Re: make buildkernel pre-build too long
2010/9/21 Alexander Best arun...@freebsd.org:
On Fri Sep 17 10, David DEMELIER wrote:
2010/9/17 Alexander Best arun...@freebsd.org:
On Thu Sep 16 10, David DEMELIER wrote:
Hi there,
I can't understand why this part of make buildkernel is so long on my
amd64 machine (8.1-R)
make -V CFILES -V SYSTEM_CFILES -V GEN_CFILES | MKDEP_CPP=cc -E
CC=cc xargs mkdep -a -f .newdep -O2 -frename-registers -pipe
-fno-strict-aliasing -std=c99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls
-Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes
-Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
-fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys
-I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter
-I/usr/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/usr/src/sys/dev/ath
-I/usr/src/sys/dev/ath/ath_hal -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ngatm
-I/usr/src/sys/dev/twa -I/usr/src/sys/gnu/fs/xfs/FreeBSD
-I/usr/src/sys/gnu/fs/xfs/FreeBSD/support -I/usr/src/sys/gnu/fs/xfs
-I/usr/src/sys/contrib/opensolaris/compat -I/usr/src/sys/dev/cxgb
-D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h
-fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param
large-function-growth=1000 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel
-mno-red-zone -mfpmath=387 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -mno-mmx
-mno-3dnow -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables
-ffreestanding -fstack-protector
This command takes around 5-6 minutes before continuing, on my i386
machine (which is really old) it only takes about 20 seconds. The
kernel configs are almost the same for both machines.
are there any differences in /etc/make.conf?
cheers.
alex
Do you have any idea?
Kind regards,
--
Demelier David
--
a13x
No, except the KERNCONF entry it's exactly the same :
hmmmstrange. could you post the ouput of `make -VCFLAGS -VCOPTFLAGS` on
both your machines, please?
cheers.
alex
# General settings.
KERNCONF=Melon
MASTER_SORT?= .fr .uk
# Portconf.
.if !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/ports*) exists(/usr/local/libexec/portconf)
_PORTCONF!=/usr/local/libexec/portconf
.for i in ${_PORTCONF:S/|/ /g}
${i:S/%/ /g}
.endfor
.endif
# Perl.
PERL_VERSION=5.10.1
# No need modules.
NO_MODULES=yes
# Specify other directories.
WRKDIRPREFIX= /usr/obj
DISTDIR= /usr/distfiles
--
Demelier David
--
a13x
-O2 -pipe
I think the problem is the amd64 architecture. When I buildkernel
using TARGET_ARCH=i386 it takes only one minute or even less, it's
only native target (amd64) which is long.
Kind regards,
--
Demelier David
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Re: wireless networking
to find about your devices, and check you've a driver to use them:
pciconf -lv
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Xorg.conf(5)
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:12 AM, William Kindler williamkind...@att.netwrote:
-- I have 2 wireless adapter that I am able to use for my system. One is a
usb device, a D-Link DWA130, and the other is a PCI device, a Netgear
WN311T. I can find no information about Linux or UNIX support, or drivers
for either, on your website or on the respective manufacturer's sites, nor
can I find out what chipsets they are using.
Are either of these devices supported with Free-BSD, or the PC-BSD?
Bill Kindler
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Re: dnsmasq, mfsBSD, status refused
Hi,
I tried to associate hostnames with IPs in the hosts file.
And it worked...
With my linux gate, declaring hosts (mac,ip,name,lease) in one line works
perfectly...
I don't understand why it won't with FreeBSD...
Whatever, sorry for the disturbance :)
Cheers,
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On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Samuel Martín Moro faus...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi
I'm trying to replace my gate with a qnap ts-509.
I installed mfsBSD, based on FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE amd64.
I just had to build some pre-configured packages, add ipfw, ipfw_nat and
libalias to boot modules.
Everything's working just fine, except for the DNS (dnsmasq-2.55,1.tbz,
rebuilt with config files and ipfw startup script)
DHCP works perfectly. But DNS does not...
Even on the (soon-to-be) gateway, so I'm assuming ipfw is not related to
the problem (in doubt, I still send it)
r...@phi /real/tmp : ipfw list
1 check-state
2 allow ip from any to any via lo0
3 allow tcp from any to any established
00500 allow ip from any to any via bge1
00666 allow tcp from me to any out via bge0 setup uid root keep-state
65535 deny ip from any to any
(since bge0 is not plugged, it's quite empty...)
r...@phi /real/tmp : ./dig @localhost alpha.faust-network
; DiG 9.6.2-P2 alpha.faust-network
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 13068
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;alpha.faust-network. IN A
;; Query time: 13 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Mon Sep 20 13:41:15 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 37
basically, my configuration is the following:
cache-size=1024
local-ttl=15
log-dhcp
interface=bge1
bind-interfaces
no-negcache
dhcp-range=10.254.254.1,10.254.254.254,255.0.0.0,1h
dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,omega,10.42.42.45 # PXE TFTP server (omega)
dhcp-option=3,10.242.42.254 # gateway
dhcp-option=19,1# option ip-forwarding off
dhcp-option=23,42 # TTL de 42
dhcp-option=44,10.242.42.254# Wins Server
dhcp-option=45,10.242.42.254# NetBios DDS
dhcp-option=46,8# NetBios Node Type
dhcp-option=option:ntp-server,213.186.41.134,88.191.79.242,193.55.167.2,80.65.235.4,194.57.191.1,91.121.45.45
dhcp-script=/usr/local/bin/dhcp_action
domain=faust-network
expand-hosts
bogus-nxdomain=64.94.110.11 #get SSL certificate from another CAServer
localmx
selfmx
conf-file=/usr/local/etc/blocklist.conf # filter adds, shits, facebook, ...
my resolv.conf:
nameserver 10.242.42.254 #localhost, priv addr
nameserver 8.8.4.4
domain faust-network
I already have a dnsmasq working perfectly on my current gate
(ArchLinux-x86_64).
I copied the configuration, making a few changes (192.168.0.0/24 -
10.0.0.0/8).
So, I don't understant what I'm doing wrong
Any idea?
Cheers,
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Re: apache22 and threads
Michael Powell wrote: When building apache22 from ports, would you recommend to enable or to disable threads support? Even more confusing is the fact that for ports/www/apache22 the default is: Enable threads support in APR is off (WITHOUT_THREADS=true) while for ports/devel/apr1 the default is: Enable Threads in apr is on (WITH_THREADS=true). Thank you in advance for any input. PS ports/devel/apr1 will also be used for the subversion client. I wouldn't mind someone with more apache22-fu to elaborate, correcting the following if necessary. My thoughts are this matters depending upon which mpm you choose to build into apache. The default is prefork, and it handles incoming requests by spawning child processes. Do you mean to say WITH_MPM=prefork works exactly like apache13? [dd] An additional consideration might be what kind of backend is used. For example, since not all of PHP is known to be thread safe it is not recommended for use with a threaded server and mod_php. The way to get around this situation is to separate PHP from Apache with something like mod_fcgid which runs PHP as a FastCGI. This way you can safely run a threaded Apache with non-thread safe PHP. As far as which is the better approach I still am not really sure. Each has its set of pros and cons. From what you have written it seems that prefork and no threads is the robustest, most reliable configuration (even if more resource consuming)? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wireless networking
On Tuesday 21 September 2010 04:12:45, William Kindler wrote: -- I have 2 wireless adapter that I am able to use for my system. One is a usb device, a D-Link DWA130, and the other is a PCI device, a Netgear WN311T. I can find no information about Linux or UNIX support, or drivers for either, on your website or on the respective manufacturer's sites, nor can I find out what chipsets they are using. Are either of these devices supported with Free-BSD, or the PC-BSD? Bill Kindler Asking google shows that there are informations about them on many linux forums. It depends on revision of these cards because f.ex. DWA130 has 5 revisions from A(no rev number) to E and they're using different chipsets inside. As an example information from net8192su.inf: %DWA-130C2.DeviceDesc% = RTL8192su.ndi, USB\VID_07D1PID_3302 %DWA-130E1.DeviceDesc% = RTL8192su.ndi, USB\VID_07D1PID_3300 %DWA-131A1.DeviceDesc% = RTL8192su.ndi, USB\VID_07D1PID_3303 I don't know this chipset and if it's supported by any driver. Looking for the Netgear it looks that it's Marvell 88W8361 and it's rather not supported by FreeBSD. Atleast man(8) mwl says that only 88W8363 is supported. Regards, Maciek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: apache22 and threads
Victor Sudakov wrote: [snip] My thoughts are this matters depending upon which mpm you choose to build into apache. The default is prefork, and it handles incoming requests by spawning child processes. Do you mean to say WITH_MPM=prefork works exactly like apache13? Essentially yes. Although you don't have to specify as it is the default. You would only need to specify for a non-default configuration. An additional consideration might be what kind of backend is used. For example, since not all of PHP is known to be thread safe it is not recommended for use with a threaded server and mod_php. The way to get around this situation is to separate PHP from Apache with something like mod_fcgid which runs PHP as a FastCGI. This way you can safely run a threaded Apache with non-thread safe PHP. As far as which is the better approach I still am not really sure. Each has its set of pros and cons. From what you have written it seems that prefork and no threads is the robustest, most reliable configuration (even if more resource consuming)? Most tried and true with the longest track record. Definitely the conservative approach. I have been running the event mpm with PHP as FastCGI for about a year and a half now on two servers with no reliability issues. However, neither is ever fully loaded so I can't say whether they'd fold if hit with enough traffic. The prefork mpm without threads and mod_php is a safe bet for a server that will not be hitting the wall, traffic volume-wise. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: why is the PHP stuff line off by default in ports/lang/php5?
