Re: HAL must die!
On 03/16/11 10:43, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 08:37:53PM -0400, Jerry wrote: The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. . . . and most of them are supported on any given platform that isn't pathologically closed. Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms and their utilities. Corporate media, giants or otherwise, are in business to make money. They obviously are going to focus on the largest possible paying audience. Simple business 101. The largest possible paying audience is generally everybody capable of using an open standard. Thinking that MS Windows users who browse the Web with IE constitute the largest possible paying audience is a classic mistake of not thinking things through. Modern versions (post-6.0) of IE support a nontrivial percentage of open standards; so do Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chromium, and others. If you select standards supported by all of them, you get better than 98% of the user base, and if you select Microsoft technologies, you may get 100% of IE users (post-6.0), but you only get something like 70% of your potential paying audience. People don't target a given proprietary platform that appears to hold the majority of the market because they're targeting the largest possible user base. They do so because they're lazy thinkers. If you hadn't have pointed this out I would have... :) Having studied in some of the best business schools (this means you, Monash, for one) I can vouch for the exceedingly narrow view of the world by the so called captains of industry. Now, as far as HAL goes, the fragmented open-source community cannot even begin to agree on its replacement. Every distro is busy trying to reinvent the wheel. Here you want the majority of users to be dictated to by a minority of users who cannot even agree on a common platform that is uniformly used throughout all the non-Microsoft community. That reasoning is totally irrational. I haven't really been following the goings-on with HAL, so I'm not sure exactly what all is going on there. All I know for sure is that HAL never lived up to its own promises. Clearly, it needed to be either overhauled in a major way or replaced. Just as clearly, there's some kind of confusion over how the solution will look when the dust settles. Beyond that, I'm not sure what's going on. I'm just as mystified. Why do we need a hotplug system on an OS which does it already? It is a system I've never been bothered enough to actually try to understand, its done its job as regards the latest in Xorg (else it wouldn't be needed all), but as for the rest of the features it supposedly does... why? It's easier to read the man pages and research/activate the native functionality in FBSD. I do know, however, that the state of the disunion over HAL is no more or less annoying than the disconnect between API versions in one poorly implemented, incompletely specified, secretly propagated MS Windows version's software framework and another. The real tragedy, I think, is that the majority opinion in any major development space (Apple, Microsoft, Linux, et cetera) is unlikely to be anything clean, elegant, and sane, except in rare cases. Again, my apologies for reviving the dead horse... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms and their utilities. Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: HAL must die!
On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. It may have change a couple of percentage points. Apple marketshare has gone up a lot percentage wise but in the whole market just a little.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: android phone -pc-ineternet
On 03/13/11 10:02, ajtiM wrote: Hi! I have a wire (cable) internet on my home PC with FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0. I have also a new HTC Inspire 4G phone which I like to connet to the Internet through my PC. It has an option Internet Pass-through. I am running also pf firewall. I connecte the phone to the computer (USB port) with option Internet Pass- through but it is not easy to me. In my pflog I got: DateInterface Action RuleDirection ProtocolSrc. addressSrc. port Dest. address Dest. port 2011-03-12 17:25:35.356233 sk0 drop9 in udp 192.168.0.107 137 192.168.0.255 137 2011-03-12 17:25:38.121827 sk0 drop9 in udp 192.168.0.107 138 192.168.0.255 138 A little confused as to what you're trying to do. The USB internet sharing (or pass through as you put it) allows your PC to use the phone's internet. To get the phone to use your home internet service it needs to use the wifi connection. Alternatively, you can access your home network using the 4G network using the VPN services. IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- see above... :) HTH ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD CURRENT custom ISO install image: howto?
