Xorg error: New athlon laptop, radeonhd video - unable to load fbdev

2011-12-19 Thread Da Rock
I hate to come with this kind of a query, but my googling hasn't come 
across a satisfactory answer.


I'm running an install on a brand new laptop for a client, and I'm 
trying to get X up using xdm- nothing. The logs says it failed to load 
fbdev because there is no data module.


I try uninstalling fbdev and running a rebuild of xorg- its still using 
the builtin configuration and still can't load fbdev. No devices detected.


I run Xorg -configure, and it shows the radeon card fine, 2 displays. 
Still working with the config file, but it seems fine.


WTF? This is essentially the same hardware as another laptop I've setup 
(same video card - same brand CPU, just bigger and faster), and its 
fine. Both are AMD, the original is athlon dual core, the new is phenom 
quad core.


The googling failed as my searches came up with either root has access 
and user doesn't, or mixed intel/ati. Neither are the case here...


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Re: Xorg error: New athlon laptop, radeonhd video - unable to load fbdev

2011-12-19 Thread Da Rock

On 12/19/11 21:31, Da Rock wrote:
I hate to come with this kind of a query, but my googling hasn't come 
across a satisfactory answer.


I'm running an install on a brand new laptop for a client, and I'm 
trying to get X up using xdm- nothing. The logs says it failed to load 
fbdev because there is no data module.


I try uninstalling fbdev and running a rebuild of xorg- its still 
using the builtin configuration and still can't load fbdev. No devices 
detected.


I run Xorg -configure, and it shows the radeon card fine, 2 displays. 
Still working with the config file, but it seems fine.
correction - its dual display issue that I've never had trouble with 
before (I also have installed on a HTPC with same memory, phenom quad 
core, uses a radeon HD card and a NVidia HD card). And no, the Xorg 
-config /root/xorg.conf.new [-retro] doesn't work as it is locking up 
and I can't even ctl-alt-backspace, I have to acpi power off to shut the 
system down. Google's still not giving me any hope... :( Last time I 
came across this level of issue was with a solo vintage intel card on 
yet another laptop- it froze the system too.


BTW, who says multicard vga is rare?
WTF? This is essentially the same hardware as another laptop I've 
setup (same video card - same brand CPU, just bigger and faster), and 
its fine. Both are AMD, the original is athlon dual core, the new is 
phenom quad core.


The googling failed as my searches came up with either root has access 
and user doesn't, or mixed intel/ati. Neither are the case here...


Cheers
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Re: Legacy releases of freeBSD

2011-12-19 Thread Bill Tillman
I think we understand why you're looking for older versions, there might even 
be a copy of 3.5 out there somewhere but as I recall the latest version was 3.3 
sometime in 2001. I have an old CD around here somewhere with 4.9 but I think 
others as well would encourage you to use the latest version and then read the 
handbook which comes with FreeBSD. There is a section in the docs which is 
titled For People New to Unix which is just as good for the new versions as 
it was for the old versions. Why limit yourself with an old version.




From: Vong Bui vong...@embarqmail.com
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:00 PM
Subject: Legacy releases of freeBSD

Hello,
I am trying to learn Unix by using freeBSD and wanted to obtain an older 
version of freeBSD, such as version 3.5, to accompany a book about freeBSD 
published around 1999. Can you point me to where the iso images can be found, 
if they are available for download.

Thank you

-- Vong Bui
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Re: HP LaserJet Pro P1102 stops responding after a while

2011-12-19 Thread Bill Tillman






From: Jeff Tipton jef...@mail.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: HP LaserJet Pro P1102 stops responding after a while

But what I do find is that my laser printer also goes into sleep mode to save
power and life...which is a good thing. And most of the time when it does
the lpd deamon stops working as well. When I check the status with lpq it
tells me there is no deamon present. I just stop lpd and restart it to get
things working again and all is fine. I am a real paperless type of person
these days so I hardly ever print anything. I often turn my printer off for
weeks, even months at a time and then when I turn it back on most of the
time the the above scenario happens. On rare occassions the lpd deamon
works fine without having to restart it. But most of the time a restart of
lpd is required. Your setup using CUPS and SAMBA may not be the same.
Hi,

I put HP LaserJet Pro P1102 on a CUPS server with Samba. I followed the steps 
as shown here:
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=21312

except I have 7.4-RELEASE, so I recompiled the kernel without ulpt device as 
suggested in foo2zjs site (INSTALL notes on FreeBSD 7), and the printer is now 
on ugen0.1.