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 329, Issue 2, Message: 14 On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:22:57 -0700 Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 08:00, d...@safeport.com wrote: I think that response was not all that unreasonable. I'm not sure if you are referring to me or ale here. To ale@ I expect. Since I started this in response to Gary's surprise, I'd better try cleaning up a bit :) 3) I think (proof left to the reader) there is an apache/php package. There's not. There's no way to run pkg_add -r whatever and get the apache module (either that or it is poorly named and not found with a search). And, as I understand it, at one point there was, then it changed. Well, to be fair, it was quite a long time ago. As I recall without searching back years, when php5 came out both it and php4 - which had hitherto included mod_php in the distributed package - began defaulting to not building the module, rendering php packages useless for mod_php users. I think at that point apache 1.3 was still mainstream and 2.0 was still fairly new, perhaps in devel/ .. but I might misremember. My suggestion was to add it back via a slave port (say lang/php5-apache). This would be *in addition* to the existing lang/php5 port and everyone who is worried about unnecessary dependency bloat, security, etc. would be free to keep using that. Supposedly, there is a reason that shipping a binary package for this is impossible, despite the fact that every major Linux distribution does (and thus millions of web servers run this way) and supposedly there are many detailed descriptions of this reason in the list archives, though I can't find any. Well, I pretty well got it from the bit of ale's albeit terse response that you haven't mentioned: You have to comile the module for your specific apache installation. which Matthew Seaman (thanks) has since expanded on more thoroughly. [And while there's LOTS of things about Linux I don't like, Debian's excellent binary updates for both system and apps isn't one of them; except a few customised apps, we've never _had_ to compile anything] Adding the slave port was a good faith suggestion about how to improve the situation to meet everyone's needs. I feel it is rather dismissive and somewhat rude just say The answer is simply 'no' without any explanation. Noone disputes your good faith; I think Alex was saying 'no' to me as much as to you. Most developers rarely appear (nor have spare time to read) freebsd-questions, and it was my cc that dragged him into this. If it has been discussed so many times (for the record, I have been subscribed to this list for two years and have never seen such a thread), then it shouldn't be too hard to post a link. And if the maintainer is too busy with other work to do that, then, as I said, don't reply and let someone else explain it. Be not too easily annoyed, to invoke the old Fidonet adage :) I've been subscribed to questions for over 12 years, and most of these discussions were much longer ago than two. I expect most such discussion would have been on ports@ and perhaps other lists many/most of us don't follow. Whether packages of just the module and the necessary updates to apache configuration to use it for each of 1.3, 2.0 and 2.2 are feasible, I don't know. I'd use one if it was there, but don't have the time nor skills necessary to make such ports myself, so I'll shutup now :) cheers, Ian___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sysinstall with Fixit option and RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot caused kernel panic on Vmware machine!
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Samba32 in jail (NetBIOS workgroup)
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Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200 C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws articulated: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Adapting MS-Windows print drivers is not 'practical' either. A windows print driver is embedd in the O/S KERNEL, with _system_ calls_ (not mere 'library' routines) that implement the 'device-dependant' rendering of layout/formating directions. One then takes the 'opaque object' so produced and sends it (via _another_ set of system calls) to the 'output' function of that same driver. Is that really so? How about writing some emulation shim like ndis(4) for winprinters? Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not a Windows systems programmer, but this is what I'm thinking about. As far as I understand Windows printing, there are two aspects to resolve, given a vendor supplied windriver binary blob: 1/ the windriver gets some (opaque) data from the GDI+ -- maybe a bitmap, with some meta data. 2/ the windriver interprets this data however it sees fit, and then talks to the NT kernel (maybe via DLL calls) to send electrical impulses to the printer. Now, the data formats of 1/ (GDI stuff) is probably well defined (and therefore published) in gdiplus.dll or something similar and is the same for all windriver blobs. The API/ABI needed to talk to the NT kernel is probably defined in the Windows DDK (or whatever it is called nowadays). So, in both cases, we have stable API/ABI interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blob: 1/, 2/ at the upper half, and 2/ at the bottom half. So, if we wanted to use those windriver blobs just like in the ndis(4) case, all we need is an emulation shim for both interfaces. Maybe 1/ is already covered by Wine (?) so we could borrow some code from there; and 2/ is basically a matter of mapping the subset of NT calls needed to read from and write to Windows ports to Unix calls to read and write to our Unix devices. Again, I'm no Windows programmer, and it is probably more involved than this. But the basic idea remains: the interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blobs is pretty stable and (I think) not a secret at all. In the Unix world, printing is handled _externally_ to the kernel. The application must have =its=own=means= of deciding what formatting/layout commands to use -- it _can't_ query the O/S for this info; the O/S simply doesn't have it. Well, it doesn't matter if the windriver shims run as userland daemon or (partially) inside the kernel. The point here is that the windriver - NT, and windriver - GDI+ interface are both stable and not difficult to understand, so both can be emulated. At least theoretically. In practice, it takes some time and effort to get it right, quite obviously. The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler. On a separate note, I have friends who claim that the Ubuntu printer installation routine is similar to the Window's one and works quite well for most mainstream printers. I read something a few months ago that Ubuntu was working on using Window's printer drivers directly in Ubuntu. I cannot confirm that; however, it would certainly be a worthwhile avenue to explore. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: wireless networking
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:12:45 -0500 William Kindler williamkind...@att.net articulated: -- I have 2 wireless adapter that I am able to use for my system. One is a usb device, a D-Link DWA130, and the other is a PCI device, a Netgear WN311T. I can find no information about Linux or UNIX support, or drivers for either, on your website or on the respective manufacturer's sites, nor can I find out what chipsets they are using. Are either of these devices supported with Free-BSD, or the PC-BSD? The first thing you want to determine is if they are N class adapters. They both appear to be so; therefore, you are pretty much SOL. FreeBSD does not readily support N protocol adapters unfortunately. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ He who despairs over an event is a coward, but he who holds hopes for the human condition is a fool. Albert Camus ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On 21.09.2010 13:37, Jerry wrote: The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler. Actually ... no. Unless you are talking about the keep HP happy by purchasing ink every week usb-printers. Personally, for bulk printing, and even more so for intermittent printing (the kind where ink dries up and gets tossed away when you use the printer once every blue moon), most users would save a _LOT_ of money by looking at a laser printer instead. Take a good look at Xerox'es Phaser line (used to be tektronix phaser). They're no longer pawn-your-firstborn expensive, they're reliable, and they basically speak every standard protocol on the market (including both Postscript and PCL). //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:16:16 +0200 Svein Skogen (Listmail account) svein-listm...@stillbilde.net articulated: On 21.09.2010 13:37, Jerry wrote: The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler. Actually ... no. Unless you are talking about the keep HP happy by purchasing ink every week usb-printers. Personally, for bulk printing, and even more so for intermittent printing (the kind where ink dries up and gets tossed away when you use the printer once every blue moon), most users would save a _LOT_ of money by looking at a laser printer instead. Take a good look at Xerox'es Phaser line (used to be tektronix phaser). They're no longer pawn-your-firstborn expensive, they're reliable, and they basically speak every standard protocol on the market (including both Postscript and PCL). 1) I was not referring specifically to HP 2) Personally, I have never had a printer connected via USB 3) I was referring to connecting a printer via a wireless connection, a very common occurrence and one I employ in my home. It is also becoming more common in business environments since it makes relocating a printer far simpler. The cheapest multi-function laser recommended by you is the Phaser 6128MFP, an obviously loss-loser. The next version is $1500. I can buy a lot of ink for that. I agree that a laser printer is fine for a business environment; however, it would be total over-kill, and a gross waste of money, to install one in my home. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ From 0 to what seems to be the problem officer in 8.3 seconds. Ad for the new VW Corrado signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Upgrading from 8.0-Release /
Dear all, I hope you can advise. According to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html once mergemaster is completed, I should issue freebsd-update install. However, when I do this, I get: # freebsd-update install No updates are available to install. Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first. However, I did fetch first. 128601287012880128901290012910129201293012940129501296012970 done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 440 files... done. Attempting to automatically merge changes in files... done. So I am not sure where to go from here. Should I try to fetch again, reboot or do something else? I am using FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p4 (GENERIC). Thank you! -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: apache22 and threads
