Re: OT: Rhyme

2010-03-24 Thread Sergio Tam
2010/3/24 Olivier Nicole :
> Hi,
>
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> Is this the one you mean?
>
> Top posting, that's the word I was missing, now I could find that:
>
> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
>
>

Hi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855

Regards.
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Re: OT: Rhyme

2010-03-24 Thread Arun S
> That rhyme is written backward saying something like "why whouldn't
> you back quote, because it is difficult to read".
> 
It's not a rhyme, but it reminds me of this quote:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. 
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Is this the one you mean?

-Arun
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Re: OT: Rhyme

2010-03-24 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. 
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> Is this the one you mean?

Top posting, that's the word I was missing, now I could find that:

A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?


Thanks,

Olivier
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FreeBSD 8 / amd64 / Xorg / nvidia GeForce 5200

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Gustafson
Hi,

My workstation runs FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE amd64.  I have Xorg 1.6.5 and an nVidia 
GeForce 5200 dual head video card.

Currently the first head of the card is operating well using the "nv" driver.  
I tried to compile the nvidia-driver port, but it tells me that I need 
nvidia-driver-173 because the 5200 chipset isn't supported by the current 
driver.  When I go to compile nvidia-driver-173 it tells me that it is not 
supported under the amd64 architecture.  I can't switch to an i386 kernel 
because I need the amd64 architecture to take advantage of all my RAM and also 
because I am using ZFS on this workstation, which more or less requires the 
amd64 architecture.

So, I have two questions:

1. Is there any way to get the nvidia-driver-173 port to work with my amd64 OS?

2. Is there any way to get the second head of the 5200 video card to work using 
the nv driver?  I tried adding a second device section to xorg.conf but the 
system errors out telling me that it tried to use conflicting hardware.  I've 
attached both my xorg.conf and my Xorg.0.log file to this message.

Or am I stuck buying a newer card?

Tim Gustafson
Baskin School of Engineering
UC Santa Cruz
t...@soe.ucsc.edu
831-459-5354



xorg.conf.2010-03-24
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Re: hoope THIS works...

2010-03-24 Thread Olivier Nicole
> for reasons that are beyond me,  a few hours ago i stopped being able to
> connect with my mail server.   mutt tells me "(connection refused)";
> the other GUI mailer say zip; they simply do not connect.
> 
> i rebooted my HUB among other things; before that, i could not get outside my 
> network; nor could i even get to ethic [my Server].  since the only thing i
> did was powercycle my linksys hub, i figure that did it.
> 
> right now i am continuing the portupgrade on my mail/web/dns server in 
> the hopes that when that is done, mail will work again.  if not, what else
> could it be?  directories/files/links i need to check/?

It seems the reboot of your Linksys switch helped some how.

Before portupgrading randomly this or that application, you should try
to understand what is going wrong.

Upgrade of DNS should go easily, but when you start upgrading web or
mail, you are talking about tens or hunderds of applications, you are
very likely something goes wrong and you break a system that was
working before.

When you say you could not "get" to ethic, what do you mean?

- Cannot ping?

- Cannot ssh?

- Cannot telnet port 22, 25, 80?

- Cannot traceroute (if your station and the server are on different
  LAN)?

- Cannot ping another machine on your LAN?

- Are you sure it was not your desktop that was faulty?

- Etc.

You should make a diagnostic before trying to apply any solution.

As the reboot of thw switch did it, to me it looks like a network
issue: bad switch, bad cable, some highly infected machine on your LAN
that is stressing the swtich, rather than a server/service issue.

Good luck,

Olivier
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hoope THIS works...

2010-03-24 Thread Gary Kline

for reasons that are beyond me,  a few hours ago i stopped being able to
connect with my mail server.   mutt tells me "(connection refused)";
the other GUI mailer say zip; they simply do not connect.

i rebooted my HUB among other things; before that, i could not get outside my 
network; nor could i even get to ethic [my Server].  since the only thing i
did was powercycle my linksys hub, i figure that did it.

right now i am continuing the portupgrade on my mail/web/dns server in 
the hopes that when that is done, mail will work again.  if not, what else
could it be?  directories/files/links i need to check/?

tx,

gary

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Install of Apache 2.2.15 after installing ssl lastes

2010-03-24 Thread Rob Weissenburger
I have been picking my brain apart trying to figure this one out. Any 
help is appricated.