I'm desperately looking for howto creating my own FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT/amd64 custom installation DVD. Google delivers a lot of outdated stuff and I wasn't able to find some hints in the handbook, so maybe one here can help. I've already all sources via 'svn' (no CVS) on the local box. The intention is to be able to use new bsdinstall instead of sysinstall for having GPT partitions. Please set me CC if responding. Thanks in advance, Oliver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 + Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk articulated: On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms and their utilities. Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial assessment. http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 In an interesting side note, another article that I read recently and am trying to locate at this moment states that 50% of users who switched to MAC from Windows in the last 5 years are now seriously considering dumping it and moving to a Windows 7 machine. Their biggest complain was with the added complexity of doing routine tasks. A lack of job specific software was also mentioned. Exactly what that entails I have no idea. Apparently, keyboard users found Windows easier to use and maneuver. I am a mouse person myself so I would not be able to comment on that even if I used a MAC. In any case, the subject declaring HAL must die if no longer relevant. It is all ready dead, except on FreeBSD. Even its author has declared it so. The real question is how long are the developers of the fragmented open-source community going to continue to display testosterone poisoning by refusing to come together and develop one common interface/API or whatever they want to declare it to be that works on all the competing distros and thereby helps to unite the open-source community? The sad part is even if that did happen, each distro would then refuse to use it because it was not licensed according to their own specifications. Yes indeed, you have to love standards, there are so many of them. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
On 03/16/11 21:30, Jerry wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 + Matthew Seamanm.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk articulated: On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms and their utilities. Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial assessment. http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 In an interesting side note, another article that I read recently and am trying to locate at this moment states that 50% of users who switched to MAC from Windows in the last 5 years are now seriously considering dumping it and moving to a Windows 7 machine. Their biggest complain was with the added complexity of doing routine tasks. A lack of job specific software was also mentioned. Exactly what that entails I have no idea. Apparently, keyboard users found Windows easier to use and maneuver. I am a mouse person myself so I would not be able to comment on that even if I used a MAC. In any case, the subject declaring HAL must die if no longer relevant. It is all ready dead, except on FreeBSD. Even its author has declared it so. The real question is how long are the developers of the fragmented open-source community going to continue to display testosterone poisoning by refusing to come together and develop one common interface/API or whatever they want to declare it to be that works on all the competing distros and thereby helps to unite the open-source community? The sad part is even if that did happen, each distro would then refuse to use it because it was not licensed according to their own specifications. Yes indeed, you have to love standards, there are so many of them. I may be just talking shit here, but shouldn't there be some posix (or similar) specification for this? That would bypass the licensing requirements- right? Then the coding would be done by the licensor according to their own requirements, but the interface would be the same. Hell, by that reckoning even Winblow$ and Mac could get onboard if they chose too- not that anyone could see M$ coming to any open standards party where they don't think they could gain the upper hand :) Might diminish the pissing contest too... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Booting from firmware RAID
Hello, This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as ar0, so it has drivers. But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is not good idea, but I really want to do it:) Is it possible? boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? So, how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? Is it possible to boot freebsd from firmware raid? Ilya. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ImageMagick, pecl-imagick (FreeBSD vs Ubuntu) problem (djvu as well?)
I have a server that I just put together to work with image creation.
Its running lighttpd with php being handled by php-fpm all from ports
running 8.2 amd64.
My problem is quite strange; a simple php script reading in a djvu file
(via Imagick()) causes php to hang and not do anything. - no errors,
nothing.
Running the script via php -f also does the same thing..
cat -n something.php
1 ?php
2 $im = new Imagick('/tmp/c3067.djvu');// open DjVu image
3 $im-setImageFormat('png');// force output format to PNG
4
5 // now write to browser
6 header('Content-type: '.$im-getImageFormat());
7 echo $im-getimageblob();
8 ?
So aside from the problem that this php does not do anything..
root@fbsd [/tmp]# 28 convert /tmp/c3067.djvu /tmp/file.png echo $?
0
root@fbsd [/tmp]# 29 file file.png
file.png: PNG image, 957 x 1063, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
Running the command to convert the djvu file manually seems to have no
problems at all..
The problem lies in that the developer of this (I am not the main
developer) says that all this works perfectly on my Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
server at home.. *sigh*
He sent me a php -m to compare my minimal setup to his bloated one; and
I built every damn module to match.. no difference..
I've asked for a: `convert -list format` output from the lts machine to
compare it against my own; as well as a `convert -list configure`
Tried to do an strace to see what I could see.. but strace doesn't work
on amd64..
So can someone offer *something* that I could start to look at or use to
look at what is causing this to happen? Otherwise it is looking like I
will be loosing a perfectly good FreeBSD machine to an Ubuntu one.. *sniff*
Thanks in advance.
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panic while using gdb amd64 freebsd7.2
Hi, I have looked at archives but with no output. I am running freebsd7.2 amd64 as a virtual machine(VM) in vmware ESX server. I have configured remote gdb to debug the kernel modules. My problem is that whenever the breakpoint is hit and the I issue next or step kernel panics with double fault error. This configuration was working for 32-bit machine very well. I am trying to debug the tmpfs module. Panic message on console is: Fatal double fault rip = 0x80552be1 rsp = 0x006f5000 rbp = 0x006f5000 cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 panic: double fault cpuid = 0 Uptime: 1h16m8s Physical memory: 4555 MB Dumping 207 MB: 192 176 160 144 128 112 96 80 64 48 32 16 Dump complete I tried searching this problem on google also but with no help. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Mayank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Booting from firmware RAID
