Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Andrew L. Gould wrote:

On Wednesday 22 June 2005 10:35 pm, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Hi,


/--big snip--/


That was a good idea.


That's a great analogy; but I disagree with the way you've applied it.

Yes, the hunters and farmers shared the food.  That's not to say that 
the farmers wanted to use the bows and arrows, or that the hunters 
wanted to use a harvesting tool.  If a farmer chose to use a bow and 
arrow, he/she would be irresponsible not to take a safety lesson 
(RTFM).


Will ever any farmer have taken a bow if there was no other way than RTFM?

Just give them the bow, make sure nothing happens to yourself and otehr 
and let them have a try.


That's okay.  FreeBSD users are currently specialized in their 


This is one of the reasons of low 'market' share.

interest in computer technology when compared to the average Windows 
user.  That's okay too.   Specialized tools serve are used by 
specialized individuals; although all may benefit indirectly.


I support better documentation.  I don't think there's any argument 


I would not say there is a need for a better documentation as people who 
are IT professionals are fine with it. There is the need for a second 
set of documentation the avarage person on the road will understand.


there.  The idea that FreeBSD should be usable for all levels of 
computer users, however, is like putting training wheels on a racing 
bicycle.  Any time you modify a professional tool to make it accessible 


If Porsche would stop selling cars to people not pushing the cars to the 
limit, they would sell a few hundreds a year instead of many tenthousands.


to all, the tool loses some level of efficiency or power.  In the case 
of FreeBSD, it would also absorb valuable development resources.


This is what it should not. I think that there are enough people here 
who like to help out with their limited knowledge if there would not be 
this certain tone here if people do not use a very serious tone and 
lingo in their answers.


All of this reminds me of a book I saw at Barnes  Noble last year:  
Bioinfomatics for Dummies.  Think about it:  does anyone on this list 
want a dummy messing with genetics?


We do not want them to run web server, just normal home PCs with FreeBSD 
instead of Windows or Linux.


Erich
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Re: Need your advise.

[Robert Slade]

On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 20:39, Charles Swiger wrote:
 On Jun 22, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Nuttapon Tharachaikul wrote:
   Please  advise me , I would like to know  that : Does BSD5.4  
  support High Availability Clustering same like RedHatAS3.0 ?  In  
  term of the capability to handle share disk-storage to support  
  redundancy of fail over single point of failure, that if one server  
  fail then another one can be promote to handle application service  
  by share disk-storage in a middle.
 
 Hmm.  The answer is probably no, FreeBSD doesn't have anything which  
 handles NFS or Samba failover transparently.

Chuck,

Sorry to disagree. There is a port of Heartbeat to free BSD, (it is in
the ports). It does handle NFS and Samba failover transparently. In fact
it will handle almost anything that you can start and stop via a script.

Rob 

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RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sandy
Rutherford
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:09 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Alex Zbyslaw
Subject: RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)


 On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:00:09 -0700,
 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  With a RAID-1 card, mirroring, there are 2 ways to setup reads.
  The first way makes the assumption that you are mirroring purely
  for fault tolerance.  In that case you would NOT see a ANY read from
  the second disk.  The reason is that every time you read you move the
  heads, and the more head movement the quicker the disk wears out.

OK.  I wasn't aware that some RAID cards allow you to tune reads in
this way.  Mine, which is a Mylex DAC1100, does not.


I was speaking from more of a designers theoretical standpoint rather
than a
users.  From a practical standpoint I would think that the marketing
department
of any RAID card manufacturer would throw up their hands in horror if a
engineer suggested doing it this way - the marketing people would say
that
the buyers of the card would think it was broken if they didn't see
blinky
lights on all the disk drives all the time. :-)

You see many otherwise good designs fucked up this way by marketing
people. :-(

  Placing exactly the same amount of head movement on both disks
  means that if you setup a mirror with new disks of the same model,
  which is pretty much how most people do it, the MTBF on both disks
  is the same, and if you put equal activity on both disks your making
  a very good chance that they will fail at the same time, or
very close
  to the same time.

This assumes a small standard deviation --- much smaller than I would
think is reasonable.  I don't think that I have ever seen standard
deviation data quoted by a manufacturer, which of course makes any MTBF
data that they provide worthless.


Ah, but you see your working with the definition of MTBF that I used, and
that the general public uses, NOT the definition of MTBF that
Seagate uses.  (or the other disk manufacturers)

Seagate wrote a paper on this titled:

Seagate Technology Paper 338.1 Estimating Drive Reliability in
Desktop Computers and Consumer Electronic Systems

that explains how they define MTBF.  Basically, they define MTBF as
what percentage of disks will fail in the FIRST year.

What they are saying is if you purchase 160 Cheetahs and run them at
100% duty cycle for 1 year then there is 100% chance that 1 out of the
160 will fail.

Thus, if you only purchase 80 disks and run them at 100% duty cycle for 1
year, then you only have a 50% chance that 1 will fail.  And so on.

Ain't statistics grand?  You can make them say anything!  For an encore
Seagate went on to prove that their CEO would live 3 centuries
by statistical grouping. :-)

So, in getting back to the gist of what I was saying, the issue is
as you mentioned standard deviation.  I think we all understand that
in a disk drive assembly line that it's all robotic, and that there
is an extremely high chance that disk drives that are within a few
serial numbers of each other are going to have virtually identical
characteristics.  In fact I would say using the Seagate MTBF definition,
that 1 in every 160 drives manufactured in a particular run is going
to have a significant enough deviation to fail at a significantly
different
period of time, given identical workload.

In short you have better than 99% chance that if you install 2 brand
new Cheetahs that are from the same production run, they will have
virtually identical characteristics.  And, failure due to wear is going
to be
very similar - there's only so many times the disk head can seek
before it's bearings are worn out - and your proposing to give them
the exact same usage.

The interesting thing about this is that as quoted MTBF goes up, the
closer and closer to identical all your disk drives have to be.  So
the funny thing is that in a RAID-1 array, your better off with cheapo
Barracutas which have much greater deviation between each drive, than
the more expensive Cheetahs that have less deviation between each drive.


I agree with all of this.  However, I do indeed see alternate
flickering and the RAID array is sitting right in front of me.  I
expect this has to do with how the intensity of the activity lights is
tied to seek vs read.  If it matters, the drives are Cheetahs and they
are in a Sun Multipack hot swap box.


I think the reason your seeing alternation is that the disks are
so damn fast that they complete their reads well before their internal
buffers have finished emptying themselves over the SCSI bus to the
array card.  In other words, you wasted your money on your fast disks,
if you had used slower disks you would see identical read performance
but you would see less alternative flickering
and more simultaneous and continuous activity.

If you got a faster array card you wouldn't see the alternative

ccd usage

[Dan Z]

Greetings,

I'm planning a new install and my question regards the usage of ccd. 
I have two disks of 30G and 20G.  Is it possible to use ccd to create
a single /usr partition across these two disks?  How might this be
done?  Can it be done from the sysinstall menu off the boot disk or
will I need to do some toying around after initial install is
completed?

Also, while not part of the ccd question, if I'm not mistaken, I can
create multiple swap partitions to spread swap usage across multiple
drives.  Is this true?

Thanks in advance.

Dan Z.
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Re: Problems since 5.3-RELEASE-p15

[Ian Moore]

On Tuesday 21 June 2005 08:34, Tuc at T-B-O-H wrote:

  If you have upgraded to 5.3-RELEASE-p15 why not just upgrade to
  5.4-RELEASE-p*?

   I'm always nervous going up a release due to my NVIDIA card

   Thanks, Tuc

I use the nvidia-driver port with xorg for my nvidia card and it doesn't cause 
problems when upgrading the base system. The only trouble I ever have is 
when X is upgraded. After upgrading X, I also have to re-build my nvidia 
drver. That's not a drama though, you just do do a portupgrade -f 
nvidia-driver and it's fine.
My current system started as 5.2.1-Release  is now on 5.4-p1. Even the change 
from XFree86 to X.org didn't cause problems with the driver.

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: Custom kernel config questions for Linux user

[Wojciech Puchar]

  I was wondering if anyone could provide me an answer to the following 
questions. Please keep in mind that by default I learned Unix on a Linux 
system, so... please no flames :(.
  1) Is there any sort of configuration interface (ncurses, X, etc), or am I 
'stuck' with 'manually configuring' a textfile?


yes you are - you will end more thinking less clicking.

this system is actually MUCH easier than ncurses/X/whateven because you 
use any text editor.



read file NOTES and GENERIC to make task easier.

it is very good when you configure kernel not the first time, because you 
use your favourite config file as a base for new config, just changing few 
drivers and options etc.



of course - feel free to write curses kernel configurator :))



  2) Is there a complete list of features which can be enabled for the 
kernel, other what was in the GENERIC configuration file?
  3) What is needed for the FreeBSD kernel and what modules need to be 
compiled in order to use IDE CD-burning. In linux previous to kernel version


burncd works as is.

for cdrecord etc.. you need cam support - something like linux SCSI 
emulation. but system's burncd works as is. unfortunately not for DVD 
writers yet.


2.6.8 I know that SCSI was required, but now they are doing proper IDE 
emulation.

  Thanks, I'll most likely have more questions later.


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Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX

[Wojciech Puchar]

I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite
little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what


unless low performance (relative to CPU clocking) of periferals and memory 
isn't a problem for you all ITX boards should work. this lower end (800Mhz 
if i remember well) doesn't have cooler at all which is nice.



but these VIA chipset is a bad thing. especially disk performance suffer.
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Re: Generating coredump's from within a signal handler.

[mats . lindberg]

Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2005-06-22 18:16:37:

 On 2005-06-22 16:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm writing a program that when receiving a SIGTERM
  shall generate a coredump of itself and exit.
  This coredump shall be analysed later on using gdb.
  I've tried to raise(SIGABRT) when handling SIGTERM,
  this generates a coredump, but the stack seems messed
  up when examining it with gdb.

 The stack *is* ``messed up'' when a program runs within a signal handler
 (where ``messed up'' means signal handlers are not called as normal C
 functions, but are entered on exit from a system call using special
 stack magic).

 What do you see in the gdb backtrace that seems ``messed up''?


This is it

#0  0x281a337b in kill () from /lib/libc.so.5
#1  0x28198422 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.5
#2  0x080d912a in externalSignals (signo=15) at monitor.c:122
#3  0x080d91c9 in monitorSignalHandler (signo=15) at monitor.c:167
#4  0xbfbfff94 in ?? ()
#5  0x000f in ?? ()
#6  0x in ?? ()
#7  0xbfbfea50 in ?? ()
#8  0x0002 in ?? ()
#9  0x080d91ae in internalError (signo=136130464) at monitor.c:156
#10 0x080cb12b in doCycleControl () at mngrA.c:707
#11 0x080ca9d4 in mngrA () at mngrA.c:313
#12 0x080bc4c3 in main () at proc0A.c:147

at line 707 there is a call to a regular c-func 'p_time_wait()'
this is not visible in the traceback

monitorSignalHandler(int signo) is setup to handle

signal(SIGSEGV, monitorSignalHandler);
signal(SIGBUS, monitorSignalHandler);
signal(SIGTERM, monitorSignalHandler);
signal(SIGQUIT, monitorSignalHandler);
signal(SIGHUP, monitorSignalHandler);

in monitorSignalHandler() internalError(int signo) is a fallback handler
for unknown signals.
in monitorSignalHandler() a SIGTERM issues a raise(SIGABRT);

So the traceback is messed up as I can understand it;
The process is given a SIGTERM when, probably, in function p_time_wait().
p_time_wait is not visible in the traceback. Instead internalError is shown
with a very strange
signo. The traceback from #3 and up(or down) to zero makes sense. But the
most interesting thing -
the whereabouts of the process when it received SIGTERM is hidden to me.



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RE: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

-Original Message-
From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:36 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features


Hi,

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

I do not think that it the design of Windows which makes it target. It
is the kind of support people with no knowledge get which makes it.


 People pay for Windows, not for FreeBSD.  The support structures are
 totally different because of this.  If support is what hinges
on getting

I am not talking of the support people get by paying for it. Just go to
any support forum, mailing list or what ever name it has and
compare the
tone used there.

The support is done by volunteers just like here.

While people asking 'dumb' questions around FreeBSD just get a RTFM
while the same question around Windows might gives them a lot of verbal
abuse plus the answer. If a person wastes its time to write 'RTFM', the
same person could also write 'RTFM at page xx' and the answer is useful.


Tone is in the eye of the beholder.  Sure, posts all contain a tone
to them.  But very little posted on this mailing list has been
anywhere near as harsh as what you see sometimes on Usenet in the
FreeBSD groups there.

And I can tell you that absolutely nothing that I have EVER read
here or on USENET has EVER held a candle to the power and majesty
of the flames I used to read a decade ago the old WWIV network.  (that
software
is available http://wwiv.sourceforge.net/ if you are interested) If you
are
put off by the tone of what you see here, you would become catatonic
if you read 5 minutes of that.  Those flamers were so good that
they could cause temporary blindness to their victims.

 Bringing a large number of ignoramuses on board who are dedicated to
 continuing to be ignoramuses, does not help the FreeBSD project at
 all.  It may help some people making money off servicing those people,
 but otherwise they are deadweight.

Then, never complain that FreeBSD does not reach a higher market share.


_I_ don't.  Who does?


I have to take my neighbour with her Ph.D. in biology again. We can
assume she has proven not to be a plain idiot. She got some of
the book,
looked at them for some days and said 'why should I study IT before I
can use FreeBSD'.


Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a drivers license?


 I can only ask why do you bother to garden in the first
place?  Without
 that background, you don't know why the pesticide that she recommends
 works.  And next season if it doesen't work, you don't know
why either.

I hope you never fall sick or have to undergo a serious
surgery.

I've undergone far more serious surgery than you ever have, I'll wager.
Try tumor removal.  Where the tumor is next to your spine.  You know,
there's a few things in the way - like the small intestine.  You wanna
know what they do with that when they have to get at tumors
at that location?  I'll give you a hint - you don't get solid food for
half a week at least before that operation, and your on an IV only, no
drinking, for a day beforehand.