./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache --mandir=/usr/local/man 
--enable-ssl --enable-suexec --enable-cgi --enable-rewrite --enable-so 
--enable-modules=most --enable-mods-shared=max --sysconfdir=/etc/apache 
--with-apr=/usr/local/ --with-apr-util=/usr/local/


/usr/local/build-1/libtool --silent --mode=link gcc -g -O2 
-L/usr/local/lib   -o ab  ab.lo   -lm 
/usr/local/httpd-2.2.15/srclib/pcre/libpcre.la 
/usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lexpat -liconv 
/usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt -lpthread -lssl -lcrypto -lcrypt 
-lpthread

.libs/ab.o(.text+0xb7): In function `ssl_print_cb':
/usr/local/httpd-2.2.15/support/ab.c:409: undefined reference to 
`BIO_get_callback_arg'

.libs/ab.o(.text+0x25e3): In function `start_connect':
/usr/local/httpd-2.2.15/support/ab.c:1204: undefined reference to 
`BIO_set_callback'
.libs/ab.o(.text+0x25f1):/usr/local/httpd-2.2.15/support/ab.c:1205: 
undefined reference to `BIO_set_callback_arg'

.libs/ab.o(.text+0x4e2f): In function `main':
/usr/local/httpd-2.2.15/support/ab.c:2278: undefined reference to 
`SSL_CTX_set_info_callback'

*** Error code 1

# openssl version
OpenSSL 0.9.8m 25 Feb 2010
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OT: Rhyme

2010-03-24 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

I am in deep need of help right now.

I am preparing some training about using email and am looking for that
small rhyme saying that you should reply after the quote of the
original message, not before it.

That rhyme is written backward saying something like "why whouldn't
you back quote, because it is difficult to read".

But of course I cannot find it now that I need it.

I know some people here use it as signature so my hope is in your hands :)

TIA,

Olivier
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Compiling kernel with gcc43

2010-03-24 Thread Mario Lobo
Hi;

I followed the instructions from 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/custom-gcc/article.html

to see if I can achieve some performance gain (8-STABLE r205630 amd64) and 
also get a more modern instruction set for my Phenom II (amdfam10), so I've 
done the following config settings:

make.conf

.if !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/ports/*) && exists(/usr/local/bin/gcc43)
CC=/usr/local/bin/gcc43
CXX=/usr/local/bin/g++43
CPP=/usr/local/bin/cpp43
CFLAGS+=-mssse3
CPUTYPE=amdfam10
.endif

libmap.conf

libgcc_s.so.1   gcc43/libgcc_s.so.1
libgomp.so.1gcc43/libgomp.so.1
libobjc.so.3gcc43/libobjc.so.2
libssp.so.0 gcc43/libssp.so.0
libstdc++.so.6  gcc43/libstdc++.so.6
 

buildworld goes on normally it seems, but when I tried to build the kernel, 
the first stop came from the option used by the kernel build "-fformat-
extensions", which is not accepted by gcc43, so I took it out of 
/usr/src/sys/conf/kern.mk, the ONLY place I found it.

It seemed to solve the problem until gcc43 stopped because of the "-Werror" 
option, which is all over the place!. Funny that gcc42 (used by default) 
doesn't stop because of this option.

Anyway,my question boils down to: Is there a way to build the kernel with 
gcc43, with minimal tweaking? Am i attempting something out of my league?

Thanks,
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sysinstall: "You need to assign disk labels before you can proceed with the installation"

2010-03-24 Thread Christopher Key
Hello,

Having run into various problems trying to upgrade from 7.2 to 8.0, I'm
instead trying to perform a clean install using sysintall.

I've downloaded 8.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img, modifed it to use a
serial console and flashed it to a USB drive.  This boots quite happily,
and presents me with the sysintall screen.

I'm intending to install to a pair of drives, mirrored with gmirror and
partitioned with GPT.  I therefore immediately drop into the fixit
shell, create the mirror, partition it, and mount the new partitions
under /newroot/, /newroot/usr etc.  I then exit back to sysinstall,
select custom install, point install root to /newroot and choose
distribution, media.  On selecting commit, sysinstall immediately
presents the message "You need to assign disk labels before you can
proceed with the installation", and won't proceed.

It seems this only happens when sysinstall is running in single user
mode.  I have manged to make some progress with tricking sysintall into
getting past this message.  If I run sysinstall within the fixit shell
(rather than exiting), I get a new instance of sysinstall with a pid
other than 1.  Symlinking /usr/bin to /stand, seems to provide most of
the binaries it needs, and it proceeeds part of the way through
installing the system before getting stuck on the documentation.

I avoided this problem when installing 7.2 by creating an mfsbsd image,
booting that, and then running sysinstall from there, but I'd rather not
have the hassle of doing this for every future release.  Moreover,
creating an mfsbsd image may not even be an option in the event of a
diasaster.

Is anyone aware of any way of installing using sysintall from the
standard FreeBSD media, but without using sysintall to partition and
label the target disks?


Kind regards,

Christopher Key

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Re: Firefox 3.6.X and Thunderbird 3.0.X crashing with Radeon graphics on FBSD 8.0-STABLE SMP/sm64 box

2010-03-24 Thread O. Hartmann

On 03/24/10 15:06, Gary Jennejohn wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:32:40 +
"O. Hartmann"  wrote:


Since the introduction of Thunderbird 3.0 and Firefox 3.6 I see
spontanous crashes/coredumps of both thunderbird and firefox. Interingly
Firefox 3.5.X works well on he same platform.

The platform is a FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE/amd64 (r205536: Tue Mar 23 22:19:04
CET 2010), SMP box with 8GB of RAM, QuadCore Intel Q6600 on a P35-based
motherboard.