Thank you. I configured boot0 to my ar0 and tried to boot from it. It freezes. I use RAID10 and Intel-ICH7. Looks like I've faced with some other troubles.. Ilya. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:05 PM, mcoyles mcoy...@horbury.wakefield.sch.ukwrote: This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as ar0, so it has drivers. But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is not good idea, but I really want to do it:) Is it possible? boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? So, how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? Bios support interrupts and can thus boot from firmware raid. Under windows drivers typically just give you full speed / management features - Marci ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Updating OpenSSH
I was just wondering about the version of SSH used on FreeBSD. According to the OpenSSH page: OpenSSH 5.8/5.8p1 released February 4, 2011 [contains security fix] Now, according to my system, FreeBSD-8.2, I have this version: OpenSSH_5.4p1 FreeBSD-20100308, OpenSSL 0.9.8q 2 Dec 2010 # openssl version OpenSSL 1.0.0d 8 Feb 2011 So why is an older version shown? Also, when does the FreeBSD team intend to update the system OpenSSH version? I have the following notation in my /etc/make.conf file: WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes Should I have something else also? I have FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE installed. -- Carmel carmel...@hotmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Booting from firmware RAID
This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as ar0, so it has drivers. But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is not good idea, but I really want to do it:) Is it possible? boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? So, how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? Is it possible to boot freebsd from firmware raid? Sometimes: it depends on the firmware, and your bios. I had a add-in PCIe SATA RAID controller based on a Marvell SE9128 chipset, and using a Marvell firmware. The bios and the FreeBSD 9-CURRENT bootloader were able to boot from a JBOD drive attached to the controller, up until the point where the ahci driver tried to take control of the drive. Then the Marvell firmware presented a fictitious configuration to the ahci driver and returned invalid device signatures, so the boot process failed. On the same machine, however, I was able to boot without problems from a JBOD drive attached to a PCI-X SATA RAID controller based on the Silicon Image SiI3124 chipset, using a Silicon Image firmware. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating OpenSSH
On 16/03/2011 13:38, Carmel wrote: I was just wondering about the version of SSH used on FreeBSD. According to the OpenSSH page: OpenSSH 5.8/5.8p1 released February 4, 2011 [contains security fix] Now, according to my system, FreeBSD-8.2, I have this version: OpenSSH_5.4p1 FreeBSD-20100308, OpenSSL 0.9.8q 2 Dec 2010 # openssl version OpenSSL 1.0.0d 8 Feb 2011 So why is an older version shown? Also, when does the FreeBSD team intend to update the system OpenSSH version? I have the following notation in my /etc/make.conf file: WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes Should I have something else also? I have FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE installed. The version of OpenSSH shipped with any release of the OS is exceedingly unlikely to be updated within the lifetime of that release. Not unless there was a killer problem, and it turned out easier to update the whole shebang rather than just patching the problem. Why wasn't OpenSSH updated in stable/8 before 8.2-RELEASE? Good question. I don't actually know. It's quite possible that no one had sufficient spare cycles to do the work required, and that the changes between 5.4 and 5.8 were not sufficiently compelling for anyone to make the time. As for security vulnerabilities: did you check on the OpenSSH site? The vulnerability fixed in 5.8 (information leak in signed SSH keys) only applies to versions 5.6 and 5.7 -- that's because the whole 'signed key' thing isn't in version 5.4 at all. I can tell you that the FreeBSD Security Team is extremely efficient and would have had patches and security advisories out for this problem within a matter of hours of the OpenSSH announcement *if it had been relevant*. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: android phone -pc-ineternet
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- see above... No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred way of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or start your phone on fire :) I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put much effort into it. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
bind 98 make fails
FreeBSD 8.2 i386 kern dev distribution as 42-bit VM on host ESXi 4.1 portsnap fetch extract cd /usr/ports/dns/bind98 make Options for bind98 9.8.0 | | ++ | [X] SSL Building without OpenSSL removes DNSSEC | | [X] LINKS Create conf file symlinks in /usr/local | | [X] XML Support for xml statistics output | | [X] IDN Add IDN support to dig, host, etc. | | [X] REPLACE_BASEReplace base BIND with this version | | [ ] LARGE_FILE 64-bit file support | | [X] SIGCHASEdig/host/nslookup will do DNSSEC validation | | [X] IPV6IPv6 Support (autodetected by default) | | [X] THREADS Compile with thread support | | [ ] DLZ_POSTGRESQL DLZ Postgres driver | | [ ] DLZ_MYSQL DLZ MySQL driver (single-threaded BIND) | | [ ] DLZ_BDB DLZ BDB driver | | [ ] DLZ_LDAPDLZ LDAP driver | | [ ] DLZ_FILESYSTEM DLZ filesystem driver | | [ ] DLZ_STUBDLZ stub driver make: don't know how to make /usr/ports/dns/bind98 /work/.build_done.bind98._usr_local. Stop *** Error code 2 thanks Len ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
Quoth Robert Huff on Wednesday, 16 March 2011: Erich Dollansky writes: The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. when it comes to screwing, we use - at least outside the USA - metric screws. M3, M4 ... M10 ... We do not care much who manufactured them. The software industry is still far away from this. ... in part, because the definition of a screw is not yet fixed. Microsoft seems to understand the definition of screw well enough for its own purposes. The rest of us just don't like being on the receiving end of it. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgpngAATFdmh3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HAL must die!
Quoth Jerry on Wednesday, 16 March 2011: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 + Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk articulated: On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms and their utilities. Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial assessment. http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 That's interesting and all, but what does such a sampling really tell you? By contrast, if I look at Google Analytics for the OS makeup of visitors to chipstips.com, I get only 50% Windows, 44% Mac, 5% Linux, and 1% Android. (I'm not sure where *BSD gets classified in that scheme). So the number you pay attention to is the number that applies to what you're trying to find out. If you're looking at trends for investment, then you need to look at growth/shrinkage rather than fixed market share. If you're wondering how you should target your applications, then look at usage (and growth) within your target user base (which may or may not include home or small business users, for example). How you obtain those numbers has to vary depending. I don't have hard data to back it up, but it seems to me that an awful lot of Windows users are such merely due to inertia. More technologically inclined users (a growing segment) tend (but not exclusively) to prefer other platforms. At least, that's what I'm seeing among my clients, readers, and associates. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgp101daqce38.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HAL must die!