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com wrote: Victor Sudakov wrote: [snip] [...] The prefork mpm without threads and mod_php is a safe bet for a server that will not be hitting the wall, traffic volume-wise. Yeah well php sucks in any case, for many reasons that are OT to this thread. Perl / mod_perl on the other hand can work quite well with mod_worker (threads) sharing many thing including all the non-mutable data, this is because Perl in general is thread safe. Using mod_worker with mod_perl can mean the difference between serving a few hundred simultaneous request to a few thousand, on the same exact hardware. Not all Perl modules are thread safe however, and in any case most thread implementations in Unix, including FreeBSD, are a potentially leaky by nature, but you can use the MaxRequestsPerChild directive (and others) to fine-tune the growing of your processes/threads. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:58:58 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:16:16 +0200 Svein Skogen (Listmail account) svein-listm...@stillbilde.net articulated: On 21.09.2010 13:37, Jerry wrote: The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler. Actually ... no. Unless you are talking about the keep HP happy by purchasing ink every week usb-printers. Personally, for bulk printing, and even more so for intermittent printing (the kind where ink dries up and gets tossed away when you use the printer once every blue moon), most users would save a _LOT_ of money by looking at a laser printer instead. Take a good look at Xerox'es Phaser line (used to be tektronix phaser). They're no longer pawn-your-firstborn expensive, they're reliable, and they basically speak every standard protocol on the market (including both Postscript and PCL). 1) I was not referring specifically to HP 2) Personally, I have never had a printer connected via USB 3) I was referring to connecting a printer via a wireless connection, a very common occurrence and one I employ in my home. It is also becoming more common in business environments since it makes relocating a printer far simpler. The cheapest multi-function laser recommended by you is the Phaser 6128MFP, an obviously loss-loser. The next version is $1500. I can buy a lot of ink for that. I agree that a laser printer is fine for a business environment; however, it would be total over-kill, and a gross waste of money, to install one in my home. A couple of years ago I got very tired of buying ink cartridges. I search and found the Samsung scx-4725fn for a very good price. Laser, network, all-in-one. It is not color but that was not a requirement for me. Just hook it up to the network and create a simple /etc/printcap and add the ip to /etc/hosts and away you go. A quick search shows it can still be purchased for under $300 US. http://computers.pricegrabber.com/printers/Samsung-SCX-4725FN-All-One/m34785285.html No CUPS needed. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Intel video Driver
Hi, I installed freebsd 8.1 (gnome) on a dell vostro 3300 (i5), but the screen resolution is 800x600, when the right is 1366x768, is there any driver for VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Thanks Jorge E. Espada ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading from 8.0-Release /
On 09/21/2010 03:05 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Dear all, I hope you can advise. According to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html once mergemaster is completed, I should issue freebsd-update install. However, when I do this, I get: # freebsd-update install No updates are available to install. Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first. However, I did fetch first. 128601287012880128901290012910129201293012940129501296012970 done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 440 files... done. Attempting to automatically merge changes in files... done. So I am not sure where to go from here. Should I try to fetch again, reboot or do something else? I am using FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p4 (GENERIC). Thank you! Sure you don't have a freebsd-update cron running which runs a the time just between executing freebsd-update -r 8.1-RELEASE + merging config files and executing freebsd-update install? I upgraded some boxes to 8.1 and did not see this problem. -- Systeembeheerder OverNite Software Europe BV Dr. Nolenslaan 157 6136 GM Sittard THE NETHERLANDS phone: +31464200933 fax: +31464200934 web: http://www.ose.nl DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading from 8.0-Release /
On 09/21/2010 05:01 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 09/21/2010 03:05 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Dear all, I hope you can advise. According to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html once mergemaster is completed, I should issue freebsd-update install. However, when I do this, I get: # freebsd-update install No updates are available to install. Run '/usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch' first. However, I did fetch first. 128601287012880128901290012910129201293012940129501296012970 done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 440 files... done. Attempting to automatically merge changes in files... done. So I am not sure where to go from here. Should I try to fetch again, reboot or do something else? I am using FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p4 (GENERIC). Thank you! Sure you don't have a freebsd-update cron running which runs a the time just between executing freebsd-update -r 8.1-RELEASE + merging config files and executing freebsd-update install? I upgraded some boxes to 8.1 and did not see this problem. Sorry, meant between 'freebsd-update -r 8.1-RELEASE upgrade' and 'freebsd-update install' DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Is that really so? How about writing some emulation shim like ndis(4) for winprinters? Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not a Windows systems programmer, but this is what I'm thinking about. One big problem is that Windows doesn't equal Windows. I had customers who intendedly bought some printer, then needed to switch to another Windows, and then found their printer useless as there was no specific driver available anymore. Creating compatibility layers for printer drivers that do not care about compatibility at all is like shooting a moving target. As I am not a Windows person, I could only imagine that this would be much more difficult than printer manufacturers (who sit at the source) agreeing to simply use an existing and documented standard. So, in both cases, we have stable API/ABI interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blob: 1/, 2/ at the upper half, and 2/ at the bottom half. I really doubt about a stable interface, or situations as described above wouldn't have happened. So, if we wanted to use those windriver blobs just like in the ndis(4) case, all we need is an emulation shim for both interfaces. Maybe 1/ is already covered by Wine (?) so we could borrow some code from there; and 2/ is basically a matter of mapping the subset of NT calls needed to read from and write to Windows ports to Unix calls to read and write to our Unix devices. Keep in mind there are stupid things in the world as patents, intelellectual property, licensing fees and copyrighted secret codes. At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linusi and Solaris and who knows what else), MICROS~1 would start violently screaming as someone is eating from their cake. Keep in mind that Winprinters are an important target platform for home users who PAY for Windows and PAY for a compatible printer. They pay once every two years or so. MICROS~1 and the printer manufacturers can't stand it if one uses their products too long, as long-term use does imply NO FURTHER SALES. And now imagine that a user can fully use all features of a formerly-Winprinter all-in-one ink pee copier scanner fax machine - where would be his need to buy a Windows to do that as he can now use FreeBSD for free? Of course, this consideration is very far away from any technical understanding - as typical for lawpersons who make money from bullshit. :-) But the basic idea remains: the interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blobs is pretty stable and (I think) not a secret at all. In that case, I would ask myself: Why hasn't it been done already? If your assumption was right, it would already work. As it currently does not work, I would check your assumption. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:58:58 -0400, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: The cheapest multi-function laser recommended by you is the Phaser 6128MFP, an obviously loss-loser. The next version is $1500. I can buy a lot of ink for that. I agree that a laser printer is fine for a business environment; however, it would be total over-kill, and a gross waste of money, to install one in my home. This depends on what you're printing at home. If you mostly use it for B/W text and graphics, buying a used (!) office-class laser printer is cheaper than buying some ink-pee home consumer device. Keep in mind that you can *not use* the laser printer for some time without problems, but if you *not use* an ink-pee printer for some time, it will dry out the ink and maybe damage the printing heads (if separate), or even let the ink flow through the printer. I have seen that already - very unpleasant. Instead, office-class laser printers are more efficient in use of good refurbished toner cartridges. I'm using a HP Laserjet 4 for example as a copying center (low-end computer, parallel scanner, parallel printer). The last time I bought a toner cartridge was in 2004, and right now, it's starting to fade. I'm using this system VERY often. The printer itself is more than 15 years in my hands now, and I HEAVILY used it. You simply can't break good printers. But if you require photo-printing, maybe on specific papers, or you need a device for making colored copies, using a typical home consumer device is often the better solution. When I need digital photos printed out, I take the data to the drugstore as they can do much better (and water-resistant!) than ink-pee. A TODAY's office-class laser printer surely looks like overkill for a home setting, I agree here. But keep in mind used ones are also good - IF they are good. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:37:22 -0400, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: The bottom line is that installing and running a printer on a Window's machine is usually far easier than on a *nix variation. Even sharing a printer on a network in a Windows environment is simpler. But much more expensive, and especially if we're talking networked settings, more complicated to manage (think about offices for example), which makes it more expensive again (support). Additionally, using ink-pee printers in office settings usually is considered a no-go, as it is very unprofessional, inefficient, and did I mention it? Expensive. :-) On a separate note, I have friends who claim that the Ubuntu printer installation routine is similar to the Window's one and works quite well for most mainstream printers. I read something a few months ago that Ubuntu was working on using Window's printer drivers directly in Ubuntu. I cannot confirm that; however, it would certainly be a worthwhile avenue to explore. That sounds interesting. Users coming from a Windows background could then easily put in the printer CD (if they didn't throw it away already) and install drivers. Of course, that's not how UNIX does things - here, all the things you need to interact with hardware are provided by the OS ideally, or by packages you can install if needed - with less forced inter- action. But that's reality, not a happy UNIX dreamland where you would just plug in the printer and let the kernel and userland deamons make it available for printing and scanning immediately. