java / azureus core dumps if cputype is set in make.conf
Hello everyone, I recently rebuilt my FreeBSD 5.3 system. I updated the source with cvsup to RELENG_5_3 (security branch). This time i added the CPUTYPE, CFLAGS and NOPROFILE variables to my /etc/make.conf so it would look like this: CPUTYPE= p4 CFLAGS= -O -pipe NOPROFILE= true PERL_VER=5.8.6 PERL_VERSION=5.8.6 Building and installing world and kernel went well, everything works fine. I installed Azureus (java bittorrent client). The problem is, if I scroll a scrollbar or just go to the Azureus option menu, I get a core dump of java and Azureus will give me the following messages in the error log: An unexpected exception has been detected in native code outside the VM. Unexpected Signal : 10 occurred at PC=0x34C0CB3A Function=_gtk_tree_view_queue_draw_node+0x1B5B Library=/usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.600 ... Heap at VM Abort: Heap def new generation total 576K, used 250K [0x2c47, 0x2c51, 0x2c95) eden space 512K, 47% used [0x2c47, 0x2c4acd58, 0x2c4f) from space 64K, 11% used [0x2c50, 0x2c501e08, 0x2c51) to space 64K, 0% used [0x2c4f, 0x2c4f, 0x2c50) tenured generation total 5156K, used 4372K [0x2c95, 0x2ce59000, 0x3047) the space 5156K, 84% used [0x2c95, 0x2cd95148, 0x2cd95200, 0x2ce59000) compacting perm gen total 9216K, used 9013K [0x3047, 0x30d7, 0x3447) the space 9216K, 97% used [0x3047, 0x30d3d718, 0x30d3d800, 0x30d7) Local Time = Sat Mar 26 00:34:53 2005 Elapsed Time = 12 # # The exception above was detected in native code outside the VM # # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.4.2-p7-cyb_25_mar_2005_18_25 mixed mode) # After a lot of testing I was able to narrow the problem down to gtk-2.6.4_1 which i had to built with this /etc/make.conf #CPUTYPE= p4 CFLAGS= -O -pipe NOPROFILE= true PERL_VER=5.8.6 PERL_VERSION=5.8.6 Now my question, is it usefull to set the CPUTYPE in make.conf to activate prozessor-specific optimizations at all? taken from the example make.conf: # The CPUTYPE variable controls which processor should be targeted for # generated code. This controls processor-specific optimizations in # certain code (currently only OpenSSL) as well as modifying the value # of CFLAGS to contain the appropriate optimization directive to gcc. Has someone else had problems with Azureus/gtk2 if the CPUTYPE was set? Is there a known bug in Azureus/gtk2 preventing the use of CPUTYPE? Regards, Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0xD25FCC81 | http://cyb.websimplex.de/pubkey.asc Fingerprint: D182 6F22 7EEC DD4C 0F6E 564C 691B 0372 D25F CC81 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: mot de passe root
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This discussion seems very strange, since I don't really understand how anyone could effectively use FreeBSD (or any flavor of UNIX) without understanding English in the first place. I've never heard of any localized versions of UNIX (?). There's an amazing amount of material that has been localized into quite a number of languages. I believe Gnome and KDE are pretty much fully localized to most languages you can think of these days. I tend to run a Norwegian (Nynorsk or Bokmål, whatever I fancy that day) KDE desktop myself. An ordinary user would get along fine on a typical desktop system in their local language, IME. On the other hand your friendly sysadmin would likely be at a great disadvantage with little or no English. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ First, we kill all the spammers The Usenet Bard, Twice-forwarded tales ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kaudiocreator
Am Freitag, 25. März 2005 19:14 schrieb dick hoogendijk: kaudiocreator is a nice program for extracting audio tracks and converting them w/ almost any encoder. Only pittfall is hat kde is needed. You can read audio tracks directly from ata CD-Drives with /dev/acd0t1 t2 t3 etc. You just have to set the block size of 2352. (for examples see http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html) The you can make ogg out of the resulting wave files for example... -Harry Is there another program that comes close to the abilities and easy of use of this kaudicreator? -(My WM is fvmw)- I like fast running progs. pgpPscub87F1S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Dual Boot -- FreeBSD 5.4 and Fedora Core 3
Greetings all: I tried to install Fedora Core 3 to my FreeBSD box and make it dual boot, but with no luck. The FreeBSD 5.4-Pre is installed in the first drive, and work like a champ. I intended to install Fedora Core 3 on my second disk, but anaconda crashed at the last moment. The first few lines of the dumped trace look as follows. Also, should I enable GRUB when installing Fedora, or should I enable it on hdb1? I am afraid that it ends up failing to boot my FreeBSD partition. Any suggestion and help on this will be most appreciated. thanks and cheers, --ken --- Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1074, in handleRenderCal lback self.currentWindow.renderCallback() File /usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/iw/progress_gui.py, line 242, in rend erCallback self.intf.icw.nextClicked() File /usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 789, in nextClicked self.dispatch.gotoNext() File /usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 171, in gotoNext self.moveStep() File /usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 239, in moveStep rc = apply(func, self.bindArgs(args)) File /usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py, line 1155, in doPostInst all stdout = devnull) File /usr/lib/anaconda/iutil.py, line 53, in execWithRedirect raise RuntimeError, command + can not be run RuntimeError: /usr/sbin/kudzu can not be run - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems starting X windows :S
# faisal gillani: Fatal server error: xf86EnableIO: Failed to open /dev/io for extended I/O what can be wrong ? /dev/io has been made a module a while back. Either load mem/io with kldload or rebuild your kernel with an additional device io device mem in your kernel config. HTH, Mario ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gbde - destroying master key without lockfile
Hello, I would like to use gbde to encrypt some disks. Using an external lockfile things work pretty much as documented (except for some options that aren't supported by the tool, but which are listed in the manpage). However, for this particular situation, I do not want to use an external lockfile. The manpage seems to imply that without -L/-l, the first sector is used as a lockfile. Indeed, I can init, attach and detach devices without an external lockfile. However, when I attempt to destroy the master key: # gbde destroy /dev/label/storage304 Enter passphrase: Opened with key 0 gbde: No -L option and no space in sector 0 for lockfile Trying to use -L for this particular operation fails: gbde: illegal option -- L Usage error: Invalid option And trying to specify -n -1 as the manpage says also fails: gbde: illegal option -- n Usage error: Invalid option So the question is - how do I destroy the master key (other than dd if=/dev/zero of=...) when not using an external lockfile? (The reason I do not want to use an external lockfile is simply that I do not see a need for it in my situation and I would feel much more comfortable if the gbde volume was self-contained; no need to backup anything else or keep it in synch.) -- / Peter Schuller, InfiDyne Technologies HB PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.scode.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gbde - destroying master key without lockfile
Peter Schuller wrote on Saturday 26 March 2005 12:09 in the group list.freebsd.questions: Hello, I would like to use gbde to encrypt some disks. Using an external lockfile things work pretty much as documented (except for some options that aren't supported by the tool, but which are listed in the manpage). However, for this particular situation, I do not want to use an external lockfile. The manpage seems to imply that without -L/-l, the first sector is used as a lockfile. Indeed, I can init, attach and detach devices without an external lockfile. However, when I attempt to destroy the master key: # gbde destroy /dev/label/storage304 Enter passphrase: Opened with key 0 gbde: No -L option and no space in sector 0 for lockfile Trying to use -L for this particular operation fails: gbde: illegal option -- L Usage error: Invalid option And trying to specify -n -1 as the manpage says also fails: gbde: illegal option -- n Usage error: Invalid option So the question is - how do I destroy the master key (other than dd if=/dev/zero of=...) when not using an external lockfile? (The reason I do not want to use an external lockfile is simply that I do not see a need for it in my situation and I would feel much more comfortable if the gbde volume was self-contained; no need to backup anything else or keep it in synch.) Instead of destroy I use nuke. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote:
If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude,
troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our
level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we
must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em
with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no
idea what we're saying.
Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far.
Over and out...
I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I
chose to switch to another OS.
Over and out too.
--
Xavier Maillard
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gnochm
Hi people I recently installed gnochm via ports(building) and the compilation and installation was sucefully but alway a but :-) i get this error when i try to run it. %gnochm You do not have all of the required Python modules to run gnochm. Check the gnochm README file for tips on how to fix this. What follows is the error description highlighting the problematic module. No module named gtkhtml2 I install the port via portupgrade(-R) and the dependency must be solved in the README file of the source i don't find nothing...How can i solve this problem ? i think that the proble is with python modules what should i do? Thanks OSMANY ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ath driver usage for Netgear WG511T
I am trying to get a Netgear WG511T working with FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. I noticed that this card was listed in my HARDWARE.TXT list, so I assumed it would be supported. Upon trying this card, having it fail, and doing some digging in pccard.conf, I see that it is not. I attempted to use ndis/if_ndis with the driver supplied with the card and it throws several errors as well. I do not have access to the error logs at the moment as I am currently compiling an upgrade to 5.4-PRERELEASE to attempt to correct the problem. Assuming this upgrade doesn't work, how should I address this problem and assist with its resolution? Specifically, I am interested in using this card in a Toshiba Tecra 550CDT with the FlyingJ Travel Center's Wi-Fi system (http://www.tonservices.com/hisp_home.htm) as I travel a lot and would like to have a good, stable connection to use to login to my home servers. Rodger Castle ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
Peter N. M. Hansteen writes: There's an amazing amount of material that has been localized into quite a number of languages. I believe Gnome and KDE are pretty much fully localized to most languages you can think of these days. I was thinking of UNIX itself, not X servers or related products. I doubt that even Apple has bothered to localize any of the UNIX software for OS X. Unless one treats UNIX as a black-box desktop server (with a localized GUI), it's going to be hard to work with the system without knowing English. And if it's ever necessary to go outside the desktop GUI environment, there again, English is required. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .cshrc
I dont have colors :( How do you turn off the tab beep ? # $FreeBSD: src/etc/root/dot.cshrc,v 1.29 2004/04/01 19:28:00 krion Exp $ # # .cshrc - csh resource script, read at beginning of execution by each shell # # see also csh(1), environ(7). # alias h history 25 alias j jobs -l alias lals -a alias lfls -FA alias llls -lA # A righteous umask umask 22 set path = (/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/X11R6/bin $HOME/bin) setenv EDITOR joe setenv PAGER more setenv BLOCKSIZE K setenv CLICOLOR_FORCE 1 if ($?prompt) then # An interactive shell -- set some stuff up # set prompt = `/bin/hostname -s`# set prompt = [EMAIL PROTECTED]:%b%~%# set autolist = ambigous set filec set history = 100 set savehist = 100 set mail = (/var/mail/$USER) if ( $?tcsh ) then bindkey ^W backward-delete-word bindkey -k up history-search-backward bindkey -k down history-search-forward endif endif ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ath driver usage for Netgear WG511T
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 07:30:41AM -0500, Rodger Castle wrote: I am trying to get a Netgear WG511T working with FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. I use the same card in a Dell C600 laptop on 5.3-STABLE with no problems. I noticed that this card was listed in my HARDWARE.TXT list, so I assumed it would be supported. Upon trying this card, having it fail, and doing some digging in pccard.conf, I see that it is not. I attempted to use ndis/if_ndis with the driver supplied with the card and it throws several errors as well. I do not have access to the error logs at the moment as I am currently compiling an upgrade to 5.4-PRERELEASE to attempt to correct the problem. load if_ath.ko at boot -- Regards, Doug ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hyper threading.