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 09:25:59AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: On Wednesday 16 March 2011 07:37:53 Jerry wrote: Now, as far as HAL goes, the fragmented open-source community cannot even begin to agree on its replacement. Every distro is busy trying to It looks like a bunch of little Napoleons. . . . just like the plethora of warring closed standards produced by closed source software vendors. It's an epidemic, really. I believe that a major factor in determining the practical standardization of a policy or design, as measured in widespread adoption and portability, is the lack of restrictions in how it is implemented, used, distributed, et cetera, aside from the basic definition of what is compatible with the standard. This means that EULAs, copyleft licenses, patents, and other restrictions on use and deployment tend to kill widespread adoption as a practical standard, especially when there is no singly market-dominating corporation leading the charge for adoption. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpnjN5NgQ0cT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HAL must die!
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 07:30:45AM -0400, Jerry wrote: There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial assessment. Just keep in mind that it doesn't hve to be partial to be wrong, of course. Data gathering for things like this is notoriously subject to selection biases and other obscuring factors. For instance, a surprising number of people set their browser user agent strings to non-default values to deal with Websites that refuse to display for anything but IE versions greater than or equal to 5.0, and business-oriented market share figures usually count only unit sales (which excludes free stuff and doesn't discount cases where people throw it away right away). Statistical analysis is not nearly as easy to get right as people usually think it is (including most statisticians). In an interesting side note, another article that I read recently and am trying to locate at this moment states that 50% of users who switched to MAC from Windows in the last 5 years are now seriously considering dumping it and moving to a Windows 7 machine. Their biggest complain was with the added complexity of doing routine tasks. A lack of job specific software was also mentioned. Exactly what that entails I have no idea. Apparently, keyboard users found Windows easier to use and maneuver. I am a mouse person myself so I would not be able to comment on that even if I used a MAC. . . . and yet, a majority of those people would probably extol the virtues of the mouse if I introduced them to vi. Funny how that works. In any case, the subject declaring HAL must die if no longer relevant. It is all ready dead, except on FreeBSD. Even its author has declared it so. The real question is how long are the developers of the fragmented open-source community going to continue to display testosterone poisoning by refusing to come together and develop one common interface/API or whatever they want to declare it to be that works on all the competing distros and thereby helps to unite the open-source community? The sad part is even if that did happen, each distro would then refuse to use it because it was not licensed according to their own specifications. Yes indeed, you have to love standards, there are so many of them. Especially for security software and stuff meant to act as a de facto portable standard, people need to learn to grow up and release things under copyfree licenses so everybody can use them. Trying to push a standard under a restrictive license is the height of irrationality. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpEhiSQGDh8C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Backtick versus $()
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Re: Booting from firmware RAID
My boot0 freezes. I found discussion where guy told that extipl works fine but boot0 not because extipl uses LBA instead of CHS and some raids do not support CHS. It is new to me that BIOS allows LBA but I will try extipl now. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:11 PM, b. f. bf1...@googlemail.com wrote: This is probably more PC-specific than freebsd-specific question. I have intel firmware raid. OS needs drivers to work with it. FreeBSD sees it as ar0, so it has drivers. But I want my OS to be installed on this drive and boot from it. It is not good idea, but I really want to do it:) Is it possible? boot0 and boot1 both work with HDD via BIOS interrupts and CHS, right? So, how do they know how to access RAID? They has no drivers. Or BIOS supports interrupts to access RAID with out of drivers? If so -- what for drivers are needed? To access drive via ATA interface? Is it possible to boot freebsd from firmware raid? Sometimes: it depends on the firmware, and your bios. I had a add-in PCIe SATA RAID controller based on a Marvell SE9128 chipset, and using a Marvell firmware. The bios and the FreeBSD 9-CURRENT bootloader were able to boot from a JBOD drive attached to the controller, up until the point where the ahci driver tried to take control of the drive. Then the Marvell firmware presented a fictitious configuration to the ahci driver and returned invalid device signatures, so the boot process failed. On the same machine, however, I was able to boot without problems from a JBOD drive attached to a PCI-X SATA RAID controller based on the Silicon Image SiI3124 chipset, using a Silicon Image firmware. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: The largest possible paying audience is generally everybody capable of using an open standard. Since we're talking about video, though, it's worth noting that there don't appear to *be* any truly open video compression standards. They're *all* patent-encumbered. Google tried with VP8, but it looks like that may infringe patents as well. (It hasn't been settled in court, so it's hard to be sure, but some competitors are making rumblings about suing over it.) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:12:09AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: The largest possible paying audience is generally everybody capable of using an open standard. Since we're talking about video, though, it's worth noting that there don't appear to *be* any truly open video compression standards. They're *all* patent-encumbered. Google tried with VP8, but it looks like that may infringe patents as well. (It hasn't been settled in court, so it's hard to be sure, but some competitors are making rumblings about suing over it.) It's certainly true that video is a bit of a sticky widget with regard to open standards. The moment someone develops something that is verifiably free of patent encumbrances for video and doesn't just *suck*, I expect that either it will achieve escape velocity in mere moments to become the most widely deployed type of video in the world, or the guy who created it will die under mysterious circumstances and his heirs will somehow arrange to dummy up a patent application in his name with the help of whoever's going to buy the patent from those heirs. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpa7kOGkl6mP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Updating OpenSSH
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:35:09 + Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk articulated: On 16/03/2011 13:38, Carmel wrote: I was just wondering about the version of SSH used on FreeBSD. According to the OpenSSH page: OpenSSH 5.8/5.8p1 released February 4, 2011 [contains security fix] Now, according to my system, FreeBSD-8.2, I have this version: OpenSSH_5.4p1 FreeBSD-20100308, OpenSSL 0.9.8q 2 Dec 2010 # openssl version OpenSSL 1.0.0d 8 Feb 2011 So why is an older version shown? Also, when does the FreeBSD team intend to update the system OpenSSH version? I have the following notation in my /etc/make.conf file: WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes Should I have something else also? I have FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE installed. The version of OpenSSH shipped with any release of the OS is exceedingly unlikely to be updated within the lifetime of that release. Not unless there was a killer problem, and it turned out easier to update the whole shebang rather than just patching the problem. Why wasn't OpenSSH updated in stable/8 before 8.2-RELEASE? Good question. I don't actually know. It's quite possible that no one had sufficient spare cycles to do the work required, and that the changes between 5.4 and 5.8 were not sufficiently compelling for anyone to make the time. OK, then does that mean that the latest version will be used in the still not released 9 version of FreeBSD? As for security vulnerabilities: did you check on the OpenSSH site? The vulnerability fixed in 5.8 (information leak in signed SSH keys) only applies to versions 5.6 and 5.7 -- that's because the whole 'signed key' thing isn't in version 5.4 at all. No, all I did was check for the current version. I can tell you that the FreeBSD Security Team is extremely efficient and would have had patches and security advisories out for this problem within a matter of hours of the OpenSSH announcement *if it had been relevant*. -- Carmel carmel...@hotmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating OpenSSH
On Mar 16, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Carmel wrote: OK, then does that mean that the latest version will be used in the still not released 9 version of FreeBSD? Currently, no-- TRUNK has: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/crypto/openssh/version.h Revision 1.41: download - view: text, markup, annotated - select for diffs Thu Nov 11 11:46:19 2010 UTC (4 months ago) by des Branches: MAIN CVS tags: HEAD Diff to: previous 1.40: preferred, colored Changes since revision 1.40: +3 -3 lines SVN rev 215116 on 2010-11-11 11:46:19Z by des Upgrade to OpenSSH 5.6p1. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Randal == Randal L Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com writes: Randal OK, so I'll appeal to the rest of freebsd-questions, since you can't Randal answer with authority: Randal can you upgrade from 8.1 to 8.2 using freebsd-update booting from Randal ZFS as described at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/, Randal without having to go through the chicanry described at Randal http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 - or is Randal there an updated version of that post, or should that post be Randal literally followed? Randal SOMEONE here knows. Please help. So, nobody knows? Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary upgrade. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: It's certainly true that video is a bit of a sticky widget with regard to open standards. The moment someone develops something that is verifiably free of patent encumbrances for video and doesn't just *suck*, I expect that either it will achieve escape velocity in mere moments to become the most widely deployed type of video in the world, or the guy who created it will die under mysterious circumstances and his heirs will somehow arrange to dummy up a patent application in his name with the help of whoever's going to buy the patent from those heirs. The problem is it'd have to be someone who's unemployed. ;) Any software company is going to want to patent something that valuable; they'd be failing their shareholders if they didn't. We may just have to wait for the patents to expire on some older but still viable codecs, much like eventually happened with GIF. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD CURRENT custom ISO install image: howto?