 As long
as you do not understand how the whole procedure works, the doctor will
not be able to treat you.


That is correct.  I don't allow someone to cut into my body until they
have carefully explained how the whole procedure works and I understand
it.  I'm surprised you do.


 Honestly, before you knock it, you should try to understand
how the world
 works sometime.  It's really a better way to live.  Do you
really want to

Let me put it this way. A long time ago, we call it now stone age, the
people started to realise that a group of people shows better
results if
they specialise. The people better in hunting went hunting, the people
better in 'farming'. Despite one group did not know how the other group
got their kind of food, they shared it.


And how exactly did they find out from the group of kids growing up
each year which ones were better farmers and which ones were better
hunters?

At one point, the kids knew how to do both.  You see, the stone age
people understood that just because you had specialization, didn't
mean that learning about someone else's specialty was a bad thing.
After all, that other specialist might get et by a tiger, one day,
and have to be replaced.

That worked real well until the religious bigots came along and started
enforcing stuff like the caste system, and forcing kids into the same
jobs that their fathers, and father's fathers, and so on forever and
ever,
had held.  That's when it became OK for everyone to be completely
ignorant
of how to do anyone elses' job but what their caste had always done.

Ted

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RELENG_5_3 // RELENG_5_3_RELEASE

[bsd]

Hi,


I have configured my new BSD server with a RELENG_5_3 tag in the cvs- 
supfile and I was wondering if I took the right track to update my  
system.


So far I have only compiled and installed the updated ports that I  
need (in /usr/ports).


Since I have switched to the 5_3 instead of 5_3_RELEASE, do I have to  
do more updates for my system. I guess that the patched software that  
have been released since the 5_3_RELEASE are included in the 5_3 and  
that I have to install them somehow.


So my question is how ?


I guess that this is happening in /usr/src and that I have to make  
something…


Have you got a specific pointer of the steps I have to take to update  
It properly.



Do you think this is a good idea to stick to 5_3 instead of  
5_3_RELEASE for a production system (mail server) ?




Thanks for your advices.


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RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

[Sandy Rutherford]

 On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:37:20 -0700, 
 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  Seagate wrote a paper on this titled:

  Seagate Technology Paper 338.1 Estimating Drive Reliability in
  Desktop Computers and Consumer Electronic Systems

  that explains how they define MTBF.  Basically, they define MTBF as
  what percentage of disks will fail in the FIRST year.

Is this in the public domain?  I wouldn't mind having a look at it.

  What they are saying is if you purchase 160 Cheetahs and run them at
  100% duty cycle for 1 year then there is 100% chance that 1 out of the
  160 will fail.

  Thus, if you only purchase 80 disks and run them at 100% duty cycle for 1
  year, then you only have a 50% chance that 1 will fail.  And so on.

  Ain't statistics grand?  You can make them say anything!  For an encore
  Seagate went on to prove that their CEO would live 3 centuries
  by statistical grouping. :-)

Now don't knock statistics.  The problem does not lie with statistics,
but with its misuse by people who do not understand what they are
doing.  No, I am not a statistician; however, I am a mathematician.

  So, in getting back to the gist of what I was saying, the issue is
  as you mentioned standard deviation.  I think we all understand that
  in a disk drive assembly line that it's all robotic, and that there
  is an extremely high chance that disk drives that are within a few
  serial numbers of each other are going to have virtually identical
  characteristics.  In fact I would say using the Seagate MTBF definition,
  that 1 in every 160 drives manufactured in a particular run is going
  to have a significant enough deviation to fail at a significantly
  different
  period of time, given identical workload.

I am not so sure.  If we were talking about can openers, I would
agree.  However, a disk drive is basically a mechanical object which
performs huge numbers of mechanical actions over the course of a
number of years.  Even extremely minute variations in the
physical characteristics of the materials could lead to substantive
variations over time.  However, the operative word here is could.
Real data is required.  I tried to google for a relevant study, but
came up empty.  This surprised me as it seems like the sort of thing
that masses of data should have been collected for.

  In short you have better than 99% chance that if you install 2 brand
  new Cheetahs that are from the same production run, they will have
  virtually identical characteristics.  And, failure due to wear is going
  to be
  very similar - there's only so many times the disk head can seek
  before it's bearings are worn out - and your proposing to give them
  the exact same usage.

  I think the reason your seeing alternation is that the disks are
  so damn fast that they complete their reads well before their internal
  buffers have finished emptying themselves over the SCSI bus to the
  array card.  In other words, you wasted your money on your fast
  disks,

Not much money.  After having been burned by failures of lower end
drives, I bought high-end stuff on EBay.  Made me nervous at the
beginning, because who knows how many flights of stairs the drive
bounced down before it was popped into the mail, and for that matter,
who knows how many flights of stairs it bounced down while it was in
the mail.  However, so far it has worked out quite well.

  if you had used slower disks you would see identical read performance
  but you would see less alternative flickering
  and more simultaneous and continuous activity.

  If you got a faster array card you wouldn't see the alternative
  flickering.

  Or, it could be the PCI bus not being fast enough for the array card.

It's almost certainly the PCI bus.  The DAC1100, although not
state-of-the-art, is still reasonably fast.  It has 3 U2W channels and
it could certainly max out my PCI bus.

  Ah well, a computer just wouldn't be a computer without blinking
  lights on it!!! ;-)

Gotta agree there;-) Once upon a time I had the dip switch settings
required to boot a PDP-11 from the front panel memorized, because I
had to do it so often.  Our data runs extended far beyond the typical
uptime, so we did checkpoints by dumping the relevant bits of core to
a teletype and I used to have to re-type in the data from the teletype
when we brought it back up after a crash.  Even on an old PDP-11, this
took a while.  We needed 3 months+ of uptime and we did well if we
could keep that thing up for longer than a week.  I became
well-acquainted with those dip switches.

Sandy
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Re: FreeBSD mini-ITX

[Erik Nørgaard]

Benjamin Keating wrote:

I've been eyeing up these mini-ITX boards - would like to make a quite
little file server. Does anyone here run a mini-ITX board (what
model)? Does it work out of the box? Anything not supported? I'd go
for one of VIA's as AMD's and others are still a little new and
pricey. Recommend a shop to purchase from (in the US)?


I bought a VIA EPIA CL1000 (now PD, dual NIC) and a Morex Cubid 3688 
case one year ago from mini-itx.com.


I installed FBSD 4.10 and later FBSD 5.3-5.4 with out any problems. I 
haven't installed X11, I don't see the point as it's a server remotely 
controled with ssh, and I don't have a spare monitor anyway.


The only issues I have had are: 'halt -p' reboots instead of powerdown, 
so I had to 'halt' then powerdown manually. ACPI doesn't read cpu 
temperature.


I use it at home as my mail/web/whatever server with a DSL connection, 
generally with a load of 0.00. The DSL limits the traffic so it simply 
can't get too much network load.


I have had one problem that gave me some grey hairs, which I initially 
thought it to be MB or disk problem, but it turned out to be ip-filter 
rather than hardware.


mini-itx.com reports noice of  25dB. The fans may produce that level of 
noice if they were not mounted. I found resonances causing the box to be 
quite noicy, in particular the cpu fan.


You can buy some stuff to make the fan run slower and it helps. But what 
really helps is to reduce vibrations: Raise the cpu fan a bit from the 
cooler plates using some heat tolerable silicon, this makes the fan run 
more freely and transfers less resonances to the cooler plates and onto 
the MB. Also place the box on rubber feet so it won't pass on vibrations.


I run my box with only the cpu fan, no others, the box is hot but it 
runs without problems.


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Re: Using regex(3)

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 6/23/05, Olivier Nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Titus,
 
  no, you're misunderstanding regoff_t or printf.
 
 I definitely misunderstand printf. Until now I thought that each place
 holder (%d) was associated with one variable and if the type
 missmatched, the display could be incorrect.

Not exactly. Each placeholder like %d is associated with a
corresponding number of bytes placed on the stack for values passed to
printf(). In addition, many compilers expand values being placed on
the stack to the native data boundary. For example, compilers that
produce 32-bit code often expand chars and shorts passed to printf()
to ints; corresponding placeholders like %c etc know that those 32-bit
values are just chars and shorts and treat them accordingly. If you by
mistake use %u instead of %c, printf() may print garbage instead of
corresponding char value, but subsequent placeholders will still
correspond to correct 32-bit portions of the stack.

64-bit values in 32-bit code are different, because they occupy 2
32-bit chunks on the stack, and if you try to deal with them with
%d's, without telling printf() that those are in fact 64-bit values
with %lld or similar format specifiers, you'll cause subsequent format
specifier to access the high-half of the 64-bit value instead of the
corresponding value, and so on; from now on, the entire stack during
the call to printf() is misaligned, and all subsequent format
specifiers will print garbage. This may explain why you're seeing 0's
instead of valid output in your program.

Hope this helps.

 But in that case, printf seems to take 2 successive %d and split the
 variable upon them to make it a %lld.
 
 I am no C guru, but that sound very bad to me.

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Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


Tone is in the eye of the beholder.  Sure, posts all contain a tone
to them.  But very little posted on this mailing list has been
anywhere near as harsh as what you see sometimes on Usenet in the
FreeBSD groups there.

I did not say this at all. This tone is not abusive at all. It is also a 
very serious tone. The problem is that this is a tone a high number of 
people has problems with.



And I can tell you that absolutely nothing that I have EVER read
here or on USENET has EVER held a candle to the power and majesty


Nothing ever came even close to the abuse at the national service I did. 
So, I also know the other extreme.



Then, never complain that FreeBSD does not reach a higher market share.


_I_ don't.  Who does?

Some do a logo contest to make FreeBSD more appearing, there is some 
activity going in.



I have to take my neighbour with her Ph.D. in biology again. We can
assume she has proven not to be a plain idiot. She got some of
the book,
looked at them for some days and said 'why should I study IT before I
can use FreeBSD'.


Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a drivers license?


I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a deserted place.



That is correct.  I don't allow someone to cut into my body until they
have carefully explained how the whole procedure works and I understand
it.  I'm surprised you do.

There is another difference. I asked 'my' surgeon a simple question: how 
many died in your hands doing this. The number wasn't zero but within 
avarage. With other words, I just trust them.


And how exactly did they find out from the group of kids growing up
each year which ones were better farmers and which ones were better
hunters?

At one point, the kids knew how to do both.  You see, the stone age
people understood that just because you had specialization, didn't
mean that learning about someone else's specialty was a bad thing.


But how deep did they go into the other's field?

And, to come back to RTFM, did they first read a handbook or did they 
just have a try?



After all, that other specialist might get et by a tiger, one day,
and have to be replaced.


This happens now to specialists running Windows catching a virus too.


That worked real well until the religious bigots came along and started


Yes, but there is a small difference to FreeBSD's use by others: they 
are not forced to use FreeBSD and they should be used to RTFM.


There are so many people out there who do not understand things this 
way. Just allow them with some help from others who are willing to help.


Erich
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Re: FreeBSD Machines dieing, we've tried so much....

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 6/23/05, Matt Juszczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Personally, I would update to RELENG_5 as of today. There are a lot of
  bug fixes and its quite solid..
 
 Did the upgrade earlier to two of five machines (the ones that were
 crashing).  We'll see what happens :)  Thanks!
 
 Any planned date for 5.5-RELEASE?

September 2005, according to http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html.

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RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sandy
Rutherford
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:15 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Yet another RAID Question (YARQ)


 On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:37:20 -0700, 
 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  Seagate wrote a paper on this titled:

  Seagate Technology Paper 338.1 Estimating Drive Reliability in
  Desktop Computers and Consumer Electronic Systems

  that explains how they define MTBF.  Basically, they define MTBF as
  what percentage of disks will fail in the FIRST year.

Is this in the public domain?  I wouldn't mind having a look at it.


I don't think it is but you can find ANYTHING on the Internet no
matter how embarassing or private:

http://www.digit-life.com/articles/storagereliability/


  Ain't statistics grand?  You can make them say anything!  
For an encore
  Seagate went on to prove that their CEO would live 3 centuries
  by statistical grouping. :-)

Now don't knock statistics.  The problem does not lie with statistics,
but with its misuse by people who do not understand what they are
doing.  No, I am not a statistician; however, I am a mathematician.


Then I am expecting you to read Seagates paper and after laughing your
ass off, post a review of it here. :-)

  So, in getting back to the gist of what I was saying, the issue is
  as you mentioned standard deviation.  I think we all understand that
  in a disk drive assembly line that it's all robotic, and that there
  is an extremely high chance that disk drives that are within a few
  serial numbers of each other are going to have virtually identical
  characteristics.  In fact I would say using the Seagate MTBF 
definition,
  that 1 in every 160 drives manufactured in a particular run is going
  to have a significant enough deviation to fail at a significantly
  different
  period of time, given identical workload.

I am not so sure.  If we were talking about can openers, I would
agree.  However, a disk drive is basically a mechanical object which
performs huge numbers of mechanical actions over the course of a
number of years.  Even extremely minute variations in the
physical characteristics of the materials could lead to substantive
variations over time.  However, the operative word here is could.
Real data is required.  I tried to google for a relevant study, but
came up empty.  This surprised me as it seems like the sort of thing
that masses of data should have been collected for.


I'm sure they are but it's all going to be useful to the competitors
so I doubt the companies that collected the data will let it out.

What your asking for are nothing less than the recipie for setting
costs levels to make a disk drive assembly line profitable - and that
is an assembly line that even at the best of it, operates with a razor
thin margin.

Getting back to the physical characteristics, yes I had thought of
that too and it is a consideration on reliability.  However, the
speed and tolerances of these things is so tight that any significant
manufacturing deviation from the design is going to have the effect
of seriously shortening lifetime.

Consider also the typical automobile engine - by comparison to
drive manufacturing the allowable variations are huge - yet for
most cars, the engines all fail around the 200,000 mile mark.

I think manufacturing deviations effects are staggered - during the
first year they matter the most, then in successive years they
don't matter much.


Ted
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Re: ccd usage

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 6/23/05, Dan Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 I'm planning a new install and my question regards the usage of ccd.
 I have two disks of 30G and 20G.  Is it possible to use ccd to create
 a single /usr partition across these two disks?  How might this be
 done?  Can it be done from the sysinstall menu off the boot disk or
 will I need to do some toying around after initial install is
 completed?
 