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:16:21 -0700, Robert travelin...@cox.net wrote: A couple of years ago I got very tired of buying ink cartridges. I search and found the Samsung scx-4725fn for a very good price. Laser, network, all-in-one. It is not color but that was not a requirement for me. Just hook it up to the network and create a simple /etc/printcap and add the ip to /etc/hosts and away you go. So THAT's what I call handling it easily. As the printer (!!!) does take care of the most things, it's easy to install it as everything you need is to make it known to your network and write a line into /etc/printcap. The HP Laserjet 4000 duplex I have at home (yes, it's true) also has a built-in printer server, so programs like lpq and lprm can query the printer queue INSIDE THE PRINTER. That's a very nice feature for office settings as there is no need to buy a PC and a Windows to make a printer server. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysinstall with Fixit option and RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot caused kernel panic on Vmware machine!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/09/2010, at 7:29 PM, Phan Quoc Hien wrote: Hi everyone! I followed tut at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/ to install FreeBSD Root on ZFS using GPT on my VMWARE virtual machine. When I go to step Install FreeBSD to zroot kernel-panic appeared! It sounds like you are either low on ram, or are using i386. Look at http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide and follow the steps here in the loader prompt on the live system, and also add the same options to your loader.conf when you install the system. My virtual machine detail: RAM: 512MB HDD: 10GB vmware workstation: 7.1.0 build-261024 with FreeBSD 8.1-REL! See more detail about panic on image attached file. Please let me know how to solve this problem. Best regards, Mr.Hien Hope this helps you. I think buwping the amount of ram in your VM wouldnt hurt either, ZFS really needs 1GB minimum, 2GB or more is preferred iirc. -- Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquoch...@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org William Brown pgp.mit.edu -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJMmN1FAAoJEHF16AnLoz6JYiMP/3xU6a3pd90kEsWIOgaWfQZ5 ff0tCYdMoMTmIZ9zgB7u7/YA7kIEp4o7zM8MbYPRt8OcC+9oWQBjbCvVeKXLEOil 6faRrYR3CxBSa1CIUxTsfPS3OR3rOB8GlTMJObW/UrOPonVgpyD6RMW/J3wMbme9 pN0V2xOSwOv9rgdFWwHgAOT4eBpzmFeOAbLERFMcv3sUm2l1k56IUpgEDQNoHVPY wp8Cxsl8QClP5bTpl2iSXvt0krCvo16HA64G4I1Bm6FSAY/aP45L5zouABHyHyIT RCZjTzCaaWHHXvwErAdQfx6oBFuyAxzwgb1ZRdYMDoFHs1swJd3D0pWIYcjQ9ILz 3AR1YFY5t1SE+kP03Fssoz/HNpq2lO3IgjJsg/T8bsMEbb2/6zJlCKF5wAsMZHdY 1kj+75IsZ+phbzaPrpdL8kjfTWBP1De3WWH7sN85wGAw2c1mQCFLg9bsC2Ahxe1V S/kRWwKDoJPvBaEEdo5LM7CLfoneXOR3taa3mqLvgkWAwyTG0iEtwwxhxMMFSmpp InMWYplq/zu4au27+ujW+f6Mj3GhpSzaMNAfGkGdpsn4D4muBWgrLt04nSxuvjX6 K3ZoGAMlnH9rOLwZLvu2uaxKGZnyf/TYndgPQtpNm3iq7liXoSYnNl3B4NeNjI7j l5wz40a62K6b2J/G/cIa =6/hT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
man.cgi
Hello, I am making an online man, and I would like to know where could I find the man.cgi script, in order to use it. Could you help me to find it ? Regards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: man.cgi
Ben GUILLER freax.g...@gmail.com writes: I am making an online man, and I would like to know where could I find the man.cgi script, in order to use it. Could you help me to find it ? Try: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/www/en/cgi/man.cgi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
portsnap2.freebsd.org corrupt files
portsnap fetch Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap2.freebsd.org... done. Fetching snapshot metadata... done. Updating from Mon Sep 20 21:17:39 EDT 2010 to Tue Sep 21 10:05:03 EDT 2010. Fetching 1 metadata patches. done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... gunzip: (stdin): unexpected end of file metadata is corrupt. If I change the server to portsnap1.freebsd.org it goes through without errors. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading from 8.0-Release /
Hello, Sure you don't have a freebsd-update cron running which runs a the time just between executing freebsd-update -r 8.1-RELEASE + merging config files and executing freebsd-update install? I upgraded some boxes to 8.1 and did not see this problem. No. Nothing automated. That's why I am surprised and not sure what to do next. Do you think I should try to invoke the upgrade (-r 8.1-RELEASE upgrade) command again? -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Media Packages Vs. Ports
Hi all, I am performing PXE boots and automated installs of FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE with a custom sysinstall.cfg file which identifies packages that are to be installed in addition to the distributions. We have need to install compat6x-amd64 and I'd like to have this done during install. Unfortunately, it does not appear that this package exists in the FreeBSD media from which the install occurs. However, it is available through the ports collection. What is the relationship between the packages directory on the media and the ports collection? Is there a process that identifies what ports are made available in the packages directory of the media? Is it possible to take a port, make a package of it and put it in the packages directory of my own media? --Rick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: Is that really so? How about writing some emulation shim like ndis(4) for winprinters? Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not a Windows systems programmer, but this is what I'm thinking about. One big problem is that Windows doesn't equal Windows. I had customers who intendedly bought some printer, then needed to switch to another Windows, and then found their printer useless as there was no specific driver available anymore. Creating compatibility layers for printer drivers that do not care about compatibility at all is like shooting a moving target. As I am not a Windows person, I could only imagine that this would be much more difficult than printer manufacturers (who sit at the source) agreeing to simply use an existing and documented standard. So I assume that the binary blobs of those winprinters are different for different versions of Windows. So there would be two (or three?) set of interfaces to emulate instead of just one. So, in both cases, we have stable API/ABI interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blob: 1/, 2/ at the upper half, and 2/ at the bottom half. I really doubt about a stable interface, or situations as described above wouldn't have happened. The stable interface is likely tied to one specific Windows release: say, one for XP and one for Windows 7. Since most winprinters are supposed to (still) run on XP, they come with an XP windriver blob, and that's all what matters w.r.t. interface stability. So, if we wanted to use those windriver blobs just like in the ndis(4) case, all we need is an emulation shim for both interfaces. Maybe 1/ is already covered by Wine (?) so we could borrow some code from there; and 2/ is basically a matter of mapping the subset of NT calls needed to read from and write to Windows ports to Unix calls to read and write to our Unix devices. Keep in mind there are stupid things in the world as patents, intelellectual property, licensing fees and copyrighted secret codes. Yes, that's indeed the real problem. A legal, not a technical one. At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linusi and Solaris and who knows what else), MICROS~1 would start violently screaming as someone is eating from their cake. Keep in mind that Winprinters are an important target platform for home users who PAY for Windows and PAY for a compatible printer. They pay once every two years or so. MICROS~1 and the printer manufacturers can't stand it if one uses their products too long, as long-term use does imply NO FURTHER SALES. And now imagine that a user can fully use all features of a formerly-Winprinter all-in-one ink pee copier scanner fax machine - where would be his need to buy a Windows to do that as he can now use FreeBSD for free? As far as I understand this, Microsoft doesn't manufacture those winprinters, so why would they screem if those printers were able to run on other platform too? You can even see it the other way: for every winprinter manufactured (or, more precisely, for every windriver sold), Microsoft may get a fixed share due to patent royalties from the manufacturer. So, suppose a manufacturer sells more of his winprinters to BSD/Linux/Solaris/... folks because we had this shim, it would translate to more patent royalties to Microsoft too. So it is in Microsoft's interest not only NOT to kick and scream, but actually to encourage those winprinters by publishing the needed interfaces. It can only increase sales, and they will get more kickbacks from those additional sales. Of course, this consideration is very far away from any technical understanding - as typical for lawpersons who make money from bullshit. :-) That's for sure. ;-) But the basic idea remains: the interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blobs is pretty stable and (I think) not a secret at all. In that case, I would ask myself: Why hasn't it been done already? If your assumption was right, it would already work. As it currently does not work, I would check your assumption. :-) I don't know why it hasn't been done up to now. After all, this is nothing but an exercise in mapping one set of interfaces onto another set of interfaces. We've done this kind of interface matching with with the Linuxulator, NDIS is another good example, and the Wine guys are doing a great job too. I fail to see a compelling TECHNICAL reason why Windows drivers in general (and windrivers in particular) couldn't be docked to Unix systems. Of course, legal reasons are a different matter. Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's
Re: man.cgi