I have 3,4ghz ht processor and freebsd shows up only one processors. I suppose it should show two in ht models? so, GENERIC kernel doesn't support it? but should I add to kernel config to enable it? by reading config examples I think this should be enough: options SMP but is it all I need? -- kpn @ IRCnet ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: File corruption on uploaded files occuring (even under light load)
Sorry, should have added that it's in FreeBSD 5.3. Does anyone know if there is any way to stress-test the PCI bus (preferably without external cards)? Regards, Stefan Haglund I have an IWILL KK266-R (VIA KT133A/686B) board with an 1.4GHz processor running as a FreeBSD file web server. The NIC is an Intel EtherExpress PRO/100 (I think it's called, fxp anyway). This board has an AMI RAID controller (CMD 649) onboard, which I use for all four drives (although not in RAID). My problem: Files uploaded to this server are sometimes corrupted. It doesn't have to be under high load, like directly uploading from a computer. It can also occur when I'm downloading from the internet on a computer, and save the file to the server. Another thing that is wierd, is that when the computer is fresh from a boot, there is always a few netstat Oerrs (5-30 I've seen this far) errors occuring when downloading or uploading, and never again. I have run mprime stresstest for a good while, with no complaints. I have also tried another NIC, and also moving the NIC to other PCI slots. I've tried with kernels without APIC, tried disabling ACPI, and I've also disabled throttling. My friend is running a similar setup on his server, although a KT266A chipset, and no RAID controller (southbridge IDE), and it is solid as a rock. Anyone have any ideas what might be causing these corruptions? Chipset? NIC? RAID controller? Regards, Stefan Haglund ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
On Mar 22 at 17:05, Anthony Atkielski said: Bart Silverstrim writes: -- And when people are saying that it's more likely X but you insist it's Y and you don't want to take the time to do Y because there are others who should be more competent with it, what are you going to do to compensate them if they drop everything to do Y and find out it wasn't, in fact, their fault? Anything? Who's going to pay me for the time I lose indulging them? How much time have you lost _just_ within the context of this thread alone? Everyone has attempted - with great diligence and considerable patience - to *help* you. You said earlier (I seem to recall) that this isn't a production machine, thus presumably it's a personal project. With hardware of this vintage it's to be hoped so anyway. My point is you've alreay lost timeon a personal project, with no certainty of an outcome under *any* OS. Are you so wired in that all the hours in your day are billable to some_project_or_other? If so, use the 80/20 rule and tank this one. It's either that or if you *are* billing for your time, you don't understand consultant methodology...to say the least of it, because you would be agressively chasing a solution *OR* seeing the law of diminshing returns, abandon the project and go do something more profitable and with an outcome of some kindinstead of cursing out and maligning list members, the OS etc. etc. I shouldn't have risen to this, but it's already gone from the realms of the sublime to the utterly absurd. You've argued _yourself_ into a loop from which there seems to be no egress. You're the one frothing endlessly about something that you could have gone a long way to troubleshooting or even gasp solving! You apparently elected not to for reasons best known to yourself. Thus - I think - it's time to put this down and give everyone a much deserved rest from the eternally utterly futile series of exchanges. sigh Regards, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven Sat Mar 26 13:08:00 CET 2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sh interactive?
Hello, How can I use 'sh' as an interactive shell? My configuration files are the defaults. The file '.profile' has the following: [...] # set ENV to a file invoked each time sh is started for interactive use. ENV=$HOME/.shrc; export ENV [...] The file '.shrc' has the following: [...] # Enable the builtin emacs(1) command line editor in sh(1), # e.g. C-a - beginning-of-line. set -o emacs [...] However it does not read '.shrc' even if I call it with '-i'. Will this work if I use 'sh' as my default shell (I use 'tcsh')? Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pcm device numbering
Hello, I have two sound cards: SiS 7012 (C-Media Electronics CMI9739 AC97 Codec) - 'snd_ich' Genius Sound Maker Value 5.1 (CMedia CMI8738) - 'snd_cmi' The first is integrated in the motherboard, and it is detected first and used as the default output device (pcm0). The second it detected after the first, so it is used as the second output device (pcm1). I want to use my second sound card as the default output device. I tried using the loader.conf variables *_after and *_before, but they always load them before booting the kernel, so the integrated card is detected first and assigned to the default output device (pcm0). So I have the drivers as modules, and load the driver for the second card when booting the kernel, and then from the command line I load the driver for the integrated card. Is there a (clean, if possible) way to do this (with 'device.hints', or rc scripts)? Here is the relevant output of 'pciconf -vl' (after loading the drivers in the desired order): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:2:7: class=0x040100 card=0x70121849 chip=0x70121039 rev=0xa0 hdr=0x00vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS)' device = 'SiS7012 PCI Audio Accelerator' class= multimedia subclass = audio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:9:0: class=0x040100 card=0x03f6 chip=0x03f6 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00vendor = 'C-Media Electronics Inc.' device = 'CMI8738/PCI C3DX PCI Audio Chip#20013;#22269;' class= multimedia subclass = audio Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ath driver usage for Netgear WG511T
Thanks for the tip, Doug. I'm a bit sketchy on using and changing drivers as laptops seem to be the only time where non-standard drivers are required for me (by non-standard, I mean those not enabled by a default install). I just finished the recompile of 5.4-PRERELEASE and loaded the if_ath driver and no errors seem to be thrown from dmesg or syslog. I'll run out to the local truck stop tonight, see if it works, and report back. It seems FlyingJ has some specific requirements for their Wi-Fi system but it could be that this is my first time experimenting with wi-fi. At any rate, I'll put a full report of my findings tonight up here. Thanks again for the help. Rodger On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:37:10 -0600 Doug Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 07:30:41AM -0500, Rodger Castle wrote: I am trying to get a Netgear WG511T working with FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. I use the same card in a Dell C600 laptop on 5.3-STABLE with no problems. I noticed that this card was listed in my HARDWARE.TXT list, so I assumed it would be supported. Upon trying this card, having it fail, and doing some digging in pccard.conf, I see that it is not. I attempted to use ndis/if_ndis with the driver supplied with the card and it throws several errors as well. I do not have access to the error logs at the moment as I am currently compiling an upgrade to 5.4-PRERELEASE to attempt to correct the problem. load if_ath.ko at boot -- Regards, Doug ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 01:52:16PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: I doubt that even Apple has bothered to localize any of the UNIX software for OS X. Unless one treats UNIX as a black-box desktop server (with a localized GUI), it's going to be hard to work with the system without knowing English. And if it's ever necessary to go outside the desktop GUI environment, there again, English is required. I've seen a fully localized german version of Unix called SINIX (Siemens' Unix?). Well, not *fully* localized, since the commands were still the usual bunch of 'ls' 'cp', 'mv' etc... (is that really English? ;-)), but everthing else, including error messages and man pages were in german. That was really weird looking, yet cute. I don't know if SINIX is still alive or defunct by now. Oh yeah, I also remember a french version of PASCAL (with french keywords!) from the early eighties. That was even weirder than a localized Unix! Anthony -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .cshrc
Is .profile read by every shell ? No. .profile is read up by the sh shell and its derivatives. When the csh shell and its derivatives such as tcsh starts, its reads up .cshrc.The effect is somewhat the same, but it uses the syntax is for csh. The syntax for .profile is for sh. The csh shell of more likely not, tcsh, is more friendly for interacticve use than the sh shell.Those who like the sh type syntax nowdays use the derivative bash as their shell. It is also more interactive friendly than plain sh. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Booting from the second disk
Hello, I have two IDE disks with the following Operating Systems: IDE-0 -- ad0s1 -- Windows XP Pro ad0s5 (extended) -- Windows 2000 Pro IDE-1 -- ad2s1 -- Debian Sarge (managing LILO at IDE-1) ad2s4 -- FreeBSD 5.3 I boot from the second disk. I have LILO in the MBR because it is capable of swapping disks when loading the operating system (Windows does not boot because it thinks the disk which the computer boots is the first disk, and boot.ini refers to the other disk). So I have to put the following: other=/dev/hda1 label=Windows map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 map-drive=0x81 to=0x80 Or: other=/dev/hda1 label=Windows boot-as=0x81 Can I do something similar with other Boot Managers (FreeBSD's Boot Manager, GRUB, etc.) Which is the better recommended multi-boot layout (with two hard disks)? Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .cshrc
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 10:12:26AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: The csh shell of more likely not, tcsh, is more friendly for interacticve use than the sh shell.Those who like the sh type syntax nowdays use the derivative bash as their shell. It is also more interactive friendly than plain sh. BTW, why doesn't sh include readline(3) or some other kind of command line editing capability? The only reason for using bash over sh is for many people the lack of a decent command line editor function in sh. Footprint perhaps? jerry Cheers, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gcc error
Hi, I'm getting desperate. First I couldn't compile just a gnome package. OK, it could be missed.. But now I want to compile the new KDE-3.4 and it does not work :-( Compiling kdelibs3 I get (again) this annoying error. Googling learned it shows up quit often, but I found no solution. So, what is this and waht can be done about it? I guess it's a gcc compiler error. I deleted all gcc packages that were installed (back to the systems's version - FreeBSD-4.11R). It did not help. The error I get: c++: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations The same error happens sometimes with 'cc' After this error compiling stops. No kdelibs3 for me and so, no kde-3.4 Does anybody has any idea about what happens here? I did not change any options in /etc/make.conf. =-=-=make.conf=-=-= CPUTYPE=i686 CFLAGS= -O -pipe COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe NOPROFILE= true NO_BIND= true NO_SENDMAIL= true ISPELL_NL= yes ASPELL_NL= yes WITH_BSD_JDK= true X_WINDOW_SYSTEM=xfree86-4 # added by use.perl 2005-02-11 19:04:57 PERL_VER=5.8.6 PERL_VERSION=5.8.6 NOPERL=yes =-=-=end=-=-= -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 4.11 ++ FreeBSD 5.3 + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .cshrc
On 2005-03-26 16:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 10:12:26AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: The csh shell of more likely not, tcsh, is more friendly for interacticve use than the sh shell. Those who like the sh type syntax nowdays use the derivative bash as their shell. It is also more interactive friendly than plain sh. BTW, why doesn't sh include readline(3) or some other kind of command line editing capability? The only reason for using bash over sh is for many people the lack of a decent command line editor function in sh. Footprint perhaps? It does. You can enable either emacs-style line editing with: $ set -o emacs or vi-style command line editing with: $ set -o vi Note though that tab completion is not supported for commands or filenames, AFAIK, so you may still want to stick with bash. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Samba problems
Hello, I am using FreeBSD 5.3 with Samba 3.0.7,1. I can read all files from a Windows 2000 Pro. But when I try to access a mount point that is an NTFS filesystem, I have no read permission (files and directories appear as zero length files) until I access them from the server machine (like doing an 'ls'). My configuration file is as follows: = BEGIN = # Samba config file created using SWAT # from 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) # Date: 2004/12/11 19:24:02 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = VARNET server string = FreeBSD 5.3 security = SHARE log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 dns proxy = No [mnt] comment = Mounted Filesystems path = /mnt guest ok = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [ale] comment = Ale's Home DIrectory path = /home/ale guest ok = Yes = END === Note: I have subdirectories under '/mnt' like 'w2k', 'wxp', 'cam', and 'tmp'. What am I doing wrong? Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: ath driver usage for Netgear WG511T
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 09:56:31AM -0500, Rodger Castle wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:37:10 -0600 Doug Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 07:30:41AM -0500, Rodger Castle wrote: I am trying to get a Netgear WG511T working with FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. I use the same card in a Dell C600 laptop on 5.3-STABLE with no problems. ..snip... load if_ath.ko at boot Thanks for the tip, Doug. No problem, BTW, please don't top post on the list. I'm a bit sketchy on using and changing drivers as laptops seem to be the only time where non-standard drivers are required for me (by non-standard, I mean those not enabled by a default install). It's really just a matter of enabling support for the particular hardware in your computer. It seems FlyingJ has some specific requirements for their Wi-Fi system but it could be that this is my first time experimenting with wi-fi. At any rate, I'll put a full report of my findings tonight up here. They may be requiring an SSID or some type of encryption. In my personal travel experience I've never come across a wireless provider that required either. For me, simply enabling the wireless NIC at boot time and dhclient ath0 is all I've ever had to do. YMMV. -- Regards, Doug ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba problems