Thunderbird 3 crashes rarely compared to Firefox 3. The longer the
application thunderbird runs, the higher the likelyhood the app crashes
and vanishes. Sometimes this happens immediately after starting
thunderbird, sometimes it takes its few minutes or half an hour.

Firefox 3 is sensitive to its pull-down menus or requester showing up in
some situations. I can provoke a crash by clicking onto a pull-down-menu
in firefox 3, it immediately dumps a core.



If you suspect the graphics card's driver is at fault then I would try
linux-opera or even linux-firefox and see whether it also dies when you
use a drop-down menu.

Another possibility would be to set hw.physmem to say 3G or 4G in
loader.conf and see whether that affects thunderbird/firefox.  Who
knows, there may some weird problem caused by all that memory?  That
would a fairly quick and cheap way to test this.

--
Gary Jennejohn


You're right, I'll test this as soon as I'm back in my lab.

Oliver Hartmann
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Re: freebsd-update(8) under sparc64? Why is it not available?

2010-03-24 Thread Marius Strobl
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:57:09AM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote:
> You're the first one to ask in a while.  Since our userbase is small,
> and developer time is limited, we've never set it up.
> 

The last time this topic came up IMO there was quite some
interest in getting this running but the showstopper was that
cperciva@ said that a requirement for any platform supported
by freebsd-update(8) would be that the build server is able
to run buildworld in 1 hour at most (unfortunately I currently
just can't find that email). My 4x1.5GHz V440 I originally
intended for this purpose unfortunately still takes 72 minutes
last time I checked. I suspect a 8x1.2GHz V880 would be able
to meet this requirement but I simply can't afford the housing
for such a beast.
Ken, did the V880s at your university become available as
intended some time ago?

Marius

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Re: 8.0 amd64 - Royally screwed up MBR (My own fault)

2010-03-24 Thread Henrik Hudson
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Gene wrote:

> Greetings - (not a draft notice)
> 
> First thanks to those who responded to my previous question.
> 
> Next...
> 
> I was attempting to install 8.0 amd64 w/ZFS. I used instructions from the wiki
> and when I had trouble, I decided to beat a strategic retreat and just do a
> "vanilla" install. Problem was that either fdisk didn't recognize the mbr
> after all the 'gpart create'-ing or simply couldn't start newfs. (Something
> about not being able to find an initial inode.) I figured 'gpart destroy ad0'
> might fix things but no such luck. fdisk -I ad0 also errors out saying "unable
> to locate class".
> 
> Does anyone know of a simple (brute force?) way to restore simple. standard
> MBRs without having to resort to a hex editor? (I will if I have to, but I'd
> rather not.)

This will wipe the MBR: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=446 count=1

replace of=/dev/sdb  without whatever /dev/sd? you need.

henrik
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Re: tuning vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending and solving the issue of ZFS writes choking read IO

2010-03-24 Thread Ivan Voras

Dan Naumov wrote:

Hello

I am having a slight issue (and judging by Google results, similar
issues have been seen by other FreeBSD and Solaris/OpenSolaris users)
with writes choking the read IO. The issue I am having is described
pretty well here:
http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=106453 It seems that
under heavy write load, ZFS likes to aggregate a really huge amount of
data before actually writing it to disks, resulting in sudden 10+
second stalls where it frantically tries to commit everything,
completely choking read IO in the process and sometimes even the
network (with a large enough write to a mirror pool using DD, I can
cause my SSH sessions to drop dead, without actually running out of
RAM. As soon as the data is committed, I can reconnect back).


Mostly a wild guess, but can you test if this patch will help with 
choking your network and ssh:


http://people.freebsd.org/~ivoras/diffs/spa.c.diff

?

You can then fiddle with the vfs.zfs.zio_worker_threads_count loader 
tunable to see if it helps more.


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8.0 amd64 - Royally screwed up MBR (My own fault)

2010-03-24 Thread Gene
Greetings - (not a draft notice)

First thanks to those who responded to my previous question.

Next...

I was attempting to install 8.0 amd64 w/ZFS. I used instructions from the wiki
and when I had trouble, I decided to beat a strategic retreat and just do a
"vanilla" install. Problem was that either fdisk didn't recognize the mbr
after all the 'gpart create'-ing or simply couldn't start newfs. (Something
about not being able to find an initial inode.) I figured 'gpart destroy ad0'
might fix things but no such luck. fdisk -I ad0 also errors out saying "unable
to locate class".

Does anyone know of a simple (brute force?) way to restore simple. standard
MBRs without having to resort to a hex editor? (I will if I have to, but I'd
rather not.)

Thanks for any assistance...

