is there any books about network with FreeBSD

2013-05-10 Thread Aric

Hi
  all.
  is there some books about network, such as gateway,vpn,turnnel,bridge!
  the books is more about netwok, no server or the basic Unix telnologic  or 
only a little server and basic command 
 
  thanks !
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Re: X11 screen grabber from cmd line

2013-05-10 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 9 May 2013 20:41:45 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
 Do we have something in the ports which could do a screen shoot of $DISPLAY, 
 but
 from the cmd line of an alpha console, and save it as PNG or JPEG?

% xwd -out screen.xwd
% convert screen.xwd screen.png
-or-
% convert screen.xwd screen.jpg

But if you've got installed ImageMagic (the convert command)
anyway, you can also use

% import screen.jpg
-or-
% import screen.png

For a whole screen capture, xwd -root or import -screen can
be used.


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Re: Downgrading a port

2013-05-10 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 9 May 2013 18:03:22 +0200, b...@todoo.biz wrote:
 I wanted to know if there is a way to simply downgrade a package
 I have installed with pkgng ? 

There is no such thing as a simple downgrade. :-)

The primary goal of the new pkg system is to provide as
bleeding edge possible in binary precompiled form, with
the ability of binary upgrades. Switching to older versions
has not been a direct concern, I think.


 I know that there is portdowngrade, but I will have to reinstall
 all ports architecture to be able to install this. 

Correct. The portdowngrade program relies on the ports infra-
structure and requires you to build things yourself. I think
this will be the easiest way to go.




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Re: X11 screen grabber from cmd line

2013-05-10 Thread Eduardo Morras
On Thu, 9 May 2013 20:41:45 +0200
Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:

 
 Hello,
 
 Do we have something in the ports which could do a screen shoot of $DISPLAY, 
 but
 from the cmd line of an alpha console, and save it as PNG or JPEG?

graphics/scrot, it's exports to png, jpeg and can select a zone interactivitly. 
The command i use is:

scrot -s '%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S.png'


 Thx
 
   matthias

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Re: X11 screen grabber from cmd line

2013-05-10 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 10/05/2013 07:09, Polytropon wrote:
 On Thu, 9 May 2013 20:41:45 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
 Do we have something in the ports which could do a screen shoot of $DISPLAY, 
 but
 from the cmd line of an alpha console, and save it as PNG or JPEG?
 
   % xwd -out screen.xwd
   % convert screen.xwd screen.png
   -or-
   % convert screen.xwd screen.jpg
 
 But if you've got installed ImageMagic (the convert command)
 anyway, you can also use
 
   % import screen.jpg
   -or-
   % import screen.png
 
 For a whole screen capture, xwd -root or import -screen can
 be used.

You're somewhat missing the point here, I'm afraid.  There are many
alternatives for grabbing screen shots from *within* an X session
itself.  What the OP wants is a way to grab a screenshot of an X session
from a different, non-graphical terminal.

Now, if you know the $DISPLAY setting for the screen in question, and
you can wrangle xauth(1) into letting you have access to that display,
then you should be able to run any of the suggested programs from any
separate command line interface on the system.

The xauth(1) man page is reasonably clear, and if you're logged into the
same Unix accout as the user running the display, it might just work
only by setting $DISPLAY appropriately in your environment.

Note that allowing other users to access your X session like this means
they can snoop on anything you do in that session, including recording
any passwords you type and so forth.  Don't give out such access except
to people you trust.

Cheers,

Matthew


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Re: X11 screen grabber from cmd line

2013-05-10 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, May 10, 2013 a las 08:23:45AM +0100, Matthew Seaman escribió:

 You're somewhat missing the point here, I'm afraid.  There are many
 alternatives for grabbing screen shots from *within* an X session
 itself.  What the OP wants is a way to grab a screenshot of an X session
 from a different, non-graphical terminal.
 

Exactly! But, more: the launched tool (which has access via $DISPLAY to
the X server) must grab the screen *without* any further interaction on
the screen (i.e. selecting a region or a mouse click is not an option);

thanks for all the pointers, I will test and see what fits;

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Re: X11 screen grabber from cmd line

2013-05-10 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 10 May 2013 09:29:07 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Friday, May 10, 2013 a las 08:23:45AM +0100, Matthew Seaman escribió:
 
  You're somewhat missing the point here, I'm afraid.  There are many
  alternatives for grabbing screen shots from *within* an X session
  itself.  What the OP wants is a way to grab a screenshot of an X session
  from a different, non-graphical terminal.
  