On 03/16/11 19:10, Al Plant wrote: O. Hartmann wrote: I'm desperately looking for howto creating my own FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT/amd64 custom installation DVD. Google delivers a lot of outdated stuff and I wasn't able to find some hints in the handbook, so maybe one here can help. I've already all sources via 'svn' (no CVS) on the local box. The intention is to be able to use new bsdinstall instead of sysinstall for having GPT partitions. Please set me CC if responding. Thanks in advance, Oliver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Aloha Oliver, On the list is Manolis Kiagias. He makes install disks possible. I also copied him on this reply. He helped me with making an install disk for my projects and he can most likely point you to his how to methods. Hello out there. Thank you very much. The last time I tried making a install media from a local installation is quite a lot of years since. I found man release(7) very helpful, but at the end it turns out that I didn't understood what is happening. I tried to fullfill all prerequisites needed to make a release, i.e. 1) having a populated /usr/src (SVN managed), I recently made a 'make buildworld', I created a suitable release-folder to chroot to for the release and I issued MAKE_DVD=yes and MAKE_ISOS=yes to ensure the build of ISO images for a DVD. I'll show the command issued at the end. But the build-process seems to drop everything it builds into /usr/src/release (from where the commande 'make release' has to be issued as docuemnted in 'release (7)'. Here's the command: Folders /home/release and /usr/src exists, 'make buildworld' has been issued and successfully finished. The following commands are issued regarding the release (7) manpage: cd /usr/src/release make release SVNROOT=/usr/src NODOC=yes MAKE_DVD=yes MAKE_ISOS=yes\ CHROOTDIR=/home/release BUILDNAME=SOMETHING_NEW I do not ommit TARGET_ARCH and TARGET since I do not crossbuild (I'm on amd64). The outcome is that the make-release process seems to flood /usr/src/release as it never 'chroot' to the given CHROOTDIR. I'm not familiar with this and I exepct this to be a kind of mistake. Correct me if I'm wrong. Regards, Oliver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating OpenSSH
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:32:48 -0700 Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com articulated: On Mar 16, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Carmel wrote: OK, then does that mean that the latest version will be used in the still not released 9 version of FreeBSD? Currently, no-- TRUNK has: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/crypto/openssh/version.h Revision 1.41: download - view: text, markup, annotated - select for diffs Thu Nov 11 11:46:19 2010 UTC (4 months ago) by des Branches: MAIN CVS tags: HEAD Diff to: previous 1.40: preferred, colored Changes since revision 1.40: +3 -3 lines SVN rev 215116 on 2010-11-11 11:46:19Z by des Upgrade to OpenSSH 5.6p1. Out of some sort of morbid curiosity, why would the FreeBSD developers not update to the latest version? It appears to be stable and I have not seen anything to state otherwise. There are apparently, (obviously) differences between the latest and the version presently used in FreeBSD and I assume the proposed one for the 9.x branch. Mathew alluded to that. In any case, since 9.x is not due out for a while, it would appear to me me anyways that now would be a good time to consider making the switch. Just my 2¢. -- Carmel carmel...@hotmail.com The latest toy has just hit the shops - a talking Muslim doll. Nobody knows what the hell it says because no one's got the balls to pull the cord. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On Wed, March 16, 2011 2:36 pm, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Randal SOMEONE here knows. Please help. So, nobody knows? Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary upgrade. I thought Matthew Seamans' answer sounded pretty definitive: A system update via freebsd-update or otherwise won't touch whatever bootblocks you have installed. So if you have already installed gptzfsboot and your system already boots ZFS v12 then it will continue to boot ZFS v12 without your touching anything to do with boot blocks. However, with the 8.1 - 8.2 upgrade, you get (inter-alia) ZFS v13 support (I think it's v13 -- all my personal kit is running the stable/8 v28 patchset...) plus equivalent zpool version bump. The 8.1 bootblocks don't understand ZFS v13. If you wish to update the on-disk formats of your ZFS stuff: 'zpool upgrade -a' or 'zfs upgrade -a' then you *will* need to reinstall the gptzfsboot boot-blocks. You don't have to update the ZFS formats, but you'll miss out on various performance and bug-fixes if you don't. Given that the gptzfsboot boot blocks are backwards compatible to older ZFS versions, highly recommended to update the boot blocks even if you aren't intending to upgrade the ZFS bits just yet. Just as an anti-foot-shooting measure. By that: You don't _have_ to do anything. But it is probably a good idea. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
postfix / windows live mail problems (possibly OT)
I recently set up a postfix mail server on freebsd 8.1 with dovecot. I am having trouble sending mail using Windows Live Mail. The error I see in the logfiles is: Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: connect from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141]: 554 5.7.1 m...@.com: Relay access denied; from=b...@.com to=m...@.com proto=ESMTP helo=HPPC Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: disconnect from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] The error Windows Live displays is: Server Error: 554 Server Response: 554 5.7.1 m...@.com: Relay access denied Server: 'mail..com' Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC79 Protocol: SMTP Port: 587 Secure(SSL): No If anyone can point me to a better list or otherwise help out, it would be greatly appreciated. Naturally, Thunderbird and KDE-Mail work fine... Mark Moellering Class-Creator . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: android phone -pc-ineternet
On Wednesday March 16 2011 09:39:11 Mark Felder wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- see above... No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred way of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or start your phone on fire :) I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put much effort into it. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I want to connect a phone with usb to PC and use Internet through PC. At work Itried on MAC compuer and it easy but onn FreeBSD I don't know how. I don't have wirelless at home and I like to use wired... Mitja http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: postfix / windows live mail problems (possibly OT)
