The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-11-20 - 2005-12-10

2005-12-11 Thread Dan Langille
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Error when installing Openoffice 2.0 devel

2005-12-11 Thread anthony endra
Here the message when installing Openoffice 2.0 devel
via ports :

../dist/../libdb_java/db_java_wrap.c:7297: error:
parse error before arg2
../dist/../libdb_java/db_java_wrap.c:7300: error:
`jenv' undeclared (first use in this function)
../dist/../libdb_java/db_java_wrap.c:7301: error:
`jcls' undeclared (first use in this function)
../dist/../libdb_java/db_java_wrap.c:7302: error:
`jarg1' undeclared (first use in this
function)../dist/../libdb_java/db_java_wrap.c:7303:
error: `arg2' undeclared (first use in this function)
../dist/../libdb_java/db_java_wrap.c:7303: error:
`jarg2' undeclared (first use in this function)***
Error code 1

Stop in
/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-2.0-devel/work/berkeleydb/unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/db-4.2.52.NC/out.
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./unxfbsd.pro/misc/build/so_built_so_berkeleydb'
'---* tg_merge.mk *---'

ERROR: Error 65280 occurred while making
/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-2.0-devel/work/berkeleydb
dmake:  Error code 1, while making 'build_all'
'---* tg_merge.mk *---'
*** Error code 255

Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-2.0-devel.
kzaytx0wkvs#


What can i do to make it work. Your help will be
appreciate.

regards, 

anthony endra

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RE: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

Kevin,

  I think your confused, this is the FreeBSD Questions mailing
list theme song, not the FreeBSD Operating System theme song.

Ted

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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:35 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Freebsd Theme Song


Hope this saves somebody a few keystrokes:

* VI *

#!/bin/sh

# themesong ... enables you to quickly create a singable
# ode to your favorite FreeBSD pet peeve.  Add it, along with
# mail(1) to your crontab to really annoy list members.
#
#  License: BSD, of course.  Additions welcome, provided
#  the meet with the goals of the Project.


if [ $OSTYPE != FreeBSD ]; then
   echo Wrong O.S. --- Gritch on your own project/distro's list!

   exit 1
fi

case $1 in
   -c)
   cat /COPYRIGHT
   exit 0;;
   -C)
   cat /COPYRIGHT
   exit 0;;

# let the GNU people gritch too; but they won't like this part
   --copyright)
   cat /COPYRIGHT
   exit 0;;
esac

if [ $1 ]; then

echo 
   THE BIKESHED SONG 

 sung to 'You are my Sunshine'
and humbly submitted as a candidate in the
  soon-to-be-announced FreeBSD Theme Song Contest
   (but definitely not in any code competitions...)

'$1' is my bikeshed, my only bikeshed

'$1' makes me happy to gritch and moan;

You'll never know, friend, how much I loathe '$1'

Won't you please leave my '$1' alone!?


else

echo 
Usage:  themesong foo
   ---where 'foo' is a description of your pet peeve 
with this O.S., e.g. 'themesong networking'

fi

* DE *

:D

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Official FreeBSD Haiku

2005-12-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

OK, since we are reaching for silliness here, I present
my contest entry for the Official FreeBSD Haiku

Springs FreeBSD:
powerful, stable, OS
few people know it


Ted
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Looking for a GFX Card Dual DVI

2005-12-11 Thread Tobias Roth
Hi

I am looking for a supported graphics card that offers dual-head
1600x1200 with dvi, passively cooled if possible. 3D support
must be present, but it doesn't need to be the latest and fastest.

I came across the Matrox P650, but unlike models of G550 and
below, these seem not directly supported by xorg anymore.

Any good advice on what to buy?

Thanks, t.
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changing shell

2005-12-11 Thread FreeBsdBeni
Hi,

I'm trying to get my shell changed from the default csh to bash. I followed 
the instruction in the handbook, chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash beni and got 
the reply that the user information was updated :

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/beni chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash beni
chsh: user information updated
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/beni 

Did the same for root. Looked with vipw and my shell was changed to bash. 
My /etc/shells was also modified :

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cat /etc/shells
# $FreeBSD: src/etc/shells,v 1.5 2000/04/27 21:58:46 ache Exp $
#
# List of acceptable shells for chpass(1).
# Ftpd will not allow users to connect who are not using
# one of these shells.

/bin/sh
/bin/csh
/bin/tcsh
/usr/local/bin/bash
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

But when logging out and back in again, the shell didn't change to bash. It's 
still csh... I just get the %-sign and have to type bash to get the 
bash-shell in a console.

And the weird thing is with path :

%echo $path
/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/bin 
/usr/X11R6/bin /home/beni/bin
%

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo $path

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

Any hints on the why of this ?
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Re: changing shell

2005-12-11 Thread Vasile C
On Sunday 11 December 2005 22:07, FreeBsdBeni wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm trying to get my shell changed from the default csh to bash. I followed
 the instruction in the handbook, chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash beni and got
 the reply that the user information was updated :

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/beni chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash beni
 chsh: user information updated
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/beni

 Did the same for root. Looked with vipw and my shell was changed to bash.
 My /etc/shells was also modified :

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cat /etc/shells
 # $FreeBSD: src/etc/shells,v 1.5 2000/04/27 21:58:46 ache Exp $
 #
 # List of acceptable shells for chpass(1).
 # Ftpd will not allow users to connect who are not using
 # one of these shells.

 /bin/sh
 /bin/csh
 /bin/tcsh
 /usr/local/bin/bash
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

 But when logging out and back in again, the shell didn't change to bash.
 It's still csh... I just get the %-sign and have to type bash to get
 the bash-shell in a console.

 And the weird thing is with path :

 %echo $path
 /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/bin
 /usr/X11R6/bin /home/beni/bin %

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo $path

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

 Any hints on the why of this ?

Try: pw user mod beni -s /usr/local/bin/bash
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kontact won't start up

2005-12-11 Thread FreeBsdBeni
Hi,

Kontact won't start up any more. It stops with an signal 4 (SIGILL). Here is 
the backtrace :

[New LWP 100177]
[Switching to LWP 100177]
0x29b5b7b3 in wait4 () from /lib/libc.so.6
#0  0x29b5b7b3 in wait4 () from /lib/libc.so.6
#1  0x29b4cfe1 in waitpid () from /lib/libc.so.6
#2  0x29af90be in waitpid () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.2
#3  0x2918ec2a in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdecore.so.6
#4  0x29b0175a in sigaction () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.2
#5  0xbfbfff94 in ?? ()
#6  0x0004 in ?? ()
#7  0xbfbf8dc0 in ?? ()
#8  0xbfbf8b00 in ?? ()
#9  0x in ?? ()
#10 0x29b0122c in sigaction () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.2
#11 0x28f67cb8 in KXMLGUI::ActionList::unplug ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdeui.so.6
#12 0x28f69e9a in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::unplugClient ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdeui.so.6
#13 0x28f6a1a4 in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::unplugActions ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdeui.so.6
#14 0x28f6a21e in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::destruct ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdeui.so.6
#15 0x28f6a3fb in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::destructChildren ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdeui.so.6
#16 0x28f6a215 in KXMLGUI::ContainerNode::destruct ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdeui.so.6
#17 0x28f64d5e in KXMLGUIFactory::removeClient ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdeui.so.6
#18 0x28a0f132 in KParts::MainWindow::createGUI ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkparts.so.3
#19 0x080616d4 in Kontact::MainWindow::selectPlugin ()
#20 0x080609eb in Kontact::MainWindow::initObject ()
#21 0x0806139b in Kontact::MainWindow::MainWindow ()
#22 0x0805bd67 in KontactApp::newInstance ()
#23 0x291ac971 in KUniqueApplication::processDelayed ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdecore.so.6
#24 0x291acb19 in KUniqueApplication::qt_invoke ()
   from /usr/local/lib/libkdecore.so.6
#25 0x29574aac in QObject::activate_signal ()
   from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#26 0x2987457b in QSignal::signal () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#27 0x2958bbe2 in QSignal::activate () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#28 0x295926cf in QSingleShotTimer::event () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#29 0x29519035 in QApplication::internalNotify ()
   from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#30 0x295191ca in QApplication::notify () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#31 0x2910221a in KApplication::notify () from /usr/local/lib/libkdecore.so.6
#32 0x2950d874 in QEventLoop::activateTimers ()
   from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#33 0x294cb954 in QEventLoop::processEvents ()
   from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#34 0x2952d48f in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#35 0x2952d3e8 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#36 0x29518370 in QApplication::exec () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#37 0x0805c3d1 in main ()

But the weird thing is, if I'm starting just kmail (execute command - kmail), 
kmail starts up fine. And then clicking on the kontact-icon does start up 
kontact.

Starting kontact from console gives me this :

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ kontact
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 236: missing test expression
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 237: missing test expression
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 238: missing test expression
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 239: missing test expression
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 240: missing test expression
*** KMail got signal 4 (Crashing)
ERROR: Communication problem with kontact, it probably crashed.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ KCrash: Application 'kontact' crashing...
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 236: missing test expression
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 237: missing test expression
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 238: missing test expression
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 239: missing test expression
Fontconfig warning: local.conf, line 240: missing test expression

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~  

I didn't find any local.conf on my system. 

Any clues on why kontact won't start ?
Thanks !
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Re: changing shell

2005-12-11 Thread FreeBsdBeni
On Sunday 11 December 2005 03:17, Vasile C wrote:
 On Sunday 11 December 2005 22:07, FreeBsdBeni wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I'm trying to get my shell changed from the default csh to bash. I
  followed the instruction in the handbook, chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash
  beni and got the reply that the user information was updated :
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/beni chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash beni
  chsh: user information updated
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/beni
 
  Did the same for root. Looked with vipw and my shell was changed to bash.
  My /etc/shells was also modified :
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cat /etc/shells
  # $FreeBSD: src/etc/shells,v 1.5 2000/04/27 21:58:46 ache Exp $
  #
  # List of acceptable shells for chpass(1).
  # Ftpd will not allow users to connect who are not using
  # one of these shells.
 