After installation, the printer became available in CUPS, I could print a test 
page, then I exported CUPS and WINDOWS postscript drivers to Samba with 
cupsaddsmb.

Then I added the printer on some Windows XP workstations, and the shared driver 
installed automatically as expected.

The problem is that after some idle minutes, the printer stops responding. The 
job just disappears from the queue, but nothing prints. The same thing on the 
CUPS web interface. If I restart cupsd, the printer prints again. But as soon 
as try printing from another workstation, it's again silent. Really weird.

I found in the HP manual that it has an economic usage feature that by 
default is set to switch the printer off after 5 minutes being idle. The 
printer should switch on again when a new job is sent. This can be disabled but 
only with a native HP driver (don't really understand where it happens -- on 
the host the printer is attached to or within the printer's firmware). I tried 
to install the HP Windows driver on a workstation, attached the printer 
directly to it, disabled the switching off, sent a job from there as told in 
the manual but it didn't help. But maybe the 'economic usage feature' isn't the 
reason.

Any ideas of what could be wrong?
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I cannot say this for sure about your setup because mine is a little different.
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Re: .config

2011-12-19 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 30 November 2011 14:03, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:40:19 -0500, ill...@gmail.com wrote:
 A dirty workaround might be to link /.config
 to something innocuous.  One could obvio-
 usly also have /.config mounted as a tmpfs(5).
 So it couldn't persist from boot to boot.

 The cleanest solution is to forgo qt/kde, but
 then you're slightly more limited in what you
 can use for office-type stuff.

 The question remains:

 How is a user-started process (e. g. when you run
 the startx command) supposed to create directory
 entries and files on root level /, a thing that
 only root and root-like users (and programs!)
 should be allowed to?

        % mkdir /.config
        mkdir: /.config: Permission denied

 As a normal user, you _intendedly_ can't do this.
 Why would you assume that a program you start
 can do it?

I don't have any QT/KDE stuff but isn't kdm suid
( owned by root)?
There're likely a couple of others in that whole
mess, as well.

 Creating such data structures in a _user_ directory
 is completely okay. But in / it simply sounds WRONG.
 Sorry. JUST PLAIN WRONG!


This I agree with wholeheartedly.

When I first moved to UFS2, the presence of the
heretofore unknown .snap directories gave me
a bit of a paranoid moment.

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Need to know the compatibility

2011-12-19 Thread Vijayamurugan.Kalyanasundaram
Hi Team,

Kindly let me know on the compatibility of  Intel X520 Dual Port 10 Gigabit 
Ethernet PCIe Adaptor Card  with Free BSD 8.2 OS.

This is an urgent requirement for our development project. Please provide us 
the information at the earliest.

Thanks  Regards,
Vijay K
Extn : 785-4581

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Re: Xorg error: New athlon laptop, radeonhd video - unable to load fbdev

2011-12-19 Thread Warren Block

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011, Da Rock wrote:


On 12/19/11 21:31, Da Rock wrote:
I hate to come with this kind of a query, but my googling hasn't come 
across a satisfactory answer.


I'm running an install on a brand new laptop for a client, and I'm trying 
to get X up using xdm- nothing. The logs says it failed to load fbdev 
because there is no data module.


I try uninstalling fbdev and running a rebuild of xorg- its still using the 
builtin configuration and still can't load fbdev. No devices detected.