Your postfix does not relay mails from this client. See http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.htmlI suggest you to remove your IPs from messages next time. By the way, postfix should have its own mail-list, not freebsd:) On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Mark Moellering m...@msen.com wrote: I recently set up a postfix mail server on freebsd 8.1 with dovecot. I am having trouble sending mail using Windows Live Mail. The error I see in the logfiles is: Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: connect from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141]: 554 5.7.1 m...@.com: Relay access denied; from=b...@.com to= m...@.com proto=ESMTP helo=HPPC Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: disconnect from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] The error Windows Live displays is: Server Error: 554 Server Response: 554 5.7.1 m...@.com: Relay access denied Server: 'mail..com' Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC79 Protocol: SMTP Port: 587 Secure(SSL): No If anyone can point me to a better list or otherwise help out, it would be greatly appreciated. Naturally, Thunderbird and KDE-Mail work fine... Mark Moellering Class-Creator . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Daniel == Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net writes: Daniel On Wed, March 16, 2011 2:36 pm, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Randal SOMEONE here knows. Please help. So, nobody knows? Most of the other answers were about a source-code upgrade, not a binary upgrade. Daniel I thought Matthew Seamans' answer sounded pretty definitive: A system update via freebsd-update or otherwise won't touch whatever bootblocks you have installed. So if you have already installed gptzfsboot and your system already boots ZFS v12 then it will continue to boot ZFS v12 without your touching anything to do with boot blocks. But this was absolutely *not* the case with 8.0 to 8.1. I had tried it naively in a VM, and thank goodness, because the VM failed to boot. Then I googled, and found http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=94557postcount=19 which when I followed, and it worked fine. Thus, when I did my live 8.0 to 8.1 upgrades, I followed that extra gpart bootcode step, and everything worked fine. Therefore, Matthew Seaman can't be trusted with his answer. He apparently did not boot a ZFS-on-root disk with a freebsd-update from 8.0 to 8.1, or he would not have said what he did. The question I have is, does anyone know *definitively* if the same thing that broke 8.0 to 8.1 will also likely occur in 8.1 to 8.2, or does the bootloader in 8.2 now contain what /boot/gptzfsboot contained in 8.1? As in, does FreeBSD 8.2 now support *native* ZFS booting, or will it forever be a kluge? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: postfix / windows live mail problems (possibly OT)
My apologies, I could not find the postfix mailing list initially. (it has been a Deal with Microsoft software day...) I have now found the proper list, Thank You On 16-Mar-11 5:15 PM, Ilya Kazakevich wrote: Your postfix does not relay mails from this client. See http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html I suggest you to remove your IPs from messages next time. By the way, postfix should have its own mail-list, not freebsd:) On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Mark Moellering m...@msen.com mailto:m...@msen.com wrote: I recently set up a postfix mail server on freebsd 8.1 with dovecot. I am having trouble sending mail using Windows Live Mail. The error I see in the logfiles is: Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: connect from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net http://c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net http://c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141]: 554 5.7.1 m...@.com mailto:m...@.com: Relay access denied; from=b...@.com mailto:b...@.com to=m...@.com mailto:m...@.com proto=ESMTP helo=HPPC Mar 16 13:13:57 mail postfix/smtpd[5159]: disconnect from c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net http://c-68-40-255-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[68.40.255.141] The error Windows Live displays is: Server Error: 554 Server Response: 554 5.7.1 m...@.com mailto:m...@.com: Relay access denied Server: 'mail..com http://mail..com' Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC79 Protocol: SMTP Port: 587 Secure(SSL): No If anyone can point me to a better list or otherwise help out, it would be greatly appreciated. Naturally, Thunderbird and KDE-Mail work fine... Mark Moellering Class-Creator . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: postfix / windows live mail problems (possibly OT)
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:48:36 -0400 Mark Moellering m...@msen.com articulated: My apologies, I could not find the postfix mailing list initially. (it has been a Deal with Microsoft software day...) I have now found the proper list, Thank You Before posting to the Postfix list, follow the directions on the Postfix debug page: http://www.postfix.com/DEBUG_README.html. In addition, lose the Top Posting technique. I can assure you it will not be appreciated there. Specifically: Reporting problems to postfix-us...@postfix.org The people who participate on postfix-us...@postfix.org are very helpful, especially if YOU provide them with sufficient information. Remember, these volunteers are willing to help, but their time is limited. When reporting a problem, be sure to include the following information. A summary of the problem. Please do not just send some logging without explanation of what YOU believe is wrong. Complete error messages. Please use cut-and-paste, or use attachments, instead of reciting information from memory. Output from postconf -n. Please do not send your main.cf file, or 500+ lines of postconf output. Better, provide output from the postfinger tool. This can be found at http://ftp.wl0.org/SOURCES/postfinger. If the problem is SASL related, consider including the output from the saslfinger tool. This can be found at http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/. I use Windows Live Mail via Postfix all the time. I know it works quite well. You probably do not have SASL or some other simple thing configured incorrectly. This is not a Windows Live Mail problem. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ The latest toy has just hit the shops - a talking Muslim doll. Nobody knows what the hell it says because no one's got the balls to pull the cord. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
On 16/03/2011 21:44, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Therefore, Matthew Seaman can't be trusted with his answer. He apparently did not boot a ZFS-on-root disk with a freebsd-update from 8.0 to 8.1, or he would not have said what he did. Gee. Thanks. I suggest you try out your update in a VM then, because I doubt anyone will produce an answer definitive enough for you. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Upgrading FreeBSd when using a zfs-only installation?
