Re: ZFS Question

2010-08-16 Thread Elias Chrysocheris
On 8/15/2010 6:17 PM, Elias Chrysocheris wrote:
 On Monday 16 of August 2010 01:56:10 Depo Catcher wrote:

 Hi, I'm building a new file server.  Right now I'm on FreeBSD 6.4/UFS2
 and going to go to 8.1 with ZFS.

 Right now I have 3 disks, but one of them has data on it.  I'd like to
 setup a RaidZ but have a question on how to do this:
 Basically, I need to setup a mirror with the two empty drives, copy the
 data over and then add the third.  Is that even possible?
  
 Do you want to add the third drive as another mirror of the other two or 
you
 just want to add it, lets say, for another storage part of your system?

 Regards,
 Elias


Yes, add it for storage (ie. Raid 5).

Well, I don't know if you can add a hard drive and make it a stripe (RAID 5) 
with others that already have data...

Perhaps you could install the system in a free hard drive, then add the other 
two and make them a mirror. Then you could keep your data in the mirrored pool 
and the operating system, as long as some data that you don't care to be 
mirrored, in the single drive.

But as far as I can understand this is not what you asked for...

Regards
Elias
 
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Re: ZFS not usable on FreeBSD-8.1

2010-08-16 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 04:49  AM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Dick Hoogendijk d...@nagual.nl wrote:
  My 500Gb drives won't however. they keep on giving cg); bad magic number.
  Sysinstall won't newfs the drives. newfs -U /dev/gm1a (created with the
  script mentioned before does not work OK either. Always this unexplained
  message (cg0: bad magic number). I have NO CLUE whatsoever what can be the
  cause of this. Both drives can be formatted by Windows, Linux and lots of
  other utilities. They can not be formatted UFS2 for / by FreeBSD-8.1/amd64
 
 You can try to get your system up and running using something like
 http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ or pcbsd.  If that works, then I guess the possible
 cause is you. :-)

Good idea. I will give it a shot, although I'm pretty sure I'm not the cause.
I have four years experience as a (Open)Solaris system administrator and before 
that I used FreeBSD heavely. From the 4.10 series up to the 6.x series. So I do 
know something about the matter. But, we'll see... Keep you posted.
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watch(8) does not work in jails

2010-08-16 Thread David DEMELIER
Hi,

I enabled `device snp' in my kernel config file and with this I can
use the command watch(8) to see any tty device attached. For example :

# watch ttyv0

Give me the output of the console.

But in jails, it's not the same thing, I tried the following :

# jexec 1 tcsh
# su -
People# watch pts/0
watch: fatal: cannot open snoop device

Is there a limitation of watch(8), or jails ?

Kind regards.

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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:53:10AM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:

 First, and this 
 hasn't changed since the last 15 years, FreeBSD lack in support of 
 professional Compiler vendors.

I feel your pain.

I'd say that at present FBSD cannot be used as HPC platform.

Even if some things are possible to achive via linux-base, why bother?

I think the real question is: What are the goals of the FreeBSD project?
Or, in other words, for which tasks FBSD is preferable to linux?
It seems the answer is something about secure network server.
Definitely not HPC.. unfortunately.


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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Ivan Klymenko
В Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:53:10 +0200
O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de пишет:

I think that OpenCL can be activated in FreeBSD, if you add the
necessary extensions for clang/llvm ...
http://clang.llvm.org/docs/LanguageExtensions.html#vectors

and a few links on the topic ...
http://www.khronos.org/message_boards/viewtopic.php?f=36t=2314
http://llvm.org/Users.html

Am I right?
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Re: fetchmail ssl certificate verification problem in FreeBSD 8.1

2010-08-16 Thread A. Wright

On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, RW wrote:


On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 Dan Strick mla_str...@att.net wrote:


That explains the problem.
I copied the file /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt from my old
FreeBSD release-8.0 system and hooked it up to fetchmail with the
fetchmail sslcertfile option.  At least fetchmail is now happy.


You'd be better off installing security/ca_root_nss otherwise you'll be
stuck with a stale file.

I don't know why you don't have it, it's a dependency of fetchmail and
many other ports.



This thread caused me to look at my maillog, and I see the same issue.

The fetchmail port has correctly installed security/ca_root_nss,
and pkg_which reports the file in /usr/local/share/certs as having
the origin ca_root_nss-3.12.4, however fetchmail isn't looking at
it.

Looking at the fetchmail code, there is no value set for
ctl-sslcertfile.  I'm not sure what fetchmail's behaviour was
prior to 8.1, so I do not know whether this has changed.  I
don't have a pre-8.1 install handy -- if the OP does, I'd be
interested in knowing whether the string
SSL trusted certificate file:
appears in the output of
env LC_ALL=C fetchmail -V -v --nodetach --nosyslog
and if so, what filename appears after the colon.

A.

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hald freebsd8.0

2010-08-16 Thread n dhert
The handbook of FreeBSD says about Xorg: you *can* [but need not, I
understand] use HAL to autodetect keyboards and mice.

I have hald (and dbus) ports installed and running (both enabled=YES in
/etc/rc.conf)
But I suspect hald causing panic reboots.

Can one do without hald?
Oucommenting hald_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf and reboot will not be
sufficient I guess,
what else should be done, since it will affect X, in order not to loose
keyboard and mouse in
graphical envorinoment?
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Re: hald freebsd8.0

2010-08-16 Thread claudiu vasadi
from the top of my head  maybe gamin can replace hald ?
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Re: Does Opera-10.61.6430 play VP8/webm?

2010-08-16 Thread Unga
--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Caleb Stein caleb.st...@me.com wrote:

 From: Caleb Stein caleb.st...@me.com
 Subject: Re: Does Opera-10.61.6430 play VP8/webm?
 To: Unga unga...@yahoo.com
 Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 10:29 PM
 
 
 On Aug 15, 2010, at 3:39 AM, Unga unga...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi all
 
  I have installed Opera-10.61.6430 port on FreeBSD 8.1
 on i386.
 
  It doesn't play Theora or webm video. Any idea why?
 
