Re: Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:47:04 -0500, ill...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe because 20+ years ago I learnt wordstar, so if you grew up on pointin' clickin' you'll be sorely dis- appointed, but I enjoy the jstar mode of editors/joe (or actually editors/jupp, some dif'rence, mostly). Fully agree for text _creation_ (e. g. as LaTeX sources), joe is a very productive environment if you're familiar with the WS/TP interface. Pathetic writer, from siag isn't half bad, but you'll have to build from sources all by your lonesome, it ain't gonna work at first. In this regards using already _ported_ software seems to be easier. I've spend some time here to get a customized version of OpenOffice (german language variant, _no_ KDE, _no_ Gnome, but sadly _yes_ CUPS even though I don't need it due to a perfectly capable PS/PCL printer). Of course, it's not as easy as pkg_add -r de-openoffice anymore. You could install the whole office suite _plus_ the localized dictionary (today missing, needs additional fiddling!) and it worked out of the box. Modern software can be different. :-) Luckily, using Abiword doesn't require that much dependencies. Only some Gtk parts (Gnome parts) are required, but you don't get a full Gnome install for free. The downside is the general inability to simply open /certain proprietary formats/ which libre- open-office have. That's correct - LibreOffice and OpenOffice can even open formats that their native producers can't open anymore, like memory garbage left behind by quick safe and data files from older Word versions which their modern successors refuse to open. As long as text is pure text or at least some kind of markup or macro language, simply using the preferred text editor will be _the thing_. But people often tend to make things more complicated than they are - for themselves and for others. :-) And maybe new problems arise when working through different ISO encodings and UTF... this is where the use of a word processor could avoid problems (if all the required _fonts_ are installed... oh, I'm just substituting one problem with another)... But then I'm a fan of editing writing with a simple editing writing program saving all the font other extraneous formatting nonsense to a proper layout program (the old Aldus PageMaker was nice back in the 1990s, haha): print/scribus might be an option, except that it pulls in every accursed KDE/qt4 thing on Earth. That's a different approach that might even go into the direction of layouting or even DTP. In this case, word processors are the wrong tool. So after all, if it's just people send me some strange 'Word' files and want be to open and maybe change it, a standalone word processor like Abiword looks like the easiest solution. I'd finally like to point to this document which might help to make people aware of _what_ they are actually doing when they're sending memory dumps around: http://en.nothingisreal.com/wiki/Please_don't_send_me_Microsoft_Word_documents Also see the links to Word processors: stupid and inefficient and What has WYSIWYG done to us? at the end of the page. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree?
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:56:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: I don't see a way to force refetch of the actual ports files like distinfo when portsnap thinks the port is up to date. You cansolve the problem of few per-file mismatches by using the traditional CVS approach of updating the ports tree. Only files not matching the current (on-server) content will be updated. For example, if you can predict in which categories errors appear, only update those. Let's assume the problem you experience is only in the ports base directory. Create a file /etc/sup/ports.sup with the following content: *default host=cvsup.freebsd.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress ports-base You can use ports-lang to update the lang category only, or ports-all for the whole tree. Note that incorporating all those small deltas may take some time! An example file with all categories can be found here: /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile Then add this to /etc/make.conf: SUP_UPDATE= yes SUP=/usr/bin/csup SUPFLAGS= -L 2 SUPHOST=cvsup.freebsd.org PORTSSUPFILE= /etc/sup/ports.sup Maybe choose a near mirror for better performance. Now do this: # cd /usr/ports # make update Now according to this example, the base files for /usr/ports will be checked for changes and (being different) will be updated. Also note that this approach sometimes is more current than using portsnap. There might be deltas in the CVS ports tree already that might not be yet in the most current ports snapshot. However, this is an old-fashioned approach; I'm not sure for how long it will work. :-) See man 5 make.conf for details, as well as man 7 ports. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sha-1 Re: Security Incident on FreeBSD Infrastructure