  /bin/sh
  /bin/csh
  /bin/tcsh
  /usr/local/bin/bash
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~
 
  But when logging out and back in again, the shell didn't change to bash.
  It's still csh... I just get the %-sign and have to type bash to get
  the bash-shell in a console.
 
  And the weird thing is with path :
 
  %echo $path
  /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/bin
  /usr/X11R6/bin /home/beni/bin %
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo $path
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~
 
  Any hints on the why of this ?

 Try: pw user mod beni -s /usr/local/bin/bash

hey, that worked ! Thanks.
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Re: openoffice-2 openssl-beta-0.9.8a

2005-12-11 Thread Martin Möller
* Benjamin Thelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-12-2005 21:15:25 +0100]:
 I'm a bit of a loss, no answer, no help by google, but I can't be the only
 one who faces this problem. How are you dealing with this? Do I overlook
 something?

Just force the thing to install and don't give another thought to that
openssl dependency:

pkg_add -f .tgz 

f like ... force! ;-)

HTH,
Martin

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Re: Flash no longer displayed in Firefox

2005-12-11 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:53:25 PM
Kent Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Flash no longer displayed in Firefox
Wrote these words of wisdom:

 One of the sad parts is that half of the real plugins for firefox are 
 only available on Windows 2000/XP.

* REPLY SEPARATOR *
On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied:

Yes, it is a real conundrum. It is ironic when you consider that a
product built by supporters of open source software are actually giving
greater support for an OS that is not open source.

I guess when you filter in the very real possibility that many users of
Win32 are children, or users who do not wish to learn the intricacies of
running a *nix OS, and in all probability would never be able to hurdle
the obstacles that abound in such use, the fact that non Win32 OS's are
not better supported is not surprising.

Just my 2¢.

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Re: ifconfig can't remove aliases

2005-12-11 Thread Philippe Pegon

oHmEr wrote:

hello,

i have a problem with ifconfig: it refuses to delete an ipv6 alias for an
incomprehensible reason. here's what i'm doing :

$ uname -a
FreeBSD homer.cload.net 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #4: Sun Nov 27
19:01:40 CET 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HOMER 
i386

$ ifconfig dc0
dc0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
options=8VLAN_MTU
inet6 fe80::248:54ff:fe12:76fb%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
inet6 2001:7a8:b138::1 prefixlen 64
inet 192.168.2.253 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255
inet6 2001:7a8:b138:caca:caca:caca:caca:1 prefixlen 64
inet6 2001:7a8:b138::caca:1 prefixlen 48
ether 00:48:54:12:76:fb
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
$ sudo ifconfig dc0 inet6 -alias 2001:7a8:b138::1
ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCDIFADDR): Can't assign requested address

other ipv6 addresses can't be removed too. is it a bug ? what can cause
this error ?


try :

$ sudo ifconfig dc0 inet6 2001:7a8:b138::1 delete

or

$ sudo ifconfig dc0 inet6 2001:7a8:b138::1 -alias

in ifconfig(8) :

SYNOPSIS
 ifconfig [-L] [-k] [-m] interface [create] [address_family] 
[address [dest_address]] [parameters]


parameters is in the end (like delete or -alias)

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Re: Copying kernel and OS

2005-12-11 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote:

On 12/10/05, Damon Blom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Thank's. Is there an easy way to install ports on slow machine using nfs
after portupgrade on fast machine? For one port I guess you could do a nfs
mount of faster machine ports after doing make on ithe port and just do
install on slower machine


I think you would have had to do make install on the fast machine so 
that dependencies get created but not make install clean so that the 
work directories don't get deleted. Then I guess a make install in the 
nfs mounted ports tree would do the trick.


On my fast machine I created a /usr/ports/packages directory then each 
 time I want to install a new port on any machine I do 'make 
package-recursive' in the port directory of the fast machine. This 
installs the port and dependencies and also creates in 
/usr/ports/packages a 'package tree' which has the same structure as the 
ports tree with the addition of a /usr/ports/packages/All directory. The 
packages for the new port and all its dependencies automagically go into 
All and are symlinked to the relevant bit of the the package tree.


To install a package on another machine I get the package tree installed 
in the right place by whatever means (nfs, move the hard disk etc), 
change to /usr/ports/packages/All and do pkg_add -r packagename.


Chris
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Re: Sligtly OT: setting static routes on clients

2005-12-11 Thread Andrea Venturoli

Loren M. Lang wrote:

On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 04:01:02PM +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote:


Hello.
I've got a network of clients on which I'd like to set static routes; 
these are mainly (but not only) Windows machines, administered through a 
couple of FreeBSD servers.

Is there any way to do this with DHCP?
Or via Samba (netlogon.cmd)?



Have you considered a dynamic routing protocol like rip or ospf using
the routed or zebra daemons for freebsd?  I know some versions of
windows come with, or have a windows component you can add for the rip
protocol.


Actually no, I haven't tought about it seriously.
I suspect it might be overcomplicated for my needs, but I welcome any 
pointers on this, like some introduction or how-to which might get me 
started.
Obviously I'm going to search myself, but just in case you know of a 
very well done document... :)


 bye  Thanks
av.
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Re: ifconfig can't remove aliases

2005-12-11 Thread oHmEr
On Dim 11 décembre 2005 13:42, Philippe Pegon wrote:

 try :

 $ sudo ifconfig dc0 inet6 2001:7a8:b138::1 delete

 or

 $ sudo ifconfig dc0 inet6 2001:7a8:b138::1 -alias

 in ifconfig(8) :

 SYNOPSIS
   ifconfig [-L] [-k] [-m] interface [create] [address_family]
 [address [dest_address]] [parameters]

 parameters is in the end (like delete or -alias)

thanks ! it's working, i just had to rtfm. i didn't as i always ordered my
options like this and it was working on 5.4-STABLE system :

$ uname -a
FreeBSD marge.cload.net 5.4-STABLE FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #3: Sat Nov 26
19:12:49 CET 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MARGE 
i386
$ ifconfig fxp0 inet6
fxp0: flags=9843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,LINK0,MULTICAST mtu 1500
  options=8VLAN_MTU
  inet6 fe80::202:a5ff:fe51:2de3%fxp0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
  inet6 2001:7a8:6cd1::1 prefixlen 48
  inet6 2001:7a8:6cd1::caca prefixlen 48
$ sudo ifconfig fxp0 inet6 -alias 2001:7a8:6cd1::caca
$ ifconfig fxp0 inet6
fxp0: flags=9843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,LINK0,MULTICAST mtu 1500
  options=8VLAN_MTU
  inet6 fe80::202:a5ff:fe51:2de3%fxp0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
  inet6 2001:7a8:6cd1::1 prefixlen 48

anyway, it's not very important as man page syntax is both case working.
however, the ifconfig option parser could have been more helpful by
printing the token on which it detected an error. i'd have guess that
-alias was an invalid inet6 address...

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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Danial Thom


--- Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 01:14:18PM -0800,
 Danial Thom wrote:
 
  Well thats just hogwash Kris. Pure bridging
  performance is a measure of the efficiency of
 the
  kernel to do rote tasks like respond to
  interrupts, and the latencies in performing
 those
  tasks. Its the best way, IMO, to exercise and
  measure the efficiency of an isolated kernel.
 It
  requires no userland activity, so your
 results
  aren't muddled by millions of system calls.
 Its a
  way to compare apples to apples, which is how
  good testing is done.
  
  As long as you don't have your filesystem on
 a
  network, you're in good shape. But thats not
 even
  the point. The point is that the purpose of
  tearing apart 4.x was to go MP, and MP
  performance is dismill across the board.
 
 This statement is simply false.  It's actually
 quite funny to read.
 
 For the readers at home: Denial is once again
 taking his narrow view
 of the world (everything about the OS is
 accurately measured by how
 fast the kernel routes network packets!) and
 extrapolating it to
 infinity, then jumping up and down about it.

Whats false about it, Kris? First of all, I
didn't say that everything about the kernel can
be accurately measured by such a test, so why did
you twist it to fit your agenda? Its a good way
to test the interrupt and process switching
mechanisms in an isolated kernel. 

Also, since you don't see to understand the test,
bridging is not routing. Its a rote function of
moving packets from one interface to another with
very little overhead. Its purely interrupt
driven, so the kernel's latencies in processing
interrupts is well exercised. Its a good test
because, unlike crap like netperf, it doesn't
involve sockets or any userland tasks. I know
you're not a real engineer Kris, so I don't
expect you to understand, but you also aren't
qualified to discredit the test, since you don't
know a damn thing about testing.

I know you enjoy being the one-eyed man in the
land of the blind on this list Kris, But I doubt
people are stupid enough to buy into your
continued propaganda. There isn't one credible
test that shows that FreeBSD MP is worth any
consideration as a good performer, so it seems
doubtful that anyone with half a brain thinks it
is.

Everything today is networking. What good is a
fast filesystem if it sits on a klunky kernel or
slow networking system? Who's going to build a
big honking MP server if is can't handle more
network traffic than a good UP system?

Do you have a volkwagon engine in your Porche,
Kris? The problem with Kris is that he thinks
that if his car has a really cool radio that
people will buy it, even those its slow as shit.
That may be fine for the kind of guys that hang
out on the freebsd-questions list, or for little
old ladies. But its not fine with the kind of
people that used to rely on FreeBSD for serious
networking tasks. 

Kris is just a PR front man for a team of
developers that is lost. Their theory on how to
build a better mousetrap for MP is completely
wrong, and now they're going to try something
else, using the entire FreeBSD community as
guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then 6.0.
Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn
shame.

DT

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Re: Removing a port without upsetting dependencies

2005-12-11 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Ian Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi,
 I have mplayer installed and at one stage I installed the mplayer-skins port 
 as well. Then I got sick of dealing with the skins port being broken a lot 
 because the source files are often unfetchable, so I removed the port (I 
 can't remember what method I used to do that now).
 