  Best regards
  Unga
 
 
 
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 Install the 10.70 dev build.


Where is this port available? I see only opera-devel-10.20_2,1.

Regards
Unga



  
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Realtek 8139/8201L Ethernet PHY driver

2010-08-16 Thread Jack L. Stone
Am using an ASUS MB which contains the subject driver, more specifically
rlphy.

Haven't found any support for this driver in FBSD-7.3. Has anyone else
solved this issue?

I use another NICard that is supported, but only a 10/100 vs the phy is
10/100/1000.

Google is not a help, other than it does refer to the rlphy.c file which is
on my FBSD system.
%locate rlphy
/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL/modules/usr/src/sys/modules/mii/rlphy.o
/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL/rlphy.o
/usr/src/sys/dev/mii/rlphy.c

It isn't built or does it load. It's a bit over my head how to build and
load this if possible.

Any suggestions or info??

Jack

(^_^)
Happy trails,
Jack L. Stone

System Admin
Sage-american
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Re: fetchmail ssl certificate verification problem in FreeBSD 8.1

2010-08-16 Thread Dan Strick
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 01:57, RW wrote:

 You'd be better off installing security/ca_root_nss otherwise you'll be
 stuck with a stale file.

 I don't know why you don't have it, it's a dependency of fetchmail and
 many other ports.

I had it but I didn't know it.  I did discover the file it installed,
/usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt, and started to use it for fetchmail
in place of the file from my old FreeBSD system.  After I read the above
note from RW I figured out it referred to a port, that I had the port, that
it was a dependency of fetchmail and had been installed and was probably
the source of the file /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt.

Erik Norgaard also mentioned the port but I didn't understand at the time
that he was referring to a port.  He also mentioned the file
/usr/src/crypto/openssl/FAQ which very briefly discusses the issue and
mentions http://www.mail-archive.com/modssl-us...@modssl.org/msg16980.html
which describes a mechanism for constructing a root certificate bundle
from some obscure data file apparently produced by the Mozilla project,
but of course I lacked the background to understand these things at the
time.  I still don't understand them very well.

The relevant user options in my .fetchmailrc file are now:
ssl sslproto SSL3 sslcertck
sslcertfile /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt
sslfingerprint ...

Perhaps since fetchmail installs ca_root_nss as a dependency it should
also default to using the installed ca root bundle file.  Perhaps the
fetchmail port should have produced an installation message that
mentioned these things.  Perhaps the port should patch the fetchmail
man page to suggest using this file with the sslcertfile option.

I have looked very very hard for documentation on this stuff in an
obvious place but have not found any.  Where should I have looked?

Thanks,
Dan Strick
mla_strick at att.net
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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread emorras

Ivan Klymenko fi...@ukr.net escribió:


В Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:53:10 +0200
O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de пишет:

I think that OpenCL can be activated in FreeBSD, if you add the
necessary extensions for clang/llvm ...
http://clang.llvm.org/docs/LanguageExtensions.html#vectors



Yes, you can compile OpenCL but you can't execute the resulting app.


and a few links on the topic ...
http://www.khronos.org/message_boards/viewtopic.php?f=36t=2314
http://llvm.org/Users.html

Am I right?


Yes, but again, freebsd has not nvidia/ati drivers that allows it.  
There were some improvements in 8.0 that allow use the new nvidia  
drivers, but for now there's no opencl/cuda for us.


L


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Re: hald freebsd8.0

2010-08-16 Thread Robert
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:19:26 +0200
n dhert ndhert...@gmail.com wrote:

 The handbook of FreeBSD says about Xorg: you *can* [but need not, I
 understand] use HAL to autodetect keyboards and mice.
 
 I have hald (and dbus) ports installed and running (both
 enabled=YES in /etc/rc.conf)
 But I suspect hald causing panic reboots.
 
 Can one do without hald?
 Oucommenting hald_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf and reboot will not be
 sufficient I guess,
 what else should be done, since it will affect X, in order not to
 loose keyboard and mouse in
 graphical envorinoment?


Here is my config's and is working for me.

 egrep (hal|dbus) /etc/rc.conf
# dbus_enable=YES
# hald_enable=YES


cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
Option  AutoAddDevices  false

Hope this helps.

Robert
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Re: Does Opera-10.61.6430 play VP8/webm?

2010-08-16 Thread Caleb Stein



On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Unga unga...@yahoo.com wrote:


--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Caleb Stein caleb.st...@me.com wrote:


From: Caleb Stein caleb.st...@me.com
Subject: Re: Does Opera-10.61.6430 play VP8/webm?
To: Unga unga...@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 10:29 PM


On Aug 15, 2010, at 3:39 AM, Unga unga...@yahoo.com
wrote:


Hi all

I have installed Opera-10.61.6430 port on FreeBSD 8.1

on i386.


It doesn't play Theora or webm video. Any idea why?

Best regards
Unga



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Install the 10.70 dev build.



Where is this port available? I see only opera-devel-10.20_2,1.

Regards
Unga




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There is no port; download it from the Opera Desktop Team's My Opera  
page and run install in terminal.

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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Monday 16 August 2010 15:47:13 emor...@xroff.net wrote:
 Ivan Klymenko fi...@ukr.net escribió:
  В Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:53:10 +0200
  O. Hartmann ohart...@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de пишет:
  
  I think that OpenCL can be activated in FreeBSD, if you add the
  necessary extensions for clang/llvm ...
  http://clang.llvm.org/docs/LanguageExtensions.html#vectors
 
 Yes, you can compile OpenCL but you can't execute the resulting app.
 
  and a few links on the topic ...
  http://www.khronos.org/message_boards/viewtopic.php?f=36t=2314
  http://llvm.org/Users.html
  
  Am I right?
 
 Yes, but again, freebsd has not nvidia/ati drivers that allows it.
 There were some improvements in 8.0 that allow use the new nvidia
 drivers, but for now there's no opencl/cuda for us.
 
 L

I think it might be worthwhile to contact nVidia directly about this. To raise 
awareness that there are people using FreeBSD for HPC and that they very much 
would like to see OpenCL/CUDA supported.