I run Xorg -configure, and it shows the radeon card fine, 2 displays. Still 
working with the config file, but it seems fine.
correction - its dual display issue that I've never had trouble with before 
(I also have installed on a HTPC with same memory, phenom quad core, uses a 
radeon HD card and a NVidia HD card). And no, the Xorg -config 
/root/xorg.conf.new [-retro] doesn't work as it is locking up and I can't 
even ctl-alt-backspace, I have to acpi power off to shut the system down. 
Google's still not giving me any hope... :( Last time I came across this 
level of issue was with a solo vintage intel card on yet another laptop- it 
froze the system too.


BTW, who says multicard vga is rare?


Some newer laptops have dual GPUs, an onboard Intel combined with one 
from another vendor for higher performance.  There's hot-switching 
between the two, but AFAIK it's not supported in FreeBSD.  There may be 
a BIOS option to disable one or the other.  There should still be two 
video outputs.


More than one video card at a time is a different issue, which is also 
unsupported on FreeBSD AFAIK:

(WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
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Re: .config

2011-12-19 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:48:23 -0500, ill...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 30 November 2011 14:03, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
  On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:40:19 -0500, ill...@gmail.com wrote:
  A dirty workaround might be to link /.config
  to something innocuous.  One could obvio-
  usly also have /.config mounted as a tmpfs(5).
  So it couldn't persist from boot to boot.
 
  The cleanest solution is to forgo qt/kde, but
  then you're slightly more limited in what you
  can use for office-type stuff.
 
  The question remains:
 
  How is a user-started process (e. g. when you run
  the startx command) supposed to create directory
  entries and files on root level /, a thing that
  only root and root-like users (and programs!)
  should be allowed to?
 
         % mkdir /.config
         mkdir: /.config: Permission denied
 
  As a normal user, you _intendedly_ can't do this.
  Why would you assume that a program you start
  can do it?
 
 I don't have any QT/KDE stuff but isn't kdm suid
 ( owned by root)?

That could be the reason: kdm, belonging to the
KDE world and quite probably using Qt, running
with the permissions to access /.

You could temporarily try to disable kdm and
replace it by xdm, or no display login manager
at all. In that case, /.config shouldn't appear
anymore.




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Re: Xorg error: New athlon laptop, radeonhd video - unable to load fbdev

2011-12-19 Thread Da Rock

On 12/20/11 03:05, Warren Block wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011, Da Rock wrote:


On 12/19/11 21:31, Da Rock wrote:
I hate to come with this kind of a query, but my googling hasn't 
come across a satisfactory answer.


I'm running an install on a brand new laptop for a client, and I'm 
trying to get X up using xdm- nothing. The logs says it failed to 
load fbdev because there is no data module.


I try uninstalling fbdev and running a rebuild of xorg- its still 
using the builtin configuration and still can't load fbdev. No 
devices detected.


I run Xorg -configure, and it shows the radeon card fine, 2 
displays. Still working with the config file, but it seems fine.
correction - its dual display issue that I've never had trouble with 
before (I also have installed on a HTPC with same memory, phenom quad 
core, uses a radeon HD card and a NVidia HD card). And no, the Xorg 
-config /root/xorg.conf.new [-retro] doesn't work as it is locking up 
and I can't even ctl-alt-backspace, I have to acpi power off to shut 
the system down. Google's still not giving me any hope... :( Last 
time I came across this level of issue was with a solo vintage intel 
card on yet another laptop- it froze the system too.


BTW, who says multicard vga is rare?


Some newer laptops have dual GPUs, an onboard Intel combined with one 
from another vendor for higher performance.  There's hot-switching 
between the two, but AFAIK it's not supported in FreeBSD.  There may 
be a BIOS option to disable one or the other.  There should still be 
two video outputs.


More than one video card at a time is a different issue, which is also 
unsupported on FreeBSD AFAIK:

(WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
It appears that it is something that needs to be resolved pretty quickly 
then. The linux guys jumped on it quick as (I'm not ribbing by the way) 
- probably their guys came across it sooner than BSD users.


What has thrown me is the fact that I didn't even consider it as a 
problem because I already had installed on a dual video system- ATI card 
and NVidia onboard, both that will work on a linux system, and that FBSD 
has no problem like this either; it just works. Weird...