Hello. 2012/11/17 10:04:26 + FreeBSD Security Officer security-offi...@freebsd.org = To FreeBSD Security : FSO -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- FSO Hash: SHA1 What's the state of the art about 'sha-1' digesting with freebsd security? At the least debian seemed to be migratring since 2009: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/48 We need to be prepared for the eventual deprecation of SHA-1, but we do appear to still have time. How much serious shall this be to us? Thank you. -- Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host
On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:10:23 -0800 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: XP itself, when running directly on the hardware, provides its own graphics environment. It should be able to do the same running on a VM with a virtualized keyboard, mouse, and display. Yes, but the virtualised display talks to X as the display backend. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith at...@sohara.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host
On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:10:23 -0800 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: I do not run x11 or any desktop on my 9.0 host. This would be your problem. How so? Surely virtualbox _should_ be able to hand off a VT to the XP guest, for it to use as a keyboard, mouse, and display. (This supposes that the FreeBSD box in question _has_ a keyboard, mouse, and display, and thus has a VT that it can hand off.) Fbsd8 fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com wrote: I have 9.0 installed on my 200gb hard drive, it's configured to use the first 100gb leaving the second 100gb free. I was going to install XP in the second half and have a duel boot config. Then I find out XP has to be install first on the HD ... The easiest solution might be to dd the first 100gb (containing the FreeBSD installation) to the second 100gb, mark the first 100gb as unused, and install XP there if it needs to be in the lowest- addressed part of the disk. Back up the FreeBSD installation first! Mario Lobo l...@bsd.com.br wrote: To access the XP graphics interface, you NEED a graphics environment! XP itself, when running directly on the hardware, provides its own graphics environment. It also does that when running on a VM but it does not provide a graphics environment for the host. It should be able to do the same running on a VM with a virtualized keyboard, mouse, and display. To show a window you need a display that can show it, be it head or headless. To diaplay a head, be it local or remote, the display must be able to handle graphics to properly show the VM screen (head), and like I said, I have no idea on how to do that on a text console screen. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: confessions of a FreeBSD purist
On Sat 2012-11-17 01:28:02 UTC-0500, Matthew Pope (mp...@teksavvy.com) wrote: Could anyone be kind enough to recommend a free, or share their own FreeBSD VM image that has bind pre-configured in a jail, and / or an Apache web server pre-configured in a jail, for a non-commercial site? I'd be very hesitant to use a VM image provided by an untrusted third party. Is there a reason you don't want to build your own? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Security advisory FreeBSD - intrusion incident
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Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree?
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:56:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: I don't see a way to force refetch of the actual ports files like distinfo when portsnap thinks the port is up to date. You cansolve the problem of few per-file mismatches by using the traditional CVS approach of updating the ports tree. Only files not matching the current (on-server) content will be updated. CVSup/csup is deprecated now and shouldn't be used anymore: http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html We should stop advertizing it as a way to update the ports tree. svn or portsnap is the way to go now. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C
Hello, I'm about to upgrade hardware on my desktop and to install FreeBSD 9 on it. I have ASUS P5KPL-C and want to buy a SSD or SATA-III 6Gb/s drive for it. Please advise me: * does it make sense to buy SSD drive for a mb that supports 4x SATA 3Gb/s (of couse, expecting a possible future mb upgrade)? * if SSD is capable of working at greater speed, will it simply operate on maximum 3Gb/s on P5KPL-C? * the same question for SATA-III 6Gb/s. Will it simply operate on 3Gb on my mb? * How will FreeBSD 9 behave in such situations? Any special tweaking needed? Thank you very much for your explanations, Sergi M. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:18:41 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote:
Polytropon skrev 2012-11-15 10:12:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote:
Hello
I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me.
My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little
older hardware is very long.
Why not use the binary install method (pkg_add -r)? The default options
should work fine.
Maybe I'll try that. I never got into packages, I always ended up
compiling dependencies anyway so I dropped it ;-)
I'm compiling ports once, on my main box, then using pkgng to build
binary packages ('pkg create').