 
 Exactly! But, more: the launched tool (which has access via $DISPLAY to
 the X server) must grab the screen *without* any further interaction on
 the screen (i.e. selecting a region or a mouse click is not an option);
 
 thanks for all the pointers, I will test and see what fits;

Exactly that's what has been my suggestion (without having been
mentioned): both xwd and import support a -display option.
In case the root window (equals the whole screen) is captured,
no further interaction is required (at least in case of xwd).
This makes it easy to obtain screenshots non-interactively
(e. g. time-triggered) from outside the X session.


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making photoalbums for web pages

2013-05-10 Thread Matthias Apitz

Hi,

I've updated yesterday the laptop of my wife to FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and
ports fromm SVN head, all fine with one exception:

she is used to make photoalbums of the pictures (JPEG) and publish them
on my webserver; she selects in kphotoalbum the pictures she wants (by
clicking them) and the application puts them together, with thumbnails,
to a tree which just goes per SCP -rp to our webserver;

since the update she is without this application because the KDE3
version does not exist in head and the KDE4 version does not compile
even :-(

Is there any other tool for this? I know about webgallery, but this has
not the pre-build phase (selecting images); any other idea?

Thanks

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Re: making photoalbums for web pages

2013-05-10 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:

 Hi,

 I've updated yesterday the laptop of my wife to FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and
 ports fromm SVN head, all fine with one exception:

 she is used to make photoalbums of the pictures (JPEG) and publish them
 on my webserver; she selects in kphotoalbum the pictures she wants (by
 clicking them) and the application puts them together, with thumbnails,
 to a tree which just goes per SCP -rp to our webserver;

 since the update she is without this application because the KDE3
 version does not exist in head and the KDE4 version does not compile
 even :-(

 Is there any other tool for this? I know about webgallery, but this has
 not the pre-build phase (selecting images); any other idea?

 Thanks

 matthias
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Hi Matthias,

I use graphics/burplex to preview / make selects when I'm on the road,
it stores in a text file for easy scripting / batch processing. It's
in the ports tree. If you want to batch process 'quicker' on a
multi-core system you can try dcraw-m and multiraw, which are in gnats
pr at the moment. Otherwise the burplex port runs OK with regular
dcraw.

If you want something more elaborate try graphics/shotwell or
graphics/f-spot I suppose. If she is really into photography she
should check out RawTherapee for sure. But newer version than
currently in ports, I posted an update pr - which installs - but it
needs a little more work. I've been recently creating square
thumbnails manually with gimp and saving full size and thumbnail to
local computer, which has a public ip address. eliminates need to
upload anything :)

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Re: making photoalbums for web pages

2013-05-10 Thread Matthias Fechner
Am 10.05.2013 09:41, schrieb Matthias Apitz:
 clicking them) and the application puts them together, with thumbnails,
 to a tree which just goes per SCP -rp to our webserver;

why not use on the webserver: www/gallery3?



Gruß
Matthias

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Re: making photoalbums for web pages

2013-05-10 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, May 10, 2013 a las 10:25:06AM +0200, Matthias Fechner escribió:

 Am 10.05.2013 09:41, schrieb Matthias Apitz:
  clicking them) and the application puts them together, with thumbnails,
  to a tree which just goes per SCP -rp to our webserver;
 
 why not use on the webserver: www/gallery3?

To make that more clear:

- after downloading the pics from the cam they are stored in dirs of
mmdd, ..., ...

- shed needs some browser based tool to select which of the pictures
from, for example 20130505 and 20130509, should fit into a new set called
somehow 'pictures of the children of my' and would be copied below that
new dir;

the rest could be done with webgallery (by me or scripts); she is not an
informatican;

matthias

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Re: Cdorked.A

2013-05-10 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 09/05/2013 23:12, pete wright wrote:
 On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Joshua Isom jri...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5/9/2013 12:19 PM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
 Hi,

 Is Apache on FreeBSD affected?

 Thanks,

 Technically, Apache isn't the problem.  The hole's in cPanel probably, not
 Apache.  The attackers replace Apache, probably patching the source code and
 replacing the host's with a trojaned copy.  If they're patching the source
 code, then yes, FreeBSD, Windows, OS X, Solaris, OpenBSD, et al are possibly
 infected.

