Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
Thanks, all. I found a manual online. Jeff On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 Da Rock articulated: On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** config-network-setup.htmlhttp://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html or the man page for ndiscvt: http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8topic=**ndiscvthttp://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8topic=ndiscvt While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) At http://sourceforge.net/apps/**mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.** php?title=Category:USBhttp://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. Indeed :) I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at the time :) I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: Now you have really peaked Piqued. Although it is misused here. Google it. my interest. On any given day, on a Windows based forum, the terms: FreePiss, open-sore, Lsuck etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms like: Winblows, Microsucks, etcetera are freely used. Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why it is morally correct to use one set of terms but not the other? It is either right or it is wrong. You cannot be slightly pregnant. I personally find such terms morally repugnant; however, since they are commonly used on this forum it appears that they are socially acceptable. Would you not concur or are you going to try and bullshit your way out of this one? 1. I didn't say it was morally correct to use one set of derogatory forms and morally incorrect to use the other. You are attributing arguments to me I never made. I just spent a half hour rereading every post on this thread to see if I had inadvertently stated that you had stated in any way that it was morally correct. Guess what, there aren't any such statements. Neither did I make a claim that you supported such actions. I never attributed any such remarks to you. I simple asked for you to explain why it would be morally correct to do so. Your reading comprehensive skills are seriously lacking. The fact that you would spend time to defend yourself against a non-existent claim totally amazes me. Seriously, have you ever been diagnosed with paranoia? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** config-network-setup.htmlhttp://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html or the man page for ndiscvt: http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8topic=**ndiscvthttp://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8topic=ndiscvt While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) I had considered that aan answer, but the device is wifi and the firmware Excuse my ignorance (again) but what does this mean? ...the Firmware... For now I have reverted this machine to Ubuntu; it's just a machine I set up for my wife to browse the net so she can keep her 30,000 pictures on a Windows box virus-free and it's too much hassle to have the belkin thingy sticking out the side trying to get knocked off. (Just as an aside I don't know why there seems to be so much resentment for Ubuntu here, it looks free and open to me, but what do I know?) Anyway, back to the point, I mostly started using PC-BSD because it's more secure than Windows, and because even at my age (retired) I can continue to learn something just for the fun of it, and because... well, it's difficult to express. I've messed with Linux on and off since Debian 1.2, then had to focus hard on Windows so I could get good enough at it to make a living as a Windows desktop tech in a nationwide health care company... now I find myself attracted to PC-BSD, which has the same stated intent, btw, as Ubuntu, to make a desktop that ordinary users (which just about defines me) can use. Excuse the blather. The point: Does anyone think it might be worth the effort to try to run ndisgen on the Windows drivers? makes it damn near impossible to use in this way. NDIS setup is less than user friendly at the best of times without the additional hoops for the firmware loading. I've tried it myself before. __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Daniel Feenberg feenb...@nber.org wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 Da Rock articulated: On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** config-network-setup.htmlhttp://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html or the man page for ndiscvt: http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8topic=**ndiscvthttp://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8topic=ndiscvt While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) At http://sourceforge.net/apps/**mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.** php?title=Category:USBhttp://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. um, well, yeah, but it's a laptop. :/ And I bought it before FreeBSD ever crossed my mind. sigh I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. Daniel Feenberg __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
I have a Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek RTL8191SEvB wireless card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize this card and can't use it, but Ubuntu does. Would it be possible to go glom a Linux driver off the web someplace and install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to work? I'm using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy thing sticking out like it does. Thanks, Jeff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sour grapes .. was FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:41 PM, doug d...