So what are my options then? I have 2 high performance cards I can't 
use? VESA is not exactly an exciting solution - or secure: it somehow 
retains the image displayed in memory, and shows it as it loads up X the 
next time.

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Re: .config

2011-12-19 Thread ajtiM
On Monday 19 December 2011 12:43:42 Polytropon wrote:
 On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:48:23 -0500, ill...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 30 November 2011 14:03, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
   On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:40:19 -0500, ill...@gmail.com wrote:
   A dirty workaround might be to link /.config
   to something innocuous.  One could obvio-
   usly also have /.config mounted as a tmpfs(5).
   So it couldn't persist from boot to boot.
   
   The cleanest solution is to forgo qt/kde, but
   then you're slightly more limited in what you
   can use for office-type stuff.
   
   The question remains:
   
   How is a user-started process (e. g. when you run
   the startx command) supposed to create directory
   entries and files on root level /, a thing that
   only root and root-like users (and programs!)
   should be allowed to?
   
  % mkdir /.config
  mkdir: /.config: Permission denied
   
   As a normal user, you _intendedly_ can't do this.
   Why would you assume that a program you start
   can do it?
  
  I don't have any QT/KDE stuff but isn't kdm suid
  ( owned by root)?
 
 That could be the reason: kdm, belonging to the
 KDE world and quite probably using Qt, running
 with the permissions to access /.
 
 You could temporarily try to disable kdm and
 replace it by xdm, or no display login manager
 at all. In that case, /.config shouldn't appear
 anymore.

I don't know because I don't use kdm and I don't see that kdm running. I have 
ksplah but not kdm and I have or re-create directory if I deleted in:
/
/root
and in the user directory which should be. And it is happened when I start kde 
with 'startx as user and .config isd recreated evrywhere..
In .xinitrc I have just:
PATH=/usr/local/kde4/bin:$PATH  
 
export PATH 
 
startkde


Mitja

http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa
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BWN Driver

2011-12-19 Thread Chris Brennan
I've got an HP Pavillian laptop with a Broadcom BCM4312 card. Below is
what I've loaded so far and the result from /var/log/messages.


[root@blackdragon ~]# kldstat | grep bwn
141 0x82035000 28a9abwn_v4_ucode.ko
191 0x8205e000 2982cif_bwn.ko
201 0x82088000 6183 siba_bwn.ko
[root@blackdragon ~]#


Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: 1394 Open Host Controller
Interface mem 0xc7f5-0xc7f507ff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci1
Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: [ITHREAD]
Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: OHCI version 0.0 (ROM=0)
Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: invalid OHCI version
Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: fwohci_init failed with err=6
Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: device_attach: fwohci0 attach returned 5
Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: siba_bwn0: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g
Wireless mem 0xfc00-0xfc003fff irq 23 at device 0.0 on pci8
Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0 on siba_bwn0
Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0: WLAN (chipid 0x4312 rev 15) PHY
(analog 6 type 5 rev 1) RADIO (manuf 0x17f ver 0x2062 rev 2)
Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0: DMA (64 bits)
Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0: Using 1 MSI messages
Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0: [FILTER]

I get a nice bwn0 device with ifconfig, but I am unable to do anything
with it and the little blue light on the front of my laptop stays red,
even after playing with the switch for my Wireless device. I've gotten
it to work in linux but not reliably and of course it does work in Windows.
So I am a bit stumped as to what is wrong or what I am missing.

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Re: BWN Driver

2011-12-19 Thread Chris Brennan
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Ramiro Caso ramirocas...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, I have the same card, so maybe I can help. Some Broadcom chipsets
 are LP (low power) PHY, so you have to load bwn_v4_lp_ucode instead of
 bwn_v4_ucode. That worked for me. You may want to check the man page
 for bwn, just to be sure.


I tried this as well, still no blue light.

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Re: BWN Driver

2011-12-19 Thread Ramiro Caso
2011/12/19, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net:
 I've got an HP Pavillian laptop with a Broadcom BCM4312 card. Below is
 what I've loaded so far and the result from /var/log/messages.