 I am not sure that is the case from the research I have been doing on
 this topic.  For example there are reports of it being detected on
 lighttpd, nginx and systems that do not use cpanel:


 http://www.welivesecurity.com/2013/05/07/linuxcdorked-malware-lighttpd-and-nginx-web-servers-also-affected/


 If anyone has a better rundown of this it would be great if you could
 point me in the right direction.  I am having problems finding a
 proper examination/explanation of this backdoor.
As far as I can follow from the articles I have read the exploit
involves replacing the apache/lighttpd/nginx binary, this should require
root privileges which indicates you have much bigger problems anyway.
As Joshua's reply stated they seem to be patching apache/lighttpd/nginx
so in theory at least cdorked could probably be complied for FreeBSD,
however as yet I haven't heard of any cases of this happening, my guess
at this time would be that the malicious binaries have only been
compiled for Linux since this has a much greater deployed base to attack.


Vince


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Re: making photoalbums for web pages

2013-05-10 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, May 10, 2013 a las 12:59:01AM -0700, Waitman Gobble escribió:

 Hi Matthias,
 
 I use graphics/burplex to preview / make selects when I'm on the road,
 it stores in a text file for easy scripting / batch processing. It's
 in the ports tree. If you want to batch process 'quicker' on a
 multi-core system you can try dcraw-m and multiraw, which are in gnats
 pr at the moment. Otherwise the burplex port runs OK with regular
 dcraw.

Hi Waitmann,

I went to the web side of www.burplex.com... do I understand this right,
that the selected names with their leading dir are just stored in a text
file .selects for further processing? If so, that would be exactly
what I was looking for :-)

Thanks

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with ACPI=on, 9.1-RELEASE shutdown automatically

2013-05-10 Thread Xavier
Hi to all,

About this email subject, on acer Aspire 5634WLMi machine and
9.1-RELEASE OS, FreeBSD shutdown the machine automatically in few
minuts.

How can I debug the reason of the problem ?

Thanks, see you !
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Re: is there any books about network with FreeBSD

2013-05-10 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:32:12 +0800 (CST)
Aric articulated:

 Hi
   all.
   is there some books about network, such as
 gateway,vpn,turnnel,bridge! the books is more about netwok, no server
 or the basic Unix telnologic  or only a little server and basic
 command thanks !

Seriously! For starters, go to http://oreilly.com/ and type in
networking and dozens of potential targets will appear. You can also
use Amazon http://www.amazon.com/, change the search scope to books
and type in network. This certainly isn't rocket science. You could
use http://www.barnesandnoble.com or visit their book store, any
decent book store, (the ones with XXX splashed across the front window
probably not so much) and locate exactly what you want. You probably
will not locate a FreeBSD  Networking for Dummies; however, since
FreeBSD does, at least for the most part, stays consistent with what the
other major operating systems do. Your biggest problem will be locating
drivers for the the newer or high end devices that are constantly
becoming available on the market.

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Re: with ACPI=on, 9.1-RELEASE shutdown automatically

2013-05-10 Thread Eduardo Morras
On Fri, 10 May 2013 12:34:14 +0200
Xavier xavierfreebsdquesti...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi to all,
 
 About this email subject, on acer Aspire 5634WLMi machine and
 9.1-RELEASE OS, FreeBSD shutdown the machine automatically in few
 minuts.

In freebsd-es a similar problem was reported some months ago. The cause is fan 
switch off after startup menu and rising temperature. It looks like ec 
controller problem (Acer doesn't provide documentation about Embedded 
Controller, all is done by try and error and can damage the laptop)

 How can I debug the reason of the problem ?

A not so good wokaround is down the temperature where cpu Hz is adjusted:

#sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1
#sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV=65C
#sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=0

Or downgrade to 8.x


 
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Re: WANTED: Tool to verify installed package/port consistancy

2013-05-10 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
 
 The subject line pretty much says it all.

Additional to other ideas so far,
You could also make a chroot, install normal bins from src,
install all your ports, ^D to exit chroot, then do a compare  strip with eg:
cd chroot ; 
find . -type f -exec cmpd -d {} / \;
# compare  delete http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/cmpd/
find . -type l | xargs rm
find . -type d -depth -exec rmdir {} \; 
find . -type f -print | sort | more

then consider what got trashed, where,  maybe why,
 then reinstall from ports, or crudely
 cd /chroot/var/db/pkg ; tar cf - */+CONTENTS| (cd /var/db/pkg  tar xf -)

PS I find /usr/ports/textproc/mgdiff nice for a visual diff of 2 files.
( if theres lots of small changes in a file )

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Re: is there any books about network with FreeBSD

2013-05-10 Thread Mark
Michael Lucas has published some highly regarded books on Freebsd and 
Networking.  Here is a link to his site https://www.michaelwlucas.com/


Full Disclosure: I have known Michael for many, many years so I am 
somewhat biased but I do use his books and they answer over 95% of my 
questions / problems.