 Ever since,  when I do a portupgrade  mplayer or various ports that it is a 
 dependency of get updated, my ports database gets upset because those ports 
 are marked as having mplayer-skins as a stale dependency.
 
 For example, today I have:
 Stale dependency: mplayerplug-in-3.17 -- mplayer-skins-1.1.2_1 -- manually 
 run 'pkgdb -F' to fix, or specify -O to force.
 
 I generally either delete the dependency or link it to mplayer-gtk-esound, 
 but 
 the dependency comes back next time mplayerplug-in gets updated.
 
 I assume I've just used the wrong method for deleting the mplayer-skins port 
  
 I need to re-install  delete it the correct way. If I'm right, how should I 
 do that?
 
 If not, is there a way I can permanently remove the mplayer-skins port and 
 not 
 have it appear as a dependency of other ports?

Modify those other ports, I guess.

That's kind of what dependency means; they depend on the dependencies...
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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread David Gerard
Danial Thom wrote:

 developers that is lost. Their theory on how to
 build a better mousetrap for MP is completely
 wrong, and now they're going to try something
 else, using the entire FreeBSD community as
 guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then 6.0.
 Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn
 shame.


Question: how's DragonFly looking on this score? I realise it's not
production ready, but the project intrigues me.


- d.


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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Chris
Danial Thom wrote:

 Kris is just a PR front man for a team of
 developers that is lost. Their theory on how to
 build a better mousetrap for MP is completely
 wrong, and now they're going to try something
 else, using the entire FreeBSD community as
 guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then 6.0.
 Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn
 shame.
 
 DT

IF you are such a man that can actually call himself an engineer - why
hide behind Yahoo mail?

Next, IF you are as you claim to be - WHY are you not on the team or
at least contributing code?

To insult one person for not seeing your point of view is a show of
closed mindedness - to insult a whole list of users ... Well, I do think
that speaks volumes about you - as a whole.

If you feel the need to insult Kris - keep it off-list. If you feel the
need to insult the rest of us, you may be better off seeking help in the
real world and moving on.

Why would you continually expose yourself to us if we make you that
unhappy?

Or - is it a craving you need to satisfy by either bitching and moaning
or insulting us to make yourself feel superior?

If that's the case - then professional help is for you. Seek it, feel
better about yourself - and move on.

-- 
Best regards,
Chris

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Re: changing shell

2005-12-11 Thread James Bailie

FreeBsdBeni wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/beni chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash beni
 chsh: user information updated
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/beni

This should work if you are truly root, as the prompt suggests.
If you are not, then you need to modify /etc/shells to include
bash before invoking chsh.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo $path

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

 Any hints on the why of this ?

When not invoked as a login shell, bash does not read /etc/profile or 
~/.profile.


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cvsup question

2005-12-11 Thread Vasile C
 How can I modify the cvsup reconnect time form 5 to 1 min ?
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moused hanging

2005-12-11 Thread Anthony Agelastos
Hello everyone,

For an unknown reason, my mouse lately has been hanging. It has hung with
X11 running and without X11 running. To fix it, I get to a prompt (usually
via Ctrl+Alt+F1 as it tends to happen primarily when in X) and, as root, I
execute

% kill mousedPID
% moused -p /dev/psm0
% vidcontrol -m on

and, if there is music playing, it slurs for several seconds when I
initially move the mouse, and then it is back to working along with the
mouse. If memory serves, this problem started occurring when I configured
the mouse to use the scrollwheel. To do this, I followed the instructions
per the FreeBSD FAQ.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/x.html#X-AND-WHEEL

What the FAQ mentions is only related to X11. It has failed on me once when
I booted up FBSD prior to any startx-type of command being run. I have been
running the same version of 6.0-STABLE for over a month now and this problem
has started noticeably occurring a couple of weeks ago. Does anyone have any
ideas? Some additional pertinent information is below. Thank you to everyone
who helps and has helped make FreeBSD a great community.

 uname -a
FreeBSD ast.home.iq 6.0-STABLE FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE #0: Sat Nov  5 21:29:34
EST 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/IQKERNEL  i386
 moused -p /dev/psm0 -i type
sysmouse
 cat /etc/rc.conf | grep moused
moused_enable=YES
moused_type='auto'
moused_port='/dev/psm0'

I wanted to mention here that when I change moused_type from auto to ps/2,
it appears to behave more stable. However, in doing this, the scrollwheel
ceases to work in X11. I wanted to also mention that I checked out the FAQ,
Google, and the Handbook and came up empty with all of them .
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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Danial Thom
Because those of us with real jobs are required
to do so.

Kris doesn't just not see my point. If you can't
see that then you can't be reasoned with either.

--- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Danial Thom wrote:
 
  Kris is just a PR front man for a team of
  developers that is lost. Their theory on
 how to
  build a better mousetrap for MP is completely
  wrong, and now they're going to try something
  else, using the entire FreeBSD community as
  guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then
 6.0.
  Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn
  shame.
  
  DT
 
 IF you are such a man that can actually call
 himself an engineer - why
 hide behind Yahoo mail?
 
 Next, IF you are as you claim to be - WHY are
 you not on the team or
 at least contributing code?
 
 To insult one person for not seeing your point
 of view is a show of
 closed mindedness - to insult a whole list of
 users ... Well, I do think
 that speaks volumes about you - as a whole.
 
 If you feel the need to insult Kris - keep it
 off-list. If you feel the
 need to insult the rest of us, you may be
 better off seeking help in the
 real world and moving on.
 
 Why would you continually expose yourself to us
 if we make you that
 unhappy?
 
 Or - is it a craving you need to satisfy by
 either bitching and moaning
 or insulting us to make yourself feel superior?
 
 If that's the case - then professional help is
 for you. Seek it, feel
 better about yourself - and move on.
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Chris
 
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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Chris
Danial Thom wrote:
Kris is just a PR front man for a team of
developers that is lost. Their theory on

how to

build a better mousetrap for MP is completely
wrong, and now they're going to try something
else, using the entire FreeBSD community as
guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then

6.0.

Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn
shame.

DT

IF you are such a man that can actually call
himself an engineer - why
hide behind Yahoo mail?

Next, IF you are as you claim to be - WHY are
you not on the team or
at least contributing code?

To insult one person for not seeing your point
of view is a show of
closed mindedness - to insult a whole list of
users ... Well, I do think
that speaks volumes about you - as a whole.

If you feel the need to insult Kris - keep it
off-list. If you feel the
need to insult the rest of us, you may be
better off seeking help in the
real world and moving on.

Why would you continually expose yourself to us
if we make you that
unhappy?

Or - is it a craving you need to satisfy by
either bitching and moaning
or insulting us to make yourself feel superior?

If that's the case - then professional help is
for you. Seek it, feel
better about yourself - and move on.

-- 
Best regards,
Chris

 Because those of us with real jobs are required
 to do so.
 
 Kris doesn't just not see my point. If you can't
 see that then you can't be reasoned with either.
 

See - there you go. The need to belittle. those of us with real job
I guess all of us that have legit email address and NOT any of the
freebie ones don't have legit jobs.

I assume that's how you meant it.

It does not matter whether I see your point or Kris's. The point that
I'm making is simply this - if all that disagree with your point of
view, are the ones that can't be reasoned with.

That my friend - is surely showing us that YOU can't be reasoned with.
It's either your point of view or not. You are right, and if we can't
see it or don't agree, then we're wrong and can't be dealt with.

You my friend, NEED that professional help. I think I am beginning to
see why you use a freebie email address.

Case in point - if your employer were to see that it's really you - they
might see that you may need some help.

Just an observation - from someone that you can't reason with, and most
likely - don't have a real job because I don't have a Yahoo email address.

-- 
Best regards,
Chris

Don't let your superiors know you're better than
they are.
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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Danial Thom


--- David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Danial Thom wrote:
 
  developers that is lost. Their theory on
 how to
  build a better mousetrap for MP is completely
  wrong, and now they're going to try something
  else, using the entire FreeBSD community as
  guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then
 6.0.
  Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn
  shame.
 
 
 Question: how's DragonFly looking on this
 score? I realise it's not
 production ready, but the project intrigues me.

For UP, they are about the same as Freebsd,
performance-wise. DP DFKY is already much better,
at least from a consistency standpoint. With
FreeBSD some things are actually slower DP than
UP. At least DFLY has somewhat linear
performance, although far from optimal. Of course
FreeBSD has more bells and whistles that work, as
DFLY is not focused on features at the moment.

Of course Matt is difficult to convince of
anything, and he's trying to do everything by
himself. He has tremendous strengths but will
never admit to his areas of weakness, which is a
big problem. But I think fundamentally their
approach is a good one. Its going to be a lot
easier for DFLY to adjust on the fly then
FreeBSD. FreeBSD is just a big mess, IMO. But I
may retire before either of them are what they
hope to be. And I'm not that old :-)

anyone tested OPenBSD lately?

DT

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Freebsd 5.4+samba

2005-12-11 Thread Monah Baki

Hi all,

I just installed Freebsd 5.4 with samba 3.x, I'm running a calyx  
software, and the 6 clients are winxp.
The smb.conf is as simple as possible. I noticed that some clients  
are very slow to connect to the share drive and run a database search.
The server is a dell 8400 optiplex, no scsi HDD (sata I think), 3Ghz  
and 512MB Ram.
I was wandering if there's a way to optimize samba, or freebsd. Right  
now performance wise is worse then when they connect to the same  
database on a win2003 server and I need to get the win2003 server out  
of the picture.



Thank you
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Re: cvsup question

2005-12-11 Thread Chuck Swiger
Vasile C wrote:
  How can I modify the cvsup reconnect time form 5 to 1 min ?

A more useful approach would be to switch to downloading from another cvsup
server...

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Re: cvsup question

2005-12-11 Thread Vasile C
I have a script in cron that does cvsup and portupgrade ... That is why I want 
to change the reconnect time ..


On Sunday 11 December 2005 18:21, Chuck Swiger wrote:
 Vasile C wrote:
   How can I modify the cvsup reconnect time form 5 to 1 min ?