Hi, I have the same card, so maybe I can help. Some Broadcom chipsets
are LP (low power) PHY, so you have to load bwn_v4_lp_ucode instead of
bwn_v4_ucode. That worked for me. You may want to check the man page
for bwn, just to be sure.

Best,
Ramiro



 [root@blackdragon ~]# kldstat | grep bwn
 141 0x82035000 28a9abwn_v4_ucode.ko
 191 0x8205e000 2982cif_bwn.ko
 201 0x82088000 6183 siba_bwn.ko
 [root@blackdragon ~]#


 Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: 1394 Open Host Controller
 Interface mem 0xc7f5-0xc7f507ff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci1
 Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: [ITHREAD]
 Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: OHCI version 0.0 (ROM=0)
 Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: invalid OHCI version
 Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: fwohci0: fwohci_init failed with err=6
 Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: device_attach: fwohci0 attach returned 5
 Dec 19 19:10:53 blackdragon kernel: siba_bwn0: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g
 Wireless mem 0xfc00-0xfc003fff irq 23 at device 0.0 on pci8
 Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0 on siba_bwn0
 Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0: WLAN (chipid 0x4312 rev 15) PHY
 (analog 6 type 5 rev 1) RADIO (manuf 0x17f ver 0x2062 rev 2)
 Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0: DMA (64 bits)
 Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0: Using 1 MSI messages
 Dec 19 19:10:54 blackdragon kernel: bwn0: [FILTER]

 I get a nice bwn0 device with ifconfig, but I am unable to do anything
 with it and the little blue light on the front of my laptop stays red,
 even after playing with the switch for my Wireless device. I've gotten
 it to work in linux but not reliably and of course it does work in Windows.
 So I am a bit stumped as to what is wrong or what I am missing.

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Re: Xorg error: New athlon laptop, radeonhd video - unable to load fbdev

2011-12-19 Thread Warren Block

On Tue, 20 Dec 2011, Da Rock wrote:

Some newer laptops have dual GPUs, an onboard Intel combined with one from 
another vendor for higher performance.  There's hot-switching between the 
two, but AFAIK it's not supported in FreeBSD.  There may be a BIOS option 
to disable one or the other.  There should still be two video outputs.


More than one video card at a time is a different issue, which is also 
unsupported on FreeBSD AFAIK:

(WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
It appears that it is something that needs to be resolved pretty quickly 
then. The linux guys jumped on it quick as (I'm not ribbing by the way) - 
probably their guys came across it sooner than BSD users.


What has thrown me is the fact that I didn't even consider it as a problem 
because I already had installed on a dual video system- ATI card and NVidia 
onboard, both that will work on a linux system, and that FBSD has no problem 
like this either; it just works. Weird...


It's difficult to tell what you're saying.  It's possible that multiple 
cards would work in some combinations, and just that the ones I tried 
did not.  Also, you're talking about two systems, a laptop and a 
desktop.  So it would be good to get some specifics, like laptop brand 
and model, whether the desktop dual-card setup worked with FreeBSD (and 
which version of FreeBSD).

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Re: Xorg error: New athlon laptop, radeonhd video - unable to load fbdev

2011-12-19 Thread Da Rock

On 12/20/11 14:33, Warren Block wrote:

On Tue, 20 Dec 2011, Da Rock wrote:

Some newer laptops have dual GPUs, an onboard Intel combined with 
one from another vendor for higher performance.  There's 
hot-switching between the two, but AFAIK it's not supported in 
FreeBSD.  There may be a BIOS option to disable one or the other.  
There should still be two video outputs.


More than one video card at a time is a different issue, which is 
also unsupported on FreeBSD AFAIK:

(WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
It appears that it is something that needs to be resolved pretty 
quickly then. The linux guys jumped on it quick as (I'm not ribbing 
by the way) - probably their guys came across it sooner than BSD users.


What has thrown me is the fact that I didn't even consider it as a 
problem because I already had installed on a dual video system- ATI 
card and NVidia onboard, both that will work on a linux system, and 
that FBSD has no problem like this either; it just works. Weird...