- Pieter
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enabling the fn-f7 switch monitor functionality

2010-08-16 Thread Eitan Adler
I have a key which is meant to switch between the built in and an
external monitor. This key is activated by fn-f7. xev does not report
any activity when it is pressed.
How get I run a script when it is pressed? I think this key is
supposed to report some sort of ACPI event.

% uname -rms
FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE i386
Laptop model is Lenovo G530.



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Re: enabling the fn-f7 switch monitor functionality

2010-08-16 Thread Ryan Coleman
Isn't this a BIOS-level action? Interrupting the communication of the finger to 
the OS to run a switch?


On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:

 I have a key which is meant to switch between the built in and an
 external monitor. This key is activated by fn-f7. xev does not report
 any activity when it is pressed.
 How get I run a script when it is pressed? I think this key is
 supposed to report some sort of ACPI event.
 
 % uname -rms
 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE i386
 Laptop model is Lenovo G530.
 
 
 
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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Ivan Klymenko
 I think it might be worthwhile to contact nVidia directly about this.
 To raise awareness that there are people using FreeBSD for HPC and
 that they very much would like to see OpenCL/CUDA supported.

http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152742
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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:33:33PM +0300, Ivan Klymenko wrote:
  I think it might be worthwhile to contact nVidia directly about this.
  To raise awareness that there are people using FreeBSD for HPC and
  that they very much would like to see OpenCL/CUDA supported.

how is this different from getting e.g. native Flash or Matlab on FBSD?
We've been trying to raise awareness for years..

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Re: enabling the fn-f7 switch monitor functionality

2010-08-16 Thread Alexandr Matveev

Eitan Adler wrote:

I have a key which is meant to switch between the built in and an
external monitor. This key is activated by fn-f7. xev does not report
any activity when it is pressed.
How get I run a script when it is pressed? I think this key is
supposed to report some sort of ACPI event.

% uname -rms
FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE i386
Laptop model is Lenovo G530.

  

 Add

acpi_ibm_load=YES

 to your /boot/loader.conf (or compile this module into the kernel)

 Add

 notify 0 {
   match system  ACPI;
   match subsystem   IBM;
   match notify  0x07;
   action /full/path/to/script;
};

 to /etc/devd.conf

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Re: enabling the fn-f7 switch monitor functionality

2010-08-16 Thread Eitan Adler
# kldstat|grep acpi_ibm
121 0xc121d000 5244 acpi_ibm.ko
# tail -6 /etc/devd.conf
notify 0 {
  match system  ACPI;
  match subsystem   IBM;
  match notify  0x07;
  action /home/eitan/xbin/do-switch-screen.sh;
};

# ls -laod /home/eitan/xbin/do-switch-screen.sh
-rwxr-xr-x  1 eitan  eitan  - 88 Aug 16 10:57:05 2010
/home/eitan/xbin/do-switch-screen.sh*
% dmesg|tail
acpi_ec0: EcRead: failed waiting to get data
ACPI Exception: AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE, Returned by Handler for
[EmbeddedControl] (20100331/evregion-588)
ACPI Error (psparse-0633): Method parse/execution failed
[\\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.BAT1._BST] (Node 0xc6ad8d40),
AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE
acpi_ec0: EcRead: failed waiting to get data
ACPI Exception: AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE, Returned by Handler for
[EmbeddedControl] (20100331/evregion-588)
ACPI Error (psparse-0633): Method parse/execution failed
[\\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.BAT1._BST] (Node 0xc6ad8d40),
AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE
drm0: [ITHREAD]
acpi_ec0: EcRead: failed waiting to get data
ACPI Exception: AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE, Returned by Handler for
[EmbeddedControl] (20100331/evregion-588)
ACPI Error (psparse-0633): Method parse/execution failed
[\\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.BAT1._BST] (Node 0xc6ad8d40),
AE_NO_HARDWARE_RESPONSE

In the script I have touch $0.ran but the file does not get created.


Is there some program that would allow me to watch ACPI events? Is
there some way I could known that the key is 0x07?

  Add

  notify 0 {
       match system          ACPI;
       match subsystem       IBM;
       match notify          0x07;
       action /full/path/to/script;
 };

  to /etc/devd.conf


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Re: Open Mail Relay

2010-08-16 Thread John Levine
 Assume, as Mr. Bonomi suggests, that some bad guy has installed some
type of additional mailer on the machine or another machine that's
allowed to relay mail.  How would I go about locating that other mailer?

Another popular hack is uploading a PHP script using bugs in a CMS or wiki.

Once you have a message with accurate timestamps in the headers, check the
web logs at those times, too.

R's,
John
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Re: ZFS not usable on FreeBSD-8.1

2010-08-16 Thread Roland Smith
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:35:58AM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 04:49  AM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Dick Hoogendijk d...@nagual.nl wrote:
   My 500Gb drives won't however. they keep on giving cg); bad magic number.
   Sysinstall won't newfs the drives. newfs -U /dev/gm1a (created with the
   script mentioned before does not work OK either. Always this unexplained
   message (cg0: bad magic number). I have NO CLUE whatsoever what can be the
   cause of this. Both drives can be formatted by Windows, Linux and lots of
   other utilities. They can not be formatted UFS2 for / by FreeBSD-8.1/amd64
  
  You can try to get your system up and running using something like
  http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ or pcbsd.  If that works, then I guess the possible
  cause is you. :-)
 
 Good idea. I will give it a shot, although I'm pretty sure I'm not the
 cause.  I have four years experience as a (Open)Solaris system administrator
 and before that I used FreeBSD heavely. From the 4.10 series up to the 6.x
 series. So I do know something about the matter. But, we'll see... Keep you
 posted.

It could be that newfs is overwriting the partition table.
Can you post the output of 'gpart show device' and 'bsdlabel devices1'?

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Re: Open Mail Relay

2010-08-16 Thread Robert Bonomi

 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:57:23 -0400
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 From: pe...@vfemail.net
 Subject: Re: Open Mail Relay

 At 05:13 PM 8/14/2010, Robert Bonomi wrote:
  Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:29:54 -0400
  To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  From: pe...@vfemail.net
  Subject: Open Mail Relay
 
 
  I have a machine running FreeBSD, sendmail and majordomo.  I have someone 
  who is on one of those majordomo lists complaining that they are receiving 
  spam from me.  The complainer says I have an open mail relay that I need 
  to fix.  
 