 A more useful approach would be to switch to downloading from another cvsup
 server...

-- 

Regards , Vasile C

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Re: cvsup question

2005-12-11 Thread Chuck Swiger
Vasile C wrote:
 A more useful approach would be to switch to downloading from another cvsup
 server...
 I have a script in cron that does cvsup and portupgrade ... That is why I 
 want 
 to change the reconnect time ..

I hope this is a testbed and is not a production system.
Automaticly running portupgrade on a production system is a mistake...

-- 
-Chuck
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Re: cvsup question

2005-12-11 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:26:24 AM
Vasile C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: cvsup question
Wrote these words of wisdom:

 I have a script in cron that does cvsup and portupgrade ... That is why I 
 want 
 to change the reconnect time ..
 
 
 On Sunday 11 December 2005 18:21, Chuck Swiger wrote:
  Vasile C wrote:
How can I modify the cvsup reconnect time form 5 to 1 min ?
 
  A more useful approach would be to switch to downloading from another cvsup
  server...
 
 -- 
 
 Regards , Vasile C
 
 If UNIX doesn't have the solution you have the wrong problem.
 UNIX is simple, but it takes a genius to understand it's simplicity.


* REPLY SEPARATOR *
On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied:

I have a script, run from CRON also, that runs cvsup, portsdb -Uu and
then portupgrade. Since each succeeding program will not run until the
preceding one has finished, I have no need to change the timing on
cvsup. Are you perhaps trying to run each program individually from CRON,
rather than through a script?

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Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0

2005-12-11 Thread Danial Thom


--- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Danial Thom wrote:
 Kris is just a PR front man for a team of
 developers that is lost. Their theory on
 
 how to
 
 build a better mousetrap for MP is
 completely
 wrong, and now they're going to try
 something
 else, using the entire FreeBSD community as
 guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then
 
 6.0.
 
 Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn
 shame.
 
 DT
 
 IF you are such a man that can actually call
 himself an engineer - why
 hide behind Yahoo mail?

My company requires it

 
 Next, IF you are as you claim to be - WHY are
 you not on the team or
 at least contributing code?


I think your premise that all of the great
engineers contribute to open source projects is
broken. Perhaps Kris' participation makes him a
better chum than me, and it surely says that he
has a lot more time. As someone who doesn't
contribute significant code (although I have
contributed fixes and ideas over the years under
various aliases), perhaps you might say that I
have no right to criticize. I'll give you that to
some extent. But, as somone who built a product
on FreeBSD and has a significant financial stake
in its existence, I'm mad as heck that this
current team has taken a perfectly good O/S,
arguably the best networking OS around in 4.x,
and made it a lot worse. Considering that they
continually bamboozle us by saying how great the
next version is going to be (when they really
just want to have a few 100 people test it for
them), should give us a charter to be pissed off.

At least if they admitted things it would help.
Do some reading in lucky.freebsd.performance.
They are in total denial. Every time someone
complains about network performance they blame
TCP settings or some other ridiculous thing. They
continue to rely on netperf for their
measurements, and its just not the correct way to
test. The problem with netperf is that is loads a
machine to capacity and measures the capacity of
the system. The problem is that no-one runs their
machine at 90%+ cpu. Things change when you
approach the wall and when you load the bus, so
you're not really measuring the machine under
normal conditions. What you want to do is measure
the CPU load under high-normal working
conditions, which is more like 50-70% range. As
bus bandwidth diminishes and queues fill, timings
change, because non-normal conditions exist. So
the measurements they use are just wrong. Or at
least they are wrong in measuring the real
performance of a production system.

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Re: cvsup question

2005-12-11 Thread Vasile C
Can someone PLEASE answer my question without asking me more questions ?
Is there a way to change the reconnect time or not ?

On Sunday 11 December 2005 18:54, Gerard Seibert wrote:
 On Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:26:24 AM
 Vasile C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: cvsup question

 Wrote these words of wisdom:
  I have a script in cron that does cvsup and portupgrade ... That is why I
  want to change the reconnect time ..
 
  On Sunday 11 December 2005 18:21, Chuck Swiger wrote:
   Vasile C wrote:
 How can I modify the cvsup reconnect time form 5 to 1 min ?
  
   A more useful approach would be to switch to downloading from another
   cvsup server...
 
  --
 
  Regards , Vasile C
 
  If UNIX doesn't have the solution you have the wrong problem.
  UNIX is simple, but it takes a genius to understand it's simplicity.

 * REPLY SEPARATOR *
 On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied:

 I have a script, run from CRON also, that runs cvsup, portsdb -Uu and
 then portupgrade. Since each succeeding program will not run until the
 preceding one has finished, I have no need to change the timing on
 cvsup. Are you perhaps trying to run each program individually from CRON,
 rather than through a script?

-- 

Regards , Vasile C

If UNIX doesn't have the solution you have the wrong problem.
UNIX is simple, but it takes a genius to understand it's simplicity.


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RE: Freebsd 5.4+samba

2005-12-11 Thread Gayn Winters
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Monah Baki
 Subject: Freebsd 5.4+samba
 
 I just installed Freebsd 5.4 with samba 3.x, I'm running a calyx  
 software, and the 6 clients are winxp.
 The smb.conf is as simple as possible. I noticed that some clients  
 are very slow to connect to the share drive and run a database search.
 The server is a dell 8400 optiplex, no scsi HDD (sata I think), 3Ghz  
 and 512MB Ram.  I was wandering if there's a way to optimize samba, or

 freebsd. Right now performance wise is worse then when they connect to
the same  
 database on a win2003 server and I need to get the win2003 
 server out of the picture.
 
I'm sure you'll get a lot of help on this forum, but I suggest you split
your problem up.  

Focus first on your server:  How is it configured? Have you tested the
performance of file IO locally? Are you swapping? Is anything else
running besides the samba processes and calyx?  Have you considered 6.0
for file performance reasons?  Test the speed of your database searches
locally before you worry about testing them over the network.

Next the network: What hardware are you using?  How is it configured?
Are all clients connecting at maximum speed (typically 100mbps full
duplex)?  How fast is a single client file transfer (without samba and
without other connections to the server?  Is the network overloaded with
other traffic?  Since you say some clients, what is different? Test
using IP addresses not names.

Next naming:  If the low level network is fine, then slow connect time
is usually a name resolution problem.  What is different on the slow
clients?  Is samba your WINS server?  Figure out how each client is
resolving names and in particular resolving the name of the server.  Do
you have any master browser conflicts?  Test each client's connect
time with a non-samba program, e.g. ssh.  Note ping sometimes gives you
a clue if the first packet sent using a name and not an IP address times
out.  Check carefully that your default domain name suffixes are
correct.  

Samba:  It should be pretty fast out of the box if the above is working
fine.  I've never noticed any performance degradation using samba as a
WINS server, and I recommend it.  Turn it on in smb.conf and be sure to
set it so that it wins any master browser elections.  If you still think
Win2003 is outperforming samba on comparable hardware, then you'll need
to gather a lot more data.  

Calyx:  I don't know anything about it.  If local queries run fast (step
1), and the above are fast, then it would seem to me that its client has
a problem.  If it is only a client database (like QuickBooks or Access)
that uses samba for its files, then you are into another class of
performance problems and the calyx experts need to help you.  (For
example, the performance tunings for QuickBooks are much different that
those for Access.)

I'd recommend splitting your question to this forum up into separate
questions formulating each so that it is interesting in its own right
and includes what you have learned in previous steps.

Best of luck,

-gayn


Bristol Systems Inc.
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Re: openoffice-2 openssl-beta-0.9.8a

2005-12-11 Thread Benjamin Thelen
Hello Mike,

thanks for your response!

I suppose you're using the ports openssl instead of the base system. Thus
your solution is definitely a good way as far as I can see, but I would
like to keep the base system openssl if possible.

Best,
Ben


 Hi Benjamin,

 I had the same problem. The solution to this problem for me was the
 portupgrade -o option to replace openssl-beta with openssl-stable and
 update all the dependencies. Have a look in the portupgrade man page.
 There is an example how to use this option. For me it looked something
 like 'portupgrade -o security/openssl-stable openssl-beta' to get rid of
 the beta dep.
 Actually I don't know at what point openssl is important to openoffice
 and if this might lead to some issues. However, I didn't have any
 problems so far.
 Greetings,
 Mike

 Benjamin Thelen wrote:
 You FreeBSD guys,

 This is a kind of reposting, I got no response to this question (Why? Is
 there something wrong how I write my my question(s)?), whether list
 (archives) nor google told me something _really_ helpful - just stupid
 work arounds -sorry.

 I suppose there are many of you using the OpenOffice-2.0 package from
 http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/ which requires
 openssl-beta-0.9.8a
 to be installed (I don't understand why).

 Installing openssl-beta from ports at first doesn't hurt. But at the
 stage
 of portupgrading next time it starts to be a pain, so I end up removing
 openoffice-2 and openssl-beta _before_ I do a portupgrade. If I don't
 remove both ports, any port that requires openssl is built with
 openssl-beta instead of openssl from the base system. If I add
 WITH_OPENSSL_BASE=yes, which seemd to be a good  solution, net-snmp
 (required for kdeutils) complains that it cannot build if there is a
 newer
 openssl version installed by a port. There we are again, byebye
 openssl-beta/openoffice, portupgrade, reinstall both.


 I'm a bit of a loss, no answer, no help by google, but I can't be the
 only
 one who faces this problem. How are you dealing with this? Do I overlook
 something?


 Thanks,
 Ben

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philip 2x Sun Ultra10 workstation will Received

2005-12-11 Thread Habib Ur Rehman
Hi,

I am looking for 2 Ultra 10 worksatation. Please let
me know how can i have, because i found you have in
your list as i cut and pasted.

Thanks

Rehman
Toronto


philip  2x Sun Ultra10 workstation will Received 


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Re: openoffice-2 openssl-beta-0.9.8a

2005-12-11 Thread Benjamin Thelen
 * Benjamin Thelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-12-2005 21:15:25 +0100]:
 I'm a bit of a loss, no answer, no help by google, but I can't be the
 only
 one who faces this problem. How are you dealing with this? Do I overlook
 something?