It's difficult to tell what you're saying.  It's possible that 
multiple cards would work in some combinations, and just that the ones 
I tried did not.  Also, you're talking about two systems, a laptop and 
a desktop.  So it would be good to get some specifics, like laptop 
brand and model, whether the desktop dual-card setup worked with 
FreeBSD (and which version of FreeBSD).
NP. I thought I was clear, but I'm not always coherent when I 
communicate (apparently... just ask the missus :) ).


The laptop is a compaq cq62 with a quad core phenom and a ATI 4200 
Radeon mobility GPU, as well as 6300 GPU.


The HTPC/desktop is a whitebox quad core phenom on a ASUS MB (not 100% 
sure which) with a NVidia onboard pcie GPU, and an ATI Radeon 3450. 
There could be yet another GPU on there, but I can't remember.


That system is running 8.x FBSD (1 or 2- can't quite remember), and the 
laptop I'm installing 9.0-RC3 on, with the view to using freebsd-update 
to RELEASE, because of the lack of Atheros 9285 support in 8.x (tried 
for hours, just couldn't get the bird to fly :( ).


From what I understand now, having been able assimilate what has been 
discussed here and through google, it seems there is a conflict when 
dealing with multiple onboard GPUs. What exactly is the issue with 
getting an arbiter for FreeBSD? Aside from time, naturally.

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Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-19 Thread Allen
On 12/13/2011 11:54 AM, Devin Teske wrote:
*Snipping*

 On 12/13/11 06:00, Eric S Pulley wrote:
 As for one big / partition- linux may be using it: and its their
 biggest failing! I've had a system lockup due to lack of space. Never
 a problem with bsd as logs will only fill up var, a user won't break
 it with filling up usr, etc. And root always stays protected! Its
 saved my life a number of times... I can quickly fill TB's of data in
 no time, and if something goes bang the logs can be a silent killer too. My
 2c's
 anyway...

I didn't know there WERE any Linux distros that still used one root
partition, and one swap... Even Mandriva doesn't do that anymore.

-Allen
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Port, Packages, and Patching, Upgrading

2011-12-19 Thread Allen
Hi,

I've been trying to find info about this, so I'm Hoping someone here
will know about this; I use FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE, and basically, the
normal way I do things, is like this:

I grab the CD, boot, and install the Base System. Once I've booted, I'll
then use one of the two:

pkg_add -r bunch of packages

or

sysinstall  Configure  Packages

Then I go through the menus, and select what software I want, and,
eventually, I'll tell it to start installing.

Now, I've been reading about Ports more and more, and thought about
maybe just using those instead, but even with upgrade_pkg from
bsdaminscripts, I just can NOT seem to upgrade anything.

I'd like to have my system fully patched, but most of the data I find,
is about how to keep ports up to date, and has very little on Packages /
Binaries.

I don't think it matters much why I choose Binary Packages over Ports,
I'm just looking to make sure the emails I get every once in a while on
the root account will FINALLY not have a huge list of stuff that I need
to either delete / uninstall, or upgrade and have no idea how.

I mainly used Linux, so I AM a little more used to everything being
patched at once, like Slackware, where you can type one command and
install patches and stuff to everything you have installed, be it the
Kernel, or an Xterm, or X itself, or Pidgin.

Any of you that use pkg_add and Sysinstall to install packages, can you
maybe describe what you do to install updates, Patches, or just in
general, keep your system patched?

I'd really appreciate that.

-Allen
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Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-19 Thread Da Rock

On 12/20/11 16:08, Allen wrote:

On 12/13/2011 11:54 AM, Devin Teske wrote:
*Snipping*


On 12/13/11 06:00, Eric S Pulley wrote:

As for one big / partition- linux may be using it: and its their
biggest failing! I've had a system lockup due to lack of space. Never
a problem with bsd as logs will only fill up var, a user won't break
it with filling up usr, etc. And root always stays protected! Its
saved my life a number of times... I can quickly fill TB's of data in
no time, and if something goes bang the logs can be a silent killer too. My

2c's

anyway...

I didn't know there WERE any Linux distros that still used one root
partition, and one swap... Even Mandriva doesn't do that anymore.



Fedora for one...
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