 Also, while not part of the ccd question, if I'm not mistaken, I can
 create multiple swap partitions to spread swap usage across multiple
 drives.  Is this true?

Yes, this is true. From
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/configtuning-initial.html:

On larger systems with multiple SCSI disks (or multiple IDE disks
operating on different controllers), it is recommend that a swap is
configured on each drive (up to four drives). The swap partitions
should be approximately the same size. The kernel can handle arbitrary
sizes but internal data structures scale to 4 times the largest swap
partition. Keeping the swap partitions near the same size will allow
the kernel to optimally stripe swap space across disks

Hopefully your first question will be answered by somebody else.

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RE: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

-Original Message-
From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:05 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features



 _I_ don't.  Who does?

Some do a logo contest to make FreeBSD more appearing, there is some
activity going in.

Most of the rank and file argued long against that contest.

 Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a
drivers license?

I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a
deserted place.

I didn't say learned driving I said get a license  You have
to learn what's in the manual to pass the test to get the license.



 That is correct.  I don't allow someone to cut into my body until they
 have carefully explained how the whole procedure works and I
understand
 it.  I'm surprised you do.

There is another difference. I asked 'my' surgeon a simple
question: how
many died in your hands doing this. The number wasn't zero but within
avarage. With other words, I just trust them.

It's not a question of trust, it's a question of do I understand what
is going to happen.  I find post-operative pain a lot easier to bear
when I know why it's hurting.


Yes, but there is a small difference to FreeBSD's use by others: they
are not forced to use FreeBSD and they should be used to RTFM.

There are so many people out there who do not understand things this
way. Just allow them with some help from others who are willing to help.


Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer that
he asks which is in the manual IS help.

Ted

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Re: private/internal db file question...

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-06-22 19:36, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   In named.conf I have two files; one is the .rev table:

 zone db.private {
   type master;
   file /etc/namedb/s/db.private;
   allow-query {
127.0.0.1/32; 10.0.0.0/8;
};
 };

 zone db/private.rev {
   type master;
   file /etc/namedb/s/db.private.rev;
   allow-query {
127.0.0.1/32; 10.0.0.0/8;
};
 };

Something is very wrong above.  You're not supposed to use db.private
(i.e. the name of the _FILE_ that stores the zone records) as the first
argument of the zone configuration directive.

 ;namettlclasstypedata
 1INPTRlocalhost
 1   INPTRsage
 220 INPTRethic
 247 INPTRtao
 249 INPTRzen

 These look mostly ok, but you may want to fix the following:

   - localhost is usually assigned to 127.0.0.1, not 10.0.0.1
   - the IN column is *NOT* the TTL (time to live) of a record


   What would you replace these row tags with?  ((I got these from
   another database file, obv'ly.)

   ;namettlclasstypedata

   Would:

   ;record  class pointer name

More like:

;name   class   typedata
1   IN  PTR sage

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Re: RELENG_5_3 // RELENG_5_3_RELEASE

[Mario Hoerich]

# bsd:
 Since I have switched to the 5_3 instead of 5_3_RELEASE, do I have to  
 do more updates for my system. I guess that the patched software that  
 have been released since the 5_3_RELEASE are included in the 5_3 and  
 that I have to install them somehow.
 
 So my question is how ?

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html

 
 Do you think this is a good idea to stick to 5_3 instead of  
 5_3_RELEASE for a production system (mail server) ?

Yes.  RELENG_5_3 is a security branch of 5.3-RELEASE and thus
handled in a very conservative manner.  No bad surprises there.
Tracking it will get you updates iff they're strictly necessary. 

Regards,
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Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



_I_ don't.  Who does?


Some do a logo contest to make FreeBSD more appearing, there is some
activity going in.


Most of the rank and file argued long against that contest.


Not only them.


Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a


drivers license?

I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a
deserted place.



I didn't say learned driving I said get a license  You have
to learn what's in the manual to pass the test to get the license.

I also never studied that one. With other words: there is more than one 
way to get the knowledge.


It's not a question of trust, it's a question of do I understand what
is going to happen.  I find post-operative pain a lot easier to bear
when I know why it's hurting.


I do not bother to understand as long they say it is all right.


Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer that
he asks which is in the manual IS help.

Yes, it is help. But how dumb does a person have to be if this is of 
real help?


Erich
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Re: RELENG_5_3 // RELENG_5_3_RELEASE

[Björn König]

bsd wrote:

I have configured my new BSD server with a RELENG_5_3 tag in the cvs- 
supfile and I was wondering if I took the right track to update my  system.


So far I have only compiled and installed the updated ports that I  need 
(in /usr/ports).


Are you aware of the fact that the FreeBSD base system and kernel 
(/usr/src) have nothing to do with the ports (/usr/ports) in this 
context and should be handled seperately?


Since I have switched to the 5_3 instead of 5_3_RELEASE, do I have to  
do more updates for my system.


There is no RELENG_5_3_RELEASE tag; if you update your sources with this 
tag everything would be deleted. It's RELENG_5_3_0_RELEASE.


Furthermore I can't imagine that this tag causes more updates; the 
branch RELENG_5_3_0_RELEASE remains untouched as far as I know.


Read about the release engineering [1] and chapter 19 and 4 of the 
handbook [2] to learn more about updating FreeBSD and third-party software.


[1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/index.html
[2] http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/

Björn
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libc

[Chris Knipe]

Lo all,

Is there anywhere that I can see what has changed from FreeBSD 4.11 to 
FreeBSD 5.x, in regards to libc ?


We are getting major errors and core dumps from one of our applications 
which runs flawlessly on 4.x, but just dumps on 5.x, complaining about 
__cxa_finalize () from /lib/libc.so.5 (FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE)...


Would be good if someone can give some hints or pointers to debug this...

Thanks allot,
Chris. 



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Re: ccd usage

[Anatoliy Dmytriyev]

Dan Z wrote:


Greetings,

I'm planning a new install and my question regards the usage of ccd. 
I have two disks of 30G and 20G.  Is it possible to use ccd to create

a single /usr partition across these two disks?  How might this be
done?  Can it be done from the sysinstall menu off the boot disk or
will I need to do some toying around after initial install is
completed?



http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/raid.html



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Simple ipfw problem :(

[Peter]

Hi,

with my old linux box I forward all my LAN traffic coming from eth1 via 
eth0 with these simple 3 lines


$IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j MASQUERADE
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $LAN_IFACE -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT

Howevr I moved the box to FreeBSD 5.4 and also I have a new connection
PPPoE. I enabled the IPDIVERRT,FIRREWALL etc in the kernel but I am 
 unable to make traffic coming from rl0(internal interface) be 
forwaded via tun0( PPPoE interface).


I have gateway_enable='yes', tried playing with ppp_nat etc...

But no luck

Is there a simple way to do that with ipfw ? Please help - I am little 
bit confused...


Thanks in advance for your help...

Kind regards,

Peter
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Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[cali]

Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer that
he asks which is in the manual IS help.

Yes, it is help. But how dumb does a person have to be if this is of real 
help?


If they were like ultra-newbie, they might not even know how to access the 
manual, but this is improbable.


The idea is, the newbie gets repeatedly told RTFM, so that eventually they 
get the idea that they must work it out for themselves because they develop 
this inner fear of asking for help and being ridiculed, ie they don't want 
to portray themselves as a lamer. Usually it works.


Sometimes there are people who will spout RTFM willy-nilly. I have 
witnessed on several occassions (not on this list) of people spouting RTFM 
when the manual in question did not contain the answer to the question asked 
at all, thereby backfiring on the RTFM spouter and resulting in 
self-ridicule. In such cases I believe that the spouter has some self-esteem 
problem and likes to newbie-bash, or just hazards a guess that the answer 
must be in the manual and automatically spouts RTFM.


So the question bearer should state whether they have read the manual first. 
Then if it turns out that the answer is in the manual, they shall be 
ridiculed, resulting in them hopefully being much more careful next time 
when they read the manual.


Sometimes people ask simple questions, the answer is in the manual, but 
reading the manual to find the answer is akin to reading a book to discover 
how many pages it has. In such cases one feels that the information asked 
should be somewhere else, not buried in a big manual. It may be more useful 
in such cases to just answer the question so it ends up in the mailing 
archive and comes up when someone searches for it.


cali 


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Re: Simple ipfw problem :(

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 6/23/05, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 with my old linux box I forward all my LAN traffic coming from eth1 via
 eth0 with these simple 3 lines
 
 $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j MASQUERADE
 $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $LAN_IFACE -j ACCEPT
 $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
 
 Howevr I moved the box to FreeBSD 5.4 and also I have a new connection
 PPPoE. I enabled the IPDIVERRT,FIRREWALL etc in the kernel but I am
   unable to make traffic coming from rl0(internal interface) be
 forwaded via tun0( PPPoE interface).
 
 I have gateway_enable='yes', tried playing with ppp_nat etc...
 
 But no luck
 
 Is there a simple way to do that with ipfw ? Please help - I am little
 bit confused...
 
 Thanks in advance for your help...
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Peter

Hi Peter,

There is a nice chapter in FreeBSD handbook that describes how rules
for ipfw might look like to do NAT:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-ipfw.html.
I had no problems setting my firewall using that chapter as a starting
point.

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Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-06-23 12:51, cali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If they were like ultra-newbie, they might not even know how to access
 the manual, but this is improbable.

 The idea is, the newbie gets repeatedly told RTFM, so that
 eventually they get the idea that they must work it out for themselves
 because they develop this inner fear of asking for help and being
 ridiculed, ie they don't want to portray themselves as a
 lamer. Usually it works.

 Sometimes there are people who will spout RTFM willy-nilly. I have
 witnessed on several occassions (not on this list) of people spouting
 RTFM when the manual in question did not contain the answer to the
 question asked at all, thereby backfiring on the RTFM spouter and
 resulting in self-ridicule. In such cases I believe that the spouter
 has some self-esteem problem and likes to newbie-bash, or just hazards
 a guess that the answer must be in the manual and automatically spouts
 RTFM.

 So the question bearer should state whether they have read the manual
 first. Then if it turns out that the answer is in the manual, they
 shall be ridiculed, resulting in them hopefully being much more
 careful next time when they read the manual.

 Sometimes people ask simple questions, the answer is in the manual,
 but reading the manual to find the answer is akin to reading a book to
 discover how many pages it has. In such cases one feels that the
 information asked should be somewhere else, not buried in a big
 manual. It may be more useful in such cases to just answer the
 question so it ends up in the mailing archive and comes up when
 someone searches for it.

I'm not watching the entire thread, so what I write below may seem a bit
out of context.  On the other hand, this particular post shows some of
the few points I don't like about a stream of RTFM responses.

You seem to overvalue ridicule, IMHO.

My intuition and experience with asking questions so far seems to be
that it's usually a much better idea to give two-fold answers:

- Actually point the user to a working solution (assuming there
  is one, of course).
- Include relevant pointers to further documentation.

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Re: Simple ipfw problem :(

[Björn König]

Peter wrote:

with my old linux box I forward all my LAN traffic coming from eth1 via 
eth0 with these simple 3 lines


$IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j MASQUERADE
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $LAN_IFACE -j ACCEPT
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT

Howevr I moved the box to FreeBSD 5.4 and also I have a new connection
PPPoE. I enabled the IPDIVERRT,FIRREWALL etc in the kernel but I am 
 unable to make traffic coming from rl0(internal interface) be forwaded 
via tun0( PPPoE interface).


I have gateway_enable='yes', tried playing with ppp_nat etc...

But no luck

Is there a simple way to do that with ipfw ? Please help - I am little 
bit confused...


Actually you don't need ipfw or any other packet filter to set up a 
simple internet access point for clients in a LAN. This configuration 
should be enough:


 ppp.conf 
myisp:
  set device PPPoE:interface
  set log Phase IPCP CCP Warning Error Alert
  add! default HISADDR
  set authname username
  set authkey password

Note: interface is your external network interface, i.e. neither rl0 
nor tun0.


 rc.conf 
gateway_enable=YES # sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 at startup
ppp_enable=YES
ppp_mode=ddial
ppp_profile=myisp
ppp_nat=YES# alternatively nat enable yes in ppp.conf


I hope I didn't forget about something.

Björn
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PHP+ pThreads

[Tarc]

I has setted WITH_THREADS=YES in /etc/make.conf, compliled libxml2, and then 
tryed compile lang/php5.
I got message from phps' conigure, that libxml2 is not usable(some function 
from pthread library not found.
Does PHP-5 not suppirt pthreads library?

-- 
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Re: FreeBSD's physical development structure

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-06-23 07:28, Fafa Hafiz Krantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello.

 Where do I find information on how the FreeBSD Project as a whole is
 structured? I mean, from the bottom to the top. How does the project
 work?

A good starting point is here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/dev-model/

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Need your advise.

[Nuttapon Tharachaikul]

To Support,
 I'm interest on BSD-OS.
 Please advise me , I'm new to study Linux.
 1. After I created installation-CDROM. It was burned completly. 
 But I have a question about the following files ,Does it used for what ? 
 - CHECKSUM.MD5
 2. I would like to know about the feature of BSD5.4 ,where can I check 
this.
 Please give me a shortly information that BSD5.4,i386, can handler 
about Clustering ,RAID and can support Physical Ram = 4 GB or not.
 Have any reference information's source the explain the purpose and how to 
handle of its.

 If I would like to order SD 5.4 and Handbook, 3rd Edition, Users Guide 
Bundle from FreeBSD-Mall and ship to Thailand.
 1. How much ship-cost to delivery this media ? 
 2. How long for delivery ?
 3. And Could you give me for discount ?

 
Best Regards,
Nuttapon Tharachaikul
Thailand.
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Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Jun 23, 2005, at 5:04 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Hi,

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
I have to take my neighbour with her Ph.D. in biology again. We can
assume she has proven not to be a plain idiot. She got some of
the book,
looked at them for some days and said 'why should I study IT before I
can use FreeBSD'.

Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a drivers 
license?
I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a deserted 
place.