Matthew == Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk writes: Matthew Gee. Thanks. Well, either you're not describing your actual experience, or I've misunderstood. I'm open to input. Are you trying to tell me that you were able to go from 8.0 to 8.1, using freebsd-update, with a ZFS-on-root boot? Or were you just saying well, it *should* work, because it my experience it didn't. Matthew I suggest you try out your update in a VM then, because I doubt anyone Matthew will produce an answer definitive enough for you. Sure they can. I want someone who actually hacks the ZFS boot code to help me out. How do I reach them? Is ZFS a first-class FS now in the binary builds, or not? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: android phone -pc-ineternet
On 03/17/11 00:39, Mark Felder wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- see above... No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred way of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or start your phone on fire :) I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put much effort into it. Me either. Another project for me to do in the near future. Although my new phone has 2.2 so I have a hotspot now... doesn't help the missus who really needs it though :( As for the OP- we still need clarification. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: android phone -pc-ineternet
On 03/17/11 07:04, ajtiM wrote: On Wednesday March 16 2011 09:39:11 Mark Felder wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:48:45 -0500, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: IF I understand you correctly here, you need to configure the wifi connection on your phone, and have a wifi access point available. Else- see above... No, he's referring to wired tethering over USB. This is the preferred way of tethering to your phone because it doesn't drain your battery or start your phone on fire :) I've not had success with it on FreeBSD but I must admit I haven't put much effort into it. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I want to connect a phone with usb to PC and use Internet through PC. At work Itried on MAC compuer and it easy but onn FreeBSD I don't know how. I don't have wirelless at home and I like to use wired... To do so you'd have to have a rooted Android system to change the routing. They're not designed to operate like that. As for the driver- I posted before that its a project to do... BTW can anyone confirm 8.3 release date and driver support for iPhone and/or Android? Although I'm reasonably sure iPhone uses a very different method than Android from my research. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
On 03/17/11 04:38, David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Chad Perrinper...@apotheon.com wrote: It's certainly true that video is a bit of a sticky widget with regard to open standards. The moment someone develops something that is verifiably free of patent encumbrances for video and doesn't just *suck*, I expect that either it will achieve escape velocity in mere moments to become the most widely deployed type of video in the world, or the guy who created it will die under mysterious circumstances and his heirs will somehow arrange to dummy up a patent application in his name with the help of whoever's going to buy the patent from those heirs. The problem is it'd have to be someone who's unemployed. ;) Any software company is going to want to patent something that valuable; they'd be failing their shareholders if they didn't. Except a private company. We may just have to wait for the patents to expire on some older but still viable codecs, much like eventually happened with GIF. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: HAL must die!
On 03/17/11 01:27, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Jerry on Wednesday, 16 March 2011: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:29:25 + Matthew Seamanm.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk articulated: On 16/03/2011 00:37, Jerry wrote: Microsoft has approximately 90% of the desktop market share with everyone else dividing up the remainder. If you are on a Microsoft platform you use their products. The same applies to other platforms and their utilities. Microsoft may once have had 90% of the desktop market -- but is that still true? Macs seem to be everywhere nowadays. Also, how important is 'desktop' nowadays, compared to mobile browsers and the like? If the iPhone doesn't support Flash, then anyone with any sense is going to provide an HTML5 alternative. There are numerous sites with purport to state the latest statistics on OS usage, etc. This is just one that I have used before. I obviously cannot verify its accuracy. As far as I can tell, it is an impartial assessment. http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 That's interesting and all, but what does such a sampling really tell you? By contrast, if I look at Google Analytics for the OS makeup of visitors to chipstips.com, I get only 50% Windows, 44% Mac, 5% Linux, and 1% Android. (I'm not sure where *BSD gets classified in that scheme). BSD/Unix would either be compiled in with linux, or in the other category- usually the former, especially given the linux compatibility which gets used more than native for browsers. So the number you pay attention to is the number that applies to what you're trying to find out. If you're looking at trends for investment, then you need to look at growth/shrinkage rather than fixed market share. If you're wondering how you should target your applications, then look at usage (and growth) within your target user base (which may or may not include home or small business users, for example). How you obtain those numbers has to vary depending. I don't have hard data to back it up, but it seems to me that an awful lot of Windows users are such merely due to inertia. More technologically inclined users (a growing segment) tend (but not exclusively) to prefer other platforms. At least, that's what I'm seeing among my clients, readers, and associates. But as mentioned in another post, the more technical may play with their UA settings to achieve compatibility. The trends would show a large number of mobile users due to a tablet boom- which most appear to be ignoring. Better to stick to recognised standards and be aware of the legal implications of failing to recognise the _whole_ community- if someone with disabilities can sue government entities and win on accessibility arguments, then the same would be true of platforms for interaction. Take a hint- it'll be cheaper in the long run... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