These packages are on an NFS share, which the other machines use with
'pkg add your binary'. As an example, libreoffice-3.5.7.txz installed
(with 28 not-already-installed dependencies pulled in automatically from
the same directory) in *56 seconds*. The main box has 3GB RAM, the second
has 1MB.
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packge options
How do I find out what options were used when the pre-built packages were built? For example, say I want to install the Postfix package, how can I find out if TLS support is included in the package? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: packge options
On 17 November 2012 12:44, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: How do I find out what options were used when the pre-built packages were built? For example, say I want to install the Postfix package, how can I find out if TLS support is included in the package? For instance: http://www.freshports.org/mail/postfix/ includes a list of options their defaults, which is what I'd assume pre-built packages are using, with the caveat that these may have changed since the package was built last. Generally, though, they add a number after an underscore to indicate changes in libraries or functionality. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C
On 17 November 2012 12:26, Snow Mountains snow.mountain...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm about to upgrade hardware on my desktop and to install FreeBSD 9 on it. I have ASUS P5KPL-C and want to buy a SSD or SATA-III 6Gb/s drive for it. Please advise me: * does it make sense to buy SSD drive for a mb that supports 4x SATA 3Gb/s (of couse, expecting a possible future mb upgrade)? If you want SSD, by all means. For me the price/benefit ration is definitely not there. For you, perhaps different. * if SSD is capable of working at greater speed, will it simply operate on maximum 3Gb/s on P5KPL-C? Yes, it will simply use the slower speed of the controller. * the same question for SATA-III 6Gb/s. Will it simply operate on 3Gb on my mb? Yes. * How will FreeBSD 9 behave in such situations? Any special tweaking needed? I wouldn't expect any special behaviour, though you need to take care with block alignment. Perhaps in the future FreeBSD will have a blocksize/erase-blocksize aware formatting partitioning tool(s), but at the moment, you need to make sure those are correctly aligned if you want good performance from 4k blocksize drives ( SSDs will probably still need to be aligned to whatever the erase block size is). Good luck. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
zio_trim counter
Please CC me as I am not subscribed. Hello, I installed CURRENT on a new Thinkpad equipped with a Samsung 830 SSD: ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: SAMSUNG SSD 830 Series CXM03B1Q ATA-9 SATA 3.x device ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 122104MB (250069680 512 byte sectors: 1H 63S/T 16383C) ada0: Previously was known as ad4 as the setup is ZFS+GELI based (on ada0), I enabled ZFS TRIM support in loader.conf. Interestingly, I encounter an IMHO strange behavior with the stats on that: kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.zio_trim_bytes: 755712 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.zio_trim_success: 97 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.zio_trim_unsupported: 7891 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.zio_trim_failed: 0 It seems unintuitive to me why the unsupported counter first increases (seems to stay constant after that each boot) and then slowly the success counter increases a well. Probably there is a trivial explanation and/or fix for this that anyone is willing to share? If you need further information, let me know. Thanks a lot Johannes ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident]
http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/11/17/143219/freebsd-project-discloses-security-breach-via-stolen-ssh-key This is not about this incident, but about why major opensource projects need to be using a repository that has traceable, verifiable, built-in cryptographic authentication. Any of hundreds of committer and admin accounts could be compromised with the attacker silently editing the repo. The same applies to any of those accounts going rogue. Backtrack diffing from a breach to 'see what changed' is not the ideal option. You really need to be using a strong repo so that any attack on it is null from the start. Another problem is bit rot wherever it may occur... disk, hardware, the wire, EMP and other systems. As it is now, we have no way to verify that what we get on pressed CD's, ISO's, FTP sites, torrents, etc is strongly linked back to the original