So...you learn what the interface tells you and your intuition can 
figure out.  Other people learn by reading and finding out how things 
work so they actually know what's going on.


It's always entertaining to do something on the computer that the user 
never stumbled across before and is amazed that a task could be done 
that way.  How did you know that?  I can read.


Even more fun are the people that stumble their way through 
applications to the point where it looks like they're doing something 
productive and may even end up with an end product (barely), but have 
no clue what they did or how they did it and what they ended up with 
was so wrong that it can end up being a headache for the next person 
in line to deal with.  For example, there was someone I knew who did a 
small publication with a popular (read: Microsoft) application that 
required a number of graphics be inserted along with text boxes and a 
full layout all arranged before the document was sent to the printer 
(a printer as in a contracted publisher).  The end result was nearly 
400 meg.  I looked at it and saw that they had inserted a number of 
graphics that were in their original format...namely, huge.  I'm 
talking about jpg files that were easily over a meg each.  The person 
had inserted the graphic and just scaled it down using copy and paste 
from a graphics program, so the original full-res image was getting 
embedded into the document when, for the quality of the printing that 
was going to be made, it was definitely not needed.


Where are the graphics you used?

I don't know...I just have them on the desktop and here and there...

So we spent some time trying to track those down, since the person 
didn't know how to organize their files so they had stuff spread out 
wherever seemed to work.  Some of the pictures were scanned in; where 
did they save them?  Didn't know that either.


Next I showed them the difference between the application just scaling 
the image as viewed and embedded, and actually taking the image in an 
image editor and resizing it, then saving the resulting image and using 
that in the publication document.  One meg pictures resized closer to 
the actual image size that was used in the document now only took a 
hundred kilobytes or so.


After going through this a few times (and making sure they saved the 
new images with a different filename to a specific directory so they 
could be referred back to), they set off on their own to continue the 
work.


The document that was 400 meg, when I checked before leaving, was down 
to around 80 meg, and they were still working on the document when I 
left the building.


Funny how sometimes knowing what you're doing by reading, working with 
it, trying to understand what's going on can beat raw I don't really 
give a d*mn how it works as long as it seems to work intuition 
sometimes.


I guess that's why it's harder nowadays to throw a car's transmission 
from drive into reverse.  Too many intuitive learners out there.


We no longer wish to take responsibility for our actions, and we are 
being trained not to even think for ourselves.  Curiosity is 
disappearing.  Immediate results, even if they are wrong or done so 
inefficiently that the end product of our labor is crud, is preferred 
over actually learning how to do it right (or at least better than our 
random guesses).


And before pointing out that people learn by randomly guessing at how 
to do things, there is a difference between what is motivating the 
object of my criticism and the artisan hacker, with hacker being a term 
applied to far more than just computers; the former is randomly 
guessing at things to just churn out crud and doesn't care how it is 
done, has no urge to know what they are doing, they simply care about 
getting from point A to point B.  The latter pokes at some things, 
finds this is the result, then analyzes the result and wonders...is 
there a better way to do this?  Then they proceed to retry it with a 
different approach to compare the results.  The latter gets from point 
A to point B, then looks to see if they could do it in a better way.  
If they get stuck they read the manual.  Or they read articles and 
postings about the topic at hand to see if someone else found a better 
way.  The latter also seem to be a dying breed.


As for the biologist neighbor not being an idiot and asking why study 
IT to use it, well, if you're an IT person, are you qualified to be a 
biologist?  Idiot 

Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Jun 23, 2005, at 6:30 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Hi,

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a
drivers license?


I do not know why people do it. I just learned driving in a
deserted place.

I didn't say learned driving I said get a license  You have
to learn what's in the manual to pass the test to get the license.
I also never studied that one. With other words: there is more than 
one way to get the knowledge.


And so many ways never to learn the full potential of the tools you're 
using.



It's not a question of trust, it's a question of do I understand what
is going to happen.  I find post-operative pain a lot easier to bear
when I know why it's hurting.

I do not bother to understand as long they say it is all right.


Ignorance is bliss.  Letting others think for us gives away 
responsibility and power, but hey, it's less work than thinking.


It is for this reason that sysadmins end up having to clamp down so 
hard on so many desktop systems in organizations.  You don't want the 
responsibility of knowing why you shouldn't be doing this, so we'll 
simply not allow it anymore.  Why can't I get this attachment?  Because 
you like clicking before thinking.  Why can't I change my color schemes 
around?  Because you ask for help and it makes other people's eyes go 
wonky reading purple-on-pink text.  Why can't I save documents here 
instead of there?  Because we've warned people that area isn't backed 
up, you lost a file, and threw a fit when it couldn't be restored.  
Eventually you HAVE to turn the workstation into some kiosk-esque 
etch-a-sketch to keep them from screwing up their workstations with 
their random click-click-click.


Living in ignorance, and worse, being told that it's right to live in a 
state of ignorance, brings us to the state we're in today in the US.  
Everything is designed for idiots, we expect to legislate morality and 
intelligence (if it's harmful, we should ban it, make it illegal, or 
put so many warning stickers on it that only someone with the IQ of 
butter could operate it).


Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer 
that

he asks which is in the manual IS help.
Yes, it is help. But how dumb does a person have to be if this is of 
real help?


I don't know the population of Estonia but knowing where to find the 
information can be of more help than memorizing that (changing) fact.


More often than not it's not a matter of a person being dumb as much as 
it is just being lazy.  Why read for help when we can ask a short, 
pointed, and specific question to experts and have them answer just 
my specific floating in the forefront of my head question right now?


It's of real help to try to get people to actually think on their own, 
and use the groups to clarify questions or share experiences or 
practical application information.  But I'm sure we're all guilty of 
asking questions when our needs would have been met by just RTFM at 
some point.  Or at least getting the pointer of where in TFM to look to 
cut down on the search time.


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Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[cali]

I'm not watching the entire thread, so what I write below may seem a bit
out of context.  On the other hand, this particular post shows some of
the few points I don't like about a stream of RTFM responses.

You seem to overvalue ridicule, IMHO.


I was trying to illustrate the ridicule case rather than explicitly advocate 
it, but perhaps I came across as being too strong of an advocate.


I'm assuming that the ridicule approach does work sometimes, personally I 
think it worked for me to some extent.


There is also the silent-ridicule approach, where it is not necessary to 
explicity ridicule the question bearer, under the assumption that the 
question bearer will eventually become self-aware of what is ridiculous, and 
hence self-ridicule and scutinise prior to posting. Clearly in some cases 
the ridicule approach can be an effective primer for this state of mind.


The ridicule approach may not be the most effective primer. In many cases 
the ridicule will result in an increase in frustration and possibly a 
reduction in the users capacity to work the answer out for themselves.


I think, that really only questions, whose answers cannot readily be found 
elsewhere, should be asked on this list.


Part of the question-bearers education, whether that be from the list, or 
from other documentation, should result in the installation of the the 
solve-it-yourself mindset in their head. So that they are more tentative in 
their approach to asking questions, they should also become better problem 
solvers and FreeBSD users as a consequence of having to think for 
themselves.


Part of the FreeBSD education should consist of informing the user how they 
can help themselves, and how they should seek help in the event that the 
self-help fails. If that education scheme was effectively employed, perhaps 
there wouldn't be as many stupid questions.


But then again, perhaps this is the education, the self-realisation of this 
information without it explicitly being enumerated in some accesible form.


Cali 


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Re: Need your advise.

[Bernhard Fischer]

On Wednesday 22 June 2005 21:28, Nuttapon Tharachaikul wrote:
 To Support,
  I'm interest on BSD-OS.
  Please advise me , I'm new to study Linux.
  1. After I created installation-CDROM. It was burned completly.
  But I have a question about the following files ,Does it used for what
 ? - CHECKSUM.MD5

Using the MD5 checksum you can verify if the file you downloaded ist exactly 
the same as the file it should be, e.g. type md5sum 
5.4-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso and compare the result.

  2. I would like to know about the feature of BSD5.4 ,where can I check
 this. Please give me a shortly information that BSD5.4,i386, can handler
 about Clustering ,RAID and can support Physical Ram = 4 GB or not. Have any
 reference information's source the explain the purpose and how to handle of
 its.

Start reading this:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/relnotes.html

bh


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Re: Share Printers, Printing Long.

[Stephan Weaver]

From: Hornet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Hornet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Rick Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: Stephan Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Subject: Re: Share Printers, Printing Long.
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:12:36 -0400

On 6/22/05, Rick Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 6/22/05, Stephan Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I have suscessfully installed my DSL MODEM Behind my FREEBSD Firewall.
  Ever Since i have done this, i noticed that my windows users, when 
trying to

  print to shared printers, it takes very long for them to access the
  printers.
  I have an empty ipf.rules
  and my ip nat rules looks like
  map vr0 192.168.0.0/24 - 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port ftp ftp/tcp
  map vr0 192.168.0.0/24 - 0.0.0.0/32 portmap tcp/udp 4:6
  map vr0 192.168.0.0/24 - 0.0.0.0/32
 
 
  my dhcp.conf looks like
  cat /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf
  option domain-name pizzaboys.org;
  option domain-name-servers 192.3.132.1, 196.3.132.4;
 
  default-lease-time 86400;
  max-lease-time 86400;
 
  authoritative;
 
  ddns-update-style none;
 
  log-facility local1;
 
  subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.200;
option routers 192.168.0.2;
  }
 
 
  Any Assistance Please

 Are the shared printers in the 192.168.0/24 subnet?  Are they
 connected to workstation that get their IP through DHCP?  What are you
 using for workstation name resolution?  What are you using for a port
 type on the windows machines, \\workstation\printer?
 is it DSL--firewall-- workstationsprinters?

 Looks to me like it is a name resolution thing.  Your DNS servers are
 outside your subnet and probably doesn't know what is in your network.

Yes, I would agree, if you are printing to shares, \\workstation\printer.
You may need to run a WINS server. or create an lmhosts file on each box.


 Answer these questions and I can probably give you some ideas.

 Cheers,
 Rick
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YES -  - - - Are the shared printers in the 192.168.0/24 subnet?
They Get the IP From the FreeBSD Machine  -- - - Are they connected to 
workstation that get their IP through DHCP?


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help with a failed install

[Brian Duke]

The BTX loader fails right after the initial setup screen. I press any
option except install prompt and it fails.

 

I have :

Gateway ALR 9200

4 processor xeon 500's 

1 gig ram 

1 adaptec 3200S scsi card running modified raid 5

6 drives. 2 sets of striped 3 and mirrored.

 

I am having a difficult time finding anything that will load in this box. 

I prefer FreeBSD if possible. I've googled for a couple days and didn't find
much help.

Can someone help me get past this first hurdle?

 

The OS I am loading is currently FreeBSD 5.3 

I went to adaptec and found some information about FreeBSD 4.11 and  tried
that version as well. 

I can get Solaris 10 to load but it fails to find the raid as a valid drive.

Fedora Core 2 also boots and says it can't find a drive.

The Raid boots up fine and builds with no faults. 

I have an adaptec driver but I need to install enough to pkg_add the file.

 

When I install a little 850 meg IDE drive and set that to master, Still the
btx loader dies. Here is what the final screen says:

 

/boot/kernel/acpi.ko text=0x3fbfc data=0x1c04+0x112c
syms=[0x4+0x72f0+0x4+0x97c7] 

/ 

int=000d  err=  efl=00030002  eip=5755

eax=0001  ebx=0008  ecx=39ff  edx=0082 

esi=579c  edi=e873  edi=03ba  esp=037e 

cs=f000 ds=0040 es=f000 fs=9dc0 gs=f000 ss=9c46 

cs:eip=2e 0f 01 14 0f 20 c0 0c-01 0f 22 c0 eb 00 8e db

   8e c3 8e e3 8e eb 0f 20-c0 24 fc 0f 22 c0 ea 78

ss:esp=11 64 08 00 01 00 00 00-00 f0 c0 9d 02 02 51 e8

   05 00 c2 ee 05 00 00 f0-00 00 1a 7d c4 5e dd e6 

BTX Halted

 

I think I copied all that correctly.

 

Has anyone got a quick idea why this fails right off?

Does this mean I need to set the same flags as what Adi Pircalabu suggested
in the help !!! thread?

 

 When the boot menu appears, try this:

- escape to loader prompt

- set hint.acpi.0.disabled=1

- set hint.atkbd.0.flags=0x9

- boot

 

Would this help me? In this case I'm lost here.

 

 

 

Brian Duke

Blue Incorporated.

-=-_-==--=_-=┐ 

 

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Mainboard E7520 and FreeBSD 5.x

[Admin]

Dear Sir,

We have the server with mainboard E7520 Master Series
MS-9136 SSI Server Board with Dual Intel Xeon 2,8 MHz,
two HDD SCSI 73Gbyte (without RAID controller) and one HDD IDE 120Gbyte.
We have some problems to install the operating system FreeBSD 5.x.
We trying install the operating system FreeBSD 5.x, but the installing
program don't see the SCSI and IDE discs. There is an infinite search
of parameters of the SCSI drive, but don't finish it, and don't begin
the tuning of the kernel parameters.

My be operating system FreeBSD 5.x installed on this system?
Please, help us.

Sincerely yours,
Iwan I. Giesbrecht
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http://www.msfu.ru


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Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15

[Sadashiv Kulthe]

Hello,

I come to know that My system do not have Syslog daemon or command.
Now I want to install port or package will give me syslog command.

Please suggest me, how can I find specific port name, which will give
me desired command on my system.

Regards
Sadashiv Kulthe
RHCE, System Support Enginner,
OSL, Vyom Labs Pvt Ltd
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how to install desired port

[Sadashiv Kulthe]

Hello,

I come to know that My system do not have Syslog daemon or command.
Now I want to install port or package will give me syslog command.

Please suggest me, how can I find specific port name, which will give
me desired command on my system. How to solve dependancies?

Regards
Sadashiv Kulthe
RHCE, System Support Enginner,
OSL, Vyom Labs Pvt Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
91 20 403 3655
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FreeBSD 5.4 / linux-opera

[Thomas Hill]

Greetings,

I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 on a Dell Latitude C-series (CPx) with a
custom kernel config, updated ports collection, and other
modifications...