First of all, make sure those mounts are accessible for normal users, if you haven't. It's under the options for the mount in /etc/fstab, I think. You can always do a 'man fstab' if unsure. Does the username/password (check out 'smbpasswd') you are using to connect to samba exist in the samba user database? If not, samba won't know who you are, and will use the default guest user to access files (usually very restricted). That might be why you can access the mounts when you log in to the server, but not through server. If you go with the first, ALL users will have access. If you want to restrict it to, say, a certain group, you have to go with the second solution I think (and add users in the samba user database). Hope I got the issue correctly, else I dunno :-). Regards, Stefan Haglund Hello, I am using FreeBSD 5.3 with Samba 3.0.7,1. I can read all files from a Windows 2000 Pro. But when I try to access a mount point that is an NTFS filesystem, I have no read permission (files and directories appear as zero length files) until I access them from the server machine (like doing an 'ls'). My configuration file is as follows: = BEGIN = # Samba config file created using SWAT # from 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) # Date: 2004/12/11 19:24:02 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = VARNET server string = FreeBSD 5.3 security = SHARE log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 dns proxy = No [mnt] comment = Mounted Filesystems path = /mnt guest ok = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [ale] comment = Ale's Home DIrectory path = /home/ale guest ok = Yes = END === Note: I have subdirectories under '/mnt' like 'w2k', 'wxp', 'cam', and 'tmp'. What am I doing wrong? Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heaviliy weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid techical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I chose to switch to another OS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heaviliy weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid techical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I chose to switch to another OS. Users that Insult people that offer help (good or bad) says much about that user. The tactic at hand (at least with the user that top posts) is to do nothing more then what it is hoping to do - incite anger *Sigh* Oh well - most of us are certainly above that. -- Best regards, Chris Nothing is ever done for the right reasons. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems starting X windows :S
Hi, most likely you are running at a security level thats too high check your setting in /etc/rc.conf Start it at -1 or disable it as a start. If thats not it you might not have the device in your kernel... add device io and recompile. END -- Philip M. Gollucci Consultant E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://p6m7g8.net/Resume/resume.shtml Phone : 301.254.5198 $Id: .signature,v 1.7 2004/09/05 23:46:37 philip Exp $ faisal gillani wrote: i wanted to test freebsd as a desktop but am stuck in the first step , making frebsd graphical . i get this error while startingx Fatal server error: xf86EnableIO: Failed to open /dev/io for extended I/O what can be wrong ? *º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨¨*¤ Allah-hu-Akber*º¤., ¸¸,.¤º*¨¨*¤ God is the Greatest __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba problems
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:59:11 +0100 Stefan Haglund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, make sure those mounts are accessible for normal users, if you haven't. It's under the options for the mount in /etc/fstab, I think. You can always do a 'man fstab' if unsure. Does the username/password (check out 'smbpasswd') you are using to connect to samba exist in the samba user database? If not, samba won't know who you are, and will use the default guest user to access files (usually very restricted). That might be why you can access the mounts when you log in to the server, but not through server. If you go with the first, ALL users will have access. If you want to restrict it to, say, a certain group, you have to go with the second solution I think (and add users in the samba user database). Hope I got the issue correctly, else I dunno :-). Regards, Stefan Haglund Hello, Thank you for your reply. I am using the security level SHARE with guest enabled (I have only two machines on my network). The mounts are accessible by normal users (like ale), the permissions in '/mnt/w2k/' are 'rwxr-xr-x', the owner is root and group wheel. I would like to add that I also have another share that is a FAT32 partition (WinXP) and I can browse it from the other machine (like everything else). I tried to map the guest account to the user ale that I use (and I can access '/mnt/w2k'), but nothing happened. This only happens in a NTFS mount point. The files and directories show as truncated, and I can not see (determine size, copy, determine if it is a file or directory, etc.) them until I do an operation over them with any normal user in the server, then I can see the files/dirs affected by the operation I did (ls, etc.). Before I only see the entries (names) without attributes (permissions, directory flag, etc.). Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba problems
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:54:37 -0300 Alejandro Pulver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:59:11 +0100 Stefan Haglund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, make sure those mounts are accessible for normal users, if you haven't. It's under the options for the mount in /etc/fstab, I think. You can always do a 'man fstab' if unsure. Does the username/password (check out 'smbpasswd') you are using to connect to samba exist in the samba user database? If not, samba won't know who you are, and will use the default guest user to access files (usually very restricted). That might be why you can access the mounts when you log in to the server, but not through server. If you go with the first, ALL users will have access. If you want to restrict it to, say, a certain group, you have to go with the second solution I think (and add users in the samba user database). Hope I got the issue correctly, else I dunno :-). Regards, Stefan Haglund Hello, Thank you for your reply. I am using the security level SHARE with guest enabled (I have only two machines on my network). The mounts are accessible by normal users (like ale), the permissions in '/mnt/w2k/' are 'rwxr-xr-x', the owner is root and group wheel. I would like to add that I also have another share that is a FAT32 partition (WinXP) and I can browse it from the other machine (like everything else). I tried to map the guest account to the user ale that I use (and I can access '/mnt/w2k'), but nothing happened. This only happens in a NTFS mount point. The files and directories show as truncated, and I can not see (determine size, copy, determine if it is a file or directory, etc.) them until I do an operation over them with any normal user in the server, then I can see the files/dirs affected by the operation I did (ls, etc.). Before I only see the entries (names) without attributes (permissions, directory flag, etc.). Thanks and Best Regards, Ale I even tried mapping the guest account to root but it still does not work. Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
firefox 1.0.2 build failure
Hello, I tried to portupgrade firefox from 1.0.1 to 1.0.2, but it fails with the following messages: nsFontMetricsPS.cpp: In member function `nsresult nsFontPSFreeType::Init(nsITrue TypeFontCatalogEntry*, nsPSFontGenerator*)': nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1144: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no member named 'face_id' nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1145: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no member named 'width' nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1146: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no member named 'height' nsFontMetricsPS.cpp: In member function `FT_FaceRec_* nsFontPSFreeType::getFTFac e()': nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1231: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no member named 'face_id' nsFontMetricsPS.cpp: In member function `virtual void nsFT2Type8Generator::Gener atePSFont(FILE*)': nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1625: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no member named 'face_id' nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1627: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no member named 'width' nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1628: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no member named 'height' nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1633: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no member named 'face_id' gmake[4]: *** [nsFontMetricsPS.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src/ps' gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src' gmake[2]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx' gmake[1]: *** [tier_9] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla' gmake: *** [default] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Did anyone else ran into this problem? Thanks, Marco -- Government spending? I don't know what it's all about. I don't know any more about this thing than an economist does, and, God knows, he doesn't know much. -- Will Rogers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Updated on SATA drive problem
Today I ran offline diagnostics against the SATA drive that I suspected of causing DMA errors and two system crashes. These offline diagnostics confirmed a problem with the drive and eliminated FreeBSD as a source of the problem. I replaced the drive and I'm watching to see if any of the mystery errors in FreeBSD return (at this point I don't expect them to, since it seems to have been a defective drive). It took a tremendously long time for me to figure out how to fix up the new drive for use. I'm still not sure what I finally did that apparently was in the right order and formatted everything correctly. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updated on SATA drive problem
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Today I ran offline diagnostics against the SATA drive that I suspected of causing DMA errors and two system crashes. These offline diagnostics confirmed a problem with the drive and eliminated FreeBSD as a source of the problem. I replaced the drive and I'm watching to see if any of the mystery errors in FreeBSD return (at this point I don't expect them to, since it seems to have been a defective drive). It took a tremendously long time for me to figure out how to fix up the new drive for use. I'm still not sure what I finally did that apparently was in the right order and formatted everything correctly. That's good news - I'm glad to hear that you are progressing with your issues. Once you have these items under control - you ought to have a more enjoyable experiance with whatever OS you wish to use. -- Best regards, Chris Keep emotionally active, cater to your favorite neurosis. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
--- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I chose to switch to another OS. Users that Insult people that offer help (good or bad) says much about that user. The tactic at hand (at least with the user that top posts) is to do nothing more then what it is hoping to do - incite anger *Sigh* Oh well - most of us are certainly above that. I don't agree. The spread of disinformation is like allowing a cancer to go untreated. There are a lot of people recommending a very poorly implemented OS because of the propaganda disseminated here. People's jobs and businesses are at stake. People waste a tremendous amount of time (me included) based on the ridiculously inaccurate comments made by people on this list. And like with alchoholism, the first step is admitting that you have a problem. If you're going to keep RA-RAing this effort, then you are part of the problem. You can make a person Angry by calling him a loser. But if the shoe fits, it may very well need to be said to get him off his butt. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I chose to switch to another OS. Users that Insult people that offer help (good or bad) says much about that user. The tactic at hand (at least with the user that top posts) is to do nothing more then what it is hoping to do - incite anger *Sigh* Oh well - most of us are certainly above that. I don't agree. The spread of disinformation is like allowing a cancer to go untreated. There are a lot of people recommending a very poorly implemented OS because of the propaganda disseminated here. People's jobs and businesses are at stake. People waste a tremendous amount of time (me included) based on the ridiculously inaccurate comments made by people on this list. And like with alchoholism, the first step is admitting that you have a problem. If you're going to keep RA-RAing this effort, then you are part of the problem. You can make a person Angry by calling him a loser. But if the shoe fits, it may very well need to be said to get him off his butt. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. We love you. Have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris Program design philosophy: Start at the beginning and continue until the end, then stop. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 1.0.2 build failure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Beishuizen wrote: | | Hello, | | I tried to portupgrade firefox from 1.0.1 to 1.0.2, but it fails | with the following messages: | | | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp: In member function `nsresult | nsFontPSFreeType::Init(nsITrue | TypeFontCatalogEntry*, nsPSFontGenerator*)': | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1144: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no | member named 'face_id' | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1145: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no | member named 'width' | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1146: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no | member named 'height' | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp: In member function `FT_FaceRec_* | nsFontPSFreeType::getFTFac | e()': | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1231: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no | member named 'face_id' | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp: In member function `virtual void | nsFT2Type8Generator::Gener | atePSFont(FILE*)': | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1625: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no | member named 'face_id' | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1627: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no | member named 'width' | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1628: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no | member named 'height' | nsFontMetricsPS.cpp:1633: error: 'struct FTC_ImageTypeRec_' has no | member named 'face_id' | gmake[4]: *** [nsFontMetricsPS.o] Error 1 | gmake[4]: Leaving directory | `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src/ps' | gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 | gmake[3]: Leaving directory | `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src' | gmake[2]: *** [libs] Error 2 | gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx' | gmake[1]: *** [tier_9] Error 2 | gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla' | gmake: *** [default] Error 2 | *** Error code 2 | | Did anyone else ran into this problem? you need to update print/freetype2 to 2.1.9 and re-start the build. (you don't have to remove firefox WRKSRC) Michael | | Thanks, | | Marco | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCRaBIn4uqfTwEb9YRAnsPAJ4jEvCxOcSl1uiocf5cXmxp6zWdxQCbBlQM E0tcQ7DnYpdUDFswZHkmOX4= =hBdn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AWK in 4.X different from 5.X?