 Just force the thing to install and don't give another thought to that
 openssl dependency:

 pkg_add -f .tgz

 f like ... force! ;-)

Martin,

Usually force is something I like avoid ;-).

Nevertheless I did it your way :-). But I additionally had to delete the
dependency to openssl-beta, because portupgrade complained. I don't know
it this was the best idea...

Two messages were a little annoying, please see below. I don't know if
it's bad to see dependency registration is incomplete.
.
.
.
pkg_add: can't open dependency file
'/var/db/pkg/openssl-beta-0.9.8a/+REQUIRED_BY'!
dependency registration is incomplete
pkg_add: warning: package 'de-openoffice.org-2.0.20051202' requires
'perl-threaded-5.8.7', but 'perl-5.8.7' is installed


And I really don't know where this perl-threaded comes from - I even
couldn't find a port called like this - I suppose, it's a knob.


Best,
Ben



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Dansguardian port

2005-12-11 Thread Sasa Stupar

Hi!

I have installed dansguardian on FBSD 5.4 from the ports but I have found 
out that this port was not made for antivirus support - (need to patch the 
source). The port is fresh since I have just done cvsup my ports tree.

Am I missing something?

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Re: Copying kernel and OS

2005-12-11 Thread Damon Blom
On Saturday 10 December 2005 12:05 pm, you wrote:
 On 12/10/05, Damon Blom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thank's. Is there an easy way to install ports on slow machine using
  nfs after portupgrade on fast machine? For one port I guess you could do
  a nfs mount of faster machine ports after doing make on ithe port and
  just do install on slower machine?

 Check out pkg_create. You could use that to create packacges from
 installed ports on the fast maschine, and then installing those
 packages on the slower machine(s).

 Using some creative scripting, this could be done pretty transparently.
Hi
   Thank's for reply! pkg_create makes almost instant package which I
can then just do pkg_add -r to retrieve on slower machine. Can also
make package-recursive (from chris) which puts packages 
in /usr/ports/packages. Maybe when I do portupgrade -a on fast
machine I should do portupgrade -ap instead to also build a package.
   Thank's for idea.
Damon
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Re: cvsup question

2005-12-11 Thread Matthew Seaman

Vasile C wrote:

Can someone PLEASE answer my question without asking me more questions ?
Is there a way to change the reconnect time or not ?


Not without modifying the source code to cvsup.

What I recommend you do is add the '-1' flag to your cvsup command line
-- so cvsup will try once to pull down the updates and then exit.  Then
you can use a trivial bit of shell scripting to try again if the first
attempt failed, although you should try to cvsup from a different server
if you need to retry.

eg.

   #!/bin/sh

   CVSUP=/usr/local/bin/cvsup
   CVSUPFLAGS=-1 -g -L2 /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile
   CVSUPSERVERS='
   cvsup.xx.freebsd.org
   cvsup.yy.freebsd.org
   cvsup.zz.freebsd.org
   '
   OTHERCMDS=portsdb -Uu  portupgrade

   for $h in $CVSUPSERVERS ; do
$CVSUP -h $h $CVSUPFLAGS  \
   $OTHERCMDS\
   break
   done

Note: untested code intended only as an outline of what you might do --
will need some work before suitable for serious use.

Cheers,

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linux-realplayer complains it can't find fonts

2005-12-11 Thread Rob Lytle
I installed the linux-realplayer but it complains that it can't find
fonts.  I am assuming that it is some TTF.

I installed the webfonts package but that didn't help.  I wonder what
font it is looking for?  Do I have to do anything special
in /usr/compat ?

Thanks,  Rob.

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Downgrade a port

2005-12-11 Thread Robert Fitzpatrick
Well, still haven't solved my problem with reaching kern.openfiles limit 
since upgrading several packages. I posted that last week and received 
some ideas. The /var had several problems, so I went to single user mode 
this weekend and cleaned it up, all other parts clean. So, I am now 
considering downgrading ports that were upgraded in an attempt to solve 
the issue. Stopping and starting Postfix will relieve the issue, if done 
every 10 minutes. I have tried 'make deinstall' and reinstalling 
Postfix, but this was upgraded from 2.2.x to 2.2.6, very minor. So, 
maybe the culprit is amavisd-new. Of all the packages that were upgraded 
at the time the problem started, this one was the most major coming from 
2.2.1 to 2.3.3. All ports were upgraded via portupgrade, I can't seem to 
find how to get 2.2.1 loaded in the ports system, can someone help?


Also, if anyone has another idea on my core issue, I have used lsof and 
most files open on the system are of the smtp and smtpd processes.


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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 06:33:49AM -0800, Danial Thom wrote:

   But thats not even the point. The point is that the purpose of
   tearing apart 4.x was to go MP, and MP 
   performance is dismill across the board.

  This statement is simply false.  It's actually
  quite funny to read.

 Whats false about it, Kris?

I've quoted it again for you above.  When you take your packet
bridging blinders off, there are many performance improvements to be
measured from SMP kernels (and UP, for that matter) on FreeBSD 6.0
compared to 4.11.  Filesystem performance, for one.

FreeBSD 6 is 30% faster than 4.11 at filesystem write operations
(extracting a large tarball full of small files and many
subdirectories) with an amr disk array on the same UP system.  On this
hardware FreeBSD 4.11 is unable to make effective use of a second CPU
on the same test (it's often slightly slower); FreeBSD 6.0 receives a
10-15% boost on this workload from a second CPU (this seems to be
limited by hardware access constraints - the amr hardware API does not
encourage concurrency).

Performance on a benchmark that does a lot of parallel filesystem
reads and forks tens of thousands of processes (ports collection INDEX
builds) is 25% faster on 6.0 than 5.4, and is about 3 times faster
under SMP than UP on a 4-CPU machine.

On a 4-CPU amd64 machine running 6.0, concurrent write performance to
a md is 2.7 times faster under SMP than UP.  On a 14-CPU sparc64
machine it is 6.1 times faster (and it would be higher except the very
low memory bandwidth and 400MHz CPU speed cause some of the kernel
threads to saturate easily).

But of course, Denial tells us that none of this means anything about
FreeBSD performance and scalability, because it doesn't help him with
the only thing he cares about, which is to sell systems that bridge
high-speed networks.

Kris




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Re: Downgrade a port

2005-12-11 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Sunday 11 December 2005 11:55, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote:
 Well, still haven't solved my problem with reaching kern.openfiles limit
 since upgrading several packages. I posted that last week and received
 some ideas. The /var had several problems, so I went to single user mode
 this weekend and cleaned it up, all other parts clean. So, I am now
 considering downgrading ports that were upgraded in an attempt to solve
 the issue. Stopping and starting Postfix will relieve the issue, if done
 every 10 minutes. I have tried 'make deinstall' and reinstalling
 Postfix, but this was upgraded from 2.2.x to 2.2.6, very minor. So,
 maybe the culprit is amavisd-new. Of all the packages that were upgraded
 at the time the problem started, this one was the most major coming from
 2.2.1 to 2.3.3. All ports were upgraded via portupgrade, I can't seem to
 find how to get 2.2.1 loaded in the ports system, can someone help?

 Also, if anyone has another idea on my core issue, I have used lsof and
 most files open on the system are of the smtp and smtpd processes.

 --
 Robert


Here is how you can bring all ports back to a prior day:

make install sysutils/portmanager

mv /usr/ports /usr/ports.CURRENT
mkdir /usr/ports.PREVIOUSDATE
ln -sv /usr/ports.PREVIOUSDATE /usr/ports
ln -sv  /usr/ports.CURRENT/distfiles  /usr/ports.PREVIOUSDATE/distfiles

below set what ever date you want

*default host=cvsup17.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs
*default tag=.
*default delete
*default compress
*default date=2005.11.08.12.00.00
ports-all

run cvsup on the above file and you will have a back dated ports tree

run portmanager -u -l -ip sysutils/portmanager

(the -ip portmanager is so you don't set it back to a previous date)

portmanager will backdate all installed ports to the date of your previousdate 
port tree.

When you want to move forward just swap the links between ports.PREVIOUSDATE
and ports.CURRENT then update with either portmanager or portupgrade if you 
prefer.

-Mike

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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Chris
Kris Kennaway wrote:
 But of course, Denial tells us that none of this means anything about
 FreeBSD performance and scalability, because it doesn't help him with
 the only thing he cares about, which is to sell systems that bridge
 high-speed networks.
 
 Kris
 
 


Observation: His name - Denial

From Dictionary.com:

Entries found for denial.
de·ni·al   Audio pronunciation of denial ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-nl)
n.

   1. A refusal to comply with or satisfy a request.
   2.
 1. A refusal to grant the truth of a statement or allegation; a
contradiction.
 2. Law. The opposing by a defendant of an allegation of the
plaintiff.
   3.
 1. A refusal to accept or believe something, such as a doctrine
or belief.
 2. Psychology. An unconscious defense mechanism characterized
by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.
   4. The act of disowning or disavowing; repudiation.
   5. Abstinence; self-denial.
[From deny.]

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Re: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Chris
Chris wrote:
 Kris Kennaway wrote:
 
But of course, Denial tells us that none of this means anything about
FreeBSD performance and scalability, because it doesn't help him with
the only thing he cares about, which is to sell systems that bridge
high-speed networks.

Kris


 
 
 
 Observation: His name - Denial
 
 From Dictionary.com:
 
 Entries found for denial.
 de·ni·al   Audio pronunciation of denial ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-nl)
 n.
 
1. A refusal to comply with or satisfy a request.
2.
  1. A refusal to grant the truth of a statement or allegation; a
 contradiction.
  2. Law. The opposing by a defendant of an allegation of the
 plaintiff.
3.
  1. A refusal to accept or believe something, such as a doctrine
 or belief.
  2. Psychology. An unconscious defense mechanism characterized
 by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.
4. The act of disowning or disavowing; repudiation.
5. Abstinence; self-denial.
 [From deny.]
 