  I went to http://www.abuse.net/relay.htmlhttp://www.abuse.net/relay.html 
  to test the machine using its IP address.  Abuse.net gives a clean bill of 
  health, saying relaying was denied in 17 separate tests.  
 
  I've reviewed my mail logs for the past couple of days and I can't find 
  any entries for any mail addressed to the complainer's domain name except 
  mail that should have been sent.  
 
  Is Abuse.net's test adequate to rule out an open mail relay problem?  
 
 
 There are -several- possible sources of spam to that list user.
 
 The abusenet open-relay tests check only one of them.
 
 The machine ay be compromised (ie.e 'owned') andthe bad guys have
 installed their -own- mail-sending software on it. the logs that
 show activity from _your_ mail-sending software would, obviously,
 *not* show the activity of this other software.
 
 In additon, whatever mailinglist said user is subscribed to _may_ be set
 to take messaes from 'anybody', not just confirmed members of the list.
 
 Thirdly, some folks sign up for a list _just_ to send their off-topic
 commercial messages to it.
 
 NONE of those three scenarios are an 'open relay', but they all result
 in spam showing up in the list-subscriber's mailbox, that got there by
 _from_ your machine.

 Thank you everyone for your many comments and suggestions.  The level of 
 talent and responsiveness on this list is nothing less than stunning.  

 I've requested copies of the offensive messages, and I'm hopeful the 
 complainer will send me copies.  I believe I have control over the majordomo 
 lists -- postings are restricted to list members, postings are monitored, and 
 many lists are moderated.  

 Assume, as Mr. Bonomi suggests, that some bad guy has installed some type of 
 additional mailer on the machine or another machine that's allowed to relay 
 mail.  How would I go about locating that other mailer?  


*IF* the machine has been comrpomised, then you're going to have a -very-
difficult time finding it, using any tools _on_ the box.  It's not uncommon
for the bad guys to install 'modified' (to use a polite word for it) 
versions of system utilities, and/or run-time-loading system libraries, 
that selectively 'edit out' information that they don't want you to see.
e.g., a modified ps(1) will -not- show the 'bot' process that is spewing 
mail.

A _second_ machine, on the same LAN, using something like 'tcpdump' to 
monitor outboud port 25 traffic from the first box, can show you if there 
are 'things happening' that are not being reported in the log files.

_Finding_ the offending code, after you've established that it *is* happening,
is a whole nuther can of worms.  _if_ you have something like an up-to-date
'tripwire' database, with fingerprints of every installed executable, you
can boot from alternate media (say the 'live CD' image), and look for things
where the fingerprint has changed.

If you establish a compromise -has- occurred, about the only way to *ensure*
that the machine is 'trustworthy' again is to back up all application *data*,
wipe the drive(s) {as in 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad??'}, and re-install 
everything FROM SCRATCH.

NOTE: This _is_ a 'worst case' scenario.  Odds are that when you see the
'full headers' on the 'offending' messages, it will turn out to be something
else entirely.

Comment:  someone who _knows_ what they're talking about would not simply
make the bald assertation 'you have an open relay' -- they would *know*
that that statement _alone_ is insufficient to get to the root of the problem
and fix it.  They would, at a minimum, identify the _type_ of traffic that
was being relayed (e.g. 'from is spoofed as your domain'), or would provide
several copies of the offending traffic, _before_ being asked.   Based on
this, the 'quality' of the original complainant's is somewhat suspect itself,


Probably the most _common_ situation is a spammer signs up to a mailing list,
*NOT* to spam _through_ it, but to collect the email addresses of those who
post _to_ the mailing list.  And they then send junk email to those people
directly.  Now, if somebody is using a 'unique' email address for that 
mailing list, they *can* jump to te onclusion that 'anything' to that address
must jave come from/through your servers.  I haven't seen anybody doing this
kind of thing 'smart enough' so as to make it appear (in received headers)
that it originated from the mailing-list server; it's 

Re: watch(8) does not work in jails

2010-08-16 Thread Roland Smith
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:23:00AM +0200, David DEMELIER wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I enabled `device snp' in my kernel config file and with this I can
 use the command watch(8) to see any tty device attached. For example :
 
 # watch ttyv0
 
 Give me the output of the console.
 
 But in jails, it's not the same thing, I tried the following :
 
 # jexec 1 tcsh
 # su -
 People# watch pts/0
 watch: fatal: cannot open snoop device
 
 Is there a limitation of watch(8), or jails ?

Does /dev/pts/0 actually exist in the jail's devfs instance, and are its
permissions correct?

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Re: watch(8) does not work in jails

2010-08-16 Thread David DEMELIER

   Dear Sir/Madam,
   Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending
   it to.
   For more information on our business please click on the following
   link:
   [1]Click here for our website
   We look forward to your continued business in the future.
   Regards,
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References

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Re: Open Mail Relay

2010-08-16 Thread Robert Bonomi
 From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sun Aug 15 15:15:43 2010
 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:15:57 +0200
 From: Erik Norgaard norga...@locolomo.org
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Open Mail Relay

 On 15/08/10 13.57, pe...@vfemail.net wrote:

  Assume, as Mr. Bonomi suggests, that some bad guy has installed some type 
  of additional mailer on the machine or another machine that's allowed to 
  relay mail.  How would I go about locating that other mailer?

 If the messages are indeed relayed through your server then you can see 
 it in the logs and in the Received header field which host is sending 
 the mail to your server.

*IF* it is just a case of the 'intended to be used' mail server is mis-
configured, and allowing relaying, that is correct.

*IF*, OTOH, the machine has been broken-into/compromised/owned, then
the 'bad guys'  are fully capable of installing their _own_ mail-sending
software --software that does *NOT* record anything in the normal log files.
This kind of software is 'maliciously built' to leave *no* tracks with 
regard to incoming _or_ outgoing connections from/to other hosts.