repo. Signing over a hash of the ISO is *not* the same as including the strong repo hash (commit) that was used to build the release and then signing over that and the ISO. We can't know that our local repository updates match the master. ports.tar.gz has no authentication either. Nor does anything in the entire project that originates from the current SVN/CVS repo... webpages, docs, tools, source tarballs, etc. The FTP packages aren't signed, and there are weak MD5's used in various parts of the install/package tools, mirrors, etc. We can't trade hashes amongst people. It's all just a bunch of random bits that someone may or may not have signed over. And even if signed they still wouldn't be strongly linked back to the master repo. Having such a disconnect at the root of everything you do is simply not good practice these days. And these days, Git is what people and projects are moving to, and its rate of adoption and prevalence have essentially won out over all the rest in the new 'revision control 2.0 world'. And knowing Git is now more or less essential if you want to participate in a wide variety of community development, ref: github, etc. The FreeBSD project needs to be providing both itself, and its users and benefactors with verifiable assurance that its repository, and any copies and derived products, are authentic and intact. Don't argue against such a repository feature, or the cost to move, or bury your head in the sand by saying it could never happen to us... Take this as a real opportunity to lead amongst the major opensource projects like Linux, and among the BSD's (like DragonFly has), and move to Git. Once the root is fixed, you can push out secure distribution and update models from there. It all starts at the root and can't be done without it. https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-fsck.html Verifies the connectivity and validity of the objects in the database http://git-scm.com/about/info-assurance The data model that Git uses ensures the cryptographic integrity of every bit of your project. Every file and commit is checksummed and retrieved by its checksum when checked back out. It's impossible to get anything out of Git other than the exact bits you put in. It is also impossible to change any file, date, commit message, or any other data in a Git repository without changing the IDs of everything after it. This means that if you have a commit ID, you can be assured not only that your project is exactly the same as when it was committed, but that nothing in its history was changed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software) The Git history is stored in such a way that the id of a particular revision (a commit in Git terms) depends upon the complete development history leading up to that commit. Once it is published, it is not possible to change the old versions without it being noticed. The structure is similar to a hash tree, but with additional data at the nodes as well as the leaves. Some references... http://git-scm.com/ https://github.com/ http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?
On 11/16/12 21:38, Warren Block wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: On 11/16/12 12:10, Warren Block wrote: Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add that extra space to the /usr partition. Format the UFS filesystems with -Ut, for soft updates and TRIM support. (Make sure your SSD supports TRIM, almost all do.) (I don't use soft updates journaling.) Use dd(1) to make a zero-filled file on /usr somewhere, say /usr/swap. Make it the size you want swap to be, and do not make it a sparse file. Tell the system to use the swapfile in /etc/rc.conf: swapfile=/usr/swap Use tmpfs for /tmp in /etc/fstab: tmpfs/tmptmpfsrw,mode=0177700 When using the above in /etc/fstab to establish a tmp file, how does the size of /tmp get established? Is it limited only by the available swap, or is it possible to put an upper bound on it that is smaller than swap? e.g. if I built it manually: mdconfig -a -t swap -s 1g -u 1 newfs -U /dev/md1 mount /dev/md1 /tmp chmod 1777 /tmp wouldn't it be limited to 1g of swap space? Gary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C
2012/11/17 ill...@gmail.com ill...@gmail.com: On 17 November 2012 12:26, Snow Mountains snow.mountain...@gmail.com wrote: * How will FreeBSD 9 behave in such situations? Any special tweaking needed? I wouldn't expect any special behaviour, though you need to take care with block alignment. Perhaps in the future FreeBSD will have a blocksize/erase-blocksize aware formatting partitioning tool(s), but at the moment, you need to make sure those are correctly aligned if you want good performance from 4k blocksize drives ( SSDs will probably still need to be aligned to whatever the erase block size is). illoai, thank you for the answer! I'll certainly go with SSD in that case. Could you recommend a reliable document on how to do a correct block alignment for new FreeBSD 9 install? FreeBSD Handbook doesn't mention this at all, although I can find a lot of (not quite consistent) advises on the net on how to do it with gpart/newfs. Sergi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