Ooops - my bad. I took the nam in the message and not the actual
Sorry - It's Danial

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Re: Downgrade a port

2005-12-11 Thread Tobias Roth
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 12:18:05PM -0800, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
 
 Here is how you can bring all ports back to a prior day:

Or even simpler, if you want to only downgrade one port at a time:

sysutils/portdowngrade

cheers, t.
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_still_ looking for FreeBSD dvd ripping software...

2005-12-11 Thread user

In the windows world I used dvd decrypter.  It output .iso files directly,
and it supported removing macrovision (and most importantly) removing
prohibited user actions ( PUA / PUO ).

I cannot find anything like this for FreeBSD.  I asked previously, and was
shown sysutls/dvdbackup.  This program is extremely limited, has no
macrovision or PUA functionality, _and_ does not output ISO files.  I know
I can take its output and re-form it back to an ISO, but I bet it is not
the same as a direct ISO.  And a perfect copy is important to me.

So, does anyone know of any _decent_ way to rip a dvd _directly_ to an ISO
on FreeBSD, and that also supports advanced features like I mention above?

(a linux program that could be run under binary compatibility would be
fine with me ...)



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Re: _still_ looking for FreeBSD dvd ripping software...

2005-12-11 Thread Mac Mason
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 06:04:10PM -0500, user wrote:
 So, does anyone know of any _decent_ way to rip a dvd _directly_ to an ISO
 on FreeBSD, and that also supports advanced features like I mention above?

multimedia/dvdrip has worked well for me in the past. I've never
ripped straight to .iso, but I think dvdrip can handle it.

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HBA support

2005-12-11 Thread Justin Apperley
Hi FreeBSD,

 

Can you please advise which HBA's will work within the FreeBSD OS.

 

We are primarily interested in Emulex and QLogic cards. If you could
supply which models are supported that would be most appreciated.

 

Cheers

 

Justin

 

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NVRM errors from nvidia.ko

2005-12-11 Thread c m

I get this message with FreeBSD 6.0 and nvidia ports driver
NVRM: AGP cannot be enabled with this combination of AMD cpu and OS kernel, 
upgrade reccomended. Athlon 64 754 3000+ newcastle.


I get pci transfer rates and i need agp with FreeBSD's gart or nvidias gart 
doesnt matter.


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Re: Removing a port without upsetting dependencies

2005-12-11 Thread RW
On Saturday 10 December 2005 22:46, Ian Moore wrote:
 Hi,
 I have mplayer installed and at one stage I installed the mplayer-skins
 port as well. Then I got sick of dealing with the skins port being broken a
 lot because the source files are often unfetchable, so I removed the port
 (I can't remember what method I used to do that now).

A much better solution is to:

 cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins  make config

then deselect everything, but the default skin. 

Since I did that I haven't had any problem with unfetchable skins.



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courier-authlib-0.58 dumps core at login

2005-12-11 Thread Louis LeBlanc
Hey folks.

Is it me, or is the courier-authlib port the absolute worst thing to
upgrade?  It seems like *every* single time I try to upgrade this
port, I wind up with nobody being able to log into my courier
installation.  Usually, it's a simple matter of a simple manual
restart of the daemon (it shuts down fine at deinstallation, but won't
start back up when portupgrade is used), sometimes it's a minor config
tweak.

The thing is I keep forgetting this little issue for some stupid
reason, and this time, I've got the darn thing dumping core every time
someone tries to log in.

The ports/security/courier-authlib-base/ port installs without any
problems, but it only builds and installs the libauthpam.so module.
This is fine, I guess, since I've removed all the other modules from
the authmodulelist config - that's the only one it ever used before
anyway.

So, now I've gone through the whole fiasco of re-installing my entire
courier-* setup, verifying ALL the configs for authdaemonrc, imapd,
and imapd-ssl.  Still, authdaemond dumps core anytime someone tries to
log in.

Anyone else see anything wierd with courier-authlib-base-0.58?

I have googled for it, and all I get are links to the various copies
of the ports/UPDATING file.  Of course, it contains all the keywords I
can come up with, but none are relevant to the recent issue - and the
current UPDATING file has nothing about the latest courier-authlib
update.

BTW, I'm the only one on the system that can get mail, because I'm
using mutt.  My Thunderbird and Squirrelmail users cannot log into
either imap service (imapd with squirrelmail, imapd-ssl remotely).
So, this is a little annoying, and probably a bit urgent.

I have the entire port configuration output if it's of any help.  It
looks like the config process cycles through 12 times.

Any help would be appreciated.

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FreeBSD router two DSL connections

2005-12-11 Thread Yance Kowara
Hi all,

I am trying to figure out if *BSD can achieve this:

I have two DSL connections to play with, and I would
like to configure a *BSD router that can combine the
two DSLs together.

There is a howto at
http://stevenfettig.com/mythoughts/archives/000173.php

But it concerns OpenBSD and it was for a T1 connection
using a dual T1 card. I would like to configure one on
2 DSLs connected to two individual NICs.

Is this feasible at all, or should I just invest in a
dual Wan hardware?

Kind regards,

Yance

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Re: _still_ looking for FreeBSD dvd ripping software...

2005-12-11 Thread Remington
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 18:04 -0500, user wrote:
 In the windows world I used dvd decrypter.  It output .iso files directly,
 and it supported removing macrovision (and most importantly) removing
 prohibited user actions ( PUA / PUO ).
 
 I cannot find anything like this for FreeBSD.  I asked previously, and was
 shown sysutls/dvdbackup.  This program is extremely limited, has no
 macrovision or PUA functionality, _and_ does not output ISO files.  I know
 I can take its output and re-form it back to an ISO, but I bet it is not
 the same as a direct ISO.  And a perfect copy is important to me.
 
 So, does anyone know of any _decent_ way to rip a dvd _directly_ to an ISO
 on FreeBSD, and that also supports advanced features like I mention above?
 
 (a linux program that could be run under binary compatibility would be
 fine with me ...)
 
 
 
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once that happens we should have a very good program to use.

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Re: courier-authlib-0.58 dumps core at login

2005-12-11 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 12/11/05 09:44 PM, Louis LeBlanc sat at the `puter and typed:
 Hey folks.
 
 Is it me, or is the courier-authlib port the absolute worst thing to
 upgrade?  It seems like *every* single time I try to upgrade this
 port, I wind up with nobody being able to log into my courier
 installation.  Usually, it's a simple matter of a simple manual
 restart of the daemon (it shuts down fine at deinstallation, but won't
 start back up when portupgrade is used), sometimes it's a minor config
 tweak.
 
 The thing is I keep forgetting this little issue for some stupid
 reason, and this time, I've got the darn thing dumping core every time
 someone tries to log in.
 
 The ports/security/courier-authlib-base/ port installs without any
 problems, but it only builds and installs the libauthpam.so module.
 This is fine, I guess, since I've removed all the other modules from
 the authmodulelist config - that's the only one it ever used before
 anyway.
 
 So, now I've gone through the whole fiasco of re-installing my entire
 courier-* setup, verifying ALL the configs for authdaemonrc, imapd,
 and imapd-ssl.  Still, authdaemond dumps core anytime someone tries to
 log in.
 
 Anyone else see anything wierd with courier-authlib-base-0.58?
 
 I have googled for it, and all I get are links to the various copies
 of the ports/UPDATING file.  Of course, it contains all the keywords I
 can come up with, but none are relevant to the recent issue - and the
 current UPDATING file has nothing about the latest courier-authlib
 update.
 
 BTW, I'm the only one on the system that can get mail, because I'm
 using mutt.  My Thunderbird and Squirrelmail users cannot log into
 either imap service (imapd with squirrelmail, imapd-ssl remotely).
 So, this is a little annoying, and probably a bit urgent.
 
 I have the entire port configuration output if it's of any help.  It
 looks like the config process cycles through 12 times.

Quick followup:

I ran a couple tests with this as follows:  Using authtest, I was able
to see what the encrypted password was on my user account.  I then set
DEBUG=2 in the authdaemonrc file, and restarted the authdaemon.  This
routs encrypted passwords to the debug file when a login is attempted.

These passwords do match, but the debug log shows a rejection.

Here's the output to the debug log:
Dec 11 22:08:07 keyslapper imapd: Connection, ip=[::1]
Dec 11 22:08:07 keyslapper authdaemond: received auth request, service=imap, 
authtype=login
Dec 11 22:08:07 keyslapper authdaemond: authpam: trying this module
Dec 11 22:08:07 keyslapper authdaemond: authpam: sysusername=leblanc, 
sysuserid=null, sysgroupid=1001, homedir=/home/leblanc, address=leblanc, 
fullname=Louis LeBlanc, maildir=null, quota=null, options=null
Dec 11 22:08:07 keyslapper authdaemond: authpam: clearpasswd=null, 
passwd=$1$zXwYvUtS$W1234567890ABCdefGHIj/
Dec 11 22:08:07 keyslapper authdaemond: pam_service=imap,
pam_username=leblanc
Dec 11 22:08:07 keyslapper authdaemond: authpam: REJECT - try next
module
Dec 11 22:08:07 keyslapper authdaemond: FAIL, all modules rejected


and the authtest output:
root# authtest leblanc
Authentication succeeded.

 Authenticated: leblanc  (system username: leblanc)
Home Directory: /home/leblanc
   Maildir: (none)
 Quota: (none)
Encrypted Password: $1$zXwYvUtS$W1234567890ABCdefGHIj/
Cleartext Password: (none)
   Options: wbnodsn=1


Naturally, I changed the encrypted password here, but rest assured I
did check them character by character.

BTW, authdaemond did dump core again.

Thanks again.
Lou
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Re: Removing a port without upsetting dependencies

2005-12-11 Thread Kent Stewart
On Sunday 11 December 2005 06:10 pm, RW wrote:
 On Saturday 10 December 2005 22:46, Ian Moore wrote:
  Hi,
  I have mplayer installed and at one stage I installed the
  mplayer-skins port as well. Then I got sick of dealing with the
  skins port being broken a lot because the source files are often
  unfetchable, so I removed the port (I can't remember what method I
  used to do that now).