Mark Moellering

On 5/10/2013 1:32 AM, Aric wrote:

Hi
   all.
   is there some books about network, such as gateway,vpn,turnnel,bridge!
   the books is more about netwok, no server or the basic Unix telnologic  or 
only a little server and basic command
  
   thanks !

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Re: making photoalbums for web pages

2013-05-10 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Friday, May 10, 2013 a las 10:25:06AM +0200, Matthias Fechner escribió:
 
  Am 10.05.2013 09:41, schrieb Matthias Apitz:
   clicking them) and the application puts them together, with thumbnails,
   to a tree which just goes per SCP -rp to our webserver;
  
 the rest could be done with webgallery (by me or scripts); she is not an
 informatican;

Hi Matthias A  all,
I've always used /usr/ports/graphics/cthumb
(not saying better or worse or more or less appropriate than other
tools mentioned most of which I don't know, just one more tool you
may want to look at.

I use cthumb ( vi) as shown at ^cthumb line of
http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/bin/.csh/syntax
Then upload with rdist6 -P /usr/bin/ssh 
http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/Distfile
Graphic result:
http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/bauma/2013_04_18/
Preamble to those pics:
http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/bauma/

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Re: making photoalbums for web pages

2013-05-10 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Apologies my last post was multipart/mixed, 
(maybe my mouse skidded to some un-intended option).

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Re: making photoalbums for web pages

2013-05-10 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:02 AM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
 El día Friday, May 10, 2013 a las 12:59:01AM -0700, Waitman Gobble escribió:

 Hi Matthias,

 I use graphics/burplex to preview / make selects when I'm on the road,
 it stores in a text file for easy scripting / batch processing. It's
 in the ports tree. If you want to batch process 'quicker' on a
 multi-core system you can try dcraw-m and multiraw, which are in gnats
 pr at the moment. Otherwise the burplex port runs OK with regular
 dcraw.

 Hi Waitmann,

 I went to the web side of www.burplex.com... do I understand this right,
 that the selected names with their leading dir are just stored in a text
 file .selects for further processing? If so, that would be exactly
 what I was looking for :-)

 Thanks

 matthias
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Hi,

Yes, it is a simple qt4 program which allows the user to quickly
browse RAW or JPEG files and toggle/mark 'selects', which is stored in
a plain text file. This file can easily be fed into a batch-process
command / script. It does *not* offer any other features, such as
sharpening, crop, red-eye, color adjustment, etc. If you use the dcraw
in ports, it does not do 'auto orient', so if your wife is shooting
with this feature disabled on her camera the images _may_ appear
sideways. I have an updated dcraw-m that reads the orientation
information and rotates the preview image, but otherwise it works
fine, it's perfectly usable without it. :)

Also might check out this 'beenie' program that I use to automatically
download cards onto the computer. Basically after a shoot I can stick
in 4 SD cards at once and the software automatically creates folders
with the date, and copies the contents and pre-processes the files. (I
use it for video, I realized I was spending alot of time loading one
card after another and copying the contents, etc). It's more of a
hack-type program, but I've been using it for about a year without
trouble. It would likely need some customization for your specific
system/needs.  https://github.com/waitman/beenie


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Re: Downgrading a port

2013-05-10 Thread Greg Larkin
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On 5/10/13 2:32 AM, Polytropon wrote:
 On Thu, 9 May 2013 18:03:22 +0200, b...@todoo.biz wrote:
 I wanted to know if there is a way to simply downgrade a package 
 I have installed with pkgng ?
 
 There is no such thing as a simple downgrade. :-)

Oh dear, Boromir has something to say about it: http://qkme.me/3uc9zg

 
 The primary goal of the new pkg system is to provide as bleeding
 edge possible in binary precompiled form, with the ability of
 binary upgrades. Switching to older versions has not been a direct
 concern, I think.
 
 
 I know that there is portdowngrade, but I will have to reinstall 
 all ports architecture to be able to install this.
 