wine-fbsd64 -- no longer in ports
Looking to update wine-fbsd64: # portmaster -n emulators/wine-fbsd64 === No /usr/ports/emulators/wine-fbsd64 exists, and no information === about emulators/wine-fbsd64 can be found in /usr/ports/MOVED hints? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident]
joerg_wun...@uriah.heep.sax.de You don't even have a name Your domain indicates Germany, please have a chat with CCC.de about the various good uses for nyms. And consult your library for some fine historical use cases. If that's counter to your beliefs, you are free to show us the way and post all your personal infos to the list. spamming a large number of FreeBSD mailinglists with your advocacy? This topic would benefit from the review and involvement of users (questions), committers (hackers), security (security), and distribution (hubs). -- Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) As well summarized by this (your signature) ... sources you can't verify to the master are, also, sources you can't trust. fi...@ukr.net LOL And how will this help Linux? http://lwn.net/Articles/457142/ How will what help Linux? Please quote a relevant snippet instead of the entire message. Seems pretty clear from the above link that having hashes/crypto as an intrinsic feature of the SCM tool does in fact help Linux. If you're asking about distribution of things traceable back to the master repo, at least your security officer can sign the initial repository commit and then include the various distribution keys and subsequent updates, signed tags, etc in the repo. utis...@gmail.com Yes, but git doesn't work with our workflow. There's usually a larger than head sized sandbox near everyone's local neighborhood. Will people elect to visit it, or to learn, grow, and change for the better? Prioe workflow is often forced by and derived from the tools being used. Different tools could enable different, more useful workflows. SVN required workflow change from CVS, people managed just fine. It's been discussed several times I will look for these. Can you point to a couple main threads? [git] ... is GPL btw FreeBSD does not include this sort-of-BSD licensed SCM tool in its base either... # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/LICENSE # ls /*bin/svn /usr/*bin/svn ls: No such file or directory But it does include this GPL licensed one... # http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/cvs/ccvs/COPYING?revision=HEAD # ls /*bin/cvs /usr/*bin/cvs' /usr/bin/cvs And of course we have this in use as well... # perforce http://www.perforce.com/purchase/pricing-licensing So it seems license is not an obstacle to inclusion, and certainly not the use via ports, of any particular SCM with the FreeBSD project. rsimmo...@gmail.com https://github.com/freebsd/ adr...@freebsd.org You can look at what goes into the FreeBSD Git clone to get your assurance that things aren't being snuck in. The same could be said for the CVS clone. Again... Any copy of something that is itself not verifiable provides no such assurance. Those who want to use git can use it, right now. Honest. Yes, Git does seem to me to be leading the other distributed, hash based, SCM tools such as Hg. Thus Git is suggested. Yes, Git would fill the purpose. I only suggest Git, as to some other choices that use hashes (as usual, please verify with current releases)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software But this is not really about using Git in particular... These replies are all dodging around the base issue raised... - That FreeBSD has no verifiable source repo - Which is not only a problem for the repo itself, but for everything attempted to be spawned downstream off of that root (no verifiable distribution system/tools distributing that repo, etc). Sorry to reply to these sorts of replies this way, but please, this isn't a troll or a shed. No need to do that around the issue raised. Hash [ :-) ] it out and solve it. Why wait for a costlier breach? Why not provide the assurance beforehand? No better time than now. g...@ross.cx http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/171-jonathan-corbet/491001-the-cracking-of-kernelorg Yes, another good link outlining the issue. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree?