 A much better solution is to:

  cd /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer-skins  make config

 then deselect everything, but the default skin.

 Since I did that I haven't had any problem with unfetchable skins.


If you go into distfiles/mplayer and rm all of the files that are out of 
date, you won't have any problem either. IIRC, the names haven't 
changed but the MD5 and sizes have and it won't refetch them until you 
remove them. The skins aren't broken. There is something slightly out 
of whack with the Makefile.

There may be an easier way but cd and rm * works just fine.

Kent

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Re: _still_ looking for FreeBSD dvd ripping software...

2005-12-11 Thread Aaron Peterson
  In the windows world I used dvd decrypter.  It output .iso files directly,
  and it supported removing macrovision (and most importantly) removing
  prohibited user actions ( PUA / PUO ).
 
  I cannot find anything like this for FreeBSD.  I asked previously, and was
  shown sysutls/dvdbackup.  This program is extremely limited, has no
  macrovision or PUA functionality, _and_ does not output ISO files.  I know
  I can take its output and re-form it back to an ISO, but I bet it is not
  the same as a direct ISO.  And a perfect copy is important to me.
 
  So, does anyone know of any _decent_ way to rip a dvd _directly_ to an ISO
  on FreeBSD, and that also supports advanced features like I mention above?
 
  (a linux program that could be run under binary compatibility would be
  fine with me ...)


 lxdvdrip works well. And ShrinkTo5 should be ported over to linux soon.
 once that happens we should have a very good program to use.

Ripping a dvd to an image that can be burned to a writable dvd is not
a cut and dried procedure for a number of reasons.  I have used a
number of tools on bsd to get the job done in various circumstances. 
The tools I've used include vobcopy, mplayer/mencoder, transcode (for
tcrequant), mjpeg-tools (for mplex), dvdauthor, and growisofs.  I have
also used dvdrip with some success.  Hope this information moves you
in the right direction.

Aaron
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FreeBSD starter machine

2005-12-11 Thread Matt S. Gann
  I have a few questions about FreeBSD.  I am just beginning to get into UNIX.  
I know a few line commands, but really want to get familiar and comfortable 
with the OS.  I have been intrugued by FreeBSD for many years now, but I own a 
windows-based PC and am not keen about running dual OS's.  I would like to get 
a cheap, used, small desktop or laptop to tinker with Unix/Linix and FreeBSD. 
 However, I know little to nothing about system requirements and/or hardware 
compability.  I was thinking of an old 486 or Pentium 1 to get started.  Any 
thoughts on what I could start with?
   
  Sincerely,
  Matt S. Gann



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IBM xSeries 226 ips problem

2005-12-11 Thread Tsakhlai Baatar
i got a problem during boot of FreeBSD 6.0 Release on my new IBM @Server 
xSeries 226.
  there is something like resetting ips driver it will take a 5 minute 
message occurs and system not continue to other process.
  What is wrong with that. How do I install FreeBSD in this situation?
   




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Re: FreeBSD starter machine

2005-12-11 Thread Chris Hill

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Matt S. Gann wrote:

I have a few questions about FreeBSD.  I am just beginning to get 
into UNIX.  I know a few line commands, but really want to get 
familiar and comfortable with the OS.  I have been intrugued by 
FreeBSD for many years now, but I own a windows-based PC and am not 
keen about running dual OS's.  I would like to get a cheap, used, 
small desktop or laptop to tinker with Unix/Linix and FreeBSD. 
However, I know little to nothing about system requirements and/or 
hardware compability.  I was thinking of an old 486 or Pentium 1 to 
get started.  Any thoughts on what I could start with?


Please press Return (or Enter) every once in a while. Your message was 
one long line.


As for the question, I think you'd want a relatively modern machine to 
start with; in your example, I'd go with the Pentium over the 486. But 
either one might give you grief. I've had problems installing late 
model FreeBSD on truly ancient hardware, so I'd suggest you go with 
something that's not too long in the tooth. The website recommendations 
regarding CPU, RAM and disk space are really bare minima; in reality, 
you can't have too much of any of these, just as with any OS. Here's a 
comparison of extremes: I built my newest machine earlier this year with 
a 3.4GHz P4, 1GB of RAM and 160GB disk. My oldest machine dates from the 
late 1990s and has a 266MHz AMD K6-2, 32 MB of RAM, and 4GB of disk. The 
old machine works fine, but building anything is excruciatingly slow.


I think you're right about not being keen about running dual OS's - I 
prefer to keep one OS per machine. Lots of people dual-boot with no 
problem, but it just doesn't feel right to me. Maybe it's a personal 
preference issue.


Here's a thought: Since it's the holiday season, many retailers are 
offering deals on new computers. If your current Win* box is a few years 
old, how about upgrading to a new machine? Once your stuff is tranferred 
over, install FreeBSD on the old machine. At least you'll get known-good 
hardware (assuming everything worked before), and it will be somewhat 
modern since your current box is probably not more than three to five 
years old.  Also, since the box is not brand-new, there's a good chance 
that the hardware is fully supported under FreeBSD - it sometimes takes 
a little time before the newest hardware is useable under FreeBSD, 
depending on what it is.


Good luck, and welcome to sanity :^)

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Re: HBA support

2005-12-11 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Dec 12), Justin Apperley said:
 Can you please advise which HBA's will work within the FreeBSD OS.
 
 We are primarily interested in Emulex and QLogic cards. If you could
 supply which models are supported that would be most appreciated.

There is no emulex support for FreeBSD; Qlogic 2[123]xx cards are
supported by the isp driver.  There is also support for LSI-Logic
fibre-channel cards with the mpt driver.

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Cardbus panics

2005-12-11 Thread Josef Grosch
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Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:52:43 -0800
From: Josef Grosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Cardbus panics

I have an IBM T22 thinkpad running FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p8. I have the
CardBus devices in the current kernel. When I insert a CardBus device, A
Xircom RealPort CardBus Ethernet I get a kernel panic like so;

Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: cbb alloc res fail 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: cardbus1: Can't get memory for IO ports 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: dc0: Xircom X3201 10/100BaseTX port 0-0x7f mem \
0x8800-0x880007ff,0x88000800-0x88000fff at device 0.0 on cardbus1 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: cbb alloc res fail 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: dc0: couldn't map ports/memory 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel:  
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel:  
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: fault virtual address = 0x30 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: fault code= supervisor write, pag\
e not present 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: instruction pointer   = 0x8:0xc07b01f2 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: stack pointer = 0x10:0xd5428c10 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: frame pointer = 0x10:0xd5428c14 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: code segment  = base 0x0, limit 0xfff\
ff, type 0x1b 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: processor eflags  = interrupt enabled, resume, IO\
PL = 0 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: current process   = 38 (cbb1) 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: trap number   = 12 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: panic: page fault 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: Uptime: 35s 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: Cannot dump. No dump device defined. 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on t\
he console to abort 


Any ideas How I can fix this? The suggested sysctl, 
hw.pci.allow_unsupported_io_range, does not seem to exist in the kernel.


Josef

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RE: FreeBSD starter machine

2005-12-11 Thread Gayn Winters

 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt S. Gann
 Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:08 PM
 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
 Subject: FreeBSD starter machine
 
   I have a few questions about FreeBSD.  I am just beginning 
 to get into UNIX.  I know a few line commands, but really 
 want to get familiar and comfortable with the OS.  I have 
 been intrugued by FreeBSD for many years now, but I own a 
 windows-based PC and am not keen about running dual OS's.  I 
 would like to get a cheap, used, small desktop or laptop to 
 tinker with Unix/Linix and FreeBSD.  However, I know little 
 to nothing about system requirements and/or hardware 
 compability.  I was thinking of an old 486 or Pentium 1 to 
 get started.  Any thoughts on what I could start with?
 
Dual booting works fine if you have some extra disk space (or an extra
disk you can add.)  

If you want a separate PC, then don't use too old of a machine.  While
it is fun doing useful things on old systems, for your first unix system
you don't want to spend too much time getting old hardware to work or
repairing it when it dies.  Your time is better spent learning the OS.
Also, while I would recommend learning a unix system in command mode
before bringing up a windowing system, if you want to learn unix
windowing systems, then you are going to want a somewhat faster cpu with
a decent video system.  

With a little looking around, you can probably get, at near zero cost, a
PC that is 5 years old.  That will put you in the 400Mhz+ range and any
unix will be very happy with most configurations that you find on such a
PC.  I'd insist on a 100mbps NIC and a decent CDROM as well. Make sure
the PC boots from the CDROM. (Try before you buy.) Not only is a unix
installation easier when booting from a CD, but there are several handy
CD based tools and diagnostics. I'd also look for a bigger box with a
few spare PCI slots so that you can add stuff easily as you are
learning.

For $19 I bought a new 2-port Belkin KVM switch, which I use to switch
between my MS-Windows PC and my other desktop, which I will soon
upgrade from FreeBSD 5.4 to 6.0.  This saves a lot of space on my desk,
and switching between the two is just a couple keystrokes.  You might
consider it.  It is especially handy when you are trying out different
installations.  For my FreeBSD servers, I use Putty to ssh into them
from my Windows machine (and openssh from my FreeBSD machines.) The key
thing is to make it easy to access your unix system(s) so that you learn
faster.

Have fun!

-gayn

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714/532-6776
www.bristolsystems.com 


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Re: FreeBSD starter machine

2005-12-11 Thread Robert Huff

Chris Hill writes:

  Here's a thought: Since it's the holiday season, many retailers
  are offering deals on new computers. If your current Win* box is
  a few years old, how about upgrading to a new machine?

Or find a friend who's upgrading, and offer them a reasonable
price for their old machine.  Pentiums in the mid 1 ghz range are
disgustingly cheap.
Some thoughts:
1) _Big_ disk.  Even for a training machine, an installation
with the source tree and X will run larger than you think.
2) Memory.  At least 256M, and 512M if you can get it.
3) Unless you're planning on replacing it anyway, check the
ethernet card.  Some older cards are notorious for poor performance;
search the mailing list archives for discussions.