IHN,
Gene

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Re: simple zfs query

2010-03-24 Thread krad
On 24 March 2010 11:33, Matthew Seaman wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 24/03/2010 10:31:51, John wrote:
> > With ZFS and 3x 2Tb SATA disks, what percentage of theoretical diskspace
> > would I realise? I'm hoping at least 5Tb would be usable?
>
> That depends on how you configure your zpool.  The choices are:
>
>  disk -- just uses the disk directly as a vdev.  Means you can use 100%
> of the space, but you have absolutely no resilience
>
>  mirror -- for which you'ld need an even number of disks and you get 50%
>   of the raw as usable space.  Can survive at least one disk
>   failure, and possibly up to as many as half of the disks
>   failing.
>
>  raidz -- single parity (equivalent to RAID5).  For N disks, 1 disk
>  worth is used for parity data, leaving N - 1 disks' worth as
>  the actual capacity. So you'ld get 66% of raw in your case.
>  Can survive failure of any one disk.
>
>  raidz2 -- double parity (equivalent to RAID6). For N disks, 2 disks
>   worth are used for parity data, leaving N - 2 disks worth as
>   actual capacity. Or 33% of raw in your case.  Can survive
>   failure of any two disks.
>
> Note that 3 drives is the minimum for either of the raidz types, and
> won't give you the best performance.  See zpool(1M) for details.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Matthew
>
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If you want 100% of the drives you could have a pool per drive. Its not as
nice as one big pool, but its less risky than one big raid0
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Re: tuning vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending and solving the issue of ZFS writes choking read IO

2010-03-24 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Dan Nelson wrote:


I had similar problems on a 32GB Solaris server at work.  Note that with
compression enabled, the entire system pauses while it compresses the
outgoing block of data.  It's just a fraction of a second, but long enough
for end-users to complain about bad performance in X sessions.  I had to
throttle back to a 256MB write limit size to make the stuttering go away
completely.  It didn't affect write throughput much at all.


Apparently this was a kernel thread priority problem in Solaris.  It 
is apparently fixed in recent versions of OpenSolaris.  The fix 
required adding a scheduling class which allowed the kernel thread 
doing the compression to be less than the priority of normal user 
processes (such as the X11 server).


Bob
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Re: Pure-ftpd non anonymous

2010-03-24 Thread Adam PAPAI
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On 3/24/10 8:07 PM, m.anis wrote:
> # Disallow anonymous connections. Only allow authenticated users.

Did you restart pure-ftpd after the changes?

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/pure-ftpd stop
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/pure-ftpd start


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Pure-ftpd non anonymous

2010-03-24 Thread m.anis

Hi all,
i'm still new on freebsd, please help me.
i had installed pure-ftpd. it is working with the anonymous login.
i'd like to make it non anonymous login, so only authenticated user can 
log in.

here what i did :

# Don't allow authenticated users - have a public anonymous FTP only.

AnonymousOnly   no

# Disallow anonymous connections. Only allow authenticated users.

NoAnonymous yes

i think with this i had set no naonymous login (that what i got after 
reading the manual)

but this is appear:

220-You are user number 1 of 50 allowed.
220-Local time is now 01:53. Server port: 21.
220-*Only anonymous FTP is allowed here* (why this could happen? what is 
wrong?)

220-IPv6 connections are also welcome on this server.
220 You will be disconnected after 15 minutes of inactivity.
Name (localhost:):newftp
421 Unable to set up secure anonymous FTP
ftp: Login failed.

i had made the newftp user with password, but it still can.t login.
anyone can help me? Thanks before

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Re: Unable to boot FreeBSD 8.0

2010-03-24 Thread Christopher Key
Christopher Key wrote:
> Christopher Key wrote:
>   
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm using FreeBSD 7.2, and am attempting to update to 8.0.
>>
>>
>> I've been through the standard,
>>
>> make buildworld
>> make buildkernel
>> make installkernel
>>
>> but cannot get the newly installed kernel to boot.  The system freezes
>> as soon as the loader tries to boot the kernel.  It doesn't even get as
>> far as the copyright message:
>>
>> Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help.
>> OK boot -Dd
>> \
>>
>>   
>> 
> Problem solved.  Hopefully the answer might be of use to others, as it
> doesn't seem too uncommon a situation.
>
>   
Had I read /usr/src/UPDATING more carefully however, I might have spotted,

20080713:
The sio(4) driver has been removed from the i386 and amd64
kernel configuration files. This means uart(4) is now the
default serial port driver on those platforms as well.

To prevent collisions with the sio(4) driver, the uart(4) driver
uses different names for its device nodes. This means the
onboard serial port will now most likely be called "ttyu0"
instead of "ttyd0". You may need to reconfigure applications to
use the new device names.

When using the serial port as a boot console, be sure to update
/boot/device.hints and /etc/ttys before booting the new kernel.
If you forget to do so, you can still manually specify the hints
at the loader prompt:

set hint.uart.0.at="isa"
set hint.uart.0.port="0x3F8"
set hint.uart.0.flags="0x10"
set hint.uart.0.irq="4"
boot -s



which is probably why noone else has suffered from this problem.