Thank you very much, that was what I was looking for. 2010/9/21 Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org Ben GUILLER freax.g...@gmail.com writes: I am making an online man, and I would like to know where could I find the man.cgi script, in order to use it. Could you help me to find it ? Try: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/www/en/cgi/man.cgi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linusi and Solaris and who knows what else), MICROS~1 would start violently screaming as someone is eating from their cake. Keep in mind that Winprinters are an important target platform for home users who PAY for Windows and PAY for a compatible printer. They pay once every two years or so. MICROS~1 and the printer manufacturers can't stand it if one uses their products too long, as long-term use does imply NO FURTHER SALES. And now imagine that a user can fully use all features of a formerly-Winprinter all-in-one ink pee copier scanner fax machine - where would be his need to buy a Windows to do that as he can now use FreeBSD for free? As far as I understand this, Microsoft doesn't manufacture those winprinters, so why would they screem if those printers were able to run on other platform too? Very simple: Whenever you are using FreeBSD (or any other operating system that is not Windows), you are NOT using Windows. MICROS~1's monopoly is based upon three pillars: Mind share, usage share, and in conclusion, market share. That again is what matters to printer manufacturers, as they are told the secret keys about how to make their printer work on Windows. You can even see it the other way: for every winprinter manufactured (or, more precisely, for every windriver sold), Microsoft may get a fixed share due to patent royalties from the manufacturer. So, suppose a manufacturer sells more of his winprinters to BSD/Linux/Solaris/... folks because we had this shim, it would translate to more patent royalties to Microsoft too. That's not logical as the package, the shiny box on the shelf that the customer wants, already contains a CD (or today, a DVD) with drivers for Windows, as this is the PC, and there's nothing else. Users of non-Windows operating systems are a niche market that does not persist in the scope of manufacturers. They are happy selling more and more cheap units (than fewer more expensive units). For them and for MICROS~1 it's a win-win situation, as the customer always pays. So it is in Microsoft's interest not only NOT to kick and scream, but actually to encourage those winprinters by publishing the needed interfaces. It can only increase sales, and they will get more kickbacks from those additional sales. Insignificant amounts, does not pay. The MICROS~1 concept of software ecosystems does not tolerate anything different. Keep in mind the three pillars mentioned before - they would be in danger. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: man.cgi
Lowell == Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org writes: Lowell http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/www/en/cgi/man.cgi Wow. *Ancient* Perl code. I should contribute a rewrite to modern Perl. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Intel video Driver
Quoth jorge espada on Tuesday, 21 September 2010: Hi, I installed freebsd 8.1 (gnome) on a dell vostro 3300 (i5), but the screen resolution is 800x600, when the right is 1366x768, is there any driver for VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Thanks Jorge E. Espada ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Can you post the output of pciconf -lv I think you may be waiting for the same update to xf86-video-intel that I am. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpnkdhrZEzOY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:47:27 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linusi and Solaris and who knows what else), MICROS~1 would start violently screaming as someone is eating from their cake. Keep in mind that Winprinters are an important target platform for home users who PAY for Windows and PAY for a compatible printer. They pay once every two years or so. MICROS~1 and the printer manufacturers can't stand it if one uses their products too long, as long-term use does imply NO FURTHER SALES. And now imagine that a user can fully use all features of a formerly-Winprinter all-in-one ink pee copier scanner fax machine - where would be his need to buy a Windows to do that as he can now use FreeBSD for free? As far as I understand this, Microsoft doesn't manufacture those winprinters, so why would they screem if those printers were able to run on other platform too? Very simple: Whenever you are using FreeBSD (or any other operating system that is not Windows), you are NOT using Windows. MICROS~1's monopoly is based upon three pillars: Mind share, usage share, and in conclusion, market share. That again is what matters to printer manufacturers, as they are told the secret keys about how to make their printer work on Windows. There is no secret key mindset involved. Peruse the MSDN and and you will find tons of documentation on designing and writing drivers for virtually anything you can imagine that is currently available on the Window's platform. It is to Microsoft's advantage to have as many products as possible operational on their platform. They even have specialized forums to answer technical questions regard driver development. You can even see it the other way: for every winprinter manufactured (or, more precisely, for every windriver sold), Microsoft may get a fixed share due to patent royalties from the manufacturer. So, suppose a manufacturer sells more of his winprinters to BSD/Linux/Solaris/... folks because we had this shim, it would translate to more patent royalties to Microsoft too. I have not been able to locate any documentation that that would substantiate your claim that Microsoft receives any reimbursement/compensation from device manufacturers. Would you please post the source of your claim. That's not logical as the package, the shiny box on the shelf that the customer wants, already contains a CD (or today, a DVD) with drivers for Windows, as this is the PC, and there's nothing else. Users of non-Windows operating systems are a niche market that does not persist in the scope of manufacturers. They are happy selling more and more cheap units (than fewer more expensive units). For them and for MICROS~1 it's a win-win situation, as the customer always pays. Printer manufacturers, or manufacturers of other devices for that matter, sell what the public wants. The public in general wants inexpensive printers. I can guarantee you that if there were no market for it, it would not be offered. I know several users with $50 printers that are used only a few time a month or less. Purchasing a more expensive unit would not be cost effective. Everyone does not need a $2000+ laser printer. Manufacturers are smart enough to fill that niche. So it is in Microsoft's interest not only NOT to kick and scream, but actually to encourage those winprinters by publishing the needed interfaces. It can only increase sales, and they will get more kickbacks from those additional sales. Insignificant amounts, does not pay. The MICROS~1 concept of software ecosystems does not tolerate anything different. Keep in mind the three pillars mentioned before - they would be in danger. Keep in mind that you have failed to produce one shred of documentation to back up your claim of kickbacks. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:47:27 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linusi and Solaris and who knows what else), MICROS~1 would start violently screaming as someone is eating from their cake. Keep in mind that Winprinters are an important target platform for home users who PAY for Windows and PAY for a compatible printer. They pay once every two years or so. MICROS~1 and the printer manufacturers can't stand it if one uses their products too long, as long-term use does imply NO FURTHER SALES. And now imagine that a user can fully use all features of a formerly-Winprinter all-in-one ink pee copier scanner fax machine - where would be his need to buy a Windows to do that as he can now use FreeBSD for free? As far as I understand this, Microsoft doesn't manufacture those winprinters, so why would they screem if those printers were able to run on other platform too? Very simple: Whenever you are using FreeBSD (or any other operating system that is not Windows), you are NOT using Windows. MICROS~1's monopoly is based upon three pillars: Mind share, usage share, and in conclusion, market share. That again is what matters to printer manufacturers, as they are told the secret keys about how to make their printer work on Windows. There is no secret key mindset involved. Peruse the MSDN and and you will find tons of documentation on designing and writing drivers for virtually anything you can imagine that is currently available on the Window's platform. It is to Microsoft's advantage to have as many products as possible operational on their platform. They even have specialized forums to answer technical questions regard driver development. That's exactly my point. Their interfaces are NOT closed or secret, and we could (technically) implement against those interfaces. You can even see it the other way: for every winprinter manufactured (or, more precisely, for every windriver sold), Microsoft may get a fixed share due to patent royalties from the manufacturer. So, suppose a manufacturer sells more of his winprinters to BSD/Linux/Solaris/... folks because we had this shim, it would translate to more patent royalties to Microsoft too. I have not been able to locate any documentation that that would substantiate your claim that Microsoft receives any reimbursement/compensation from device manufacturers. Would you please post the source of your claim. I wrote Microsoft *may* get a fixed share ..., not Microsoft gets a fixed share... That's an assumption, but probably a safe one, due to the way software patents work. Maybe they get paid, or maybe not: it's their decision. Details may (or may not) be included in the Windows DDK EULAs and associated documents. That's not logical as the package, the shiny box on the shelf that the customer wants, already contains a CD (or today, a DVD) with drivers for Windows, as this is the PC, and there's nothing else. Users of non-Windows operating systems are a niche market that does not persist in the scope of manufacturers. They are happy selling more and more cheap units (than fewer more expensive units). For them and for MICROS~1 it's a win-win situation, as the customer always pays. Printer manufacturers, or manufacturers of other devices for that matter, sell what the public wants. The public in general wants inexpensive printers. I can guarantee you that if there were no market for it, it would not be offered. I know several users with $50 printers that are used only a few time a month or less. Purchasing a more expensive unit would not be cost effective. Everyone does not need a $2000+ laser printer. Manufacturers are smart enough to fill that niche. The whole point of winprinters, winmodems etc... is to cut costs for manufacturers. They save (little) money in silicon, and compensate by providing a software Ersatz. There's no Microsoft conspiracy there. It's just unfortunate that we have not yet emulated the environment those software drivers expect, that's all. At least for i386 (and maybe amd64), that should be possible. On ARM, SPARC and other platforms, emulation would be a LOT more difficult, as we would need to hook in a i386 CPU interpreter as well... ;-) So it is in Microsoft's interest not only NOT to kick and scream, but actually to encourage those winprinters by publishing the needed interfaces. It can only increase sales, and they will get more kickbacks from those additional sales. Insignificant amounts, does not pay. The MICROS~1 concept of software ecosystems does not tolerate anything different. Keep in mind the three pillars mentioned
printcap
Can somebody point me to some information about what to write into /etc/printcap on a FreeBSD machine for a Laserjet that is connected though CUPS on an OpenSolaris server? Linux/Windows computers automatically see this printer because it is broadcasted, but my FreeBSD computers do not and I would like to be able to print from those machines too. Hope to get some help. Dick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 8.1 Squid suggestions?