Robert Huff

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Cardbus panics

2005-12-11 Thread Josef Grosch
I have an IBM T22 thinkpad running FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p8. I have the
CardBus devices in the current kernel. When I insert a CardBus device, A
Xircom RealPort CardBus Ethernet I get a kernel panic like so;

Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: cbb alloc res fail 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: cardbus1: Can't get memory for IO ports 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: dc0: Xircom X3201 10/100BaseTX port 0-0x7f mem \
0x8800-0x880007ff,0x88000800-0x88000fff at device 0.0 on cardbus1 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: cbb alloc res fail 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: dc0: couldn't map ports/memory 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel:  
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel:  
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: fault virtual address = 0x30 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: fault code= supervisor write, pag\
e not present 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: instruction pointer   = 0x8:0xc07b01f2 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: stack pointer = 0x10:0xd5428c10 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: frame pointer = 0x10:0xd5428c14 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: code segment  = base 0x0, limit 0xfff\
ff, type 0x1b 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: processor eflags  = interrupt enabled, resume, IO\
PL = 0 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: current process   = 38 (cbb1) 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: trap number   = 12 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: panic: page fault 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: Uptime: 35s 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: Cannot dump. No dump device defined. 
Dec  9 18:42:32 paris kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on t\
he console to abort 


Any ideas How I can fix this? The suggested sysctl, 
hw.pci.allow_unsupported_io_range, does not seem to exist in the kernel.


Josef

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Re: Changing maximum number of groups in FBSD - is it feasible?

2005-12-11 Thread Igor Robul
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 09:26:36AM +1030, Ian Moore wrote:
 So it actually does work! And there's no need to adjust or re-compile any 
 ports, just world and kernel?
World, kernel, static linked ports and all ports which use NGROUPS_MAX
constant for space allocation. Samba worked fine for me without
recompilation :-)
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RE: FreeBSD router two DSL connections

2005-12-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

If both DSL lines go to the same ISP it is easy, run
PPP on them and setup multilink PPP.  The ISP has to
do so also.

If they are going to different ISP's then you cannot
do it with any operating system or device save BGP - the idea is
completely -stupid- to put it simply.  If you think different,
then explain why and I'll shoot every networking scenario
you present so full of holes you will think it's swiss cheese.
And if you think your going to run BGP I'll shoot that full
of holes also.

Note that Steven's scenario below is for 2 circuits that
both start at a single entity, and both end at a single entity.

Ted


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Subject: FreeBSD router two DSL connections


Hi all,

I am trying to figure out if *BSD can achieve this:

I have two DSL connections to play with, and I would
like to configure a *BSD router that can combine the
two DSLs together.

There is a howto at
http://stevenfettig.com/mythoughts/archives/000173.php

But it concerns OpenBSD and it was for a T1 connection
using a dual T1 card. I would like to configure one on
2 DSLs connected to two individual NICs.

Is this feasible at all, or should I just invest in a
dual Wan hardware?

Kind regards,

Yance

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RE: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Kennaway
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:13 PM
To: Danial Thom
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Kris Kennaway
Subject: Re: Freebsd Theme Song


On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 06:33:49AM -0800, Danial Thom wrote:

   But thats not even the point. The point is that the purpose of
   tearing apart 4.x was to go MP, and MP
   performance is dismill across the board.

  This statement is simply false.  It's actually
  quite funny to read.

 Whats false about it, Kris?

I've quoted it again for you above.  When you take your packet
bridging blinders off, there are many performance improvements to be
measured from SMP kernels (and UP, for that matter) on FreeBSD 6.0
compared to 4.11.  Filesystem performance, for one.

FreeBSD 6 is 30% faster than 4.11 at filesystem write operations
(extracting a large tarball full of small files and many
subdirectories) with an amr disk array on the same UP system.  On this
hardware FreeBSD 4.11 is unable to make effective use of a second CPU
on the same test (it's often slightly slower); FreeBSD 6.0 receives a
10-15% boost on this workload from a second CPU (this seems to be
limited by hardware access constraints - the amr hardware API does not
encourage concurrency).

Performance on a benchmark that does a lot of parallel filesystem
reads and forks tens of thousands of processes (ports collection INDEX
builds) is 25% faster on 6.0 than 5.4, and is about 3 times faster
under SMP than UP on a 4-CPU machine.

On a 4-CPU amd64 machine running 6.0, concurrent write performance to
a md is 2.7 times faster under SMP than UP.  On a 14-CPU sparc64
machine it is 6.1 times faster (and it would be higher except the very
low memory bandwidth and 400MHz CPU speed cause some of the kernel
threads to saturate easily).

But of course, Denial tells us that none of this means anything about
FreeBSD performance and scalability, because it doesn't help him with
the only thing he cares about, which is to sell systems that bridge
high-speed networks.


Kris,

  To me, this argument sounds suspiciously like I don't care that
networking
performance is slower because the shit in the OS that _I_ use is faster,
so
fuck all the rest of you who want faster network performance.

You, meanwhile, are criticizing Danial for in effect saying I don't care
that
filesystem stuff is faster because the shit in the OS that _I_ use is
slower,
so fuck all the rest of you who are happy you have faster filesystem
performance

Kind of pot calling kettle black, here.

If you are AGREEING with Danial that 5.4 and 6.0 networking performance
is SLOWER then 4.X performance, why are you HAPPY and CONTENTED
with this?  Is it now OK to speed up one part of the system at the
expense of
slowing down another part?  Sounds to me like the argument Microsoft
makes
that so what that Windows XP is slower than Windows 2K, it has lots of
better
eye-candy.

Ted

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RE: Freebsd Theme Song

2005-12-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Kris Kennaway
Subject: Re: Freebsd Theme Song


Danial Thom wrote:

 Kris is just a PR front man for a team of
 developers that is lost. Their theory on how to
 build a better mousetrap for MP is completely
 wrong, and now they're going to try something
 else, using the entire FreeBSD community as
 guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then 6.0.
 Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn
 shame.

 DT

IF you are such a man that can actually call himself an engineer - why
hide behind Yahoo mail?


Good point.  Legally no entity can compel Danial to hide his real name
when he's making posts on his own time.  This business about his job
requiring it is pure bullcrap.  Get on the cisco-nsp mailing list,
there's plenty of Cisco developers who post from time to time
with real cisco.com e-mail addresses.  The only thing an employer
can demand is such posts if they refer to the employee position
at a company that the poster attach a disclaimer stating that it's
not an official corporate communication, etc. as well as the person
cannot disclose trade secrets.  (and no, under the law an employer
cannot claim that an employee simply talking about FreeBSD is
revealing a trade secret, the definition of that term is
fairly strict)  But an employer cannot demand an employee
must not identify his employer.  Only a government can do that to
a government employee such as military or cia or some such.

I choose to use the same name in cyberspace as IRL, for a number of
reasons, the primary one being I know that when it comes to brass
tacks, you can run but you cannot hide on the Internet.  Any
investigative
agency with police powers can get Danial's real name if they really
wanted to, and there's plenty of illegal ways to to it too.  I regard
people who hide behind aliases as rather inexperienced and immature
people, who have little understanding of how the Internet really works,
but the fact is that a lot of people do it, and it is not impossible to
develop some credibility with an alias.

Next, IF you are as you claim to be - WHY are you not on the team or
at least contributing code?


Chris, you cannot effect change by being part of the problem.  If
Danial truly thinks that the direction the core team is going with
FreeBSD is wrong, then why would he be contributing to the problem
by helping them?

To insult one person for not seeing your point of view is a show of
closed mindedness - to insult a whole list of users ... Well, I do think
that speaks volumes about you - as a whole.


Well here's from my POV for what that's worth:

1) Why the hell is this discussion even taking place under a
thread titled FreeBSD Theme Song?

2) While the topic of this discussion is pertinent and interesting,
I have seen no repeatable and even somewhat authoratative test results
on all the systems in question.  Simply saying I copied a 200MB file
across
FreeBSD in bridged mode is not enough.  If Danial has seen problems
he needs to post a website that details the issues down to a complete
hardware workup and rundown on his network and test systems, and that
includes results from the managed switches that he's using.

3) You by contrast and others have also not posted a scrap of hard
data or results that contradicts Danial, testing that is repeatable
and such.

This entire thing would be easily solved by someone actually doing
the work to verify test results, rather than a bunch of opinions.
There's plenty of valid opinion-only topics out there, but this
isn't one.

Ted

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Re: FreeBSD starter machine

2005-12-11 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:07:44 -0800 (PST)
Matt S. Gann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I have a few questions about FreeBSD.  I am just beginning to get
 into UNIX.  I know a few line commands, but really want to get
 familiar and comfortable with the OS.  I have been intrugued by
 FreeBSD for many years now, but I own a windows-based PC and am not
 keen about running dual OS's.  I would like to get a cheap, used,
 small desktop or laptop to tinker with Unix/Linix and FreeBSD.
 However, I know little to nothing about system requirements and/or
 hardware compability.  I was thinking of an old 486 or Pentium 1 to
 get started.  Any thoughts on what I could start with? Sincerely,
 Matt S. Gann
 

I've had no problems installing FreeBSD on old Pentiums.  I also have a
Dell Inspiron 8100 (laptop) that dual boots Windows XP and FreeBSD 5-
STABLE.

The problem with old equipment is that it will be slow.  Whether your
using a resource intensive desktop environment such as KDE or learning
to customize the kernel, you'll want a bit of speed and a bit more of
RAM. If you go with an old system, try to max out the motherboard's
RAM. Once you're happy with FreeBSD on old equipment, you'll get the
itch to see what it can do on really good hardware.

I'm currently installing FreeBSD 6.0 on a Pentium II 333 with 128MB RAM
for my grandson. To help compensate for the system's limitations,
I've installed a light weight window manager. It's in situations like
this that you see real benefits to having choices in software.

Good luck (and welcome to sanity)!

Andrew Gould
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