Are the AWK in the 4.X branch and 5.X branch different? Looking at http://www.shelldorado.com/articles/awkcompat.html#os11 it seems the AWK in the 4.X branch has strftime. I have 5.3 in my machine and AWK doesn't have that function. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AWK in 4.X different from 5.X?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-26, Francisco Reyes scribbled these curious markings: Are the AWK in the 4.X branch and 5.X branch different? Looking at http://www.shelldorado.com/articles/awkcompat.html#os11 it seems the AWK in the 4.X branch has strftime. I have 5.3 in my machine and AWK doesn't have that function. Probably because the awk on a 4.x machine is GNU awk, whereas the 5.x awk is the awk that comes straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, and so thus hasn't been extended with GNUisms. Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCRaMVk/lo7zvzJioRAnIaAJ9PoqgjruOl1n4xaWupkR8It5yEcQCggK5H Kt/c44EQ2hKao69bzpjfqa0= =E616 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, not *fully* localized, since the commands were still the usual bunch of 'ls' 'cp', 'mv' etc... (is that really English? ;-)), but everthing else, including error messages and man pages were in german. That was really weird looking, yet cute. Localizing software destabilizes it; localized versions always contain more bugs (often very hard-to-find bugs) than original versions. If I speak the language of the original authors of a software product, I always use the product in its original language. Localized versions are a constant source of trouble. Even Windows, which makes special provisions for localization, is still far more bug-prone in non-English versions, and I always try to install U.S.-English versions if I can get them. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Perttu Laine writes: I have 3,4ghz ht processor and freebsd shows up only one processors. I suppose it should show two in ht models? so, GENERIC kernel doesn't support it? but should I add to kernel config to enable it? by reading config examples I think this should be enough: options SMP Yes, that's all you need. Just add that line, rebuild and reinstall the kernel, and you're all set. Works great. Hyperthreading doesn't buy you as much as truly separate processors, but it helps you get more bang for the buck out of your single processor (depending on the type of workload you run). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updated on SATA drive problem
Chris writes: That's good news - I'm glad to hear that you are progressing with your issues. Once you have these items under control - you ought to have a more enjoyable experiance with whatever OS you wish to use. Now if I could just fine the problem FreeBSD has with my SCSI drives on my test machine. I noticed that the pages and pages of error messages I get sometimes when doing I/O to the disks are also generated even by something as simple as smartctl -a which presumably does not do any physical I/O to the platters. This would seem to rule out any hardware problems involving the media, actuators, etc. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Missing libraries when making c-client
Greetings, I am having some trouble installing imap from source. I am building a machine for my boss who *insists* that I cannot use anything from the ports collection on the machine, so I can't use the imap port. The build is failing, and it seems as though it can't find some openssl include files, judging from the errors I am getting. This is on a stock 4.11 system. When I untar the imap-2004c1 source, I read the readme doc, and I ran make bsf since it is a FreeBSD install. It will not compile, though. Here is where it is failing: Building with SSL and plaintext passwords disabled unless SSL/TLS echo mail_parameters (NIL,SET_DISABLEPLAINTEXT,(void *) 2); linkage.c cat osdepbas.c osdepckp.c osdeplog.c osdepssl.c osdep.c Building OS-dependent module If you get No such file error messages for files x509.h, ssl.h, pem.h, buffer.h, bio.h, and crypto.h, that means that OpenSSL is not installed on your system. Either install OpenSSL first or build with command: make bsf SSLTYPE=none `cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` `cat OSCFLAGS` -c osdep.c osdep.c:138: x509.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:139: ssl.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:141: pem.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:142: buffer.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:143: bio.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:144: crypto.h: No such file or directory etc etc etc... In the Makefile, under the bsf target, we see that the path to the stock openssl libraries in FreeBSD is declared: bsf bso:an $(BUILD) BUILDTYPE=$@ \ SPECIALS=GSSDIR=/usr SSLDIR=/usr SSLINCLUDE=/usr/include/openssl SSLCERTS=/etc/ssl/certs SSLKEYS=/etc/ssl/private LOCKPGM=/usr/sbin/mlock ...and an ls of /usr/include/openssl does include x509.h, ssl.h, pem.h, etc. Does anyone have any explanation for why it isn't finding those files? Any direction I can go from here? I would rather not build an additional openssl package from a source tree as I would like to just use what is on the system. It would make things cleaner (fewer moving parts) when cvsupping and building world, etc. I would prefer to use the native libraries. Thanks, - Jamie The Moon is Waning Gibbous (100% of Full) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing libraries when making c-client
I am having some trouble installing imap from source. I am building a machine for my boss who *insists* that I cannot use anything from the ports collection on the machine, so I can't use the imap port. The build is failing, and it seems as though it can't find some openssl include files, judging from the errors I am getting. This is on a stock 4.11 system. When I untar the imap-2004c1 source, I read the readme doc, and I ran make bsf since it is a FreeBSD install. It will not compile, though. Here is where it is failing: Here is something higher up in the make output that looks like it may be a clue: Building with SSL ln -s ssl_unix.c osdepssl.c echo -I/usr/local/ssl/include -I/usr/local/ssl/include/openssl -DSSL_CERT_DIRECTORY=\/usr/local/ssl/certs\ -DSSL_KEY_DIRECTORY=\/usr/local/ssl/certs\ OSCFLAGS echo ssl_onceonlyinit (); linkage.c echo -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -lssl -lcrypto LDFLAGS It seems to be setting info in the files OSCFLAGS and LDFLAGS to /usr/local/ssl, and I don't have any /usr/local/ssl directory, and I am unsure how this can be corrected properly. Building with SSL and plaintext passwords disabled unless SSL/TLS echo mail_parameters (NIL,SET_DISABLEPLAINTEXT,(void *) 2); linkage.c cat osdepbas.c osdepckp.c osdeplog.c osdepssl.c osdep.c Building OS-dependent module If you get No such file error messages for files x509.h, ssl.h, pem.h, buffer.h, bio.h, and crypto.h, that means that OpenSSL is not installed on your system. Either install OpenSSL first or build with command: make bsf SSLTYPE=none `cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` `cat OSCFLAGS` -c osdep.c osdep.c:138: x509.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:139: ssl.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:141: pem.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:142: buffer.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:143: bio.h: No such file or directory osdep.c:144: crypto.h: No such file or directory etc etc etc... In the Makefile, under the bsf target, we see that the path to the stock openssl libraries in FreeBSD is declared: bsf bso:an $(BUILD) BUILDTYPE=$@ \ SPECIALS=GSSDIR=/usr SSLDIR=/usr SSLINCLUDE=/usr/include/openssl SSLCERTS=/etc/ssl/certs SSLKEYS=/etc/ssl/private LOCKPGM=/usr/sbin/mlock ...and an ls of /usr/include/openssl does include x509.h, ssl.h, pem.h, etc. Does anyone have any explanation for why it isn't finding those files? Any direction I can go from here? I would rather not build an additional openssl package from a source tree as I would like to just use what is on the system. It would make things cleaner (fewer moving parts) when cvsupping and building world, etc. I would prefer to use the native libraries. Thanks, - Jamie The Moon is Waning Gibbous (100% of Full) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Moon is Waning Gibbous (100% of Full) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing libraries when making c-client
Jamie Ostrowski wrote: Greetings, I am having some trouble installing imap from source. I am building a machine for my boss who *insists* that I cannot use anything from the ports collection on the machine, so I can't use the imap port. Ahh - but did he tell you NOT to use packages?! -- Best regards, Chris A physician's ability is inversely proportional to his availability. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AWK in 4.X different from 5.X?
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Christopher Nehren wrote: Probably because the awk on a 4.x machine is GNU awk, whereas the 5.x awk is the awk that comes straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, and so thus hasn't been extended with GNUisms. Thanks. That makes sense. Now I just wonder how to get date in my output. :-( ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 1.0.2 build failure
On stardate Sat, 26 Mar 2005, the wise Michael Johnson entered: you need to update print/freetype2 to 2.1.9 and re-start the build. (you don't have to remove firefox WRKSRC) Michael Yes, this worked. Thanks. Marco -- I call them as I see them. If I can't see them, I make them up. -- Biff Barf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updated on SATA drive problem
In the last episode (Mar 26), Anthony Atkielski said: Chris writes: That's good news - I'm glad to hear that you are progressing with your issues. Once you have these items under control - you ought to have a more enjoyable experiance with whatever OS you wish to use. Now if I could just fine the problem FreeBSD has with my SCSI drives on my test machine. I noticed that the pages and pages of error messages I get sometimes when doing I/O to the disks are also generated even by something as simple as smartctl -a which presumably does not do any physical I/O to the platters. This would seem to rule out any hardware problems involving the media, actuators, etc. smartctl sends raw SCSI requests to the disk, and I think a recent change in either smartmontools or the scsi code is ending up with the wrong timeout value, so the request times out immediately. This happens to me when I launch smartd on all my machines, but it's intermittent and doesn't seem to affect anything (I get periodic temerature notifications after that with no timeout errors). See PR misc/73833 . -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
This is the kind of disinformation I have been referring to You'll get much better performance with 1 processor in UP mode. I suggest you do some testing. -Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:28:11 +0100 Subject: Re: hyper threading. Perttu Laine writes: I have 3,4ghz ht processor and freebsd shows up only one processors. I suppose it should show two in ht models? so, GENERIC kernel doesn't support it? but should I add to kernel config to enable it? by reading config examples I think this should be enough: options SMP Yes, that's all you need. Just add that line, rebuild and reinstall the kernel, and you're all set. Works great. Hyperthreading doesn't buy you as much as truly separate processors, but it helps you get more bang for the buck out of your single processor (depending on the type of workload you run). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:26:27 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, not *fully* localized, since the commands were still the usual bunch of 'ls' 'cp', 'mv' etc... (is that really English? ;-)), but everthing else, including error messages and man pages were in german. That was really weird looking, yet cute. Localizing software destabilizes it; localized versions always contain more bugs (often very hard-to-find bugs) than original versions. If I speak the language of the original authors of a software product, I always use the product in its original language. Localized versions are a constant source of trouble. Even Windows, which makes special provisions for localization, is still far more bug-prone in non-English versions, and I always try to install U.S.-English versions if I can get them. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be honest I've never used a localized version of *NIX, though I imagine that the German version of SuSE (or whatever this weeks capitalization practice is) and the French version of Mandrake would be quite good. I also imagine there's probably also a good Canadian French version of OpenBSD. Then again, it could just be my imagination. On the other hand, I use the localized French versions of Windows XP Pro on the computer labs at school and they don't seem to have any problems -- with the exception that Japanese students always install this dumbass shareware IME program that sets the character set to SHIFT-JIS and Firefox's menus are fscked until you task manager and kill the blasted thing. There's no reason to think that string replacement would cause more bugs in the technical sense; however, a bad translation might contribute to a higher frequency of user error. Maybe I'll have to try installing French FreeBSD and seeing how well it goes :-D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba problems
Alejandro Pulver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using FreeBSD 5.3 with Samba 3.0.7,1. I can read all files from a Windows 2000 Pro. But when I try to access a mount point that is an NTFS filesystem, I have no read permission (files and directories appear as zero length files) until I access them from the server machine (like doing an 'ls'). My configuration file is as follows: = BEGIN = # Samba config file created using SWAT # from 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) # Date: 2004/12/11 19:24:02 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = VARNET server string = FreeBSD 5.3 security = SHARE log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 dns proxy = No [mnt] comment = Mounted Filesystems path = /mnt guest ok = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [ale] comment = Ale's Home DIrectory path = /home/ale guest ok = Yes = END === Note: I have subdirectories under '/mnt' like 'w2k', 'wxp', 'cam', and 'tmp'. What am I doing wrong? Who owns the subdirectories and who is your guest user? I'm using samba version 3.0.11 and can't reproduce the described behavior. My smb.conf is: [global] workgroup = W62 netbios name = TP51 server string = Samba Server auf Laptop security = user encrypt passwords = yes log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 socket options = TCP_NODELAY wins support = yes dns proxy = no [fk] comment = No place like home path = /home/fk valid users = fk public = no writable = yes printable = no [mnt] comment = Quick test path = /mnt valid users = fk public = no writable = yes printable = no [EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt $ls -l total 8 drwxr-xr-x 1 fk wheel 0 Apr 22 2009 ad0s1 drwxr-xr-x 1 fk wheel 4096 Jan 1 1980 ad0s2 drwxr-xr-x 5 fk wheel 512 Mar 25 19:14 datenspeicher drwxr-xr-x 2 fk wheel 512 Mar 26 19:03 test ad0s1 is ntfs, ad0s2 is fat32. Both can be used without any problems. I just noticed the strange dates. If I unmount ad0s1 and ad0s2, the dates make more sense. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt #ls -l total 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 fk wheel 512 Mar 26 18:58 ad0s1 drwxr-xr-x 2 fk wheel 512 Mar 26 15:03 ad0s2 drwxr-xr-x 5 fk wheel 512 Mar 25 19:14 datenspeicher drwxr-xr-x 2 fk wheel 512 Mar 26 19:03 test Interesting. I'm using FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE #2: Fri Mar 25 17:53:21 CET 2005. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba problems
Could you output the /etc/fstab? As far as I know, the major difference is that writing to NTFS isn't fully supported in Linux (last I checked). Maybe there is something Samba tries to do, that conflicts with that. Other than that I don't know, sorry. :-) Regards, Stefan Haglund On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:59:11 +0100 Stefan Haglund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, make sure those mounts are accessible for normal users, if you haven't. It's under the options for the mount in /etc/fstab, I think. You can always do a 'man fstab' if unsure. Does the username/password (check out 'smbpasswd') you are using to connect to samba exist in the samba user database? If not, samba won't know who you are, and will use the default guest user to access files (usually very restricted). That might be why you can access the mounts when you log in to the server, but not through server. If you go with the first, ALL users will have access. If you want to restrict it to, say, a certain group, you have to go with the second solution I think (and add users in the samba user database). Hope I got the issue correctly, else I dunno :-). Regards, Stefan Haglund Hello, Thank you for your reply. I am using the security level SHARE with guest enabled (I have only two machines on my network). The mounts are accessible by normal users (like ale), the permissions in '/mnt/w2k/' are 'rwxr-xr-x', the owner is root and group wheel. I would like to add that I also have another share that is a FAT32 partition (WinXP) and I can browse it from the other machine (like everything else). I tried to map the guest account to the user ale that I use (and I can access '/mnt/w2k'), but nothing happened. This only happens in a NTFS mount point. The files and directories show as truncated, and I can not see (determine size, copy, determine if it is a file or directory, etc.) them until I do an operation over them with any normal user in the server, then I can see the files/dirs affected by the operation I did (ls, etc.). Before I only see the entries (names) without attributes (permissions, directory flag, etc.). Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the kind of disinformation I have been referring to You'll get much better performance with 1 processor in UP mode. I suggest you do some testing. -Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:28:11 +0100 Subject: Re: hyper threading. Perttu Laine writes: I have 3,4ghz ht processor and freebsd shows up only one processors. I suppose it should show two in ht models? so, GENERIC kernel doesn't support it? but should I add to kernel config to enable it? by reading config examples I think this should be enough: options SMP Yes, that's all you need. Just add that line, rebuild and reinstall the kernel, and you're all set. Works great. Hyperthreading doesn't buy you as much as truly separate processors, but it helps you get more bang for the buck out of your single processor (depending on the type of workload you run). If you feel someone is in error - feel free to jump in and offer what you feel to be correct information. Sometimes sitting back and not correcting someone is far worse then someone offering information based on what they know, experience, or what have you. In this case, by NOT offering the correct information, YOU are just as much to blame for what you say is going on. For those of us that don't answer, we either don't know (as is the case wit myself) OR, they have not had a chance to read the thread. -- Best regards, Chris It is a simple task to make things complex, but a complex task to make them simple. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
