notes on kde4.4 and pcbsd...
my 17 pennies' worth {allowing for inflation},
i just thought i would tell anybody who is thinking of trying
pcbsd to be careful of jumping. it is a bare min of two days for
me to install a new OS and get it even slightly close to
customized. awhile earlier i tried to get the kde4 version of
festival/kttsd. it strikes me as worse--maybe a resource
hog--than on this 7.3 system.
i finally gave up and powered down. time to reinstall ubuntu or
try freebsd on the thinkpad. kde4 has some new type of audio
that i think sux.
back to my copy edit with ears and eyes. and OOo :-)
cheers, people,
gary
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Re: [kde-freebsd] Stop in /usr/ports/devel/qt4-assistant
On Thu, 13 May 2010 03:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Dino Vliet wrote: Hi people, I get this error when trying to install kde4 on my amd64 system. I had everything removed first (I didn't like the way I have installed it in the past) with pkg_delete -fxvir kde and qt. The error I get is: Script started on Thu May 13 12:41:26 2010 cd /usr/ports/x11/kde4 weka# make install distclean I would not recommend to use make install for kde4 or any other dependency- heavy port. Take a look on ports-mgmt/portmaster (or portupgrade). === kdelibs-4.4.3 depends on executable: bison - found === kdelibs-4.4.3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/assistant-qt4 - not found ===Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/assistant-qt4 in /usr/ports/devel/qt4-assistant === Building for qt4-assistant-4.6.2 g++ -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/ports/devel/qt4-assistant/work/qt-everywhere-opensour ce-src-4.6.2/lib -Wl,-O1 -pthread -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib/qt4 -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib/qt4 -o ../../../../bin/assistant-qt4 .obj/release-shared/fontpanel.o .obj/release-shared/helpviewer.o .obj/release-shared/main.o .obj/release-shared/mainwindow.o .obj/release-shared/indexwindow.o .obj/release-shared/topicchooser.o .obj/release-shared/contentwindow.o .obj/release-shared/searchwidget.o .obj/release-shared/preferencesdialog.o Clean up ports work directories before installing/upgrading ports. Max ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSDStats: Project Status on May 13th, 2010
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote: Status: Over the past two weeks, there has been alot of work performed on the backend, including fixing a few bugs that were recently reported. As a result of using HAProxy to load balance and help ensure uptime for reporting clients, someone recently reported that although their sent in their report, their country wasn't going up in the 'Countries' states. This bug has been fixed (HAProxy was reporting Proxy IP vs Client IP) and we reset the stats period to 1st of May, causing a sharp drop in #s that has slowly been climbing back up again. The result of the change is that now Panama isn't the largest distribution of PC-BSD anymore, but the USofA is back in that lead, with Russia quickly following. Stats Summary: As of May 13th, 2010 (based on reporting ~2 weeks of reporting period since fix) , the project has 3 733 hosts that have reported in, broken down as follows: PC-BSD 2 357 hosts FreeBSD 1 243 hosts DesktopBSD 78 hosts NetBSD 34 hosts OpenBSD 12 hosts DragonFly 9 hosts MirBSD 0 hosts MidnightBSD 0 hosts GNU/kFreeBSD 0 hosts We currently have hosts being reported in from 88 countries, with the top 10 being: United States 752 Panama 332 Russian Federation 332 Australia 271 Germany 204 Ukraine 173 Japan 121 Canada 101 Brazil 89 United Kingdom 89 Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org Project Objective: The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems. PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled, while the rest have to be enabled manually. For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set things up. There is now a man page / document that has been created, that contains a full description of the project, as well as the steps we take to ensure the anonymity of those reporting while maintaining the individuality of the reporting machines. This can be found at: http://www.bsdstats.org/bsdstats-8.html Project Uptime: In the beginning, there were issues with accessibility of the servers, due to only having one reporting server. We have since moved to a distributed cluster using HAProxy to load balance between two physical servers, with a third one coming online soon. http://www.bsdstats.org isn't running on this new cluster yet, but work is underway to get that moved over as well, which we hope to have accomplished over the next couple of days. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... But I'm sending my stats. in Chilean country mark only one system, those system are there previously to I send my stats Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Jorge Andrés Medina Oliva. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: user friendliest gui
You only need one of the last two things. You have to decide: a) Want X? Use Tcl/Tk. Install both tcl and tk ports. Examples in /usr/local/lib/tkversion/demos. b) Work in text mode? Use dialog. Comes with base system. Examples in /usr/share/examples/dialog. c) Work in text more, but make it more complicated? Use ncurses and curses development kit. Install cdk from ports. Examples in /usr/local/share/examples/cdk. Depending on your decision, the path follows. :-) Oh, CDK is not that bad or complicated, but I think you should go with dialog first. If you've got enough experience in implementing shell wrappers / extenders with dialog, it should be an easy task to do the same with Tcl/Tk. Keep in mind that using X limits the usability of your project (which is a very useful one per se). No experience at all implementing shell wrappers, I tried installing tcltutor and that's bombing out allover the place. this is getting too complex, I think I'll load just a desktop gui , and put a clamav icon on the desktop and just have them right click and scan drive ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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snip No experience at all implementing shell wrappers, I tried installing tcltutor and that's bombing out allover the place. this is getting too complex, I think I'll load just a desktop gui , and put a clamav icon on the desktop and just have them right click and scan drive Then perhaps consider PCBSD. Probably easier to get a GUI desktop type thing up and running. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FWIW, a datapoint.
On Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:47 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
well, still same on my laptop after days of trying to fix the
thinkpad keyboard that made the box all but unusable. xev
thinks the caps lock is a left control key. i have given
up for now. {yes, having flash is a feature and/or a
surprise, but not quite doing w/out the capslock!}
Within the last few days, there was a message on this list
about how to use xmodmap to change this. People often use
xmodmap to turn Caps Lock into left Ctrl, but it can be
done in reverse, too. See the near-time archives for an
occurance of xmodmap, this may help you, and maybe work
both on PC-BSD as well as on regular FreeBSD (allthough
it might be that KDE does many things on its own and doesn't
care for low level settings such as xmodmap). At this
point, it may be useful to point out that KDE might have
its very own keyboard setup controls - check them to find
out if you can re-assign the keys within KDE.
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Re: user friendliest gui
On Fri, 14 May 2010 13:13:35 +, Jean-Paul Natola jnat...@familycareintl.org wrote: No experience at all implementing shell wrappers, It's like writing a batch script under DOS. I tried installing tcltutor and that's bombing out allover the place. So implementing a Tcl/Tk based GUI for this task isn't your goal at the moment. So why not go with dialog? All parts you need are in /usr/share/examples/dialog. Such a solution would be fast and portable (because it doesn't rely on X). this is getting too complex, I think I'll load just a desktop gui , and put a clamav icon on the desktop and just have them right click and scan drive A full-featured desktop - so you're talking about KDE or Gnome. Or maybe Xfce. Why not use a lightweight window manager like IceWM, change its menu file to just contain the clamav program call? So nothing can be messed up by users who think a computer that does not run an old-fashioned Windows is... broken? :-) If you just want to allow your users to start ONE program, I may point you to a program I recently found: wbar. Easy to configure (maybe through wbarconf, but I edit the plain file), and you can run this instead of a window manager, or you use a window manager without any menu functionality (IceWM with all items deleted from the menu list comes into mind). Just some ideas. Of course, using KDE or Gnome gives you some advantage, such as automounting the USB stick. Luckily, you're on UNIX, so viruses, malware, spyware and all the other crap usually found on users' USB sticks won't harm the system. In *my* opinion, this might be TOO MUCH overhead for such a simple task, and I would really consider learning shell scripting with dialog, and if I got this right and still wanted GUI, I would learn Tcl/Tk. As I said, there are nice examples coming with the default installa- tion for you to check out how easily it works. In any case, *try* this setting before putting it into production. Maybe even do stupid things, like pulling the USB stick during scan, pulling the power cord, surf the web and download some arbitrary software, and of course see what happens when there's a virus or malware on the USB stick. You can get viruses and malware for free from the Internet. :-) If *you* can't make the scanner station unusable, your users hopefully can't, too. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
1 Gbit ipsec performance
Hi, Is anyone here in this list able to find a card that have gained 1 Gbit encryption (or at least 800 mbits/s) that works for FreeBSD 8.0 or FreeBSD 8.0-Stable? It seems that Hifn support is not good at all (new chipsets are not supported). Or maybe I am wrong so it is best to ask to this list. If you use Hifn can I have your comments ? Regards. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
cpuset at boot time or separating processes by CPU
Hi list, I'm with a need to run the cpuset for certain processes, for example: run VirtualBox on CPU 1; run firefox on CPU 0; and the other processes are balanced between the CPU 0 and 1. I can do this separation, but only with the root, but I need to do as a regular user. is it possible? Regards, Sylvio Cesar ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: If you died tomorrow, what would you like your loved ones to know?