Christopher Key
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Re: tuning vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending and solving the issue of ZFS writes choking read IO

2010-03-24 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Mar 24), Bob Friesenhahn said:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Dan Naumov wrote:
> > Has anyone done any extensive testing of the effects of tuning
> > vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending on this issue?  Is there some universally
> > recommended value beyond the default 35?  Anything else I should be
> > looking at?
> 
> The vdev.max_pending value is primarily used to tune for SAN/HW-RAID LUNs
> and is used to dial down LUN service time (svc_t) values by limiting the
> number of pending requests.  It is not terribly useful for decreasing
> stalls due to zfs writes.  In order to reduce the impact of zfs writes,
> you want to limit the maximum size of a zfs transaction group (TXG).  I
> don't know what the FreeBSD tunable is for this, but under Solaris it is
> zfs:zfs_write_limit_override.

There isn't a sysctl for it by default, but the following patch will enable
a vfs.zfs.write_limit_override sysctl:

Index: dsl_pool.c
===
RCS file: 
/home/ncvs/src/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs/dsl_pool.c,v
retrieving revision 1.4.2.1
diff -u -p -r1.4.2.1 dsl_pool.c
--- dsl_pool.c  17 Aug 2009 09:55:58 -  1.4.2.1
+++ dsl_pool.c  11 Mar 2010 08:34:27 -
@@ -47,6 +47,11 @@ uint64_t zfs_write_limit_inflated = 0;
 uint64_t zfs_write_limit_override = 0;
 extern uint64_t zfs_write_limit_min;
 
+SYSCTL_DECL(_vfs_zfs);
+SYSCTL_QUAD(_vfs_zfs, OID_AUTO, write_limit_override, CTLFLAG_RW,
+   &zfs_write_limit_override, 0,
+   "Force a txg if dirty buffers exceed this value (bytes)");
+
 kmutex_t zfs_write_limit_lock;
 
 static pgcnt_t old_physmem = 0;

 
> On a large-memory system, a properly working zfs should not saturate 
> the write channel for more than 5 seconds.  Zfs tries to learn the 
> write bandwidth so that it can tune the TXG size up to 5 seconds (max) 
> worth of writes.  If you have both large memory and fast storage, 
> quite a huge amount of data can be written in 5 seconds.  On my 
> Solaris system, I found that zfs was quite accurate with its rate 
> estimation, but it resulted in four gigabytes of data being written 
> per TXG.

I had similar problems on a 32GB Solaris server at work.  Note that with
compression enabled, the entire system pauses while it compresses the
outgoing block of data.  It's just a fraction of a second, but long enough
for end-users to complain about bad performance in X sessions.  I had to
throttle back to a 256MB write limit size to make the stuttering go away
completely.  It didn't affect write throughput much at all.

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Re: Unable to boot FreeBSD 8.0

2010-03-24 Thread Christopher Key
Christopher Key wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm using FreeBSD 7.2, and am attempting to update to 8.0.
>
>
> I've been through the standard,
>
> make buildworld
> make buildkernel
> make installkernel
>
> but cannot get the newly installed kernel to boot.  The system freezes
> as soon as the loader tries to boot the kernel.  It doesn't even get as
> far as the copyright message:
>
> Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help.
> OK boot -Dd
> \
>
>   
Problem solved.  Hopefully the answer might be of use to others, as it
doesn't seem too uncommon a situation.

I'm using a serial console.  By default, FreeBSD 7 had both uart and sio
compiled into the kernel, but device.hints gave configuration info for
sio only.  FreeBSD 8 removed sio support completely, leaving uart only. 
As device.hints contains nothing about uart, there was no serial device
available for the console.  The system was infact starting to boot quite
happily, albeit without any console output, but wasn't completeing due
to geom_mirror not having been loaded.  The solution was simply to
change hint.sio.[01].* to hint.uart.[01].* in device.hints, and to
change ttyd0 to ttyu0 in /etc/ttys.

Christopher Key

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Re: tuning vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending and solving the issue of ZFS writes choking read IO

2010-03-24 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Dan Naumov wrote:

Has anyone done any extensive testing of the effects of tuning
vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending on this issue? Is there some universally
recommended value beyond the default 35? Anything else I should be
looking at?


The vdev.max_pending value is primarily used to tune for SAN/HW-RAID 
LUNs and is used to dial down LUN service time (svc_t) values by 
limiting the number of pending requests.  It is not terribly useful 
for decreasing stalls due to zfs writes.  In order to reduce the 
impact of zfs writes, you want to limit the maximum size of a zfs 
transaction group (TXG).  I don't know what the FreeBSD tunable is for 
this, but under Solaris it is zfs:zfs_write_limit_override.


On a large-memory system, a properly working zfs should not saturate 
the write channel for more than 5 seconds.  Zfs tries to learn the 
write bandwidth so that it can tune the TXG size up to 5 seconds (max) 
worth of writes.  If you have both large memory and fast storage, 
quite a huge amount of data can be written in 5 seconds.  On my 
Solaris system, I found that zfs was quite accurate with its rate 
estimation, but it resulted in four gigabytes of data being written 
per TXG.


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Re: Upgrading from 6.1 to 7.3

2010-03-24 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:53:43AM +0200, Sigmar Muuga wrote:

> Hello,
> have anybody done something like this? Is it reasonable or is it better 
> to make a "clean install"?