I am offerring the correct information. Turning on SMP on an HT machine will kill the systems performance much more than hyperthreading will gain. I told him to test. The degradation is easily measurable. -Original Message- From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:49:53 -0600 Subject: Re: hyper threading. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the kind of disinformation I have been referring to You'll get much better performance with 1 processor in UP mode. I suggest you do some testing. -Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:28:11 +0100 Subject: Re: hyper threading. Perttu Laine writes: I have 3,4ghz ht processor and freebsd shows up only one processors. I suppose it should show two in ht models? so, GENERIC kernel doesn't support it? but should I add to kernel config to enable it? by reading config examples I think this should be enough: options SMP Yes, that's all you need. Just add that line, rebuild and reinstall the kernel, and you're all set. Works great. Hyperthreading doesn't buy you as much as truly separate processors, but it helps you get more bang for the buck out of your single processor (depending on the type of workload you run). If you feel someone is in error - feel free to jump in and offer what you feel to be correct information. Sometimes sitting back and not correcting someone is far worse then someone offering information based on what they know, experience, or what have you. In this case, by NOT offering the correct information, YOU are just as much to blame for what you say is going on. For those of us that don't answer, we either don't know (as is the case wit myself) OR, they have not had a chance to read the thread. -- Best regards, Chris It is a simple task to make things complex, but a complex task to make them simple. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba problems
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:37:51 +0100 Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro Pulver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using FreeBSD 5.3 with Samba 3.0.7,1. I can read all files from a Windows 2000 Pro. But when I try to access a mount point that is an NTFS filesystem, I have no read permission (files and directories appear as zero length files) until I access them from the server machine (like doing an 'ls'). My configuration file is as follows: = BEGIN = # Samba config file created using SWAT # from 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) # Date: 2004/12/11 19:24:02 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = VARNET server string = FreeBSD 5.3 security = SHARE log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 dns proxy = No [mnt] comment = Mounted Filesystems path = /mnt guest ok = Yes [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No [ale] comment = Ale's Home DIrectory path = /home/ale guest ok = Yes = END === Note: I have subdirectories under '/mnt' like 'w2k', 'wxp', 'cam', and'tmp'. What am I doing wrong? Who owns the subdirectories and who is your guest user? I'm using samba version 3.0.11 and can't reproduce the described behavior. My smb.conf is: [global] workgroup = W62 netbios name = TP51 server string = Samba Server auf Laptop security = user encrypt passwords = yes log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 socket options = TCP_NODELAY wins support = yes dns proxy = no [fk] comment = No place like home path = /home/fk valid users = fk public = no writable = yes printable = no [mnt] comment = Quick test path = /mnt valid users = fk public = no writable = yes printable = no [EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt $ls -l total 8 drwxr-xr-x 1 fk wheel 0 Apr 22 2009 ad0s1 drwxr-xr-x 1 fk wheel 4096 Jan 1 1980 ad0s2 drwxr-xr-x 5 fk wheel 512 Mar 25 19:14 datenspeicher drwxr-xr-x 2 fk wheel 512 Mar 26 19:03 test ad0s1 is ntfs, ad0s2 is fat32. Both can be used without any problems. I just noticed the strange dates. If I unmount ad0s1 and ad0s2, the dates make more sense. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /mnt #ls -l total 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 fk wheel 512 Mar 26 18:58 ad0s1 drwxr-xr-x 2 fk wheel 512 Mar 26 15:03 ad0s2 drwxr-xr-x 5 fk wheel 512 Mar 25 19:14 datenspeicher drwxr-xr-x 2 fk wheel 512 Mar 26 19:03 test Interesting. I'm using FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE #2: Fri Mar 25 17:53:21 CET 2005. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de Hello, Thank you for your reply. My guest user is 'nobody', but I also tried with 'ale' and 'root' (wich owns the mount point). The directory '/mnt/w2k' is owned by 'root' and the group 'wheel', the permissions are rwxr-xr-x. Y have the same strange dates. Thanks and Best Regards, Ale ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE: panic in ffs_valloc
* Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately that's a relatively common bug that no-one's been able to track down yet. It is sometimes associated to failing drives, but not always. I reinstalled my machine yesterday and it Just Works (tm), except for this warning in my dmesg: | ad0: WARNING - READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=49904459 where LBA is always the same number. Does that mean my disk has a bad block? Yours, -- Ed Schouten [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp31RiNBEgDE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A Riddle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
Colin J. Raven writes: How much time have you lost _just_ within the context of this thread alone? Not very much, although it was virtually a total waste. Everyone has attempted - with great diligence and considerable patience - to *help* you. Most have spent a lot of bandwidth on ad hominem (see your own post for an example), and virtually none on constructive suggestions. And of those who offered relatively constructive suggestions, most were pure conjecture, often influenced by some sort of bias. You said earlier (I seem to recall) that this isn't a production machine, thus presumably it's a personal project. With hardware of this vintage it's to be hoped so anyway. Yes. My point is you've alreay lost timeon a personal project, with no certainty of an outcome under *any* OS. Are you so wired in that all the hours in your day are billable to some_project_or_other? I am often pretty short of time, yes. I shouldn't have risen to this, but it's already gone from the realms of the sublime to the utterly absurd. You've argued _yourself_ into a loop from which there seems to be no egress. You're the one frothing endlessly about something that you could have gone a long way to troubleshooting or even gasp solving! You apparently elected not to for reasons best known to yourself. Thus - I think - it's time to put this down and give everyone a much deserved rest from the eternally utterly futile series of exchanges. See my comment above about ad hominem. If you're really that bothered by this thread, why do you expend so much energy on something as useless as a personal attack? Particularly at this late point, when I've hardly said anything at all about my problem on this server in several days (no time to look into it myself). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You'll get much better performance with 1 processor in UP mode. I suggest you do some testing. Where can I see the results of your own exhaustive tests? The purpose of hyperthreading is to keep all hardware on the microprocessor working. Many instructions use only certain parts of the chip, leaving other parts idle. By allowing two execution contexts to be maintained simultaneously, hyperthreading makes it possible to better utilize hardware that might otherwise sit idle. The ideal case would be two threads executing completely different instruction sequences that use very different parts of this chip. I don't have exact figures but I'd guess that in ideal situations you might get 20%-30% extra out of a single processor in this way--enough to negate the greater overhead of the SMP logic. A situation in which hyperthreading would _not_ help would be any type of parallel processing, in which multiple threads execute very similar instructions. These instructions are likely to require the same parts of the microprocessor at the same time, so it's unlikely that they will be able to execute in parallel--one will have to wait for the other (because the microprocessor has logic areas that can function independently and simultaneously, but these areas don't do the same things, so they are not redundant logic). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
Josh Ockert writes: There's no reason to think that string replacement would cause more bugs in the technical sense; however, a bad translation might contribute to a higher frequency of user error. Windows is better adapted to localization than most operating systems, because it isolates resources like strings in a way that facilitates keeping them independent of code. Nevertheless, problems arise. Strings often grow much longer when translated. Unicode poses special problems. Buffer overflows are more likely. Formatting messages with variable fields gets more complex and difficult and harder to debug. And patches and fixes take longer to get for localized versions; dumps generated in localized versions are harder to debug, since everything has moved. The list goes on and on. All of these problems are multipled a thousandfold in UNIX and most other operating systems, where almost all language information is hard-coded directly into the software. Localization makes sense for ordinary end users, but not for IT professionals. They are vastly better off working in English. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:10:30 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh Ockert writes: There's no reason to think that string replacement would cause more bugs in the technical sense; however, a bad translation might contribute to a higher frequency of user error. Windows is better adapted to localization than most operating systems, because it isolates resources like strings in a way that facilitates keeping them independent of code. Nevertheless, problems arise. Strings often grow much longer when translated. Unicode poses special problems. Buffer overflows are more likely. Formatting messages with variable fields gets more complex and difficult and harder to debug. And patches and fixes take longer to get for localized versions; dumps generated in localized versions are harder to debug, since everything has moved. The list goes on and on. All of these problems are multipled a thousandfold in UNIX and most other operating systems, where almost all language information is hard-coded directly into the software. Localization makes sense for ordinary end users, but not for IT professionals. They are vastly better off working in English. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh I agree. Actually, my partner in my duo linguistique at the Centre de Linguistique Appliquée (in Besançon) is an IT guy who wants to improve his English. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am offerring the correct information. Turning on SMP on an HT machine will kill the systems performance much more than hyperthreading will gain. Why? I've explained why hyperthreading can provide a modest gain in performance. Now explain to me why it would not. I told him to test. The degradation is easily measurable. If you can say with certainty that a degradation occurs, then you've already tested, in which case you can show your work. If you haven't tested, then you can't say anything with certainty, in which case your opinions are pure conjecture. A quick look at actual research done by various parties on the Web reveals that HT does provide the modest improvements to which I've alluded. It's not as impressive as two processors, but then again, nobody claimed it would be. It just makes better use of one processor and allows you to get more for your money from that processor. One advantage that I had not previous mentioned is that the availability of a logical processor for dispatch can improve response time in certain scenarios, even if the overall processor power doesn't increase that much. When compute-bound processes monopolize a single processor, the response time of the entire system can suffer; but if you have a second processor waiting for dispatch (even a logical HT processor), you can immediately attend to other tasks even as the compute-bound process runs, as long as it isn't launching multiple threads (which most such processes won't do). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Localizing software destabilizes it; localized versions always contain more bugs (often very hard-to-find bugs) than original versions. I fail to see how switching from one set of message strings files in a correctly written application would destabilize it. Localized versions are a constant source of trouble. Even Windows, which makes special provisions for localization, is still far more bug-prone in non-English versions, and I always try to install U.S.-English versions if I can get them. Oh, you're talking about Windows. Yes, there's been a lot of localization related trouble there. But then we're relatively safe from the secret brainfarts of Microsoft developers here. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ First, we kill all the spammers The Usenet Bard, Twice-forwarded tales ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clean install of FreeBSD, many ports wont compile
Still can't figure out how to get my FreeBSD machine to work properly. I've tried everything. Download the ISO on Wednesday, Mar 23rd, from ftp.freebsd.org. standard install, cvsup'd the ports, and tried to install /usr/ports/editors/pico, /usr/ports/shells/bash2, and a couple other ports. The output of the bad compile of pico and bash are below: http://paste.atopia.net/108 http://paste.atopia.net/109 http://paste.atopia.net/110 http://paste.atopia.net/111 I tried memtest, a hard drive test, etc. I don't understand how a clean install of freebsd 5.3 - RELEASE could be doing this. For the record, I cvsup'd to cvsup2, and I've tried that server on another already installed 5.3-RELEASE and it worked fine. Please, any suggestions would be appreciated. I've never seen anything like this before. regards, Matt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
Peter N. M. Hansteen writes: I fail to see how switching from one set of message strings files in a correctly written application would destabilize it. As I've explained, changing string lengths can be a source of trouble; string copies that worked before are suddenly overflowing buffers. Inserting variable data into messages is also difficult with localized software, as the order and format of the variables must often change, and sometimes a lot of extra code is required to accommodate this. Special characters can cause code to fail if it is not prepared to handle 8-bit data--setting the high-order bit is especially likely to make trouble. There are lots of potential problems. And that's just with software that facilitates localization, such as Windows executables. In other environments, it gets a lot worse. Oh, you're talking about Windows. Yes, there's been a lot of localization related trouble there. But then we're relatively safe from the secret brainfarts of Microsoft developers here. As I've already pointed out, localization is actually cleaner and safer in Windows programs than in most other types of software. Windows allows you to isolate strings and similar data in resource files built separately from the executable code. In many other environments, you have to either hard code all language data directly into the program, or you have to write your own code to allow broad localization. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking of UNIX itself, not X servers or related products. Take a peek in /usr/share/locale and /usr/local/share/locale next time you're at a FreeBSD or Linux system. I doubt that even Apple has bothered to localize any of the UNIX software for OS X. You haven't checked, then. Unless the company's been taken over by the beancounters again, I'd imagine localized messages are at least available for roughly the same languates available for the GUI parts. The thing is, as long as you stay away from command line options and scripting/programming language keywords (yes, I have more than 15 years' experience in the localization industry, I've seen quite a bit of such foolishness) and the software is sanely written, messages are fairly straightforward and risk-free to translate. . -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ First, we kill all the spammers The Usenet Bard, Twice-forwarded tales ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to include header files in makefiles
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 04:38:15PM +, Chuck Robey wrote: : I honestly keep on switching back and forth, between thinking that the : best make is bmake, or gmake. They both have key items that make them : uniquely better. Other than parallel build tasks (-j2) what does bmake do that is important, other than being part of the native BSD platform? Jonathon McKitrick -- My other computer is your Windows box. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mot de passe root
Peter N. M. Hansteen writes: Take a peek in /usr/share/locale and /usr/local/share/locale next time you're at a FreeBSD or Linux system. No need. I can look at the source of almost any UNIX program and see that there is no provision for localization at all, short of brute modification of the source code itself. But this is not unreasonable for a server operating system, although it's much harder to defend for software visible to potentially unsophisticated end users. However, back in the days when UNIX was written, localization was not a high priority, and when it was undertaken at all, it was done the hard way, by rewriting. You haven't checked, then. No, I have not, but I should be _extremely_ surprised if Apple has gone through all the UNIX source code and modified it to permit easy localization. That would come perilously close to a rewrite. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE: panic in ffs_valloc
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 10:16:57PM +, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 09:47:47PM +0100, Ed Schouten wrote: * Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately that's a relatively common bug that no-one's been able to track down yet. It is sometimes associated to failing drives, but not always. I reinstalled my machine yesterday and it Just Works (tm), except for this warning in my dmesg: | ad0: WARNING - READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=49904459 where LBA is always the same number. Does that mean my disk has a bad block? Yours, -- Ed Schouten [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a FWIW, but the same thing is happening with DMA WRITES on with my 5.3 CD set from Nov, '04 on a 160G Maxtor drive that I bought last July. 4.10 was fine, and my 5.2 to 5.3 upgrades went smoothly too. I used the CD set because I was configuring a dual-boot W2K/FBSD setup. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Webmin core dumps...