--On Friday, May 14, 2010 10:02:11 +0200 MentoMori-Global i...@mentomoriglobal.com wrote: MentoMori If you died tomorrow, what would you like your loved ones to know? I would want them to know that they are on their own now. I'm pretty sure they will have already figured that out. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
UFS Journaling
Hi, I'm trying out gjournal before I implement if on one server. I require more than 8 partitions, but since I cannot do this, have 9 partitions on one slice, I have created two slices on the disk, da0s1 (100GB) and da0s2 (40GB). On the first slice, I have my usual partitions. On the second slice, I have two partitions, each 20GB (da0s2d and da0s2e) that will be used as the journal providers. I need to journaled two partitions /usr (da0s1f) and /resource (da0s1g). I have done the following to get my data providers and journal providers -- boot into single usermode -- unmount /usr and /resource -- gjournal load -- gjournal label -f da0s1f da0s2d -- gjournal label -f da0s1g da0s2e -- tunefs -J enable -n disable da0s1f.journal -- tunefs -J enable -n disable da0s1g.journal -- mount /dev/da0s1f.journal /usr and mount /dev/da0s1g.journal /resource. Each mount with -o async -- edited fstab to mount the data providers -- edited loader.conf and added geom_journal_load=YES If I enter ctrl+d, I continue to multi usermode with no problem. However, I needed to reboot and I get the messages below when it tries to mount the partitions: Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL GJOURNAL Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL GJOURNAL GEOM_JOURNAL: Timeout. Journal gjournal 3033687591 cannot be completed GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3033687591 : da0s1f contains data. Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL GJOURNAL Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL GJOURNAL GEOM_JOURNAL: Timeout. Journal gjournal 107992178 cannot be completed GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 107992178 : da0s1g contains data. Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL GJOURNAL Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL GJOURNAL GEOM_JOURNAL: Timeout. Journal gjournal 3033687591 cannot be completed GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3033687591 : ufsid/4bed9437003f40f4 contains data. Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL GJOURNAL Root mount waiting for: GJOURNAL GJOURNAL GEOM_JOURNAL: Timeout. Journal gjournal 3033687591 cannot be completed GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3033687591 : ufsid/4bed9437dfb979f4 contains data. This goes on and on... I cannot go beyond this point. Did I miss something? PS: I started off with a journal provider partition of 5GB and increased all the way to 20GB. This was after I googled and read that this error will occur if the journal provider size is small. I have attempted this with the journal provider partions on the first slice, da0s1 and also on the second sloce da0s2. All get me the above error. PPS: I am doing this on FreeBSD 8.0 RELEASE -- Mike Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in a million chances happen 99% of the time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Small computer to run a GUI?
Thanks for your tips and suggestions all. I ended up going with a mini itx atom solution with a SSD drive to keep the heat down some more. I'll let you know how it goes since i'll be putting FreeBSD on it. It's going to be a web browser mostly so we'll see how it goes. Thanks again. Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Small computer to run a GUI?
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your tips and suggestions all. I ended up going with a mini itx atom solution with a SSD drive to keep the heat down some more. I'll let you know how it goes since i'll be putting FreeBSD on it. It's going to be a web browser mostly so we'll see how it goes. Thanks again. Mark For the SSD drives , to read the following page , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive and other related pages may be useful , for selection of a hard disk drive . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
kuickshow-kde4
FreeBSD 8.0, KDE 4.4.3 and Kuickshow-KDE4 0.9.1.4.4.0 which doesn't show pictures. It opend but everything is gray. It start after updtae Xorg 7.5. I use ati video drivers. Thanks. Mitja http://starikarp.redbubble.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: If you died tomorrow, what would you like your loved ones to know?