Everything (except one thing) thus far works great.

However, I was previously using the web browser Opera under Linux
emulation because it supports lots of the browser plugins But now
when installing linux-opera from the ports collection it complains
about libX11.so.6, which I know is a common X11 library. Oh yes, and
it doesn't run at all now.

Just wondering, is anyone using linux-opera 8.02 on FreeBSD 5.4 and
experiencing the same problem.

All the best,

Thomas
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Re: FreeBSD 5.4 / linux-opera

[Adi Pircalabu]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:53:33 -0400
Thomas Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 However, I was previously using the web browser Opera under Linux
 emulation because it supports lots of the browser plugins But now
 when installing linux-opera from the ports collection it complains
 about libX11.so.6, which I know is a common X11 library. Oh yes, and
 it doesn't run at all now.

Hi,
do you have x11/linux-XFree86-libs port installed? What is its version?

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how to resolve depedencies and install desired package?

[Sadashiv Kulthe]

Hello,

When I try to install yahoo messenger on my system, it gives following messages.

-bash-2.05b# pkg_add fbsd4.ymessenger.tgz
pkg_add: could not find package gtk-1.2.3 !
pkg_add: could not find package glib-1.2.3 !
pkg_add: could not find package XFree86-3.3.6 !
pkg_add: could not find package gdk-pixbuf-0.8.0 !
pkg_add: could not find package gettext-0.11.1_1 !

Please suggest, how to resolve depedencies  and install desired package?

Regards
Sadashiv Kulthe
System Support Enginner,
OSL, Vyom Labs Pvt Ltd
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91 20 403 3655
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RE: how to install desired port

[fbsd_user]

Syslog is built into the base release of FreeBSD.
Do [man syslog} on command line for details

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Hello,

I come to know that My system do not have Syslog daemon or
command.
Now I want to install port or package will give me syslog command.

Please suggest me, how can I find specific port name, which will
give
me desired command on my system. How to solve dependancies?

Regards
Sadashiv Kulthe
RHCE, System Support Enginner,
OSL, Vyom Labs Pvt Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
91 20 403 3655
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Re: courier mailer

[dick hoogendijk]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:53:21 +0200
Milan Obuch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thursday 23 June 2005 14:26, dick hoogendijk wrote:
  Hello
 
  Can someone please tell me when it will be possible again to install
  courier to replace sendmail?
 
  What will happen if I change the makefile in mail/courier and remove
  the BROKEN statement. Will it compile and install then? What file
  permissions exactly will be changed?
 
  And why does it take _so_ long to have courier back. Will it ever be
  back?
 
 Yes, it took long already. I was upset too and prepared my
 personal/unofficial  0.50.0 port. It need some more polishing, but it
 works reasonably well for me  and (hopefully) for others too. Please
 try it. You can find it at  http://porst.dino.sk. I will try to find
 some more time to get this PR'ed and  hopefully commited, your
 feedback in this issue is really welcome. Regards,
 Milan

OK, not quite the answer to my question. I really would like an official
port, but hey, it's no production server, so I guess..

I take it you unpack in /usr/ports/mail and then do a portinstall
mail/courier-0.50.0 ?
Install authlib first (I know ;-)
Are the other options like the old port? And what is reasonably well

And why is this very good mailer NOT supported on FreeBSD?

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Re: support for ICH6R controller and Broadcom ethernet

[Jim Mozley]

Steve Bertrand wrote:
 




I have a box with the same chipset. I have 2 160GB SATA drives in a
RAID1 config, which FBSD 5.4 sees 2 disks, as opposed to the single RAID
subsystem. I install on one of the disks.

However, when I reboot the box, I get a flashing cursor in the top left
corner of the screen as if it's going to boot, but it stays there. No
errors nothing.

I'll be trying this out again tomorrow, so I'll let you know if I find
anything.


Thanks, it would be appreciated.

Jim
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Re: how to install desired port

[Kevin Kinsey]

Sadashiv Kulthe wrote:


Hello,

I come to know that My system do not have Syslog daemon or command.
Now I want to install port or package will give me syslog command.

Please suggest me, how can I find specific port name, which will give
me desired command on my system. How to solve dependancies?

Regards
Sadashiv Kulthe
RHCE, System Support Enginner,
OSL, Vyom Labs Pvt Ltd
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91 20 403 3655
 




No syslog daemon?

[513] Thu 23.Jun.2005 9:08:00
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whereis syslogd
syslogd: /usr/sbin/syslogd /usr/share/man/man8/syslogd.8.gz 
/usr/src/usr.sbin/syslogd


Can't answer re: syslog command ... I assume it's a Linuxism?

What's it supposed to do?

Kevin Kinsey
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Newbie - Trouble Installing Gnome2

[Lawrence Petrykanyn]

Hi,

In order to have a clean start, I installed FreeBSD 5.4 from
scratch (disc1, only).  I choose the installation option All system
sources, binaries and and X Window System.  Everything went well.  The
first thing I did after the system rebooted was a portupgrade -a.  Then I
did a cvsup with the following supfile...

*default tag=.
*default host=cvsup10.FreeBSD.org
*default prefix=/usr
*default base=/var/db
*default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress

src-all
ports-all

..as per instructions in Appendix A of the Handbook.  That went
well.  Then I ran cvs mysupfile.  It ran for quite a while, but gave no
error messages, so I guess it went well.  Then I did Xorg -configure and
everything worked okay and got into xterm.

Next I went to /usr/ports/x11/gnome2 and did make install
clean.  This ran for hours, occasionally prompting me for preferences, then
it stopped.  Here is what it said...

Attempting to fetch from
ftp://ftp-FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ghostscript/.
fetch: ghostscripts-fonts-std-8.11.tar.gz: local modification
does not match remote
= Couldn't find it - please try to retrieve this
= port manually in /usr/ports/distfiles/ghostscript and try
again.
***Error Code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/print/gsfonts
***Error Code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript-gnu
***Error Code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/print/ggv
***Error Code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/gnome2

...so, what happened?  I am a newbie and don't understand what
porting manually to retrieve this file means.  Should I just start from
scratch again and reinstall?  I don't have any files on my disk that I have
to back up.  And if/when I reinstall, is it sufficient to just select the
Average User distribution set and just add additional files, as I need
them?

Any advice, comments and suggestions would be very appreciated
at this time.

Thanks in advance,
Lawrence
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RE: how to resolve depedencies and install desired package?

[fbsd_user]

You used the wrong format of the pkg_add command. The way you used
it manes you have all the needed packages on your system already.
User pkg_add -r ymesssenger  to get the package and all the
dependant packages from the internet server and have them auto
installed for you.

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Subject: how to resolve depedencies and install desired package?


Hello,

When I try to install yahoo messenger on my system, it gives
following messages.

-bash-2.05b# pkg_add fbsd4.ymessenger.tgz
pkg_add: could not find package gtk-1.2.3 !
pkg_add: could not find package glib-1.2.3 !
pkg_add: could not find package XFree86-3.3.6 !
pkg_add: could not find package gdk-pixbuf-0.8.0 !
pkg_add: could not find package gettext-0.11.1_1 !

Please suggest, how to resolve depedencies  and install desired
package?

Regards
Sadashiv Kulthe
System Support Enginner,
OSL, Vyom Labs Pvt Ltd
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91 20 403 3655
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Re: ipfw2 filtering on bridge

[Alin-Adrian Anton]

Ben wrote:
I'm sorry, I can't send this to the list because my messages to the list 
bounce because reverse DNS isn't set up.




No worries, thanks a lot for answering.

This is funny, I just set this up for the first time yesterday except I 
set everything up to have no IP addresses so that the firewall would be 
invisible to anyone. I think I see what is wrong with your setup...


You've got to change net.link.ether.bridge_ipfw=1 to 
net.link.ether.bridge.ipfw=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf. The handbook 
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-bridging.html) 
says that net.link.ether.bridge_ipfw=1 was updated in 5.2-RELEASE.




net.link.ether.bridge.enable=1
net.link.ether.bridge.config=fxp0,fxp1
net.link.ether.bridge_ipfw=1

# sysctl net.link.ether.bridge.ipfw=1
net.link.ether.bridge.ipfw: 1 - 1
#

# ipfw add deny icmp from any to any
00100 deny icmp from any to any
#

# ipfw show
00100  0 0 deny icmp from any to any
65535 931748 651891769 allow ip from any to any
#

PING EXT_IP_BEHIND_BRIDGE: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from EXT_IP_BEHIND_BRIDGE: icmp_seq=0 ttl=233 time=74.399 ms
64 bytes from EXT_IP_BEHIND_BRIDGE: icmp_seq=1 ttl=233 time=106.194 ms

Seems not to be working :(

Yours,
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IPFILTER 'again' ?

[Stephan Weaver]

Hello,

I notice this in my /var/log/ipfilter.log.
23/06/2005 10:36:06.691347 vr0 @0:29 b 196.3.132.4,53 - 192.168.1.1,61827 
PR udp len 20 66 IN
23/06/2005 10:36:07.652341 vr0 @0:29 b 196.3.132.4,53 - 192.168.1.1,61828 
PR udp len 20 70 IN



Which should never occur. Since My Rules Look like.
ipf.rules
--
block in all
block out all

pass in quick on lo0 all
pass out quick on lo0 all

pass in quick on vr1 all
pass out quick on vr1 all

pass out quick on vr0 from any to any keep state

pass in quick on vr0 proto tcp from 196.3.132.1 to any port = 53 keep state
pass in quick on vr0 proto udp from 196.3.132.1 to any port = 53 keep state
pass in quick on vr0 proto tcp from 196.3.132.4 to any port = 53 keep state
pass in quick on vr0 proto udp from 196.3.132.4 to any port = 53 keep state


# Block all inbound traffic from non-routable or reserved address spaces
block in log quick on vr0 from 192.168.0.0/16 to any   #RFC 1918 private IP
block in log quick on vr0 from 172.16.0.0/12 to any#RFC 1918 private IP
block in log quick on vr0 from 10.0.0.0/8 to any   #RFC 1918 private IP
block in log quick on vr0 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any  #loopback
block in log quick on vr0 from 0.0.0.0/8 to any#loopback
block in log quick on vr0 from 169.254.0.0/16 to any   #DHCP auto-config
block in log quick on vr0 from 192.0.2.0/24 to any #reserved for doc's
block in log quick on vr0 from 204.152.64.0/23 to any  #Sun cluster 
interconnect
block in log quick on vr0 from 224.0.0.0/3 to any   #Class D  E 
multicast



# Block frags
block in quick on vr0 all with frags
# Block short tcp packets
block in quick on vr0 proto tcp all with short
# Block source routed packets
block in quick on vr0 all with opt lsrr
block in quick on vr0 all with opt ssrr
# Block nmap OS fingerprint attempts
# Log first occurrence of these so I can get their IP address
block in log first quick on vr0 proto tcp all flags FUP
block in log first quick on vr0 proto tcp all flags SF/SFRA
block in log first quick on vr0 proto tcp all flags /SFRA
block in log first quick on vr0 proto tcp all flags F/SFRA
block in log first quick on vr0 proto tcp all flags U/SFRAU
block in log first quick on vr0 proto tcp all flags P
# Block anything with special options
block in quick on vr0 all with ipopts
# Block public pings
block in log quick on vr0 proto icmp all icmp-type 8


# Block and log only first occurrence of all remaining traffic
# coming into the firewall. The logging of only the first
# occurrence stops a .denial of service. attack targeted
# at filling up your log file space.
# This rule enforces the block all by default logic.
block in log first quick on vr0 all





Thanks,
Stephan Weaver
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Re: Newbie - Trouble Installing Gnome2

[RW]

On Thursday 23 June 2005 03:14, Lawrence Petrykanyn wrote:
...
 Next I went to /usr/ports/x11/gnome2 and did make install
 clean.  This ran for hours, occasionally prompting me for preferences,
 then it stopped.  Here is what it said...

 Attempting to fetch from
 ftp://ftp-FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ghostscript/.
 fetch: ghostscripts-fonts-std-8.11.tar.gz: local modification
 does not match remote

I'm assuming it actually said: 
 local modification *time* does not match remote

If that's correct then try adding:

FETCH_CMD=   fetch -FARr

to /etc/make.conf.

By default fetch checks that a partially complete file matches the datestamp 
of the remote file, this. This is supposed to stop you continue downloading a 
file that has been modified, but in practice I find this check overwhelmingly 
produces false-positives. The integrity of the file is decided  by md5 
anyway. 
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Re Custom kernel config questions linux user

[Daniel Gonzalez]

Hello,
I was wondering if anyone could provide me an answer to the
following questions. Please keep in mind that by default I learned Unix
on a Linux system, so... please no flames :(.

I was a Slackware devotee for about 4 years and a SuSe user for 2
before moving to FreeBSD. Nothing wrong with cutting your teeth on a Linux
system to get comfortable with a Unix-like OS. One thing I found out by
switching to FreeBSD is the documentation (online/print) is far superior to 
what's out there for Linux.

 1) Is there any sort of configuration interface (ncurses, X, etc),
or am I 'stuck' with 'manually configuring' a textfile?

That depends on what you want to configure. I prefer using editors on the 
files as I
seem to better understand the programs I'm configuring. Check ports/packages 
to see if there are GUIs.
Chances are that there will be some sort of GUIs for configuring most of a 
FreeBSD system. Check out SWAT or 
I think there may be something called Webmin?

 2) Is there a complete list of features which can be enabled for the
kernel, other what was in the GENERIC configuration file?

The FreeBSD handbook section on rebuilding kernels, I believe refers you to 
the NOTES section under the /usr/src directory
which will list options to be added to the kernel for extra performance 
tweaks for your specific system/processor.

 3) What is needed for the FreeBSD kernel and what modules need to be
compiled in order to use IDE CD-burning. In linux previous to kernel
version 2.6.8 I know that SCSI was required, but now they are doing
proper IDE emulation.

Your best bet is to check out this link: 
http://networking.ringofsaturn.com/Unix/FreeBSD-Burning.php
It's the same link I used to get info for IDE CD-burning on FreeBSD (5.4RC2). 
I also used the online FreeBSD Handbook which has
been an outstanding source of information on rebuilding kernels (among many 
other things).