I recently did a portupgrade -arR of my server (freebsd 5.3) and since then webmin will not start -- it core dumps on me leaving a perl.core file in the current directory. Any ideas what could be happening here? Could it be because perl also happened to be upgraded? How can I fix this? Thanks alot in advance. Kiffin Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Missing tiff-3.6.1_1
After installing freeBSD 5.3 on my system, many packages will not install. I get an error message that says Warning: tiff-3.6.1_1 is a required package but was not found. What do I need to do? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Yes, the theory is very nice; you've done a nice job reading Intel's marketing garb. However if you don't have a specific hyperthreading-aware scheduler and particularly well-written, threaded applications, you'll lose more than you'll gain. Since FreeBSDs network stack isn't particularly well threaded, nor is the scheduler optimized for hyperthreading, you get a big mess at the kernel level. So if you have a nice application that does a lot of threaded math operations, you might think you've achieved something, But what you've missed is that the overhead to manage the better utilization of the dual-pipelines created by HT costs more than it gains. Hence, the loss of performance. The poblem is not at the application level, but at the kernel level. The SMP overhead is so substantial, and the OS is working thinking it has 2 processors, that process switching and interrupt handling slow down considerably. A machine with a 50% load UP will run 65-70% load with HT/SMP running. Like I said, its easily measurable. Thats at the kernel level (say routing or bridging performance). Now if the machine isn't a server, it may be just fine. Thats why I suggested testing. But for a network server HT is bad. Very Bad. Not only that, but FreeBSD 5.x actually has a higher capacity network-wise with 1 processor than 2, and I'm sure you can theorize why 2 processors should be faster than one. The theory only matters if you have well written code to handle it properly. FreeBSD is a long way off from that. -Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:06:38 +0100 Subject: Re: hyper threading. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You'll get much better performance with 1 processor in UP mode. I suggest you do some testing. Where can I see the results of your own exhaustive tests? The purpose of hyperthreading is to keep all hardware on the microprocessor working. Many instructions use only certain parts of the chip, leaving other parts idle. By allowing two execution contexts to be maintained simultaneously, hyperthreading makes it possible to better utilize hardware that might otherwise sit idle. The ideal case would be two threads executing completely different instruction sequences that use very different parts of this chip. I don't have exact figures but I'd guess that in ideal situations you might get 20%-30% extra out of a single processor in this way--enough to negate the greater overhead of the SMP logic. A situation in which hyperthreading would _not_ help would be any type of parallel processing, in which multiple threads execute very similar instructions. These instructions are likely to require the same parts of the microprocessor at the same time, so it's unlikely that they will be able to execute in parallel--one will have to wait for the other (because the microprocessor has logic areas that can function independently and simultaneously, but these areas don't do the same things, so they are not redundant logic). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clean install of FreeBSD, many ports wont compile
Matt Juszczak wrote: Still can't figure out how to get my FreeBSD machine to work properly. I've tried everything. Download the ISO on Wednesday, Mar 23rd, from ftp.freebsd.org. standard install, cvsup'd the ports, and tried to install /usr/ports/editors/pico, /usr/ports/shells/bash2, and a couple other ports. The output of the bad compile of pico and bash are below: http://paste.atopia.net/108 http://paste.atopia.net/109 http://paste.atopia.net/110 http://paste.atopia.net/111 I tried memtest, a hard drive test, etc. I don't understand how a clean install of freebsd 5.3 - RELEASE could be doing this. Looking at your listings, you aren't trying to do a clean install, you're trying to do a complete rebuild. If you don't have your system completely built ALREADY at this point, it's a bit like trying to buy a car by putting one together, armed with a nice screwdriver. Back up, tell us if you have a system installed. IF that's true, then stop complaining about trying to install a system, because you have that, instead begin researching (by using the FreeBSD handbook) how to recompile a kernel. If you aren't at least somewhat of a programmer, then you're going to need to get a friend who IS one to help you out ... maybe, learn how to use the FreeBSD IRC channel, it's fairly good. The way it goes is, first yo uget yourself a system installed, then you worry about getting a system recompiled. Along the way you will do a whole lot of learning. BUT stop complaining about not getting your system to work properly unless that really is your problem, cause all you're going to do is confuse and upset people who want to help you. For the record, I cvsup'd to cvsup2, and I've tried that server on another already installed 5.3-RELEASE and it worked fine. Please, any suggestions would be appreciated. I've never seen anything like this before. regards, Matt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, the theory is very nice; you've done a nice job reading Intel's marketing garb. I haven't read their marketing materials. I'm simply going by the technical descriptions I've read of the architecture. However if you don't have a specific hyperthreading-aware scheduler and particularly well-written, threaded applications, you'll lose more than you'll gain. If that were true, then it would be equally true of systems with actual multiple physical processors. In practice, multiple processors provide an obvious performance gain, and hyperthreading does, too, although it's much more modest than the gain obtained from physically independent processors. Since FreeBSDs network stack isn't particularly well threaded, nor is the scheduler optimized for hyperthreading, you get a big mess at the kernel level. Nothing needs to be specially optimized for hyperthreading. All you need is at least two threads available for dispatch, with reasonably heterogenous instruction mixes that can use different parts of the processor hardware at the same time. Real-world instruction mixes are often in this category in general-purpose operating systems. So if you have a nice application that does a lot of threaded math operations, you might think you've achieved something, Heavily math-oriented applications (or any group of applications that contains similar instruction mixes) are among the least likely to benefit from hyperthreading, because they will tend to use the same processor logic at the same time, effectively rendering hyperthreading moot. But what you've missed is that the overhead to manage the better utilization of the dual-pipelines created by HT costs more than it gains. Unless FreeBSD is very poorly written indeed, the gain from hyperthreading should still exceed the slight increase in overhead incurred by multiprocessing logic. Hence, the loss of performance. Where can I see this loss of performance documented? The poblem is not at the application level, but at the kernel level. The SMP overhead is so substantial, and the OS is working thinking it has 2 processors, that process switching and interrupt handling slow down considerably. How much is so substantial? Where can I see this documented? A machine with a 50% load UP will run 65-70% load with HT/SMP running. Like I said, its easily measurable. Then you can show me the measurements. Where are they? A 40% increase in system load just because of multiprocessing is enormous. Where did you get this figure? Thats at the kernel level (say routing or bridging performance). But the kernel is only a small fraction of overall processor utilization. Now if the machine isn't a server, it may be just fine. Thats why I suggested testing. But for a network server HT is bad. Very Bad. It doesn't matter whether the machine is a server or a desktop. What matters is the specific mix and nature of applications. Not only that, but FreeBSD 5.x actually has a higher capacity network-wise with 1 processor than 2 ... Here again, I need to see this documented. ... and I'm sure you can theorize why 2 processors should be faster than one. The theory only matters if you have well written code to handle it properly. FreeBSD is a long way off from that. Where can I see the measurements? -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clean install of FreeBSD, many ports wont compile
I think everyone is misunderstanding my issue here. I setup 5 FreeBSD servers at once, we are converting our mail server, web server, DNS server, spam gateway, and transparent proxy machine over all at once to FreeBSD (well, in steps...but...). My experience with freebsd is considered intermediate. I installed all these boxes from the ISO. The FIRST thing I did after the install was complete was a: pkg_add -r cvsup-without-gui cvsup /etc/ports-supfile (I made the supfile) cvsup /etc/ports-supfile cd /usr/ports/shells/bash2 make install cd /usr/ports/editors/pico make install I did not type anything else in between in the initial install and those commands above. The pico and bash installs failed, and only happened on this one machine. The other machines work fine. Therefore, in my opinion, either something is wrong with the hardware of the box, or something was wrong with the ISO I downloaded, because I didn't type enough commands to be able to mess anything up. Thanks for your help in advance. -Matt Chuck Robey wrote: Matt Juszczak wrote: Still can't figure out how to get my FreeBSD machine to work properly. I've tried everything. Download the ISO on Wednesday, Mar 23rd, from ftp.freebsd.org. standard install, cvsup'd the ports, and tried to install /usr/ports/editors/pico, /usr/ports/shells/bash2, and a couple other ports. The output of the bad compile of pico and bash are below: http://paste.atopia.net/108 http://paste.atopia.net/109 http://paste.atopia.net/110 http://paste.atopia.net/111 I tried memtest, a hard drive test, etc. I don't understand how a clean install of freebsd 5.3 - RELEASE could be doing this. Looking at your listings, you aren't trying to do a clean install, you're trying to do a complete rebuild. If you don't have your system completely built ALREADY at this point, it's a bit like trying to buy a car by putting one together, armed with a nice screwdriver. Back up, tell us if you have a system installed. IF that's true, then stop complaining about trying to install a system, because you have that, instead begin researching (by using the FreeBSD handbook) how to recompile a kernel. If you aren't at least somewhat of a programmer, then you're going to need to get a friend who IS one to help you out ... maybe, learn how to use the FreeBSD IRC channel, it's fairly good. The way it goes is, first yo uget yourself a system installed, then you worry about getting a system recompiled. Along the way you will do a whole lot of learning. BUT stop complaining about not getting your system to work properly unless that really is your problem, cause all you're going to do is confuse and upset people who want to help you. For the record, I cvsup'd to cvsup2, and I've tried that server on another already installed 5.3-RELEASE and it worked fine. Please, any suggestions would be appreciated. I've never seen anything like this before. regards, Matt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] !DSPAM:4245e4b9399096707511630! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing tiff-3.6.1_1
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 10:59:24AM -0500, Christopher Kearns wrote: After installing freeBSD 5.3 on my system, many packages will not install. I get an error message that says Warning: tiff-3.6.1_1 is a required package but was not found. What do I need to do? First tell us exactly what commands you are trying to run and the exact errors you receive. Kris pgpVcMaBL6jd0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gcc error
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:24:42PM +0100, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: Hi, I'm getting desperate. First I couldn't compile just a gnome package. OK, it could be missed.. But now I want to compile the new KDE-3.4 and it does not work :-( Compiling kdelibs3 I get (again) this annoying error. Googling learned it shows up quit often, but I found no solution. So, what is this and waht can be done about it? I guess it's a gcc compiler error. I deleted all gcc packages that were installed (back to the systems's version - FreeBSD-4.11R). It did not help. The error I get: c++: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations The same error happens sometimes with 'cc' Show us the full error, not a context-free excerpt. Kris pgpJBxU1Mra1j.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Missing libraries when making c-client
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 12:52:43PM -0600, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: Greetings, I am having some trouble installing imap from source. I am building a machine for my boss who *insists* that I cannot use anything from the ports collection on the machine, so I can't use the imap port. Sounds like you need to tell your boss about this problem, then. This is precisely what the ports collection is for. Kris pgpZbIPE7pyMY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE: panic in ffs_valloc
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 09:47:47PM +0100, Ed Schouten wrote: * Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately that's a relatively common bug that no-one's been able to track down yet. It is sometimes associated to failing drives, but not always. I reinstalled my machine yesterday and it Just Works (tm), except for this warning in my dmesg: | ad0: WARNING - READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=49904459 where LBA is always the same number. Does that mean my disk has a bad block? It's quite possible. Kris pgprAZl0Xgfil.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Clean install of FreeBSD, many ports wont compile