On Fri, 14 May 2010 09:47:02 -0500 Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com articulated: --On Friday, May 14, 2010 10:02:11 +0200 MentoMori-Global i...@mentomoriglobal.com wrote: MentoMori If you died tomorrow, what would you like your loved ones to know? I would want them to know that they are on their own now. I'm pretty sure they will have already figured that out. .:\:/:. +---+ .:\:\:/:/:. | PLEASE DO NOT |:.:\:\:/:/:.: | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=: | | '=(\ 9 9 /)=' | Thank you, | ( (_) ) | Management | /`-vvv-'\ +---+ / \ | |@@@ / /|,|\ \ | |@@@ /_// /^\ \\_\ @x@@x@| | |/ WW( ( ) )WW \/| |\| __\,,\ /,,/__ \||/ | | | (__Y__) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ -- Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ The Ancient Doctrine of Mind Over Matter: I don't mind... and you don't matter. As revealed to reporter G. Rivera by Swami Havabanana ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB1.1 WIFI adapted recommendation
mikel king wrote: I am refurbishing a laptop that only has USB1.1 and now built-in WIFI. Anyone with experience in these devices able to make a recommendation for a reliable device? I have an old Belkin F5D7050 USB wifi adapter - you can still buy them. May 14 20:45:17 muji2 kernel: ugen4.4: Belkin at usbus4 May 14 20:45:17 muji2 kernel: ural0: Belkin Belkin 54g USB Network Adapter, class 0/0, rev 2.00/0.01, addr 4 on usbus4 May 14 20:45:17 muji2 kernel: ural0: MAC/BBP RT2570 (rev 0x03), RF RT2526 Seems to work ok in a USB 1.1 port, never done benchmarks but it seems reliable enough for internet. Chris Cheers, m! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
xfce display
Hi all, I installed Xorg and xfce when I start it (/usr/local/bin/startxfce) my screen just shows vertical lines of many different colors on the screen, The monitor (fairly old gateway 15 lcd) works fine in regular text mode, on windows os's as well. I do see this in the log (II) Module intel: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.6.5, module version = 2.7.1 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) LoadModule: i810 (WW) Warning, couldn't open module i810 (II) UnloadModule: i810 (EE) Failed to load module i810 (module does not exist, 0) (II) LoadModule: vesa (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so (II) Module vesa: vendor=X.Org Foundation Is the i810 chipset not supported? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ipfw natd rules not loading on startup
I performed a kernel+world update of my freebsd router, RELENG_8 branch, apparently from the version 6 months ago to current. I use ipfw and a shell script that gets loaded at startup. I noticed after rebooting that ipfw did not load two rules, both of type divert natd. However, if I run the script manually, or call it from the end of /etc/rc, it will add these rules as well. Currently I am using a workaround. I could not find any mention of warnings or errors in the logs. I couldn't find any way of making ipfw log errors. I tried piping my script's output to a file, but it did not say anything useful. Noone I asked knew what to do. I noticed that there has been a revamp of ipfw and its supporting scripts recently, so it's possible something broke along the way (for example, a missing rc dependency on natd?). Advice would be appreciated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ipfw natd rules not loading on startup
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 02:33:10AM +0200, umage wrote: I performed a kernel+world update of my freebsd router, RELENG_8 branch, apparently from the version 6 months ago to current. I use ipfw and a shell script that gets loaded at startup. I noticed after rebooting that ipfw did not load two rules, both of type divert natd. However, if I run the script manually, or call it from the end of /etc/rc, it will add these rules as well. Currently I am using a workaround. Best to ask -STABLE. There's been some breakage of ipfw since end of April. I'm unsure as to whether they've all be resolved yet. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen | To do is to be -- Nietzsche j...@chen.org.nz | To be is to do -- Sartre | Scooby do be do -- Scooby ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Very simple file sharing between FreeBSD server and
I've watched this thread for several days now and to put in my 2 cents: 1. Samba is not that complicated. I've been using it for years and can have it up and configured in a matter of minutes. 2. Samba quickly allows you to see your FreeBSD servers from your windows clients just like it was a Windows Server. A simple smb.conf file is all you need. 3. You can get a lot more complex setup with Samba with security, R/W options etc... but for what you're descibing I'd recommend Samba or use a graphical FTP client on your Windows clients to access your FreeBSD server. Command line FTP is an option but it's a lot more complicated than just setting up Samba. Good luck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
devel/autoconf262 (autoconf-2.62)
When doing porutgprades, every time the report contains an ignore for autoconf262 --- Listing the results (+:done / -:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) - devel/autoconf262 (autoconf-2.62) (other portupgrades are upgraded normally) pkg_info | grep autoconf shows I have: autoconf-2.62 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms and according to www.freebsd.org/ports 2.62 is the latest version # pkgdb -F does not help Why then this 'ignored' message? How to make things OK? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