It is always good to make a 'clean install' but upgrading from some 6x
to 7.3 should be reasonably doable.   (Note, you failed to put all of
your information in the body of the message.   It is not helpful to
put relevant information only in the subject line)

jerry


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tuning vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending and solving the issue of ZFS writes choking read IO

2010-03-24 Thread Dan Naumov
Hello

I am having a slight issue (and judging by Google results, similar
issues have been seen by other FreeBSD and Solaris/OpenSolaris users)
with writes choking the read IO. The issue I am having is described
pretty well here:
http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=106453 It seems that
under heavy write load, ZFS likes to aggregate a really huge amount of
data before actually writing it to disks, resulting in sudden 10+
second stalls where it frantically tries to commit everything,
completely choking read IO in the process and sometimes even the
network (with a large enough write to a mirror pool using DD, I can
cause my SSH sessions to drop dead, without actually running out of
RAM. As soon as the data is committed, I can reconnect back).

Beyond the issue of system interactivity (or rather, the
near-disappearance thereof) during these enormous flushes, this kind
of pattern seems really ineffective from the CPU utilization point of
view. Instead of a relatively stable and consistent flow of reads and
writes, allowing the CPU to be utilized as much as possible, when the
system is committing the data the CPU basically stays IDLE for 10+
seconds (or as long as the flush takes) and the process of committing
unwritten data to the pool seemingly completely trounces the priority
of any read operations.

Has anyone done any extensive testing of the effects of tuning
vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending on this issue? Is there some universally
recommended value beyond the default 35? Anything else I should be
looking at?


- Sincerely,
Dan Naumov
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Re: FreeBSD NFS client goes into infinite retry loop

2010-03-24 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 7:03:06 pm Rick Macklem wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, John Baldwin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Ah, I had read that patch as being a temporary testing hack.  If you think
> > that would be a good approach in general that would be ok with me.
> >
> Well, it kinda was. I wasn't betting on it fixing the problem, but since
> it does...
> 
> I think just mapping VFS_FHTOVP() errors to ESTALE is ok. Do you think
> I should ask pjd@ about it or just go ahead with a commit?

Go ahead and fix it I think.

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Re: Firefox 3.6.X and Thunderbird 3.0.X crashing with Radeon graphics on FBSD 8.0-STABLE SMP/sm64 box

2010-03-24 Thread Gary Jennejohn
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:32:40 +
"O. Hartmann"  wrote:

> Since the introduction of Thunderbird 3.0 and Firefox 3.6 I see 
> spontanous crashes/coredumps of both thunderbird and firefox. Interingly 
> Firefox 3.5.X works well on he same platform.
> 
> The platform is a FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE/amd64 (r205536: Tue Mar 23 22:19:04 
> CET 2010), SMP box with 8GB of RAM, QuadCore Intel Q6600 on a P35-based 
> motherboard.
> 
> Thunderbird 3 crashes rarely compared to Firefox 3. The longer the 
> application thunderbird runs, the higher the likelyhood the app crashes 
> and vanishes. Sometimes this happens immediately after starting 
> thunderbird, sometimes it takes its few minutes or half an hour.
> 
> Firefox 3 is sensitive to its pull-down menus or requester showing up in 
> some situations. I can provoke a crash by clicking onto a pull-down-menu 
> in firefox 3, it immediately dumps a core.
> 

If you suspect the graphics card's driver is at fault then I would try
linux-opera or even linux-firefox and see whether it also dies when you
use a drop-down menu.

Another possibility would be to set hw.physmem to say 3G or 4G in
loader.conf and see whether that affects thunderbird/firefox.  Who
knows, there may some weird problem caused by all that memory?  That
would a fairly quick and cheap way to test this.

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Firefox 3.6.X and Thunderbird 3.0.X crashing with Radeon graphics on FBSD 8.0-STABLE SMP/sm64 box

2010-03-24 Thread O. Hartmann
Since the introduction of Thunderbird 3.0 and Firefox 3.6 I see 
spontanous crashes/coredumps of both thunderbird and firefox. Interingly 
Firefox 3.5.X works well on he same platform.


The platform is a FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE/amd64 (r205536: Tue Mar 23 22:19:04 
CET 2010), SMP box with 8GB of RAM, QuadCore Intel Q6600 on a P35-based 
motherboard.


Thunderbird 3 crashes rarely compared to Firefox 3. The longer the 
application thunderbird runs, the higher the likelyhood the app crashes 
and vanishes. Sometimes this happens immediately after starting 
thunderbird, sometimes it takes its few minutes or half an hour.


Firefox 3 is sensitive to its pull-down menus or requester showing up in 
some situations. I can provoke a crash by clicking onto a pull-down-menu 
in firefox 3, it immediately dumps a core.


Well, I wouldn't write s cross-posting if I would be sure this behaviour 
is due to some oddities in my installation, but since this odd behaviour 
occured both on Firefox 3.6 and Thunderbird 3 in several situations and 
with several tries to get a workaround, I feel desperately lost.