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:28:33PM -0500, Matt Juszczak wrote: Still can't figure out how to get my FreeBSD machine to work properly. I've tried everything. Download the ISO on Wednesday, Mar 23rd, from ftp.freebsd.org. standard install, cvsup'd the ports, and tried to install /usr/ports/editors/pico, /usr/ports/shells/bash2, and a couple other ports. The output of the bad compile of pico and bash are below: http://paste.atopia.net/108 http://paste.atopia.net/109 http://paste.atopia.net/110 http://paste.atopia.net/111 --- # make install === Building for bash-2.05b.007_2 cd . autoconf autoconf: not found *** Error code 127 --- This usually indicates you have clock problems - autoconf thought that the pregenerated files were out of date and tried to rebuild them. Kris pgplSNIWOvhSR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IP packets with source address of 0.0.0.0
Well, for all those who were interested... My problem was resolved by upgrading all the sites to tinc1.0.3 and fixing a routing problem i had on one of the systems. Cheers to my only replier. J ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ot: FWIW meaning? [Was: Re: FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE: panic in ffs_valloc]
Am Samstag, 26. März 2005 23:19 schrieb Gary Kline: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 10:16:57PM +, Gary Kline wrote: [...] Yours, -- Ed Schouten [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a FWIW, but the same thing is happening with DMA While I see this on questions@ - What does FWIW mean? I think it's like for your information but I have never heard the real meaning. Thanks, -Harry pgpvDZsIIBGBa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ot: FWIW meaning? [Was: Re: FreeBSD 5.4-PRERELEASE: panic in ffs_valloc]
Emanuel Strobl wrote: Am Samstag, 26. März 2005 23:19 schrieb Gary Kline: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 10:16:57PM +, Gary Kline wrote: [...] Yours, -- Ed Schouten [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a FWIW, but the same thing is happening with DMA While I see this on questions@ - What does FWIW mean? I think it's like for your information but I have never heard the real meaning. Thanks, -Harry FWIW == For What It's Worth ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rfcomm_pppd and nat - trying to share internet with palm via bluetooth
Hi, ppp newbie here. I'm trying to share my freebsd machine's internet connection with my palm via bluetooth. The freebsd machine is connected via wired ethernet to a linksys wireless access point, that is connected to my cable modem on the wan side. The linksys AP is my gateway. Bluetooth seems to be working fine. I can connect and ping the freebsd machine from my palm, but I can't get to the internet. That is, I can't ping my ISP's DNS. I thought 'nat enable yes' or 'set nat enable' would do it, but no luck. I run the following on the freebsd machine: /etc/rc.bluetooth start ubt0 sdpd rfcomm_pppd -s -C 1 -l rfcomm-server and in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf I have this: rfcomm-server: set device /dev/cuaa1 set cd off set dial set speed 115200 set timeout 0 nat enable yes set ifaddr 192.168.0.1/0 192.168.0.2/0 enable dns add default HISADDR open disable pap deny pap disable chap deny chap if I do this in ppp.conf instead: set ifaddr 10.10.0.2 10.10.0.201 255.255.255.0 where 10.10.0.2 is the wireless router(gateway), then the palm gets an ip of 10.10.0.201 just fine, and it can ping the freebsd machine (10.10.0.154) and the wireless router (10.10.0.2), but STILL can't get to the internet. Also tried setting net.inet.ip.forwarding=1. No change. Anyone have some suggestions? thanks, pete ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I shouldn't have risen to this, but it's already gone from the realms of the sublime to the utterly absurd. Colin, After going back and forth on this problem for weeks, Anthony finally posted the microcode version that his Adaptec controller is using. This microcode is NOT the generic Adaptec microcode that Adaptec normally supplies with that controller - instead, it is Adaptec-supplied, HP-modified code. In a case like this it is very likely a BSD driver issue - why, because the FreeBSD driver author could not test with every custom-modified microcode when he wrote the driver. There is no list out there of every computer company who has had a source license to the Adaptec microcode and made modifications to it. And naturally you would assume that anyone making mods to the SCSI microcode would have the brains not to break it. In this case that didn't happen. Most likely HP modified the Adaptec microcode because of bugs in the disks that they were supplying with the original Vectras. The reason he wasn't seeing problems with NT on the system was that as we all know Microsoft obtains samples of every name-brand system that is ever manufactured specifically for compatibility testing, and they probably already ran into this problem and put a workaround in their driver. I have noticed a similar problem on the same Adaptec controller in a Compaq system which is running Adaptec-supplied, Compaq-modified microcode and a Quantum disk drive. I have MANY systems running the same Adaptec controller that are using genuine Adaptec adapters which are using Adaptec microcode that is not modded by some computer company, that run perfectly fine. It is beyond comprehension why companies like Compaq and HP see fit to fuck around with the perfectly good Adaptec microcode. But the fact is that in my and in his system, they have done so. His three choices are to first: try a different SCSI disk from a different manufacturer, in the hopes that it might behave with the modified microcode. As I've explained to him I've had problems with Quantum SCSI disks in the past and I don't use them - if he reverts to his single Seagate disk he might get lucky and the problem go away - then he will know to buy a bigger Seagate if he needs more space. Second, he can go into BIOS and disable the on-motherboard SCSI controllers and use an off-the-shelf controller, like a cheap symbiosis or NCR one for example. Third, he can try to contact the FreeBSD developer who is assigned to the ahc() driver, tell that person that he has an HP Vectra that uses a aic7880 chipset that is running microcode that HP modified, and that his system is having problems, and offer that person his system for testing. He may need to ship his system to that developer or more likely put an IDE disk in it that has a running BSD system on it, attach a disk to the Adaptec controller, put it on the Internet and set it up for remote access so the developer can examine it. In my case, I'm going to try a different SCSI disk in hopes that the interaction between the Compaq-modified SCSI adapter and the disk drive is different and does not trigger whatever bug Compaq introduced into the Adaptec microcode. And if that doesen't work I'll just remove the SCSI adapter and throw it in the garbage and put in a genuine Adaptec adapter. Anthony cannot do this because he doesen't have a separate adapter, his SCSI chipset is on the motherboard. If he updated BIOS there's a slight possibility that the updated BIOS might carry a later rev. of microcode - but I am pretty sure with that Adaptec chipset that the microcode was in a ROM not in an EEPROM so it can't be updated. But Anthony's biggest obstacles to this are that a) he doesen't believe in bugs that appear as a result of interactions between microcode in disk drives and microcode in SCSI adapters, he seems to feel that everyone in the business exactly perfectly follows the SCSI standard when they manufacture disks and controllers. This I find strange because there have been many times disk manufacturers have posted corrected firmware for their disk drives - if nobody ever made mistakes in implementations, no one would ever post microcode updates. But for some reason Anthony does not believe in this, or if he does he is convinced that HIS disks have perfect SCSI implementations. and b) Anthony is convinced that his Vectra has an Adaptec chipset and microcode that runs that chipset that is pefectly good and identically compliant to every other Adaptec chipset, and that the problems he's having are not as a result in his hardware not being compliant with every other Adaptec adapter card, but are the result of some gross in the Adaptec driver. This despite that most people running Adaptec controllers with aic7880 chipsets in them under FreeBSD do NOT have problems. With that sort of attitude if he were to approach the author of the ahc() driver he would be told to stick his head up his
RE: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin J. Raven writes: How much time have you lost _just_ within the context of this thread alone? Not very much, although it was virtually a total waste. Actually it was a waste to you because you don't want to try anything, but it wasn't a waste to others on the list. Anyone wanting to run FreeBSD on an old Vectra they have around if they search the list archives they are going to come across this thread, and be educated. Most have spent a lot of bandwidth on ad hominem (see your own post for an example), and virtually none on constructive suggestions. And of those who offered relatively constructive suggestions, most were pure conjecture, often influenced by some sort of bias. When trying to troubleshoot a problem you make a conjecture as to what the problem might be then you test for it. So of course, any constructive suggestion is going to be conjecture. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 11:45:21PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Where can I see the measurements? Here are some measurements. A few weeks ago I ran Unixbench 4.1.0 (/usr/ports/benchmarks/unixbench) on a P4 2.8GHz with and without hyperthreading enabled. I note a slight difference in the 10 minute load average in favour of the uniprocessor run (0.00 vs 0.10 in the hyperthreading run), though I doubt this alone could account for a 15% difference in total score. Uniprocessor run: - BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 4.1.0) System -- bigbird.logicsquad.net Start Benchmark Run: Sun Feb 20 08:23:08 CST 2005 14 interactive users. 8:23AM up 3 days, 14:37, 14 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 105624 Feb 12 00:09 /bin/sh /bin/sh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), for FreeBSD 5.3-CURRENT (rev 1), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped /dev/mirror/gm0s1f 164607432 5190146 146248692 3%/usr Dhrystone 2 using register variables 4438000.0 lps (10.0 secs, 10 samples) Double-Precision Whetstone 786.2 MWIPS (10.4 secs, 10 samples) System Call Overhead 387391.7 lps (10.0 secs, 10 samples) Pipe Throughput 595757.1 lps (10.0 secs, 10 samples) Pipe-based Context Switching 94343.7 lps (10.0 secs, 10 samples) Process Creation 5143.3 lps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) Execl Throughput 1127.4 lps (29.9 secs, 3 samples) File Read 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks637932.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) File Write 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks86241.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks 84790.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) File Read 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks 182188.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) File Write 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks 83127.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks 53860.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) File Read 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks1662218.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) File Write 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks47821.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks 47003.0 KBps (30.0 secs, 3 samples) Shell Scripts (1 concurrent) 2584.9 lpm (60.0 secs, 3 samples) Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)353.3 lpm (60.0 secs, 3 samples) Shell Scripts (16 concurrent) 177.0 lpm (60.0 secs, 3 samples) Arithmetic Test (type = short) 687842.3 lps (10.0 secs, 3 samples) Arithmetic Test (type = int) 697114.1 lps (10.0 secs, 3 samples) Arithmetic Test (type = long)697313.5 lps (10.0 secs, 3 samples) Arithmetic Test (type = float) 658678.8 lps (10.0 secs, 3 samples) Arithmetic Test (type = double) 658663.3 lps (10.0 secs, 3 samples) Arithoh 14359071.4 lps (10.0 secs, 3 samples) C Compiler Throughput 1373.3 lpm (60.0 secs, 3 samples) Dc: sqrt(2) to 99 decimal places 161336.3 lpm (30.0 secs, 3 samples) Recursion Test--Tower of Hanoi98086.8 lps (20.0 secs, 3 samples) INDEX VALUES TESTBASELINE RESULT INDEX Dhrystone 2 using register variables116700.0 4438000.0 380.3 Double-Precision Whetstone 55.0 786.2 142.9 Execl Throughput43.0 1127.4 262.2 File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks 3960.084790.0 214.1 File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks 1655.053860.0 325.4 File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks 5800.047003.0 81.0 Pipe Throughput 12440.0 595757.1 478.9 Pipe-based Context Switching 4000.094343.7 235.9 Process Creation 126.0 5143.3 408.2 Shell Scripts (8 concurrent) 6.0 353.3 588.8 System Call Overhead 15000.0 387391.7 258.3 = FINAL SCORE 270.4 Hyperthreading run: --- BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 4.1.0) System -- bigbird.logicsquad.net Start Benchmark Run: Sun Feb 20 17:22:33 CST 2005 2 interactive users. 5:22PM up 2 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.31, 0.23, 0.10 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 105624 Feb 12 00:09 /bin/sh /bin/sh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), for FreeBSD 5.3-CURRENT (rev 1), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped /dev/mirror/gm0s1f 164607432 5264584 146174254 3%/usr Dhrystone 2 using register variables 4463262.0 lps (10.0 secs, 10 samples) Double-Precision Whetstone 785.8 MWIPS
Re: Recommendations for All-in-One device?