 Thanks, I'll most likely have more questions later.
-Garrett

No problem with the questions. I gauge my knowledge of a subject by how well 
I can explain it to someone else

-- 
Dan Gonzalez
spammesilly at gmail dot com
IM: signulth
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Re: Newbie - Trouble Installing Gnome2

[cali]

   Attempting to fetch from
ftp://ftp-FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ghostscript/.
   fetch: ghostscripts-fonts-std-8.11.tar.gz: local modification
does not match remote
   = Couldn't find it - please try to retrieve this
   = port manually in /usr/ports/distfiles/ghostscript and try
again.



   ...so, what happened?


I did a search on google for the line local modification does not match 
remote, one of the responses was from the freebsd-questions mailing list


http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2003-December/030315.html

the end result was


On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 11:28, Michael A. Alestock wrote:
fetch: cvsup-snap-16.1h.tar.gz: local modification time does not match 
remote

Either



a) Remove file from /usr/ports/distfiles and try again



or



b) Fetch file manually into /usr/ports/distfiles



... in addition to (if checksum announced in ports is wrong, which
sometimes happen) possibly either a) making new checksum with `make
makesum` or b) remove distinfo file.



HTH


So the idea is that the remote file failed to match some security criteria 
so it was not downloaded, the resolution is explained correctly by the 
response from HTH repeated above for your convenience.


Google also returned:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-June/089503.html

So in the future, I suggest, looking on the mailing list archive first 
because you might find the answer to your question there.


Cali 


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sysctl

[Sadashiv Kulthe]

Hello,

Sorry! I say syslog is not there but it is there with problems !!!

-bash-2.05b# /usr/sbin/syslogd
syslogd: child pid 39793 exited with return code 1

My System do not have Sysctl .. how can I bring sysctl to my system.

Sadashiv
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RE: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Steve Bertrand]

 I think, that really only questions, whose answers cannot 
 readily be found elsewhere, should be asked on this list.

I disagree. For those working in a 24x7 uptime situation and a critical
problem arises, we all now that time is of the essence. I have no
problem someone asking a reasonably descriptive question even if it is
somewhat readily available on the 'Net if they can use that 10 minutes
of search time to conduct other emergency procedures while waiting an
answer from the list.

For the most part, yes, only non-readily available answers should be
posted to the list, but there are circumstances where the list can
provide, as someone else suggested a quick RTFM, here is the link to
what you are looking for.

A new user may take this as offensive, but it only really takes reading
a handful of threads in this FBSD-q list for anyone to realize that
people do really get honest, feasable, accurate and friendly help here.

 Part of the FreeBSD education should consist of informing the 
 user how they can help themselves, and how they should seek 
 help in the event that the self-help fails. If that education 
 scheme was effectively employed, perhaps there wouldn't be as 
 many stupid questions.

Yes, but how does one inform the user of the self-help approach.
Obviously putting that education in the handbook would be moot as they
likely haven't read the handbook anyway ;)

Steve



 
 Cali 
 
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Re: sysctl

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-06-23 20:45, Sadashiv Kulthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 Sorry! I say syslog is not there but it is there with problems !!!

 -bash-2.05b# /usr/sbin/syslogd
 syslogd: child pid 39793 exited with return code 1

 My System do not have Sysctl .. how can I bring sysctl to my system.

sysctl is a very different beast from syslogd.  It seems that you're
confusing the two.

What is the *REAL* problem you're trying to solve?

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RE: sysctl

[fbsd_user]

Please do your home work and read the man sysctl page before just
posting messages.

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Kulthe
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:15 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: sysctl


Hello,

Sorry! I say syslog is not there but it is there with problems !!!

-bash-2.05b# /usr/sbin/syslogd
syslogd: child pid 39793 exited with return code 1

My System do not have Sysctl .. how can I bring sysctl to my
system.

Sadashiv
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netgraph startup

[Reid Linnemann]

I'm using netgraph to bridge a few interfaces on a -CURRENT system.
I've used the example bridge script
/usr/share/examples/netgraph/ether.bridge, and it works perfectly after
setting the interface vars.

However, there are no rc.d hooks (that I am aware of) that will kick off
netgraph scripts on system boot, forcing me to manually run the netgraph
script at each reboot. I'm sure I could hack the script to give it
rcorder keywords and handlers for rcng arguments, but that seems to be
an overworked solution. I'm curious, how have other netgraph users have
solved this problem?
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Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Michael H. Semcheski]

On Thursday 23 June 2005 11:24 am, Steve Bertrand wrote:
  I think, that really only questions, whose answers cannot
  readily be found elsewhere, should be asked on this list.

 For the most part, yes, only non-readily available answers should be
 posted to the list, but there are circumstances where the list can
 provide, as someone else suggested a quick RTFM, here is the link to
 what you are looking for.

I think the answers that someone who has been using FreeBSD for 6 days or 6 
weeks can find are going to be a small subset of the set of answers found by 
someone who has been using FreeBSD for 6 years.

Often on mailing lists, I've been pointed in the ride direction.  If you say 
something as simple as check out man 8 sysctl, thats teaching someone to 
fish.  We aren't all born super-geniuses, but with a little help most of us 
can get on our way.

The other thing is if you do a google search for an error message you're 
having, you're likely to find archives of mailing lists.  Remember that when 
you answer a question.  This may come back and help someone out in a few 
years.  


  Part of the FreeBSD education should consist of informing the
  user how they can help themselves, and how they should seek
  help in the event that the self-help fails. If that education
  scheme was effectively employed, perhaps there wouldn't be as
  many stupid questions.

 Yes, but how does one inform the user of the self-help approach.
 Obviously putting that education in the handbook would be moot as they
 likely haven't read the handbook anyway ;)

Nobody starts out wanting to become an expert, they just want to accomplish a 
task.  Eventually, they may actually become an expert, or have the self-help 
skills to solve problems on their own.  With trial and error, you eventually 
find that asking for help is not the quickest or most reliable way to solve a 
problem in every case.  But, thats a necessary lesson to learn nonetheless.


Mike
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Re: Re Custom kernel config questions linux user

[Subhro]

On 6/23/2005 20:24, Daniel Gonzalez wrote:


Hello,
I was wondering if anyone could provide me an answer to the
following questions. Please keep in mind that by default I learned Unix
on a Linux system, so... please no flames :(.
 

Flames??!! What for? Buddy we have better work to do than say My OS 
superior than yours:-) Both Linux and *BSD are great OS.



1) Is there any sort of configuration interface (ncurses, X, etc),
or am I 'stuck' with 'manually configuring' a textfile?
 

Configuration for what? Some applications do have some kind of GUI 
(ncurses maybe) interface. But text files work everywhere. Also more 
convenient when you are on a low bandwidth remote terminal.


FreeBSD system. Check out SWAT or 
I think there may be something called Webmin?
 

Yeh Webmin is a tool. But you need lots of things to work right (for 
example, apache, a few libraries) to ensure that you can even start up 
webmin.



2) Is there a complete list of features which can be enabled for the
kernel, other what was in the GENERIC configuration file?
 


Of course. Refer to the NOTES (LINT in 4.* family).


Thanks
S.
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Re: libc

[Kris Kennaway]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:39:11PM +0200, Chris Knipe wrote:
 Lo all,
 
 Is there anywhere that I can see what has changed from FreeBSD 4.11 to 
 FreeBSD 5.x, in regards to libc ?

The CVS logs are public, e.g. http://cvsweb.freebsd.org/, but there
are literally thousands of changes.

Kris


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Re: how to install desired port

[Kevin Kinsey]

Hello Sadashiv,

Please leave the [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: in your replies.


Sadashiv Kulthe wrote:


Hello,

Sorry! I say syslog is not there but it is there with problems !!!

-bash-2.05b# /usr/sbin/syslogd
syslogd: child pid 39793 exited with return code 1

Sysctl daemon is not there .. how can I bring sysctl to my system.

Sadashiv
 




[520] Thu 23.Jun.2005 11:00:48
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
# whereis sysctl
sysctl: /sbin/sysctl /usr/share/man/man8/sysctl.8.gz /usr/src/sbin/sysctl

[521] Thu 23.Jun.2005 11:00:56
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# apropos sysctl
blackhole(4) - a sysctl(8) MIB for manipulating behaviour in 
respect

of refused TCP or UDP connection attempts
syncache(4), syncookies(4) - sysctl(8) MIBs for controlling TCP SYN caching
sysctl(3), sysctlbyname(3), sysctlnametomib(3) - get or set system 
information

sysctl(8)- get or set kernel state
sysctl.conf(5)   - kernel state defaults
sysctl_add_oid(9), sysctl_move_oid(9), sysctl_remove_oid(9) - runtime 
sysctl tre

e manipulation
sysctl_ctx_init(9), sysctl_ctx_free(9), sysctl_ctx_entry_add(9), 
sysctl_ctx_entr
y_find(9), sysctl_ctx_entry_del(9) - sysctl context for managing 
dynamically cre

ated sysctl oids

HTH,

KDK
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Re: Newbie - Trouble Installing Gnome2

[RW]

On Thursday 23 June 2005 16:10, cali wrote:
 Attempting to fetch from
  ftp://ftp-FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ghostscript/.
 fetch: ghostscripts-fonts-std-8.11.tar.gz: local modification
  does not match remote
 = Couldn't find it - please try to retrieve this
 = port manually in /usr/ports/distfiles/ghostscript and try
  again.
 
 ...so, what happened?

 I did a search on google for the line local modification does not match
 remote, one of the responses was from the freebsd-questions mailing list

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2003-December/030315.h
tml

 the end result was

 On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 11:28, Michael A. Alestock wrote:
  fetch: cvsup-snap-16.1h.tar.gz: local modification time does not match
  remote
 
 Either
 
 a) Remove file from /usr/ports/distfiles and try again
 
 or
 
 b) Fetch file manually into /usr/ports/distfiles
 
 ... in addition to (if checksum announced in ports is wrong, which
 sometimes happen) possibly either a) making new checksum with `make
 makesum` or b) remove distinfo file.
 
 HTH

 So the idea is that the remote file failed to match some security criteria
 so it was not downloaded, the resolution is explained correctly by the
 response from HTH repeated above for your convenience.

 Google also returned:

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-June/089503.html

 So in the future, I suggest, looking on the mailing list archive first
 because you might find the answer to your question there.

IMHO the standard answer is a poor one - probably because most knowledgable 
people on this list have good fast connections, and rarely see this problem. 

When I was on dial-up, I saw this frequently because of regular 
disconnections.  After a while I started manually restarting the downloads. 
Out of nine restarts only one file went on to fail it's MD5 check, and that 
one failed due to an incorrect value stored in the port. After I added the -F  
switch to the fetch command the problem went away without any ill effects. 
There are no security implications to this, your still protected by the MD5 
hash.

If a file does fail an MD5 check, it's worth deleting and redownloading it 
once. But after that IMO it's best to wait for the port to be fixed, unless 
you are sure of the file's provenance, or absolutely can't wait. Distfiles 
come from many different servers with different levels of security. A file 
*might* be failing it's MD5 check because someone has broken into the 
ftp/http server and uploaded modified source.
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Intel SE7320VP2 board + Marvell 88E8050 nic.

[jaco]

Hi all,

I am not quite sure if this question belongs on freebsd-questions@ or
freebsd-current@ , but I will try here first.

Does anyone know the status of the support for Marvell gigabit nic's ?
Escpecially the ones that is shipped with the Intel SE7320VP2 Server board
which is Marvell 88E8050.

I read in the archives that somebody is busy working on it, but I can not
seem to locate any more info on this.

Basically I do not care if there is support for 1000Mbit, I just want to
use the card, even if it is in 100Mbit mode. :)

I want to use this on 5.4-STABLE or maybe 6-CURRENT, seeing that 6-CURRENT
is more or less stable (well, way more than 5-CURRENT was in the early
days anyway :P ).

Does anyone perhaps know if this is possible?

Thank you in advance.
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Apache2 + mod_python problems

[Chad Morland]

I am having problems getting mod_python and apache2 ports to work properly.

Here are the relevant ports that I have installed:
apache-2.0.54
mod_python-3.1.4_1
python-2.4.1_1

When I try and start apache I get the following:

pxetest# apachectl start
Syntax error on line 276 of /usr/local/etc/apache2/httpd.conf:
Cannot load /usr/local/libexec/apache2/mod_python.so into server:
/usr/local/libexec/apache2/mod_python.so: Undefined symbol
pthread_attr_init

Line 276 is the mod_python LoadModule line. I've changed my LogLevel
to debug but nothing is printed in the error_log.

Thanks in advance for the help!

-CM
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Re: IPFILTER 'again' ?

[Norberto Meijome]

Stephan Weaver wrote:

Hello,

I notice this in my /var/log/ipfilter.log.
23/06/2005 10:36:06.691347 vr0 @0:29 b 196.3.132.4,53 - 
192.168.1.1,61827 PR udp len 20 66 IN
23/06/2005 10:36:07.652341 vr0 @0:29 b 196.3.132.4,53 - 
192.168.1.1,61828 PR udp len 20 70 IN


which one is rule #29? ( ipfstat -ion ). that's the one that's hitting 
to get blocked.


FWIW, my counting from the top (skipping comments) is


block in log first quick on vr0 proto tcp all flags U/SFRAU


... i cant make much sense of this (no surprises there :-D), tcp rule 
blocking udp...so I'm pretty certain I'm wrong in something obvious.


cheers,
beto

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syslog is missing?, was: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15

[Chuck Swiger]

Sadashiv Kulthe wrote:

I come to know that My system do not have Syslog daemon or command.
Now I want to install port or package will give me syslog command.

Please suggest me, how can I find specific port name, which will give
me desired command on my system.


Perhaps you're looking for /usr/bin/logger?

FreeBSD comes with syslog as part of the base system.  If you update your 
system via a buildworld/buildkernel cycle, you will end up installing syslogd, 
logger, and friends if they are actually missing.