What I did so far:

- Recompiling EVERY port on my box (four times in a row to make sure 
everything is right, its a pain with nearly 950 ports).
- Deinstalling both Firefox 3 and Thunderbird 3 and installing the 
binary packages from FreeBSD.ORG



I have a private UP box, running the same OS FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE/amd64 on 
a single core Athlon 3500+ with only 2GB of RAM. There I use both 
Thunderbird 3.0.3 and Firefox 3.6.2 without any problem.


I suspect the X11 server or some part of the accelerator stuff 
triggering the crashes. On the both machines,


WITHOUT_NOUVEAU = YES

is defined. On the UP box at home, I utilise a HD4830 graphics 
accelerator with DR enabled. The lab's box have had
both HD4670 and now HD4770 accelerators, both do not work properly with 
the state-of-the-art drivers supported by the official pots collection. 
HD4670 never got to work since the new RadeonHD driver 1.3 was 
introduced (prior to that it worked), the new HD4770 works with 
explicitely disabling DRI and crashes whenever I leave a session (quit 
windowmaker). Well, this is another story, but I suspect the Radeon 
driver infrastructure causing the problems - but I'm not sure.


I use perl-threaded 5.10, but I guess this is not a problem since the 
problems occur whether I have threaded perl or not.


As I said, I feel like a dead man in the water ...

Regards,
Oliver
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Re: sendmail && UTF-8

2010-03-24 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:29:27 +0100, Matthias Apitz  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want to sendout mail the following way:
>
>   sendmail -t < filename
>
> where the file 'filename' contains some header lines, especially To:
>  Subject: and From:  and as well the body of the mail; all is in UTF-8
> and I know I have to encode the header lines and says something about
> the body. With Perl it goes like this:
>
>  #!/usr/bin/perl
>
>  use utf8;
>  use Encode;

Since you are using perl, it may be more useful to start from something
like mail/p5-MIME-Lite instead of rolling your own.

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Re: delete directory

2010-03-24 Thread Nathan Vidican
Check the chflags; 'man chflags'

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Aiza  wrote:

> This directory named empty has read/exec permissions.
> How do I delete it?
>
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >ls -l
> total 2
> dr-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov 21 22:53 empty
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >cd empty
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var/empty >ls -l
> total 0
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var/empty >cd ..
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >rmdir empty
> rmdir: empty: Operation not permitted
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >rm -rf empty
> rm: empty: Operation not permitted
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >chmod 777 empty
> chmod: empty: Operation not permitted
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Re: delete directory

2010-03-24 Thread Daniel Bye
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 08:29:41AM +0800, Aiza wrote:
> This directory named empty has read/exec permissions.
> How do I delete it?
> 
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >ls -l
> total 2
> dr-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov 21 22:53 empty
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >cd empty
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var/empty >ls -l
> total 0
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var/empty >cd ..
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >rmdir empty
> rmdir: empty: Operation not permitted
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >rm -rf empty
> rm: empty: Operation not permitted
> # /usr/jails/newjail/var >chmod 777 empty
> chmod: empty: Operation not permitted

I'd suggest you don't remove it - from sshd(8):

 /var/empty
 chroot(2) directory used by sshd during privilege separation in
 the pre-authentication phase.  The directory should not contain
 any files and must be owned by root and not group or world-
 writable.


If you intend to run sshd in your jail, you'd be better off leaving it.

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Re: simple zfs query

2010-03-24 Thread Matthew Seaman
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On 24/03/2010 10:31:51, John wrote:
> With ZFS and 3x 2Tb SATA disks, what percentage of theoretical diskspace
> would I realise? I'm hoping at least 5Tb would be usable?

That depends on how you configure your zpool.  The choices are:

 disk -- just uses the disk directly as a vdev.  Means you can use 100%
 of the space, but you have absolutely no resilience

 mirror -- for which you'ld need an even number of disks and you get 50%
   of the raw as usable space.  Can survive at least one disk
   failure, and possibly up to as many as half of the disks
   failing.

 raidz -- single parity (equivalent to RAID5).  For N disks, 1 disk
  worth is used for parity data, leaving N - 1 disks' worth as
  the actual capacity. So you'ld get 66% of raw in your case.
  Can survive failure of any one disk.

 raidz2 -- double parity (equivalent to RAID6). For N disks, 2 disks
   worth are used for parity data, leaving N - 2 disks worth as
   actual capacity. Or 33% of raw in your case.  Can survive
   failure of any two disks.

Note that 3 drives is the minimum for either of the raidz types, and
won't give you the best performance.  See zpool(1M) for details.

Cheers,

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Re: Free BSD Licensing

2010-03-24 Thread Richard Tobin
> As the FreeBSD license is less restrictive than the GPL, it's pretty
> much safe to say that wherever you are permitted install GPL'd software,
> you could substitute FreeBSD licensed software without legal penalty.
> (Note: *install* -- redistribution is a different matter)

You do not have to agree to the GPL to use GPL'd software: it
explicitly says that it only covers "copying, distribution and
modification" and not "running the program".

The FreeBSD licence on the other hand only allows you to use the
software if you agree to the conditions - which only affect
redistribution, so if you do not redistribute it, the licence
terms do not affect you.