 If somebody forges mail to appear to come from your domain, but not 
 relayed through your server there is really not much you can do. Only 
 the recipient server can reject the mails.

 Some servers support spf and you can help other servers know that mail 
 from your domain must originate from your server by adding a txt entry 
 in your dns.

 BR, Erik
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Not booting after freebsd install

2010-08-16 Thread Mubeesh ali
Hi, i have an acer 5745 which had ubuntu running not booting after an
attempted freebsd install .i understand that i  might have wiped by
choosing auto partition :-( and had not written mbr so that we could
manage all from grub .now the laptop is stuck at bios splash screen.it
refuses to go even to bios setup.
please advice how i can recover and start over

Thanks
mubeesh

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Re: Realtek 8139/8201L Ethernet PHY driver

2010-08-16 Thread Roland Smith
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 08:22:50AM -0500, Jack L. Stone wrote:
 Am using an ASUS MB which contains the subject driver, more specifically
 rlphy.
 
 Haven't found any support for this driver in FBSD-7.3. Has anyone else
 solved this issue?

Read the rl(4) manual page. For this chip you need to have the following in
your kernel config:

device miibus
device rl

_or_ you need to load _one_ kernel module by putting

if_rl_load=YES

in your /boot/loader.conf. The miibus(4) device contains common code for
various PHY devices.

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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Monday 16 August 2010 16:50:01 Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:33:33PM +0300, Ivan Klymenko wrote:
   I think it might be worthwhile to contact nVidia directly about this.
   To raise awareness that there are people using FreeBSD for HPC and
   that they very much would like to see OpenCL/CUDA supported.

 how is this different from getting e.g. native Flash or Matlab on FBSD?
 We've been trying to raise awareness for years..

So did we for the nvidia driver on amd64.

I'm not saying that we will be successful, I'm just saying if they're not even 
aware of this need that it will never happen.

- Pieter
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Re: ZFS not usable on FreeBSD-8.1

2010-08-16 Thread Dick Hoogendijk

 On 16-8-2010 20:14, Roland Smith wrote:

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:35:58AM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 04:49  AM, Adam Vande Moreamvandem...@gmail.com  wrote:

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Dick Hoogendijkd...@nagual.nl  wrote:

My 500Gb drives won't however. they keep on giving cg); bad magic number.
Sysinstall won't newfs the drives. newfs -U /dev/gm1a (created with the
script mentioned before does not work OK either. Always this unexplained
message (cg0: bad magic number). I have NO CLUE whatsoever what can be the
cause of this. Both drives can be formatted by Windows, Linux and lots of
other utilities. They can not be formatted UFS2 for / by FreeBSD-8.1/amd64

You can try to get your system up and running using something like
http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ or pcbsd.  If that works, then I guess the possible
cause is you. :-)

Good idea. I will give it a shot, although I'm pretty sure I'm not the
cause.  I have four years experience as a (Open)Solaris system administrator
and before that I used FreeBSD heavely. From the 4.10 series up to the 6.x
series. So I do know something about the matter. But, we'll see... Keep you
posted.

It could be that newfs is overwriting the partition table.
Can you post the output of 'gpart showdevice' and 'bsdlabeldevices1'?
I have found the cause of my troubles. Using FixIt I was able today to 
use my ad8 with gpart and newfs it without errors. I also found out that 
zpool scrub pool was waiting for an uninterruptible disk wait. That made 
me remember I used to have troubles before in this hardware setting.


The problem lies in a flaw in my MB. I have one ATA disk attached as 
master and an ATAPI dvd drive (slave) on ATA channel 0 plus four SATA2 
drives (ATA channel 4,5,6,7 master). Somehow this does not work OK. 
Without the ATA drive on channel 0 (an older model) my four SATA2 drives 
work perfectly. I suspect some kind of interrupt issue.


Problem: FreeBSD is installed on my ATA drive on channel 0. I tried to 
do a minimal install on drive ad8 today to dump/restore the system over 
and get rid of that lousy ATA drive. Bad luck. Sysinstall can't find 
/dev/ad8s1b so it can't complete the creation of the filesystems. And 
thus I can't do a minimal install on this SATA2 drive.


Any ideas how I can overcome this issue?

westmark# atacontrol list
ATA channel 0:
Master:  ad0 ST3160021A/8.01 ATA/ATAPI revision 6
Slave:  acd0 PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A/1.08 ATA/ATAPI revision 6
ATA channel 1:
Master:  no device present
Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 2:
Master:  no device present
Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 3:
Master:  no device present
Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 4:
Master:  ad8 Hitachi HDP725050GLA360/GM4OA5CA SATA revision 2.x
Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 5:
Master: ad10 Hitachi HDP725050GLA360/GM4OA50E SATA revision 2.x
Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 6:
Master: ad12 Hitachi HDT721010SLA360/ST6OA31B SATA revision 2.x
Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 7:
Master: ad14 Hitachi HDS721010CLA332/JP4OA39C SATA revision 2.x
Slave:   no device present

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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Hartmann, O.

 On 08/16/10 16:50, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:33:33PM +0300, Ivan Klymenko wrote:

I think it might be worthwhile to contact nVidia directly about this.
To raise awareness that there are people using FreeBSD for HPC and
that they very much would like to see OpenCL/CUDA supported.

how is this different from getting e.g. native Flash or Matlab on FBSD?
We've been trying to raise awareness for years..



I do not know any scientific group using FreeBSD anymore. Most of those 
groups used FreeBSD changed to Linux (mostly Redhat, some Ubuntu). Watching
Phoronix and their benchmarks speaks clear what OS is the first choice. 
Well, I like the staright forward, centralised organization and the 
academic heritage

of the BSDs and I would miss ZFS.

The essence is: there is no serious reason to convince compiler vendors 
or vendors of 3D graphics chips of supporting FreeBSD for a specific 
purpose if there is
no need -statistically. AMD/ATi in conjunction with OpenCL/LLVM was a 
great hope since the GPU vendor offered 3D specs of their chips to 
opensource vendors.
But on the other hand nVidia seems to be much better supported by 
Gallium3D these days although they haven't offered internal 3d specs. 
I'm confused and at the
end I have to decide. At the moment the comunity of astronomers and 
astrophysicist is sharing several very interesting N-body simulation 
code based on CUDA (open source)
but users and maybe rare scientists still using FreeBSD are excluded 
from using those benefits.