 Correct. The portdowngrade program relies on the ports infra- 
 structure and requires you to build things yourself. I think this
 will be the easiest way to go.
 
 
 
 


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9.1-STABLE with xterm-292 oddity

2013-05-10 Thread William Bulley
Recently (last week) I upgraded two systems to 9.1-STABLE.  One system
is i386 and the other is amd64.  The upgrades were done about one day
apart.  While I have not checked every single commit, for the purposes
of this problem, I am assuming these two systems have the same ports,
src, and docs changes applied.  This is how I began these upgrades:

   % cd /usr
   % rm -rf src ports doc
   % svn co svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/9 src
   % svn co svn://svn.freebsd.org/doc/head doc
   % svn co svn://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head ports

Note: these systems are desktop systems, not headless servers.  The
hardware of both systems is nearly identical, in particular, the
graphics card (ATI) is identical on each system.

After each upgrade, I wiped all my ports and rebuilt all the ports
on the list of ports I use on these systems.  While these two lists
are slightly different, the basics are the same in both cases.

I run Xorg on both systems along with open-motif and xterms:

xorg-7.5.2
open-motif-2.3.4
xterm-292

The /var/db/ports/xterm/options files on both systems are identical.

# This file is auto-generated by 'make config'.
# Options for xterm-292
_OPTIONS_READ=xterm-292
_FILE_COMPLETE_OPTIONS_LIST=256COLOR DABBREV DECTERM GNOME LUIT PCRE WCHAR
OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=256COLOR
OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=DABBREV
OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=DECTERM
OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=GNOME
OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=LUIT
OPTIONS_FILE_UNSET+=PCRE
OPTIONS_FILE_SET+=WCHAR

Also the /usr/ports/x11/xterm/work/xterm-292/xtermcfg.h files are the
same on both systems.

The oddity is this: on one system, when I iconify/minimize/close
an open xterm window, the resulting small icon window holds a
pixmap (48x48) that is monochrome.  It resembles an outline drawing
of an old style dumb terminal.  On the other system, when I perform
the same operation (close/iconify an xterm window), the resulting
small icon window contains a color pixmap (48x48) of our Beastie!

While I have an .Xdefaults file in my home directory on both systems,
and there are XTerm resources configured therein, I do not configure
any resources that control xterm icons.  In fact, those .Xdefaults
files are identical in the XTerm resource lines.

I have rebuilt the x11/xterm port on the system with the color Beastie
pixmap for closed/iconic xterm windows using the following steps:

# cd /usr/ports/x11/xterm
# make deinstall
# /bin/rm -rf work
# make install

The results are the same as before, unfortunately.  Interesting enough,
one can see the color Beastie pixmap _inside_ the unstripped xterm
executable on each system using this command:

   % strings /usr/local/bin/xterm | less

The Beastie embedded pixmap appears after scrolling to about the 83%
point (and runs up to about the 93% point) of the strings output.

I am at a loss as to how one system is displaying the unwanted color
pixmap while the other is showing the desired monochrome pixmap.

Any ideas, or suggested avenues for further detective work, on this
issue would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Regards,

web...

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Re: List Spam Filtering

2013-05-10 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi,
 From: Erich Dollansky erichsfreebsdl...@alogt.com 
 Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:33:47 +0700 

Erich Dollansky wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200
 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote:
 
  
  If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
 
 some lists are like this anyway. Why are not all like this?

Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out.

To allow a free-er environment for us than that might first give:
Taking the syntax of majordomo as an example to illustrate an idea in
(I know Freebsd.org moved on to Mailman, but I'm assuming/
hoping Mailman is at least equally as flexible as Majordomo;
 as I'm an administrator for Majordomo lists,  have tried
the idea below  seen it work, I can quote syntax for it correctly)

Given a list eg scsi@freebsd might exist that happended to go from open to
restrict_post = scsi
ie write only for subscribers, it could easily be made eg
restrict_post = scsi questions hackers
So others in eg questions who had occasional scsi specific questions
could be referred to post there without person needing to subscribe to
scsi@ as a regular ( agreed, just hope all respondents CC
the OP, if OP is too lazy/ busy to subscribe eg scsi@).

Most list config files could do that, so it would be equally possible
for eg someone subscribed to hardware@ to answer a question posted
to questions@, even if the answering hardware@ person was not
personaly subscribed to  reading every post to questions@.
questions@ could have a questions.config with something like:
restrict_post = questions hackers current ports scsi etc

Cheers,
Julian
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