I suppose a theoretical difference is that if you redistribute FreeBSD
in violation of the conditions you no longer have the right to use it,
which is not true for the GPL.

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simple zfs query

2010-03-24 Thread John
Hello list,

With ZFS and 3x 2Tb SATA disks, what percentage of theoretical diskspace
would I realise? I'm hoping at least 5Tb would be usable?

thanks
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Re: OpenOffice 3.2 fails to build on FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE/amd64

2010-03-24 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:09:36 +
O. Hartmann  articulated:

> Just for the record: deleting OO 3.1.1 via pkg_delete and trying to 
> install new OO 3.2 fails at the same point as before.

OO creates files in the $HOME and other directories that are not
automatically removed by "pkg_delete". Use "pkg_delete" with the "-dfv"
option to delete as much as possible. Then move or delete the other OO
files/directories. You will probably have to search for them.

Finally, update your ports tree and try reinstalling OO again. If you
have "portmanager" installed, you could try this:

portmanager editors/openoffice.org-3.2.0 -l -y -p

Good Luck!


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Re: Upgrading from 6.1 to 7.3

2010-03-24 Thread Mikolaj Rydzewski

Sigmar Muuga wrote:
have anybody done something like this? Is it reasonable or is it 
better to make a "clean install"?
I've performed successfull upgrade from 6.x to 7.x a few days ago, 
there's no need for any special hacks.


Just cvsup to latest 6.4-REL, build from sources, just like 
/usr/src/UPDATING says. Then cvsup to latest 7.2-REL and again build 
from sources.


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Re: OpenOffice 3.2 fails to build on FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE/amd64

2010-03-24 Thread O. Hartmann

On 03/23/10 17:31, Sean McAfee wrote:

O. Hartmann wrote:
As I mentioned, I did not and I can't risk deinstalling the working 
OO first and then installing and probably a failing OO 3.2.


Regards,

O. Hartmann



You can use `pkg_create -b name_of_port-with_version` to create a 
binary backup.  If you can't get 3.2 installed, you just run pkg_add 
on the resulting tbz and you're back in business.


I do this whenever I upgrade OO, Firefox, Thunderbird, or anything 
other program I can't wait around for while I freshly compile.




Just for the record: deleting OO 3.1.1 via pkg_delete and trying to 
install new OO 3.2 fails at the same point as before.


Oliver
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Re: delete directory

2010-03-24 Thread krad
On 24 March 2010 00:42, Michael Powell  wrote:

> Aiza wrote:
>
> > This directory named empty has read/exec permissions.
> > How do I delete it?
> >
> > # /usr/jails/newjail/var >ls -l
> > total 2
> > dr-xr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov 21 22:53 empty
> > # /usr/jails/newjail/var >cd empty
> > # /usr/jails/newjail/var/empty >ls -l
> > total 0
> > # /usr/jails/newjail/var/empty >cd ..
> > # /usr/jails/newjail/var >rmdir empty
> > rmdir: empty: Operation not permitted
> > # /usr/jails/newjail/var >rm -rf empty
> > rm: empty: Operation not permitted
> > # /usr/jails/newjail/var >chmod 777 empty
> > chmod: empty: Operation not permitted
>
> Usually when I see this I think flags are set. See man chflags.
>
> Used to be it was something like chflags -R noschg , then you could
> do
> the usual rm -rf  once the immutable flag was unset. Don't know if
> has
> changed.
>
> -Mike
>
>
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sounds about right
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Re: Upgrading from 6.1 to 7.3

2010-03-24 Thread Adam PAPAI
On 3/24/10 10:53 AM, Sigmar Muuga wrote:
> Hello,
> have anybody done something like this? Is it reasonable or is it better
> to make a "clean install"?

You should read this:

http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/upgrade/freebsd-upgrade-6x-7x.txt

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Upgrading from 6.1 to 7.3

2010-03-24 Thread Sigmar Muuga

Hello,
have anybody done something like this? Is it reasonable or is it better 
to make a "clean install"?


Sigmar
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Re: freebsd-update(8) under sparc64? Why is it not available?

2010-03-24 Thread Adam PAPAI

Mark Linimon wrote:

You're the first one to ask in a while.  Since our userbase is small,
and developer time is limited, we've never set it up.

Right now I'd just be happy if I can get all the major ports to work :-)

mcl


If I can do something for this project, please tell me what to do :)

I have 2xNetra T1, 1xNetra X1, 1xFire V100, so I have some sparc64 
machines to test/build if this could help.


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Re: freebsd-update(8) under sparc64? Why is it not available?

2010-03-24 Thread Mark Linimon
You're the first one to ask in a while.  Since our userbase is small,
and developer time is limited, we've never set it up.

Right now I'd just be happy if I can get all the major ports to work :-)

mcl
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freebsd-update(8) under sparc64? Why is it not available?

2010-03-24 Thread Adam PAPAI

I feel that the FreeBSD project doesn't have enough sparc64 build machine.

Is this the reason why binary freebsd-update is not available for 
sparc64 arch?


The only methods for upgrading sparc64 are reinstall or build from source?


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