On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 05:57:40 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: 2012-11-18 05:14, Bernt Hansson skrev: There is a readme file too. ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/README.TXT Which mentions the evil cvsup... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Problem with installing coreutils port
Hello All, I recently had to re-install FreeBSD on my system. I installed FreeBSD-8.3-i386 and successfully managed to install all ports except one - the sysutils/coreutils port. Underneath is the error I get : gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils/work/coreutils-8.20' CCLD src/factor lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x68): In function `str_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0xfa): In function `str_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x180): In function `str_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x26d): In function `str_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv_open' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x290): In function `str_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv_close' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x2bd): In function `str_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv_close' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x303): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x35e): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x3af): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x41b): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x458): In function `mem_cd_iconv': : undefined reference to `libiconv' lib/libcoreutils.a(striconv.o)(.text+0x4d2): more undefined references to `libiconv' follow gmake[2]: *** [src/factor] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils/work/coreutils-8.20' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils/work/coreutils-8.20' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/coreutils. I tried deinstall followed by reinstall of the iconv port. But even that does not solve the problem listed above. Can anyone please point out what might be the error and any possible solution ? I personally think the port is either broken, or the Makefile does not use the correct link options. Thank you -- Regards, Manish Jain bourne.ident...@hotmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident]
On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:59:54 -0500, grarpamp wrote: Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) As well summarized by this (your signature) ... sources you can't verify to the master are, also, sources you can't trust. Unless. of couse, you are able to use the source Luke and spot malicious portions by yourself. This of course is usually possible to subsets only, and mostly to the gurus of our guild. The ordinary user won't be able to do this. fi...@ukr.net LOL And how will this help Linux? http://lwn.net/Articles/457142/ How will what help Linux? Please quote a relevant snippet instead of the entire message. Seems pretty clear from the above link that having hashes/crypto as an intrinsic feature of the SCM tool does in fact help Linux. The article's headline is kernel.org compromised, and the significant part (as of August 2011!) is: Earlier this month, a number of servers in the kernel.org infrastructure were compromised. We discovered this August 28th. While we currently believe that the source code repositories were unaffected, we are in the process of verifying this and taking steps to enhance security across the kernel.org infrastructure. However, this is a Linux problem, not a FreeBSD one, regarding repository infrastructure. utis...@gmail.com Yes, but git doesn't work with our workflow. There's usually a larger than head sized sandbox near everyone's local neighborhood. Will people elect to visit it, or to learn, grow, and change for the better? In many contexts, better _depends_. Prioe workflow is often forced by and derived from the tools being used. That is _one_ (valid!) way to see it. Another way is that tools will be chosen according to established workflows, or tools will adapt those workflows to better support them. Different tools could enable different, more useful workflows. SVN required workflow change from CVS, people managed just fine. If the required programs will be integrated in the OS, accompanied by proper documentation, and the backend infrastructures being instantiated, up and running, I don't see a big problem. Unlike in other OS countries, FreeBSD people are able to adapt to new methods and tools. [git] ... is GPL btw FreeBSD does not include this sort-of-BSD licensed SCM tool in its base either... # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/LICENSE # ls /*bin/svn /usr/*bin/svn ls: No such file or directory But it does include this GPL licensed one... # http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/cvs/ccvs/COPYING?revision=HEAD # ls /*bin/cvs /usr/*bin/cvs' /usr/bin/cvs And of course we have this in use as well... # perforce http://www.perforce.com/purchase/pricing-licensing So it seems license is not an obstacle to inclusion, and certainly not the use via ports, of any particular SCM with the FreeBSD project. As far as I know, FreeBSD team puts much work into getting the OS into a BSD license only state, making it more appealing to commercial use where the (often so called) rape me license BSDL is very welcome. But as for being part of the OS installation, you are right: Whatever tool will be required (or at least suggested) for the purpose of managing CVS-like functionality for sources and the ports collection should be part of the basic installation. That's why pkg_add -r cvsup-without-gui (if I remember correctly) has been the way in the past, but then, a rewrite called csup became part of the default installation, so you could use the known cvs command _and_ have a nice integration with system functionality, like entries in /etc/make.conf and configuration files for _how_ to update sources, ports, documentation and so on (e. g. in /etc/sup, with /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ as examples), so make update would do whatever you wanted. Exactly that kind of productive (!) behaviour is what I would expect (or at least wish) for any replacement of CVS, be it SVN or Git. Sorry to reply to these sorts of replies this way, but please, this isn't a troll or a shed. No need to do that around the issue raised. Hash [ :-) ] it out and solve it. With some salt, please. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident]
On 18/11/2012 05:21, Robert Simmons wrote: Yup: https://github.com/freebsd/ There's also git.freebsd.org. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