On Saturday 19 March 2005 13:29, Brian J. McGovern wrote: I'm currently in the market for an All-in-One device for the home network, mostly for the fax functionality (it'll be replacing an Canon scanner and Okidata 810e laser printer). Before anyone suggests their favorite FreeBSD Fax modem/app, I'll let it be known that I've been told that the expectation is that we'll have a normal looking/working fax machine for the house ;) I've searched the mailing lists for All-in-One, and tried searches on printers, scanners, copiers, and faxes individually with no real good hits. I'm somewhat curious about the HPs, but wanted to get people's experiences with different devices, and what works/doesn't work with FreeBSD. A bit late, but I remembered seeing this question when I was just about to start setting up our Officejet replacement: a HP photosmart 2610 all-in-one. We're using it as a network printer/scanner now, it's not connected through USB to one box but it can be. It has stand alone fax and scan/copy capability. Setup was easy: Install the hpoj and hpijs ports, and cups and sane. I used the cups web interface (and the info provided with hpoj or from linuxprinting) to set it up (as a client this time, not as a server which it was before when the old OfficeJet was connected to this box with a parralel cable). Url/Device is a socket: without hpoj/hpijs, with hpoj its a ptal device. In the Driver section you should be able to pick your HP model. That should be all. With KDE I can now print to it (as network printer via ptal), scan from it with Kooka (via ptal via gphoto), and I'm sure faxing will also work. Stand-alone you can just use the flatbed scanner for input, and the printer tray for output. This is an inkjet, with laserjet printing you may not need or want hpijs but I think you probably would anyway. It looks like an officejet only smaller and a bit slicker. It also supports CF and other cards (from cameras), the ptal driver (and the windows version) should present those as local scsi disks, but I haven't really sorted that out yet. The printing/scanning quality is great. The hpijs and hpoj come from HP BTW. The thing cost us ~ 340 Euro's, which would be ~ 450 USD. I wanted a network capable printer (it has its own console but also a web interface), it's just easier to use in a network. If it lasts as long as the officejet (I think ~ 7 years) its worth the buck I guess. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Paul A. Hoadley wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 11:45:21PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Where can I see the measurements? Here are some measurements. A few weeks ago I ran Unixbench 4.1.0 (/usr/ports/benchmarks/unixbench) on a P4 2.8GHz with and without hyperthreading enabled. I note a slight difference in the 10 minute load average in favour of the uniprocessor run (0.00 vs 0.10 in the hyperthreading run), though I doubt this alone could account for a 15% difference in total score. Uniprocessor run: - BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 4.1.0) System -- bigbird.logicsquad.net Start Benchmark Run: Sun Feb 20 08:23:08 CST 2005 14 interactive users. 8:23AM up 3 days, 14:37, 14 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [snip] = FINAL SCORE 270.4 Hyperthreading run: --- BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 4.1.0) System -- bigbird.logicsquad.net Start Benchmark Run: Sun Feb 20 17:22:33 CST 2005 2 interactive users. 5:22PM up 2 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.31, 0.23, 0.10 [snip] = FINAL SCORE 228.9 Notice the HT run had load on the box (0.31) when it started. If you're going to run benchmarks you need to start with a clean reboot before each run and make sure all the background daemons have been killed and and the load is zero. However even then this is not a good test of HT - the point of HT is to improve throughput in multi thread workloads and the benchmark suite is basically single thread.What would be more interesting would be to run a test with a constant background load also running.In theory the HT should do a better job of balancing the load between the benchmark and the background than the BSD scheduler can on it's own. I don't have an HT box here or I'd try it but I'd love to know how it comes out if somebody is up for it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommendations for All-in-One device?
s/gphoto/sane/ Duh :) On Sunday 27 March 2005 00:53, Danny Pansters wrote: On Saturday 19 March 2005 13:29, Brian J. McGovern wrote: I'm currently in the market for an All-in-One device for the home network, mostly for the fax functionality (it'll be replacing an Canon scanner and Okidata 810e laser printer). Before anyone suggests their favorite FreeBSD Fax modem/app, I'll let it be known that I've been told that the expectation is that we'll have a normal looking/working fax machine for the house ;) I've searched the mailing lists for All-in-One, and tried searches on printers, scanners, copiers, and faxes individually with no real good hits. I'm somewhat curious about the HPs, but wanted to get people's experiences with different devices, and what works/doesn't work with FreeBSD. A bit late, but I remembered seeing this question when I was just about to start setting up our Officejet replacement: a HP photosmart 2610 all-in-one. We're using it as a network printer/scanner now, it's not connected through USB to one box but it can be. It has stand alone fax and scan/copy capability. Setup was easy: Install the hpoj and hpijs ports, and cups and sane. I used the cups web interface (and the info provided with hpoj or from linuxprinting) to set it up (as a client this time, not as a server which it was before when the old OfficeJet was connected to this box with a parralel cable). Url/Device is a socket: without hpoj/hpijs, with hpoj its a ptal device. In the Driver section you should be able to pick your HP model. That should be all. With KDE I can now print to it (as network printer via ptal), scan from it with Kooka (via ptal via gphoto), and I'm sure faxing will also work. Stand-alone you can just use the flatbed scanner for input, and the printer tray for output. This is an inkjet, with laserjet printing you may not need or want hpijs but I think you probably would anyway. It looks like an officejet only smaller and a bit slicker. It also supports CF and other cards (from cameras), the ptal driver (and the windows version) should present those as local scsi disks, but I haven't really sorted that out yet. The printing/scanning quality is great. The hpijs and hpoj come from HP BTW. The thing cost us ~ 340 Euro's, which would be ~ 450 USD. I wanted a network capable printer (it has its own console but also a web interface), it's just easier to use in a network. If it lasts as long as the officejet (I think ~ 7 years) its worth the buck I guess. HTH, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Hello, However even then this is not a good test of HT - the point of HT is to improve throughput in multi thread workloads and the benchmark suite is basically single thread.What would be more interesting would be to run a test with a constant background load also running.In theory the HT should do a better job of balancing the load between the benchmark and the background than the BSD scheduler can on it's own. I don't have an HT box here or I'd try it but I'd love to know how it comes out if somebody is up for it. It would be interesting to see the results of the BSD ULE scheduler on 5.4 Pre and 6 compared to 5.3R. --Nick --Nick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .cshrc
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:59:18 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont have colors :( How do you turn off the tab beep ? # $FreeBSD: src/etc/root/dot.cshrc,v 1.29 2004/04/01 19:28:00 krion Exp $ # # .cshrc - csh resource script, read at beginning of execution by each shell # # see also csh(1), environ(7). # alias h history 25 alias j jobs -l alias lals -a alias lfls -FA alias llls -lA # A righteous umask umask 22 set path = (/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/X11R6/bin $HOME/bin) setenv EDITOR joe setenv PAGER more setenv BLOCKSIZE K setenv CLICOLOR_FORCE 1 if ($?prompt) then # An interactive shell -- set some stuff up # set prompt = `/bin/hostname -s`# set prompt = [EMAIL PROTECTED]:%b%~%# set autolist = ambigous set filec set history = 100 set savehist = 100 set mail = (/var/mail/$USER) if ( $?tcsh ) then bindkey ^W backward-delete-word bindkey -k up history-search-backward bindkey -k down history-search-forward endif endif I did CLICOLOR true and now i have colors :) Still making beep noises doh how do you turn them of ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
Hello, On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 03:54:06PM -0800, John Pettitt wrote: Paul A. Hoadley wrote: I note a slight difference in the 10 minute load average in favour of the uniprocessor run (0.00 vs 0.10 in the hyperthreading run), though I doubt this alone could account for a 15% difference in total score. Notice the HT run had load on the box (0.31) when it started. If you're going to run benchmarks you need to start with a clean reboot before each run and make sure all the background daemons have been killed and and the load is zero. You are absolutely right, and I did note the difference in load averages. I'm not making any claims---someone asked for measurements, and I happened to have these handy. -- Paul. w http://logicsquad.net/ h http://paul.hoadley.name/ pgpvaZGNUOBes.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: hyper threading.
Uh, thats not the correct load average to use. Use the numbers obtained from top or systat. Those loads will show Zero load when you're routing 100K pps. It doesnt measure kernel load. -Original Message- From: Paul A. Hoadley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Pettitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:53:25 +0930 Subject: Re: hyper threading. Hello, On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 03:54:06PM -0800, John Pettitt wrote: Paul A. Hoadley wrote: I note a slight difference in the 10 minute load average in favour of the uniprocessor run (0.00 vs 0.10 in the hyperthreading run), though I doubt this alone could account for a 15% difference in total score. Notice the HT run had load on the box (0.31) when it started. If you're going to run benchmarks you need to start with a clean reboot before each run and make sure all the background daemons have been killed and and the load is zero. You are absolutely right, and I did note the difference in load averages. I'm not making any claims---someone asked for measurements, and I happened to have these handy. -- Paul. w http://logicsquad.net/ h http://paul.hoadley.name/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyper threading.
You can argue the technical theory all you want, but the measurements say otherwise. You guys have done it once again. Baited me into firing up a test that I already know the results of: Setup: Bridging em0 to em1 Load: 500Kpps, 60 bytes 3.4Ghz P4 1MB Cache FreeBSD 4.9 - Load: 38% (I put this in for fun :-) Freebsd 5.4-Pre UP (no HT) - Load: high 55-60% range FreeBSD 5.4-Pre SMP/HT - Load: 70-80% (much more jumping around) The bottom line is that if you don't test things to get real world results, you don't know crap. If that were true, then it would be equally true of systems with actual multiple physical processors. In practice, multiple processors provide an obvious performance gain, and hyperthreading does, too, although it's much more modest than the gain obtained from physically independent processors. this shows that you really are a bit foggy. Did you miss the part where with 2 processors you actually do have 2 processors? I can make an argument that networking with 1 processor on 5.4 is better than with 2. For example, with a test similar to the above, with 2 phyiscal processors FreeBSD 5.4 will start dropping packets way before it hits 500Kpps unless you increase the interrrupts/second, which of course increases the system load. And even with the dropped packets (which should reduce the load because it doesnt have to receive and transmit the packet), the load is still higher than for 4.x with a single processor. You and many others regulary say things like SMP is obviously faster, or Opterons are noticably faster, but those statements are only true for certain applications. I've tested an Opteron 2.0Ghz against a 3.4Ghz P4, and the results are pretty interesting. For raw performance, ie interrupts/second handling, the P4 wins easily. The P4 wins out of the cache. But once you grow out of the cache and get more memory intensive, the Opteron beats it handily. So which is really faster? You could argue both depending on what benchmark you use. You have to test it in the environment where you plan to use it. Because the answer is almost never black and white. -Original Message- From: Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:45:21 +0100 Subject: Re: hyper threading. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, the theory is very nice; you've done a nice job reading Intel's marketing garb. I haven't read their marketing materials. I'm simply going by the technical descriptions I've read of the architecture. However if you don't have a specific hyperthreading-aware scheduler and particularly well-written, threaded applications, you'll lose more than you'll gain. If that were true, then it would be equally true of systems with actual multiple physical processors. In practice, multiple processors provide an obvious performance gain, and hyperthreading does, too, although it's much more modest than the gain obtained from physically independent processors. Since FreeBSDs network stack isn't particularly well threaded, nor is the scheduler optimized for hyperthreading, you get a big mess at the kernel level. Nothing needs to be specially optimized for hyperthreading. All you need is at least two threads available for dispatch, with reasonably heterogenous instruction mixes that can use different parts of the processor hardware at the same time. Real-world instruction mixes are often in this category in general-purpose operating systems. So if you have a nice application that does a lot of threaded math operations, you might think you've achieved something, Heavily math-oriented applications (or any group of applications that contains similar instruction mixes) are among the least likely to benefit from hyperthreading, because they will tend to use the same processor logic at the same time, effectively rendering hyperthreading moot. But what you've missed is that the overhead to manage the better utilization of the dual-pipelines created by HT costs more than it gains. Unless FreeBSD is very poorly written indeed, the gain from hyperthreading should still exceed the slight increase in overhead incurred by multiprocessing logic. Hence, the loss of performance. Where can I see this loss of performance documented? The poblem is not at the application level, but at the kernel level. The SMP overhead is so substantial, and the OS is working thinking it has 2 processors, that process switching and interrupt handling slow down considerably. How much is so substantial? Where can I see this documented? A machine with a 50% load UP will run 65-70% load with HT/SMP running. Like I said, its easily measurable. Then you can show me the measurements. Where are they? A 40% increase in system load just because of multiprocessing is enormous. Where did you get this figure? Thats at the kernel level (say routing or bridging performance). But the kernel is only a small fraction of overall processor utilization. Now if the machine isn't a server, it may be just
which shell irc client do you like ?
i am looking for a very simple colored one, in the style of me 19:10# bla bla you 19:10# bla bla no menus or borders ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which shell irc client do you like ?
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:56:50 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am looking for a very simple colored one, in the style of me 19:10# bla bla you 19:10# bla bla no menus or borders oh and some kind of warning thingie that tels you if somebody sends something. A beep for example that you can turn on and off ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