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Re: Mainboard E7520 and FreeBSD 5.x

[Chuck Swiger]

Admin wrote:

We have the server with mainboard E7520 Master Series
MS-9136 SSI Server Board with Dual Intel Xeon 2,8 MHz,
two HDD SCSI 73Gbyte (without RAID controller) and one HDD IDE 120Gbyte.
We have some problems to install the operating system FreeBSD 5.x.
We trying install the operating system FreeBSD 5.x, but the installing
program don't see the SCSI and IDE discs. There is an infinite search
of parameters of the SCSI drive, but don't finish it, and don't begin
the tuning of the kernel parameters.


First, make sure you are using FreeBSD 5.4.  Second, try updating your BIOS on 
the motherboard and on your SCSI card, often this may help.


You may have to adjust some BIOS settings, so experiment.  In particular, what 
you want is for the BIOS to recognize your devices and assign them as drive C: 
(0x80), D: (0x81), etc.  If this doesn't happen, your MB may simply not deal 
with both SCSI and IDE being present at the same time.  If so, try doing the 
install with just the IDE drive present.


For more help, it would be useful to know what your SCSI controller is and 
whether it is supported.  Check the FreeBSD release notes.


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Re: private/internal db file question...

[Gary Kline]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:36:15PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
 On 2005-06-22 19:36, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In named.conf I have two files; one is the .rev table:
 
  zone db.private {
type master;
file /etc/namedb/s/db.private;
allow-query {
 127.0.0.1/32; 10.0.0.0/8;
 };
  };
 
  zone db/private.rev {
type master;
file /etc/namedb/s/db.private.rev;
allow-query {
 127.0.0.1/32; 10.0.0.0/8;
 };
  };
 
 Something is very wrong above.  You're not supposed to use db.private
 (i.e. the name of the _FILE_ that stores the zone records) as the first
 argument of the zone configuration directive.
 

I stared at named.conf for ten minutes before seeing what 
you meant.  I think.  How about 
^zone private{
};

and

^zone private.rev {
}

???

This is my entry for db.thought.org. The zone name is simply
thought.org.


zone thought.org {
type master;
file /etc/namedb/s/db.thought.org;
allow-update{
   }; 
...

};


  ;namettlclasstypedata
  1INPTRlocalhost
  1   INPTRsage
  220 INPTRethic
  247 INPTRtao
  249 INPTRzen
 
  These look mostly ok, but you may want to fix the following:
 
- localhost is usually assigned to 127.0.0.1, not 10.0.0.1
- the IN column is *NOT* the TTL (time to live) of a record
 
 
  What would you replace these row tags with?  ((I got these from
  another database file, obv'ly.)
 
  ;namettlclasstypedata
 
  Would:
 
  ;record  class pointer name
 
 More like:
 
 ;name   class   typedata
 1   IN  PTR sage
 

Ok, thanks much!

gary



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Re: Need your advise.

[Chuck Swiger]

Robert Slade wrote:

On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 20:39, Charles Swiger wrote:

[ ... ]
Hmm.  The answer is probably no, FreeBSD doesn't have anything which  
handles NFS or Samba failover transparently.


Chuck,

Sorry to disagree. There is a port of Heartbeat to free BSD, (it is in
the ports). It does handle NFS and Samba failover transparently. In fact
it will handle almost anything that you can start and stop via a script.


I don't mind the disagreement: if the heartbeat port solves this problem, good 
for it.  But by the same token, there are lots of third-party hardware 
loadbalancers and transaction servers and whatnot which use some variant on 
proxy-ARPing and can turn FreeBSD clients into what people call a cluster.


The thing is, you end up having to implement your own syncronization scripts, 
pretty much on a per-service basis.  It's real easy to end up with conflicting 
filesystems when a failure happens.  So it's not quite the same thing as having 
the clustering capability built into the base system, and having the system 
/etc/rc scripts already HA/cluster-aware.


Then again, lots of cluster products which are integrated into the OS, such as 
Microsoft's cluster solution, or Apple's XSAN, or probably even RedHat's HA 
cluster product, don't really deal with syncronization transparently, either-- 
they all seem to want a reliable NAS storage behind the scenes, or a metadata 
controller, or who-knows-what (respectively :-).  Lots of people buy two 
machines, and the Microsoft cluster product, and are real suprised to learn 
that that isn't enough to have a working cluster.


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-Chuck

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removing freebsd bootloader

[Paulo Roberto]

Hello,

How do I remove the FreeBSD bootloader from the MBR without touching
the slices?

I do have an active WinXP primary slice that I would like to boot from
directly.

thank you,

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Re: stat running as www weirdness - genarting INCOMING traffic

[Chuck Swiger]

Ruben Bloemgarten wrote:

I’m seeing weirdness of stat opening up port  4000+ and generating/receiving
enormous amounts of incoming traffic i.e. 400Gb over a 24hour time
period.Does this sound familiar to anyone ? Thanks for any brain usage not
my own.


Insufficient data.  From which port(s) to which port(s), and are the IP 
addresses on the other side the same or a random range (which would imply your 
machine has been hacked and is scanning outwards).


Showing a tcpdump of a few example connections would be really useful.

--
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Re: removing freebsd bootloader

[Micheal Patterson]

Paulo Roberto wrote:


Hello,

How do I remove the FreeBSD bootloader from the MBR without touching
the slices?

I do have an active WinXP primary slice that I would like to boot from
directly.

thank you,

Paulo



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Start up with the WinXP install cd, go into console repair mode and run 
fixmbr to intall the standard WinXP loader settings on the primary 
drive. Doing so will prevent you from being able to boot from any other 
drive however until / unless another boot manager is enabled on the 
primary drive.


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Re: removing freebsd bootloader

[Emanuel Strobl]

Am Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2005 19:25 schrieb Paulo Roberto:
 Hello,

 How do I remove the FreeBSD bootloader from the MBR without touching
 the slices?

Without warranty, but fdisk -B should do the trick. I think it keeps the 
partition table and replaces the boot code of the MBR. Make sure the XP 
slice is marked active, and copy the fdisk output so you can restore it if 
anything goes wrong.

-Harry


 I do have an active WinXP primary slice that I would like to boot from
 directly.

 thank you,

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Re: Need your advise.

[Nuttapon Tharachaikul]

Dear Bernhard,
  Thanks your very much. : )
Best Regards,
Nuttapon T.


From: Bernhard Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,Nuttapon Tharachaikul 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: Need your advise.
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:13:38 +0200

On Wednesday 22 June 2005 21:28, Nuttapon Tharachaikul wrote:
 To Support,
  I'm interest on BSD-OS.
  Please advise me , I'm new to study Linux.
  1. After I created installation-CDROM. It was burned completly.
  But I have a question about the following files ,Does it used for 
what

 ? - CHECKSUM.MD5

Using the MD5 checksum you can verify if the file you downloaded ist 
exactly

the same as the file it should be, e.g. type md5sum
5.4-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso and compare the result.

  2. I would like to know about the feature of BSD5.4 ,where can I 
check

 this. Please give me a shortly information that BSD5.4,i386, can handler
 about Clustering ,RAID and can support Physical Ram = 4 GB or not. Have 
any
 reference information's source the explain the purpose and how to handle 
of

 its.

Start reading this:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/relnotes.html

bh
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Does Firefox 1.0.4 suck, or is it just me ?

[Jeff MacDonald]

Maybe it's just me

I'm running the firefox 1.0.4 from ports. When I open new tabs up, or
new windows the whole jobby tends to freeze up on me pretty hard.

I tried the linux version from ports, which is just a precompiled
version 1.0 it works great, only hitch is that Everytime i click my
icon to run linux-firefox it asks me which profile to use, since
default is already being used.

I'm really loving haveing FreeBSD as a desktop, but this is a tad
frustrating, if anyone can shed some light that would be great.

FreeBSD 5.4 on AMD XP 2600+

Jeff.
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Multiple aliased IP address when using VLAN's on 5.4

[Lists]

Greetings,

I have a situation where I am using multiple VLAN's on one network card. 
 Until recently, each of those VLAN's was on a different subnet, 
and I had no issues.  However, now I need to add several different IP's 
on the same subnet to one of the VLAN's, but I have been unsuccessful. 
It seems aliases are not allowed when using VLAN's, and adding any other 
VLAN interface name on an identical VLAN does not work either..


Any tips?

-- Stephen.
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Re: FreeBSD 5.4 / linux-opera

[Luke Dean]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Thomas Hill wrote:

However, I was previously using the web browser Opera under Linux
emulation because it supports lots of the browser plugins But now
when installing linux-opera from the ports collection it complains
about libX11.so.6, which I know is a common X11 library. Oh yes, and
it doesn't run at all now.

Just wondering, is anyone using linux-opera 8.02 on FreeBSD 5.4 and
experiencing the same problem.


8.02?  The latest thing I can find in the ports collection is
linux-opera-8.01.20050615_2

It runs just great for me; much better than 8.0 did.
libX11.so.6 is a standard X library, but linux-opera needs the linux 
version of the library.  It sounds like you may need to work on getting 
your linux compatibility working.  That's the trickiest part of the 
process.

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Re: SMP and networking under FreeBSD 5.3

[Joe]

Okay, I've been looking and looking for duplicate natd's.

I have the /etc/rc.conf which has natd stuff below, and the only
other place I see it is in ipfw.  

I was able to change my rc and use /etc/rc.d/natd start and that
works.  Which is better as it does not require me to reload my
firewall rules.  

I still don't know why natd refuses to start the first time when
called from ipfw.  

I have no rc.conf.local

Joe

--- Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Joe wrote:
 
 Okay, back on topic.
 
 I've changed my rules in ipfw, and no longer get the hostname
 ..
 messages.  
 
 Now natd does not start and it complains 'unable to bind
 divert
 socket, and then cant assign requested address'.  I'm using:
 
 natd_enable=YES
 natd_interface=dc0
 natd_flags=-dynamic -d -log_ipfw_denied -log_denied
   
 
 
 These are my parameters below which definitely work -- or you
 wouldn't 
 be seeing this email :)  I can't see anything obviously wrong
 with 
 yours; what I would suggest is to start with just -dynamic
 since 
 that's the only one that's *required* for this setup to work
 and see how 
 that does.  I can't find your original rules: I assume that a)
 dc0 *is* 
 your external interface (typos are a common source of errors,
 though I 
 don't think that's the case here) b) you have an
 ifconfig_dc0=DHCP 
 line in /etc/rc.conf.
 
 natd_enable=YES   # Natd packet
 translation
 natd_flags=-log -log_denied -dynamic
 natd_interface=sis0
 ifconfig_sis0=DHCP# External
 network
 
 At startup I get a message like:
 
 Jun 18 10:38:58 natd[701]: Aliasing to 0.0.0.0, mtu 1500 bytes
 
 just after the firewall rules start up.
 
 The divert rule in my firewall says:
 
 ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via ${natd_interface}
 
 If you have static rules rather than a script then you need 
 ${natd_interface} to be replaced directly with dc0.
 
 The other things to check, I guess, are that those are the
 *only* natd 
 lines you have:
 
 egrep natd /etc/rc.conf /etc.rc.conf.local
 
 --Alex
 
 




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Re: sysctl

[Tobias Fendin]

fbsd_user wrote:

Please do your home work and read the man sysctl page before just
posting messages.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sadashiv
Kulthe
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:15 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: sysctl


Hello,

Sorry! I say syslog is not there but it is there with problems !!!

-bash-2.05b# /usr/sbin/syslogd
syslogd: child pid 39793 exited with return code 1

My System do not have Sysctl .. how can I bring sysctl to my
system.

Sadashiv
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Hello

Syslogd quits with return code 1 if an other syslogd is already running. 
To check the status of syslogd try this: /etc/rc.d/syslogd status



Concerning the sysctl problem: Are you sure sysctl is gone, or could it 
be your PATH which is corrupt? sysctl resides in /sbin.


-Tobias
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boot into sigle user from cd

[Eric]

I am building a custom recovery cd and would like to have it boot into 
sigle user mode automatically.


Within the loader.rc file I have:
 set boot_single

which boots into signle usr, however, it prompts for the default shell;

Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:

Is there a way to set the default shell so that it does not prompt?

Thanks
Eric

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Help, I killed my machine.

[Ben Timby]

I was upgrading from 4.10-STABLE to 5.4-STABLE, following the 
instructions in the freebsd handbook and something went wrong.


I used CVSup to update my sources. I built the world and kernel as follows:

cd /usr/src
make buildworld  make buildkernel

I am using the GENERIC config. I had to copy 
/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC.hints to /boot/device.hints. Before the 
above builds worked properly.


I installed the kernel, and rebooted the system.

It booted (mostly) ok, sudo did not work properly, so I had to login as 
root. I did mergemaster -p. I had to add the new proxy user and group 
for pf. After this, I did:


cd /usr/src/
make installworld

during the process, it died in:

/usr/src/bin/test

with Signal 12.

No commands worked after this point, All I received was Signal 12. I 
cannot boot into single user mode, I receive a Signal 12 from any shell 
I try to use.


I understand a Signal 12 is a non-existant system call. The half 
installworld probably caused this.


How can I recover from this?

Thanks.
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Re: Help, I killed my machine.

[Chuck Swiger]

Ben Timby wrote:
[ ... ]
I understand a Signal 12 is a non-existant system call. The half 
installworld probably caused this.


How can I recover from this?


The easiest way is probably to perform an upgrade from a 5.4 CD burned from 
the ISO image.  Make sure you don't repartition or enable newfs, and it will 
leave your existing config files and other stuff alone.


(Note that you do want to have a backup available, first.  Of course, you made 
a backup of your 4.x system, or at least the important bits, before trying to 
do this 4-5 upgrade, right...?)


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Re: Does Firefox 1.0.4 suck, or is it just me ?

[RW]

On Thursday 23 June 2005 18:49, Jeff MacDonald wrote:
 Maybe it's just me

 I'm running the firefox 1.0.4 from ports. When I open new tabs up, or
 new windows the whole jobby tends to freeze up on me pretty hard.

It works for me.
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Re: removing freebsd bootloader

[Paulo Roberto]

Thanks to everyone! I will perform the surgery tonight...

best regards,

Paulo




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Re: Help, I killed my machine.