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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Hartmann, O.

 On 08/16/10 21:13, Pieter de Goeje wrote:

On Monday 16 August 2010 16:50:01 Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:33:33PM +0300, Ivan Klymenko wrote:

I think it might be worthwhile to contact nVidia directly about this.
To raise awareness that there are people using FreeBSD for HPC and
that they very much would like to see OpenCL/CUDA supported.

how is this different from getting e.g. native Flash or Matlab on FBSD?
We've been trying to raise awareness for years..

So did we for the nvidia driver on amd64.

I'm not saying that we will be successful, I'm just saying if they're not even
aware of this need that it will never happen.

- Pieter


I think they are aware, but the number of users is very, very low. Since 
modern 3D accerlerated and GPGPU capable drivers are developed 
dominantly under Linux, BSDs lack in modern
architectures like KMS necessary running those modern drivers, so in 
case of the 64Bit video drivers it could be more a lack in the 
underlying technical infrastructure than the low number of users. But I 
do not know.


Oliver
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RE: ZFS not usable on FreeBSD-8.1

2010-08-16 Thread Graeme Dargie


-Original Message-
From: Dick Hoogendijk [mailto:d...@nagual.nl] 
Sent: 16 August 2010 21:49
To: Roland Smith
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: ZFS not usable on FreeBSD-8.1

  On 16-8-2010 20:14, Roland Smith wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:35:58AM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 04:49  AM, Adam Vande
Moreamvandem...@gmail.com  wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Dick Hoogendijkd...@nagual.nl
wrote:
 My 500Gb drives won't however. they keep on giving cg); bad magic
number.
 Sysinstall won't newfs the drives. newfs -U /dev/gm1a (created with
the
 script mentioned before does not work OK either. Always this
unexplained
 message (cg0: bad magic number). I have NO CLUE whatsoever what can
be the
 cause of this. Both drives can be formatted by Windows, Linux and
lots of
 other utilities. They can not be formatted UFS2 for / by
FreeBSD-8.1/amd64
 You can try to get your system up and running using something like
 http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ or pcbsd.  If that works, then I guess the
possible
 cause is you. :-)
 Good idea. I will give it a shot, although I'm pretty sure I'm not
the
 cause.  I have four years experience as a (Open)Solaris system
administrator
 and before that I used FreeBSD heavely. From the 4.10 series up to
the 6.x
 series. So I do know something about the matter. But, we'll see...
Keep you
 posted.
 It could be that newfs is overwriting the partition table.
 Can you post the output of 'gpart showdevice' and
'bsdlabeldevices1'?
I have found the cause of my troubles. Using FixIt I was able today to 
use my ad8 with gpart and newfs it without errors. I also found out that

zpool scrub pool was waiting for an uninterruptible disk wait. That made

me remember I used to have troubles before in this hardware setting.

The problem lies in a flaw in my MB. I have one ATA disk attached as 
master and an ATAPI dvd drive (slave) on ATA channel 0 plus four SATA2 
drives (ATA channel 4,5,6,7 master). Somehow this does not work OK. 
Without the ATA drive on channel 0 (an older model) my four SATA2 drives

work perfectly. I suspect some kind of interrupt issue.

Problem: FreeBSD is installed on my ATA drive on channel 0. I tried to 
do a minimal install on drive ad8 today to dump/restore the system over 
and get rid of that lousy ATA drive. Bad luck. Sysinstall can't find 
/dev/ad8s1b so it can't complete the creation of the filesystems. And 
thus I can't do a minimal install on this SATA2 drive.

Any ideas how I can overcome this issue?

westmark# atacontrol list
ATA channel 0:
 Master:  ad0 ST3160021A/8.01 ATA/ATAPI revision 6
 Slave:  acd0 PLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A/1.08 ATA/ATAPI revision 6
ATA channel 1:
 Master:  no device present
 Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 2:
 Master:  no device present
 Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 3:
 Master:  no device present
 Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 4:
 Master:  ad8 Hitachi HDP725050GLA360/GM4OA5CA SATA revision 2.x
 Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 5:
 Master: ad10 Hitachi HDP725050GLA360/GM4OA50E SATA revision 2.x
 Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 6:
 Master: ad12 Hitachi HDT721010SLA360/ST6OA31B SATA revision 2.x
 Slave:   no device present
ATA channel 7:
 Master: ad14 Hitachi HDS721010CLA332/JP4OA39C SATA revision 2.x
 Slave:   no device present

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Bit of a long shot, but have you tried enabling AHCI mode for the sata
drives in the bios and setting ahci_load=YES in /boot/loader.conf
assuming your the board supports it.

Regards
Graeme

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Re: ZFS not usable on FreeBSD-8.1

2010-08-16 Thread Dick Hoogendijk

 On 16-8-2010 23:13, Graeme Dargie wrote:

Bit of a long shot, but have you tried enabling AHCI mode for the sata
drives in the bios and setting ahci_load=YES in /boot/loader.conf
assuming your the board supports it.
I will certainly check this one out. Wouldn't know if my MB supports it. 
Hope so, for I get the feeling most problems will be over then. and if 
not, I'm removing the older ATA drive. The system is now being 
transfered to the first sata2 drive.
We'll see if it will boot tomorrow. It should. The drive is prepard for 
it with gpart. ;-) Thanks for the pointer.

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Re: Not booting after freebsd install

2010-08-16 Thread Bruce Cran
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:54:51 +0530
Mubeesh ali mubeeshal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, i have an acer 5745 which had ubuntu running not booting after an
 attempted freebsd install .i understand that i  might have wiped by
 choosing auto partition :-( and had not written mbr so that we could
 manage all from grub .now the laptop is stuck at bios splash screen.it
 refuses to go even to bios setup.
 please advice how i can recover and start over

Specific configurations of partitions (or rather, byte patterns) are
known to cause some BIOSes to hang during POST - on mine it was Windows
and FreeBSD. If you can, try switching from AHCI to IDE or vice versa.
Otherwise you might have to remove the drive and reconfigure it on
another system with a less buggy BIOS.