Hi folks, I have a small group of people in my office (less than 20), and I want to set up a FBSD/Squid server, and I'm hoping someone might have some suggestions for the install. It's a clean install of FBSD 8.1, and the sole purpose of the server is a Squid server. The server has a 500Gb SATA hard drive, and 8Gb of RAM. I've installed Squid before (on an OpenBSD server), so I'm a comfortable with Squid. I'll install from a package (to make my life easy), but I'm not sure if there are any FBSD specific changes I should make? Are there any kernel customizations you might recommend I need? Are there any suggestions you might make to improve performance? Suggestions? Thank you, Ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Media Packages Vs. Ports
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:41 AM, vrwmil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am performing PXE boots and automated installs of FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE with a custom sysinstall.cfg file which identifies packages that are to be installed in addition to the distributions. We have need to install compat6x-amd64 and I'd like to have this done during install. Unfortunately, it does not appear that this package exists in the FreeBSD media from which the install occurs. However, it is available through the ports collection. You'll probably want to do something like this: http://bsdbased.com/2010/03/23/freebsd-binary-package-repository-howto FWIW, that's not the end all, be all to setting up your own package repository just a reasonably simple method. What is the relationship between the packages directory on the media and the ports collection? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/packages-using.html Packages associated with a RELEASE also ultimately come from the ports tree. However, those RELEASE packages come from a ports tree that was put into slush, then frozen. This means those packages had more testing and tweaking. Is it possible to take a port, make a package of it and put it in the packages directory of my own media? Sure it's easy. When build a port you can issue a make package command, or you can use pkg_create to create packages from installed ported. A common approach to this is build all your updates in a jail, make packages of them, then delete package from the host and install the newly built ones from the jail. Very small, if any downtime. You can use the jail to create pkg's for a custom repository too. http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg228757.html -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Software to SEND log files only?
According to the FreeBSD website (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/outgoing-only.html), the easiest way to send mail only is to install the mail/ssmtp port. Does anyone have an example of a script or other method (maybe a cron script?) that would e-mail my log files to me daily? Thank you, Ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: printcap
Dick, I'm not sure if this will help you, but here's what I did on my network to print directly to an HP LaserJet on my LAN. Pick a name (and a few convenient aliases) for the printer, and put them in the /etc/printcap file. hp|officehp:\ :sh:\ :rm=192.168.1.50:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/officehp:\ :mx#0:\ :lf=/var/log/officehp:\ :if=/usr/local/libexec/if-simple: hp and officehp - what I have named my printer (two names) sh- disables a banner from printing rm - I.P. address of the remote printer sd- my spool directory mx- max file size (o=unlimited) lf- error file if- input filter # mkdir /var/spool/lpd/officehp # touch /var/log/officehp # chown daemon:daemon /var/spool/lpd/officehp # chmod 770 /var/spool/lpd/officehp # touch /usr/local/libexec/if-simple # vi /usr/local/libexec/if-simple #!/bin/sh # # if-simple - Simple text input filter for lpd # Installed in /usr/local/libexec/if-simple # # Simply copies stdin to stdout. Ignores all filter arguments. /bin/cat exit 0 exit 2 Now make the file executable: # chmod 555 /usr/local/libexec/if-simple Note: A copy of the if-simple script can be found in the /usr/share/examples/printing directory. Let's try and print! lpd is run from /etc/rc, controlled by the lpd_enable variable. This variable defaults to NO. If you have not done so already, add the line: lpd_enable=YES to /etc/rc.conf, and then either restart your machine, or just run lpd # lpd lptest 20 20 | lpr -Pofficehp Ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software to SEND log files only?
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Ed Flecko edfle...@gmail.com wrote: According to the FreeBSD website (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/outgoing-only.html), the easiest way to send mail only is to install the mail/ssmtp port. Does anyone have an example of a script or other method (maybe a cron script?) that would e-mail my log files to me daily? That's pretty silly article if you ask me, sendmail is setup to that by default. just add something like this to cron: uuencode /path/to/logfile logfile | mail -s logfile yourem...@example.com -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software to SEND log files only?
-- Original Message -- From: Ed Flecko edfle...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:56:13 -0700 According to the FreeBSD website (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/outgoing-only.html), the easiest way to send mail only is to install the mail/ssmtp port. Does anyone have an example of a script or other method (maybe a cron script?) that would e-mail my log files to me daily? log files can be (too) huge as smtp DATA. I zip mine and use the mpack port to send the .zip file as MIME attachment. Len ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.1 Squid suggestions?