@fledge.watson.org wrote: I wish someone with some FreeBSD weight would make this request, but I think this thread got a little off topic. Oh buddy... The main thrust of the FreeBSD project seems to be making the best server OS possible. That I think they do that pretty well. I have long held that to be viable long term in the server game you have to at least be credible in the desktop game. I hope some of the desktop projects will bear fruit in this area. I bought into FreeBSD as PC-BSD and am enjoying it greatly. It beats Windows, for me, and makes considerably more structural sense than the Linuxes I have experienced (Debian and, more recently, Ubuntu.) The boot configuration and directory structure is more comprehensible. If I were not too old and (more to be point) too obsolete technically I would put my efforts where my thoughts lead me. As it is, I use FreeBSD as a desktop because it requires me to get into areas just administering a server farm would never take me. The upsie fpr me is that never crashes. That it works okay on an 800MHz, 500MB old dell server does not hurt either. The pain that comes with that is my choice. I never had the skill and still don't. As users go I'm pretty knowledgeable, and in fact was once a Windows network desktop tech in a big hospital corporation, but as far as writing code and making a serious difference, nope, sorry, I never learned how. That said, FreeBSD has a giant disadvantage in the desktop world. In trying to find if there will be any sort for my current laptop I don't know what your current laptop is, but PC-BSD is running fine on my Sony Vaio VPC-EC2TFX/W1, on my Asus eee, and it runs acceptably on my Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950, although it tend to forget the screen size on that one and need to be reminded from time to time. I came across a comment from Robert Noland saying that Xorg is becoming more and more Linux centric. That is a problem the FreeBSD project can not overcome. Sure it can, the same way Linux got where it is today - get people's interest. I think PC-BSD should help. Or, some FreeBSD project people can contribute to the Xorg project as well... it's not over, we're just where we are. That along with the way Intel does its video drivers makes supporting new stuff non trivial if not daunting. And that, alas, is beyond my ability to even address. Jeff __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: axe(4) and Plugable USB2-E1000 (or: general USB Ethernet advice)
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Rotate 13 rabg...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for a USB ethernet adapter which works with very stable driver in FreeBSD. To effect this end, I went through section 4 man pages, and made list of drivers for USB ethernet chips. The problem is, many are apparently not widely available or in current production - but I found ASIX AX88178 and ASIX AX88772 (axe(4)) in various devices from http://plugable.com/ . I am mostly interested in ASIX AX88178 due to faster speed (albeit limited by USB2 speed). My questions: * Does anybody have good or bad experience with Plugable USB2-E1000 (ASIX AX88178) in FreeBSD? Stability is utmost concern, followed by performance. I note, Amazon.com page for product says also it has Realtek RTL8211CL PHY - I do not understand why, and cannot find info explaining this. Is perhaps slower USB2-E100 with ASIX AX88772 more compatible? * Any advice on rock-solid usage of USB Ethernet in FreeBSD, and pointers to other products will be much appreciated.ss G USB I can't address your other questions, but the Belkin Wireless G USB adapter model FSD7050 is working without fail for me, and last I knew was still on the market. Jeff Thanks in advance. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 395, Issue 10
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:00 AM, freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.orgwrote: Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Matthew Seaman wrote: Message: 9 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:34:02 + From: Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: very small network To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4efed70a.8080...@infracaninophile.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 31/12/2011 04:12, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: I bought into FreeBSD with a DVD of PC-BSD. It's great, but the PC-BSD user manual is not up to the level of the FreeBSD manual. In the latter I have found, as you all suggested, all the necessary information. I haven't set the network up yet but I expect to be able to run both server and client NFS on each machine to enable networking both ways. They are all laptops of one sort or another (Asus eee, Toshiba Satellite, late model Sony Vaio) and it sort of depends on where I sit which machine needs to be client and which server, if that makes any sense. Perfect sense. One thing I'd expect PC-BSD to have (or at least to make easy to enable) is Apple-esque zeroconf networking. That means you should be able to plug a new build machine into your network, and it will discover other machines on the net and give you the ability to mount filesystems, or print to attached printers, and all without having a designated central controlling server. I take it this is the sort of thing you mean by setting up your network? As I look, yes, PC-BSD does have such a thing, and it has a network browser built into it, too. It almost looks like it is designed to use Samba even between BSD machines; does this make sense? This is a very attractive model as it is very simple from the user point of view. You don't necessarily need to have any dedicated servers, although such things as a DHCP server are still useful (I suspect your broadband router probably has that function). On the other hand, it is probably a bit harder to set up than a strict client-server setup with dedicated servers. It is attractive, but I don't see any way to configure exported filesystems other than going back to NFS, which is all right, but I'm trying to understand what this other option might mean to me. The key software requirement here is to set up multicast DNS. There are a number of packages in the ports to do this -- mDNSresponder, howl, but what I'd recommend is avahi as it is best integrated with other software packages. For the shared networking thing, you can use samba between FreeBSD machines, but you'll need to build samba from ports since the AVAHI option isn't enabled by default. As you may know, PC-BSD has a system they call PBI (Push Button Installation) to install pre-built packages via a software manager app on the system. Needless to say, it does not offer all 23K+ ports. There is a .PBI version of Samba; I wonder if it has Avahi enabled by default. Cheers, Matthew Thanks for the help, Jeff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
very small workgroup network
I feel really inferior to the community here, but I have to ask because I simply don't know: What do I need to do to create a small (3 PC-BSD) home network? I could do this in no time in Windows, but I don't know how to find, configure, and enable the files necessary to make these machines talk to each other and allow browsing to shared resources. h The connectivity is in place (each can access the internet.) I've Googled considerably and not found instructions. Just a pointer to instructions on the web somewhere would be fine. Blushing and grateful, Jeff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