[Ben Timby]

Chuck Swiger wrote:

Ben Timby wrote:
[ ... ]

I understand a Signal 12 is a non-existant system call. The half 
installworld probably caused this.


How can I recover from this?



The easiest way is probably to perform an upgrade from a 5.4 CD burned 
from the ISO image.  Make sure you don't repartition or enable newfs, 
and it will leave your existing config files and other stuff alone.


I will give this a try.

(Note that you do want to have a backup available, first.  Of course, 
you made a backup of your 4.x system, or at least the important bits, 
before trying to do this 4-5 upgrade, right...?)


But of course!

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Re: private/internal db file question...

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-06-23 10:06, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:36:15PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
   zone db.private {
 type master;
 file /etc/namedb/s/db.private;
 allow-query {
  127.0.0.1/32; 10.0.0.0/8;
  };
   };
  
   zone db/private.rev {
 type master;
 file /etc/namedb/s/db.private.rev;
 allow-query {
  127.0.0.1/32; 10.0.0.0/8;
  };
   };
 
  Something is very wrong above.  You're not supposed to use db.private
  (i.e. the name of the _FILE_ that stores the zone records) as the first
  argument of the zone configuration directive.

   I stared at named.conf for ten minutes before seeing what
   you meant.  I think.  How about
   ^zone private{
   };

   and

   ^zone private.rev {
   }

Sorry for not being clear enough.  The first (string) argument of the
``zone'' configuration directive is the name of the ``zone''.  What
exactly is a ``zone'' is what you are (probably) more inclined to call a
``domain''.

In your case:

-   thought.org *IS* a zone

-   private isn't, unless you use names like laptop.private,
hp2300.private, etc. for all the machines of your internal
network.

-   private.rev is one that I bet an arm and a leg cannot and will not
work, ever.

Reverse zones can only work, AFAIK, if you use the .IN-ADDR.ARPA
scheme of naming them, i.e.:

options {
directory /etc/namedb;
; ...
};
zone 0.0.10.in-addr.arpa. {
type master;
file master/db.10.0.0;
; ...
};

When a name server (yours, for instance) wants to lookup the name (or
names) of the address 10.0.0.1, they transform the IP address to:

1.0.0.10.in-addr.arpa.

and start looking for zones that may match it.  The following will be
looked up, in order:

1.0.0.10.in-addr.arpa.
0.0.10.in-addr.arpa.
0.10.in-addr.arpa.
10.in-addr.arpa.

 This is my entry for db.thought.org. The zone name is simply
 thought.org.

That's because this is a forward resolution, i.e. name = IP address.

To resolve IP addresses, the name servers use the zone names I listed
above in their lookups.  By naming your zone private.rev, you pretty
much guarantee that no name server will be able to resolve IP addresses
to host names for your private network.

- Giorgos

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Re: removing freebsd bootloader

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-06-23 19:31, Emanuel Strobl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2005 19:25 schrieb Paulo Roberto:
  Hello,
  How do I remove the FreeBSD bootloader from the MBR without touching
  the slices?

 Without warranty, but fdisk -B should do the trick. I think it keeps the
 partition table and replaces the boot code of the MBR. Make sure the XP
 slice is marked active, and copy the fdisk output so you can restore it if
 anything goes wrong.

Correct.  You might want to use:

# fdisk -B -b /boot/mbr

to make sure BootEasy is not installed instead of a plain MBR.

Summing it all up in steps, something like the following would be fine:

1. Make sure the correct partition is 'active'.

# fdisk -u /dev/ad0

2. Install plain MBR boot code:

# fdisk -B -b /boot/mbr

3. Reboot

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Re: Does Firefox 1.0.4 suck, or is it just me ?

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 6/23/05, Jeff MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe it's just me
 
 I'm running the firefox 1.0.4 from ports. When I open new tabs up, or
 new windows the whole jobby tends to freeze up on me pretty hard.

Does it look like it pre-fetches links on the new page? Later versions
of FireFox tend to do that, for well understandable but not quite
correct reasons.

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Re: Help, I killed my machine.

[Björn König]

Ben Timby wrote:


[...] I built the world and kernel as follows:


So I guess you didn't followed the step-by-step instructions in the 
migration guide?


http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/migration-guide.html


cd /usr/src
make buildworld  make buildkernel

[...]

I did mergemaster -p.


The -p stands for pre-buildworld mode, i.e. you should run it before 
buildworld. ;-)


I would do a fresh clean installation in your case now.

Björn
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Re: Does Firefox 1.0.4 suck, or is it just me ?

[-]

Are you using KDE? Try disabling tcp blackhole, it tends to slow KDE 
down a lot.


Dmitry Mityugov wrote:


On 6/23/05, Jeff MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Maybe it's just me

I'm running the firefox 1.0.4 from ports. When I open new tabs up, or
new windows the whole jobby tends to freeze up on me pretty hard.
   



Does it look like it pre-fetches links on the new page? Later versions
of FireFox tend to do that, for well understandable but not quite
correct reasons.

 



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Re: Apache2 + mod_python problems

[Csaba Henk]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:18:49PM -0400, Chad Morland wrote:
 I am having problems getting mod_python and apache2 ports to work properly.
 
 Here are the relevant ports that I have installed:
 apache-2.0.54
 mod_python-3.1.4_1
 python-2.4.1_1
 
 When I try and start apache I get the following:
 
 pxetest# apachectl start
 Syntax error on line 276 of /usr/local/etc/apache2/httpd.conf:
 Cannot load /usr/local/libexec/apache2/mod_python.so into server:
 /usr/local/libexec/apache2/mod_python.so: Undefined symbol
 pthread_attr_init

Can it be that you have installed mod_python with thread support
enabled, but your python is w/o thread support?

I had mysterious errors with mod_python (the error messages had nothing
to do with threads) until I disabled threads both in python and
mod_python.

Csaba
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Re: Does Firefox 1.0.4 suck, or is it just me ?

[Jeff MacDonald]

under which options might i find that ?

or is it a sysctl thing ?

Jeff.


On 6/23/05, - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you using KDE? Try disabling tcp blackhole, it tends to slow KDE
 down a lot.
 
 Dmitry Mityugov wrote:
 
 On 6/23/05, Jeff MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Maybe it's just me
 
 I'm running the firefox 1.0.4 from ports. When I open new tabs up, or
 new windows the whole jobby tends to freeze up on me pretty hard.
 
 
 
 Does it look like it pre-fetches links on the new page? Later versions
 of FireFox tend to do that, for well understandable but not quite
 correct reasons.
 
 
 
 
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Re: FreeBSD 5.4 / linux-opera

[Björn König]

Thomas Hill wrote:


But now
when installing linux-opera from the ports collection it complains
about libX11.so.6, which I know is a common X11 library.


Please tell your version and the exact error message.

Björn
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Re: Help, I killed my machine.

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 06/23/05 10:02 PM, Björn König sat at the `puter and typed:
 Ben Timby wrote:
 
  [...] I built the world and kernel as follows:
 
 So I guess you didn't followed the step-by-step instructions in the 
 migration guide?
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/migration-guide.html
 
  cd /usr/src
  make buildworld  make buildkernel
  
  [...]
 
  I did mergemaster -p.
 
 The -p stands for pre-buildworld mode, i.e. you should run it before 
 buildworld. ;-)
 
 I would do a fresh clean installation in your case now.


Uh, careful.  My copy of the FreeBSD handbook
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html)
says to do it this way:

# make buildworld
# make buildkernel
# make installkernel
# reboot

Note: There are a few rare cases when an extra run of mergemaster -p
is needed before the buildworld step. These are described in UPDATING.
In general, though, you can safely omit this step if you are not
updating across one or more major FreeBSD versions.

After installkernel finishes successfully, you should boot in single
user mode (i.e. using boot -s from the loader prompt). Then run:

# mergemaster -p
# make installworld
# mergemaster
# reboot


Every time I have to do an upgrade, one of my crucial steps prior to
reboot is to print out that page and tape it to my right monitor.  I
always forget the right order.  Always.

Lou
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Re: Help, I killed my machine.

[Björn König]

Louis LeBlanc wrote:


On 06/23/05 10:02 PM, Björn König sat at the `puter and typed:

The -p stands for pre-buildworld mode, i.e. you should run it before 
buildworld. ;-)


Uh, careful.  My copy of the FreeBSD handbook
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html)
says to do it this way:

# make buildworld
# make buildkernel
# make installkernel
# reboot

[...]

After installkernel finishes successfully, you should boot in single
user mode (i.e. using boot -s from the loader prompt). Then run:

# mergemaster -p
# make installworld
# mergemaster
# reboot


Indeed.

I read the mergemaster script partially and deceided that it won't hurt 
to run 'mergemaster -p' before 'make buildworld'; and I think that this 
way is the intention of the author of mergemaster too. If I'm mistaken 
then somebody should state the description in mergemaster(8) more 
precisely. I think it is confusing to call it 'pre-buildworld mode' if 
it would be better to execute this command after 'make buildworld' in 
general. I prefer looking into manpages than into the handbook.



Björn

P.S.: I CC'd Doug Barton who wrote most parts of mergemaster.
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RE: stat running as www weirdness - genarting INCOMING traffic

[Ruben Bloemgarten]

After I stopped being lazy ( my sincere apologies) and a little backtracking
I realized I had been seriously compromised.

A cronjob had been installed in /var/tmp/httpd.cron

This contained the following disturbing files :

 drwxr-xr-x  3 www  wheel   512B Jun 23 23:30 ../
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel   327M Jun 22 09:46
my.summer.of.love.2005.italian.md.ts.xvid-mcf.avi
drwxr-xr-x  4 www  wheel   1.0K Jun 22 06:31 ./
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel   482M Jun 21 22:39
My.SuMMer.Of.LoVe.2005.iTaLiaN.MD.TS.XviD-MCF.avi
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel   1.1K Jun 21 07:08 Infodll.state
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel   1.1K Jun 21 07:05 Infodll.state~
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel 0B Jun 19 16:54 PROFONDO_BLU_.avi
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel   6.0K Jun 16 01:05 README.txt
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel   1.5K Jun 12 21:46 httpd.cron
-rwxr-xr-x  1 www  wheel   207K Jun 10 18:52 stat*
drwxr-xr-x  2 www  wheel   512B Jun 10 18:52 obj/
-rwxr-xr-x  1 www  wheel  59.8K Jun 10 18:51 convertxdccfile*
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel   4.2K Jun 10 18:51 Makefile
drwxr-xr-x  2 www  wheel   512B Jun 10 18:51 src/
-r--r--r--  1 www  wheel  22.6K Jan 17 00:17 sample.config
-r--r--r--  1 www  wheel  15.6K Jan 17 00:17 COPYING
-r--r--r--  1 www  wheel  23.0K Jan 17 00:17 WHATSNEW
-r--r--r--  1 www  wheel   4.0K Jan 17 00:17 Makefile.config
-r-xr-xr-x  1 www  wheel  28.5K Jan 17 00:17 Configure*
-r-xr-xr-x  1 www  wheel   857B Jan 17 00:17 iroffer.cron*
-r-xr-xr-x  1 www  wheel   942B Jan 17 00:17 dynip.sh*
-r--r--r--  1 www  wheel   5.0K Jan 17 00:17 README
-rw-r--r--  1 www  wheel15B Jan 17 00:17 .cset_number

Iroffer had been installed http://iroffer.org/

The cronjob did the following :

more httpd.cron
### Logging #
#pidfile Infodll.pid
#logfile Infodll.log
logstats no
logrotate weekly
statefile Infodll.state
###


 Connessione #
connectionmethod direct
server 66.225.223.54 
server 66.225.223.54 6669
server 66.225.223.54 6667
channel #Eternity -key otis
channel #Eternity.staff -key otis
user_realname ETE
user_modes +ix
loginname ETE
tcprangestart 4000
#usenatip 195.41.47.74
###


 Slot e Code ##
slotsmax 15
queuesize 25
nickserv_pass beatat
maxtransfersperperson 1
maxqueueditemsperperson 1
restrictlist yes
restrictsend yes
#restrictprivlist yes


# Headline 
creditline ^C14\ \^C15^B Staff f0r #Eternity ^C14\\^B^C
headline ^C14\ \^C15^B Staff f0r #Eternity ^C14\\^B^C



# Adminhost e download ###
adminhost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
adminhost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
adminhost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
uploadhost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
downloadhost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
downloadhost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#firewall yes
hideos yes
#


 QUI VA ADMINPASS ##
adminpass pYiNmgVwHKZHE
##


 ### RUNTIME ADDED ###


filedir /var/tmp/cron/httpd
uploaddir /var/tmp/cron/httpd
user_nick ETE|DivX-01

Using dynip to advertise my box .

Aaaargh ! 

Thanks for the help anyway.

Regards, 

Ruben





-Original Message-
From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: June 23, 2005 7:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: stat running as www weirdness - genarting INCOMING traffic

Ruben Bloemgarten wrote:
 I’m seeing weirdness of stat opening up port  4000+ and
generating/receiving
 enormous amounts of incoming traffic i.e. 400Gb over a 24hour time
 period.Does this sound familiar to anyone ? Thanks for any brain usage not
 my own.

Insufficient data.  From which port(s) to which port(s), and are the IP 
addresses on the other side the same or a random range (which would imply
your 
machine has been hacked and is scanning outwards).

Showing a tcpdump of a few example connections would be really useful.

-- 
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NAT router confusion

[Ulf Magnusson]

I connect to the Internet through a NAT router serving two hosts, both
with addresses on the same local network (192.168.0\24). 

How does this work? Can hosts connected to different router interfaces
really be on the same network (provided the router is in the only path
between the two systems)? 

What about broadcast messages on the network, aren't those blocked by
routers? Does the router make an exception when it sees that the
broadcast is for a network it is connected to through multiple
interfaces (I noticed that only UDP packets sent to the network
broadcast address, 192.168.0.255, propagate to all hosts, while packets
sent to 255.255.255.255 don't)? 

Is this router really some switch/router hybrid? Or..? Bleh, someone
please sort this out for me. I realize this isn't strictly
FreeBSD-related, but I simply couldn't think of a better place to pick
brains, so I hope I'll be excused :)

Ulf
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