Thanks Dennis! These are config options you've changed within the squid.conf file??? Can you give me some specifics as to what you changed and why you changed it? Thank you, Ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
I once used an inkjet printer and almost went broke keeping it fed with ink. I found a refurbished Brother HL-2040 Laser printer at Tiger Direct for $89. It's been running now for almost 3 years and I'm only on my second toner cartridge. To be honest, we're all on a big paperless effort and I rarely print anything these days. With PDF files and new software like Bluebeam Revu I just don't have the need to print much. But since I occassionally do print and the kids need it from time to time for school I have my laser setup on a FreeBSD server which serves all segments in my LAN, including the separate wireless LAN for laptops. CUPS is installed on my server as a dependency for other apps but I don't use it to print. I used to run it with a parallel cable but when I updated my server I had to switch to the USB port on the printer. And I just use simple LPR printing from the windows clients. Now I won't say it was that easy but once it was up and running it's hands free. The FreeBSD server uses ghostscript and a simple filter file which envokes gs. The /etc/printcap file is very simple too. I set the windows clients up to use a postscript printer driver to send the files to the server which it then processes and prints. All is well and I never have any trouble with it. One day soon I will have to purchase another toner cartridge but those are available at several sources. Don't be intimidated by printing under FreeBSD. It's really quite simple unless you're trying to use one of those WinPrinters which will only run with M$. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
I think conspiracy theories miss the point. The reason more printers work on Windows than on FreeBSD is if you don't support Windows, you can't sell printers to 92% of computer users. This is an extremely powerful incentive to spend money on writing Windows drivers. The financial incentive is not really there to spend time writing drivers for FreeBSD. There just aren't enough FreeBSD users who will buy your printer to pay for it. It's simple market economics, unfortunately. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
From cpgh...@cordula.ws Mon Sep 20 19:40:36 2010 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200 Subject: Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com w= rote: Adapting =A0MS-Windows print drivers is not 'practical' either. =A0A wi= ndows print driver is embedd in the O/S KERNEL, =A0with _system_ calls_ (not mere 'library' routines) that implement the 'device-dependant' rendering of layout/formating directions. =A0One then takes the 'opaque object' so produced and sends it (via _another_ set of system calls) to the 'output' function of that same driver. Is that really so? How about writing some emulation shim like ndis(4) for winprinters? Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not a Windows systems programmer, but this is what I'm thinking about. As far as I understand Windows printing, there are two aspects to resolve, given a vendor supplied windriver binary blob: 1/ the windriver gets some (opaque) data from the GDI+ -- maybe a bitmap, with some meta data. 2/ the windriver interprets this data however it sees fit, and then talks t= o the NT kernel (maybe via DLL calls) to send electrical impulses to the printer. If only it _were_ sometine even approaching that simple! Unfortunately, it *isn't*. *IF* UNIX applications produced their output in the form of gdi calls, the approach you descibe _would_ be viable. But they don't. And therein lies all the complications. UNIX applications are almost entirely self-contained with regard to printing, A postscript producting app can make use of a printer-specific 'hints' file that provides 'standardized' means of accessing printer features for which 'implementation details' are left up to the manufacurer -- e.g. paper source tray 'numbering'; do trays start rom zero or one? are they numbered consecutively? and which is which? (just for starter :) Windows passes -individual- objects to the printer driver, which may return a 'rendered' vesion _to_ Windows, which windoes ten merges with otheer rendered objects to produce next phase of the page which eventually goes through the driver a final time, and that bitstring is sent to the hardware. If one has an application that doesn't work that way, and autonomously produces an output data stream of 'some' form, there is a *MAJOR* hurdle in 'reverse engineering' that data stream back to 'objects' that can be fed to the Windows prinding model. as the manufacturer's printer driver expects. If that isn't bad enough, there is no guarantee the the exact steps and sequences of operations that wee used to _produce_that data-strem, even _HAVE_ a direct equivalent inthe Windows printing model. (Heck this problem shows up _witin_ windows with different supported printers, thats _why_ the applicationi has to adjust _its_ output logic to adapt to the way the paritcular printer does things.o When you're 'reverse engineering' from a set of concrete details to a set of abstractions, *what*do*you*do* when you have a sequence of 'details' that doesn't match _any_ of the possible abstractions in the target environment? Begin to get the idea? Devloping the kind of 'shimp' you envision would be a significantly larger, harder, and more time-consuming project than the development of Ghostscript. and by the time the reqired team of engineers got through the years of work involved, the chances are -very- good that nobody would be making 'that kind' of printer driver any more. '95 drivers are not usablewith XP, XP drivers are not compatible With Vista, Vista - Windows 7, I'm not sure about.` ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
From cpgh...@cordula.ws Tue Sep 21 12:34:21 2010 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:36:00 +0200 Subject: Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws To: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Cc: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:42:22 +0200, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: Keep in mind there are stupid things in the world as patents, intelellectual property, licensing fees and copyrighted secret codes. Yes, that's indeed the real problem. A legal, not a technical one. At the moment there was a program (or any other kind of facility) that makes Winprinters accessible by *ANY* OS (not only FreeBSD, but maybe all BSDs and Linusi and Solaris and who knows what else), MICROS~1 would start violently screaming as someone is eating from their cake. Keep in mind that Winprinters are an important target platform for home users who PAY for Windows and PAY for a compatible printer. They pay once every two years or so. MICROS~1 and the printer manufacturers can't stand it if one uses their products too long, as long-term use does imply NO FURTHER SALES. And now imagine that a user can fully use all features of a formerly-Winprinter all-in-one ink pee copier scanner fax machine - where would be his need to buy a Windows to do that as he can now use FreeBSD for free? As far as I understand this, Microsoft doesn't manufacture those winprinters, so why would they screem if those printers were able to run on other platform too? A) *THEY* developed the interface specifications. They license printer manufacurers to build to it. They _would_ obejct if somebody used their technology to compete against them. B) As it is, to _use_ one of those printers, you *HAVE*TO*BY* a MS O/S. if one could use those printers -without- a MS O/S, that is a 'provable' loss in MS O/S sales -- one sales loss for -each- non-MS system that has such a printer attached. You can even see it the other way: for every winprinter manufactured (or, more precisely, for every windriver sold), Microsoft may get a fixed share due to patent royalties from the manufacturer. So, suppose a manufacturer sells more of his winprinters to BSD/Linux/Solaris/... folks because we had this shim, it would translate to more patent royalties to Microsoft too. So it is in Microsoft's interest not only NOT to kick and scream, but actually to encourage those winprinters by publishing the needed interfaces. It can only increase sales, and they will get more kickbacks from those additional sales. Of course, this consideration is very far away from any technical understanding - as typical for lawpersons who make money from bullshit. :-) That's for sure. ;-) But the basic idea remains: the interfaces on both sides of the windriver binary blobs is pretty stable and (I think) not a secret at all. In that case, I would ask myself: Why hasn't it been done already? If your assumption was right, it would already work. As it currently does not work, I would check your assumption. :-) I don't know why it hasn't been done up to now. After all, this is nothing but an exercise in mapping one set of interfaces onto another set of interfaces. We've done this kind of interface matching with with the Linuxulator, NDIS is another good example, and the Wine guys are doing a great job too. I fail to see a compelling TECHNICAL reason why Windows drivers in general (and windrivers in particular) couldn't be docked to Unix systems. Of course, legal reasons are a different matter. Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: man.cgi
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Lowell == Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org writes: Lowell http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/www/en/cgi/man.cgi Wow. *Ancient* Perl code. I should contribute a rewrite to modern Perl. Careful--it's like eating potato chips. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software to SEND log files only?
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:56:13 -0700
From: Ed Flecko edfle...@gmail.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Software to SEND log files only?
According to the FreeBSD website
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/outgoing-only.html), the easiest
way to send mail only is to install the mail/ssmtp port.
Does anyone have an example of a script or other method (maybe a cron
script?) that would e-mail my log files to me daily?
'mailing a file' is as simple as mail -s {subject} {addressee} file
multiple files: cat file1 file3 file2 |mail {adressee}
the FM will provide other swiches that may be useful.