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Re: Not booting after freebsd install

2010-08-16 Thread Bruce Cran
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:30:07 +0100
Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:

 Specific configurations of partitions (or rather, byte patterns) are
 known to cause some BIOSes to hang during POST - on mine it was
 Windows and FreeBSD. If you can, try switching from AHCI to IDE or
 vice versa. Otherwise you might have to remove the drive and
 reconfigure it on another system with a less buggy BIOS.
 

For reference, my problem was due to the AHCI BIOS:
http://communities.intel.com/thread/10768;jsessionid=BE85ABF882B97023AE879865A741FDD6.node7COM
It was solved by resetting the CMOS so I could get into the setup menu.

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Re: watch(8) does not work in jails

2010-08-16 Thread David DEMELIER
2010/8/16 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl:
 On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:23:00AM +0200, David DEMELIER wrote:
 Hi,

 I enabled `device snp' in my kernel config file and with this I can
 use the command watch(8) to see any tty device attached. For example :

 # watch ttyv0

 Give me the output of the console.

 But in jails, it's not the same thing, I tried the following :

 # jexec 1 tcsh
 # su -
 People# watch pts/0
 watch: fatal: cannot open snoop device

 Is there a limitation of watch(8), or jails ?

 Does /dev/pts/0 actually exist in the jail's devfs instance, and are its
 permissions correct?


(In jail) :

# ls -l /dev/pts/*
crw--w  1 markand  tty0,  94 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/0
crw--w  1 markand  tty0,  96 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/1
crw--w  1 root tty0, 101 21 Jul 00:07 /people/dev/pts/2
crw--w  1 markand  tty0, 108 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/3
crw--w  1 markand  tty0,  99 16 Aug 01:28 /people/dev/pts/4
crw--w  1 markand  tty0, 112 17 Aug 00:05 /people/dev/pts/5
crw--w  1 root tty0, 111 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/6
crw--w  1 root tty0, 114 16 Aug 23:53 /people/dev/pts/7
crw--w  1 root tty0, 100 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/8

I don't understand why pts/0 is given to me since on the host I don't have it :

(On host) :

mark...@orange ~ $ who
markand  pts/616 Aug 23:57 (192.168.1.20)
markand  pts/716 Aug 23:52 (192.168.1.20)
markand  pts/817 Aug 00:06 (192.168.1.20)
markand  pts/917 Aug 00:06 (192.168.1.20)

But in the jail pts/0 is affected to a completely different user.

I'm confused.

 Roland
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Re: watch(8) does not work in jails

2010-08-16 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:09:23AM +0200, David DEMELIER wrote:
  Does /dev/pts/0 actually exist in the jail's devfs instance, and are its
  permissions correct?
 
 
 (In jail) :
 
 # ls -l /dev/pts/*
 crw--w  1 markand  tty0,  94 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/0
 crw--w  1 markand  tty0,  96 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/1
 crw--w  1 root tty0, 101 21 Jul 00:07 /people/dev/pts/2
 crw--w  1 markand  tty0, 108 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/3
 crw--w  1 markand  tty0,  99 16 Aug 01:28 /people/dev/pts/4
 crw--w  1 markand  tty0, 112 17 Aug 00:05 /people/dev/pts/5
 crw--w  1 root tty0, 111 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/6
 crw--w  1 root tty0, 114 16 Aug 23:53 /people/dev/pts/7
 crw--w  1 root tty0, 100 17 Aug 00:06 /people/dev/pts/8

I think you mounted your devfs incorrectly or you started the jail in the
wrong directory. If ls is run inside the jail, it should be /dev/pts/N, not
/people/dev/pts/N!

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Re: FreeBSD, GPGPU and OpenCL/CUDA

2010-08-16 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Monday 16 August 2010 23:00:52 Hartmann, O. wrote:
   On 08/16/10 21:13, Pieter de Goeje wrote:
  On Monday 16 August 2010 16:50:01 Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:33:33PM +0300, Ivan Klymenko wrote:
  I think it might be worthwhile to contact nVidia directly about this.
  To raise awareness that there are people using FreeBSD for HPC and
  that they very much would like to see OpenCL/CUDA supported.
 
  how is this different from getting e.g. native Flash or Matlab on FBSD?
  We've been trying to raise awareness for years..
 
  So did we for the nvidia driver on amd64.
 
  I'm not saying that we will be successful, I'm just saying if they're not
  even aware of this need that it will never happen.
 
  - Pieter

 I think they are aware, but the number of users is very, very low. Since
 modern 3D accerlerated and GPGPU capable drivers are developed
 dominantly under Linux, BSDs lack in modern
 architectures like KMS necessary running those modern drivers, so in
 case of the 64Bit video drivers it could be more a lack in the
 underlying technical infrastructure than the low number of users. But I
 do not know.

 Oliver

The amd64 driver was an illustration of something where raising awareness or 
whatever you might call it actually helped IMHO.

Unfortunately this is a chicken-and-egg problem. No HPC users means no demand 
means no incentive to do something about it means no HPC users ad infinitum. 
But I'm sure you're already knew that.

- Pieter
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Upgrading ports while processes are running.

2010-08-16 Thread Danny Carroll
 Hiya All,

I just finished upgrading perl on one of my machines and something
crossed my mind while it was busy compiling and reinstalling all of the
ports that depended on perl.
Will a port install fail if it cannot write to a file because it's in-use?
Also, is it necessary to restart the server or at lease the apps after a
port upgrade?

The answer to the second question is certainly yes.   But is it
considered dangerous to upgrade a port that is currently running?
Things like mysql and apache come to mind.

To take it one step further, what about shared libraries?   If a process
is using a shared lib, then it seems that it does not lock the file for
writing, but I would think that it would not start using the lib until
you restarted all of the processes that used that shared lib.
Once the last process using the shared lib is killed, is it
automatically unlinked from memory?