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Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: In that case, I would ask myself: Why hasn't it been done already? If your assumption was right, it would already work. As it currently does not work, I would check your assumption. :-) I don't know why it hasn't been done up to now. After all, this is nothing but an exercise in mapping one set of interfaces onto another set of interfaces. We've done this kind of interface matching with with the Linuxulator, NDIS is another good example, and the Wine guys are doing a great job too. I fail to see a compelling TECHNICAL reason why Windows drivers in general (and windrivers in particular) couldn't be docked to Unix systems. Of course, legal reasons are a different matter. Technically possible. The brute-force method would be to run a VM with Windows and the real driver, then just capture input and output. Sure it's tricky, but those are just details. But look at this another way: It's a difficult and demanding programming job, with lots of details that have to be just right, may or may not be easy to find without reverse engineering, and an ongoing support headache that will never end. Kind of like Gutenprint; I wonder if they have a perspective on it. What all this effort achieves is support for the most cost-reduced, bottom-of-the-line printers from every manufacturer. It's probably more effective to put some emphasis in the Handbook on the problems with host-based printers (the polite euphemism for Winprinter). The issue is confused by printers that aren't host-based, but use proprietary PDLs. If someone comes up with a working GDI printer emulation layer, that would make a great port. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: printcap
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: Can somebody point me to some information about what to write into /etc/printcap on a FreeBSD machine for a Laserjet that is connected though CUPS on an OpenSolaris server? It's not clear how that printer is connected. If it's on the network itself, you should be able to send jobs directly to it. If the printer is connected by USB or something else to the server, CUPS might still accept jobs from lpr. (Untested, but it's a print server, after all.) Network printing from printcap (among other things) is shown here: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html Well, and in the Handbook, too. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
回复： freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 329, Issue 2
原信息 主题： freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 329, Issue 2 发件人： freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org 日期： 2010/09/21 14:22 Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org You can reach the person managing the list at freebsd-questions-ow...@freebsd.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of freebsd-questions digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer (per...@pluto.rain.com) 2. Re: apache22 and threads (Michael Powell) 3. dnsmasq, mfsBSD, status refused (Samuel Mart?n Moro) 4. Re: TCP Logs Why Connection attempt to closed port (Daniel Bye) 5. Re: why is the PHP stuff line off by default in ports/lang/php5? (d...@safeport.com) 6. Re: Problem running custom startup script at proper time (Robert Bonomi) 7. Re: why is the PHP stuff line off by default in ports/lang/php5? (Michael Powell) 8. Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer (Robert Bonomi) 9. Re: Problems with upgrade - lost partition (Lokadamus) 10. RSS to email? (Chris Maness) 11. Re: RSS to email? (Glen Barber) 12. Re: RSS to email? (Chip Camden) 13. Re: RSS to email? (Glen Barber) 14. Re: why is the PHP stuff line off by default in ports/lang/php5? (Rob Farmer) 15. Re: RSS to email? (Michelle Konzack) 16. Re: why is the PHP stuff line off by default in ports/lang/php5? (Matthew Seaman) 17. Re: extra open ports in rkhunter (Carl Johnson) 18. Re: make buildkernel pre-build too long (Alexander Best) 19. Re: Problem running custom startup script at proper time (Aaron) 20. Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer (C. P. Ghost) 21. Zip file making issues (Ryan Coleman) 22. Re: Zip file making issues (Matt Emmerton) 23. Re: Zip file making issues (Ryan Coleman) 24. wireless networking (William Kindler) 25. Re: Zip file making issues (Michael Ross) 26. Re: Zip file making issues (Ryan Coleman) 27. Re: Zip file making issues (Matthew Seaman) 28. Re: Zip file making issues (Ryan Coleman) 29. Re: make buildkernel pre-build too long (David DEMELIER) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:20:52 -0700 From: per...@pluto.rain.com Subject: Re: The nightmarish problem of installing a printer To: free...@insightbb.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4c9751a4.poujnkjk++rghed0%per...@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steven Friedrich free...@insightbb.com wrote: Common Unix Printing System certainly sounds as if the intent was to be the ONE thing that is used for printing. Whether they did a good job of it is another question entirely :( I think that you don't fully apreciate the task at hand. When Unix was first invented, there were no laser printers, ink jets, USB, etc. That no one can create a one-size fits all solution OWES to the fact it's simply not always possible to unify disparate designs. They weren't designed to be interoperable. Technology keeps marchng forward. We need to discard all of it eventually. Back in the CP/M and early MS-DOS days, similar doubts were raised regarding display systems. Fortunately, those doubts did not stop some developers from doing what others thought impossible. The results included X11, which has been rather durable for a considerable time. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:19:37 -0400 From: Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: apache22 and threads To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: i77jch$ce...@dough.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Victor Sudakov wrote: Colleagues, When building apache22 from ports, would you recommend to enable or to disable threads support? Even more confusing is the fact that for ports/www/apache22 the default is: Enable threads support in APR is off (WITHOUT_THREADS=true) while for ports/devel/apr1 the default is: Enable Threads in apr is on (WITH_THREADS=true). Thank you in advance for any input. PS ports/devel/apr1 will also be used for the subversion client. I wouldn't mind someone with more apache22-fu to elaborate, correcting the following if necessary. My thoughts are this matters depending upon which mpm you choose to build into apache. The default is prefork, and it handles incoming requests by spawning child processes. The main shortcoming associated with this approach is resources such as database connections are not shareable between the child processes, e.g. each must have its own. So each incoming request has to fork a child, then build up, consume, and
compat4x broken in FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE?
Is anyone else having issues using compat4x / running FreeBSD 4 binaries on 8.1-RELEASE? I recently upgraded a system of mine from 8.0-RELEASE to 8.1-RELEASE, which seems to have broken compatibility with compat4x. The requisite package is installed (I even reinstalled it, but it appears to be a binary package). The kernel options are all still there in my kernel config, which is only a slightly modified GENERIC. $ uname -a FreeBSD xx 8.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Tue Sep 21 01:18:45 EDT 2010 r...@x:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PFSYNC-MFIB amd64 $ grep -ir compat /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/PFSYNC-MFIB options COMPAT_43TTY# BSD 4.3 TTY compat (sgtty) options COMPAT_IA32 # Compatible with i386 binaries options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 # Compatible with FreeBSD6 options COMPAT_FREEBSD7 # Compatible with FreeBSD7 An example FreeBSD 4 port which no longer works is audio/ventrilo-server: $ sudo /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ventrilo-server start Starting ventrilo. /usr/local/ventrilo-server/ventrilo_srv: 1: Syntax error: ( unexpected $ file /usr/local/ventrilo-server/ventrilo_srv /usr/local/ventrilo-server/ventrilo_srv: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 4.5, stripped $ ldd /usr/local/ventrilo-server/ventrilo_srv ldd: /usr/bin/ldd32: Exec format error Interestingly enough, the compat4 libraries themselves don't seem to be recognized: $ ldd /usr/local/lib32/compat/libfetch.so.2 ldd: /usr/bin/ldd32: Exec format error Compat5x libraries do not appear to be affected: $ ldd /usr/local/lib/compat/libfetch.so.3 /usr/local/lib/compat/libfetch.so.3: libssl.so.3 = /usr/local/lib/compat/libssl.so.3 (0x800c0) libcrypto.so.3 = /usr/local/lib/compat/libcrypto.so.3 (0x800d3a000) Has anyone else ran into this issue? I realize trying to use things built for FreeBSD 4 may be like beating a dead horse at this point, I'm just surprised that the compatibility was broken during a minor release upgrade. Thanks, Steve Polyack ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Mailing list software recommendations
I'm thinking about installing either ezmlm or mailman. I'm not against others; thoughts? -- Ryan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: man.cgi
On 21/09/2010 18:50:21, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Lowell == Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org writes: Lowell http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/www/en/cgi/man.cgi Wow. *Ancient* Perl code. I should contribute a rewrite to modern Perl. cvsweb.cgi or man.cgi? Or both? Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: FreeBSD 8.1 Squid suggestions?
Hello No problem ! I use Squid on a proliant HP 360 with 2 Gb RAM and 100 Gb of disk cache. It serves our LAN clients ( approx 800 PCs ) without trouble with a standard kernel. Hope this help. Le 21/09/2010 21:41, Ed Flecko a écrit : Hi folks, I have a small group of people in my office (less than 20), and I want to set up a FBSD/Squid server, and I'm hoping someone might have some suggestions for the install. It's a clean install of FBSD 8.1, and the sole purpose of the server is a Squid server. The server has a 500Gb SATA hard drive, and 8Gb of RAM. I've installed Squid before (on an OpenBSD server), so I'm a comfortable with Squid. I'll install from a package (to make my life easy), but I'm not sure if there are any FBSD specific changes I should make? Are there any kernel customizations you might recommend I need? Are there any suggestions you might make to improve performance? Suggestions? Thank you, Ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.1 Squid suggestions?
Hi Ed,
For my office, I add IPFIREWALL_FORWARD into the kernel so that I can
transparently route all HTTP traffic without any client configuration.
My ipfw rule is:
ipfw add 550 fwd 127.0.0.1,3128 tcp from ${int_net} to any 80 via ${int_if}
Patrick
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Ed Flecko edfle...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
I have a small group of people in my office (less than 20), and I want
to set up a FBSD/Squid server, and I'm hoping someone might have some
suggestions for the install.
It's a clean install of FBSD 8.1, and the sole purpose of the server
is a Squid server. The server has a 500Gb SATA hard drive, and 8Gb of
RAM. I've installed Squid before (on an OpenBSD server), so I'm a
comfortable with Squid.
I'll install from a package (to make my life easy), but I'm not sure
if there are any FBSD specific changes I should make? Are there any
kernel customizations you might recommend I need? Are there any
suggestions you might make to improve performance?
Suggestions?
Thank you,
Ed
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Re: Software to SEND log files only?
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:16:35 -0500 Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: That's pretty silly article if you ask me, sendmail is setup to that by default. just add something like this to cron: uuencode /path/to/logfile logfile | mail -s logfile yourem...@example.com Most mail servers will block sendmail's connections from a dynamic IP: the advantage to ssmtp is that it forwards mail to the ISP's server. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software to SEND log files only?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: Most mail servers will block sendmail's connections from a dynamic IP: the advantage to ssmtp is that it forwards mail to the ISP's server. A small few, not most will do this IME. The larger issue is/was that some providers blocked port 25 from dynamic IP's. Regardless, it's easier to config sendmail as a smarthost with authorization, than it is a add yet another port IMO. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading from 8.0-Release /
On 09/21/2010 06:59 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, Sure you don't have a freebsd-update cron running which runs a the time just between executing freebsd-update -r 8.1-RELEASE + merging config files and executing freebsd-update install? I upgraded some boxes to 8.1 and did not see this problem. No. Nothing automated. That's why I am surprised and not sure what to do next. Do you think I should try to invoke the upgrade (-r 8.1-RELEASE upgrade) command again? Yes, start the upgrade from the beginning again. If this does not work and you don't intend to rollback from a previous update you may take a look at /var/db/freebsd-update and clean it out. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