I guess best practice should be to restart the system after a major port
upgrade (unless you know which processes depend on the files that have
been upgraded - then you should just be able to restart those processes).

-D




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Re: Upgrading ports while processes are running.

2010-08-16 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:01:03 +1000, Danny Carroll f...@dannysplace.net wrote:
 Will a port install fail if it cannot write to a file because it's in-use?

At least, the step that wants to write will fail, and this will
mostly be (finally) signaled by a make error. UNIX doesn't have
a file in use paradigm per se; i. e. you can open one and the
same file in two editors simultaneously, and depending on which
editor performs SAVE FILE, the file's content on disk will vary.
Of course, there's file locking (see man flock).



 Also, is it necessary to restart the server or at lease the apps after a
 port upgrade?

This depends on the programs. In most cases, it's useful to stop
a kind of server app before performing the update, and then
restarting it after the upgrade has been performed. Restarting
the server isn't neccessary in most cases. You usually won't
have much trouble with programs that are started many times
(like editor, media player), as they will surely survive an
update, and don't affect the system if they won't.



 The answer to the second question is certainly yes.   But is it
 considered dangerous to upgrade a port that is currently running?
 Things like mysql and apache come to mind.

I always went with the method stop, upgrade, start - it's not
that short downtimes (planned!) have gotten me into trouble. :-)



 To take it one step further, what about shared libraries?   If a process
 is using a shared lib, then it seems that it does not lock the file for
 writing, but I would think that it would not start using the lib until
 you restarted all of the processes that used that shared lib.
 Once the last process using the shared lib is killed, is it
 automatically unlinked from memory?

I think so, allthough I think there's a caching mechanism for
shared libraries (ld cache).



 I guess best practice should be to restart the system after a major port
 upgrade (unless you know which processes depend on the files that have
 been upgraded - then you should just be able to restart those processes).

Most server apps provide rc.d style scripts which makes it quite
easy to cleanly stop them before the update, so you don't have
to manually hunt processes. This mechanism enables you to selectively
prevent programs from being interfered by their respective updating
procedures.

A system reboot is highly encouraged when updating the OS or kernel
components. If you are unsure and don't care for uptime, you *can*
reboot, as it won't make things worse. :-)


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Re: Upgrading ports while processes are running.

2010-08-16 Thread Mark Shroyer
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:23:27 +0200, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 At least, the step that wants to write will fail, and this will
 mostly be (finally) signaled by a make error.

This is sort of pedantic for me to bring up, but I wouldn't count on the
install failing.  Because Unix makes a distinction between unlinking and
file deletion, you can generally unlink the binary of a running
executable without any problem; the filesystem won't actually delete it
at least until the process in question stops running and the inode's
reference count drops to zero.  See Advanced Programming in the Unix
Environment for details.

Here's a quick example on FreeBSD:

$ cat hello.c
#include stdio.h

int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
  while (1) {
printf(Hello\n);
sleep(1);
  }

  return 0;
}
$ cc -o hello hello.c
$ ./hello

This simple program will start printing Hello repeatedly.  Now if I
switch to another terminal, I can delete the hello binary:

$ rm hello

But switching back to the first terminal, I see the program is still
running just fine.  Running programs can be unlinked.

And this is what the install program used by FreeBSD ports appears to
do; from /usr/src/usr.bin/xinstall/install.c:

create_newfile(const char *path, int target, struct stat *sbp)
{
char backup[MAXPATHLEN];
int saved_errno = 0;
int newfd;

if (target) {
/*
 * Unlink now... avoid ETXTBSY errors later.  Try to turn
 * off the append/immutable bits -- if we fail, go ahead,
 * it might work.
 */
if (sbp-st_flags  NOCHANGEBITS)
(void)chflags(path, sbp-st_flags  ~NOCHANGEBITS);

if (dobackup) {
if ((size_t)snprintf(backup, MAXPATHLEN, %s%s,
path, suffix) != strlen(path) + strlen(suffix))
errx(EX_OSERR, %s: backup filename too long,
path);
(void)snprintf(backup, MAXPATHLEN, %s%s,
path, suffix);
if (verbose)
(void)printf(install: %s - %s\n,
path, backup);
if (rename(path, backup)  0)
err(EX_OSERR, rename: %s to %s, path, backup);
} else
if (unlink(path)  0)
saved_errno = errno;
}

newfd = open(path, O_CREAT | O_RDWR | O_TRUNC, S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR);
if (newfd  0  saved_errno != 0)
errno = saved_errno;
return newfd;
}

That isn't to say you won't see any negative consequences from
overwriting a running port with a newer version.  Hypothetically, you
might install a new Python including a new standard library, and if your
running (old) Python process tries to load one of its deleted modules
from disk something could break.  Or not; I'm no expert on the ports
system, they might have some way of working around this.  But as for a
pragmatic answer to your question, I err on the side of caution with
this stuff :)

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Re: Not booting after freebsd install

2010-08-16 Thread Mubeesh ali
thanks bruce. Here the laptop is stuck at bios splash screen. here if i
cannot get to bios set up.


thanks,

Mubeesh

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:

 On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:30:07 +0100
 Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:

  Specific configurations of partitions (or rather, byte patterns) are
  known to cause some BIOSes to hang during POST - on mine it was
  Windows and FreeBSD. If you can, try switching from AHCI to IDE or
  vice versa. Otherwise you might have to remove the drive and
  reconfigure it on another system with a less buggy BIOS.
 

 For reference, my problem was due to the AHCI BIOS:

 http://communities.intel.com/thread/10768;jsessionid=BE85ABF882B97023AE879865A741FDD6.node7COM
 It was solved by resetting the CMOS so I could get into the setup menu.

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FreeBSD Downloading problem

2010-08-16 Thread Derek Schwartz
Hey, I'm trying to install FreeBSD on a Dell PC with Intel Pentium 4 processor.
When I insert the CD, read error, 0x01 appears and nothing else
happens, I've tried restarting and changing settings, but no luck.

I'm going to try re-burning the CD

any other way I can fix this error?

Derek Schwartz

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