Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD?

2011-06-19 Thread Jurgen Debo
The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too.
The Skype protocol is a closed protocol.  SIP is an open standard.

And about Microsoft ?  Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft
turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security,
privacy or whatever.  They can't make a secured OS, their servers
are nothing compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as
their messenger took ICQ from the market.  And the last one
did piss me off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with
academic people with ICQ.  But Messenger killed this all.

My opinion, when I can get away from Microsoft, I do it.
This company is a complete failure, and I don't belief they will
persist to even exist in a decade due to their policies.

With Microsoft there is ALWAYS a catch.

Jurgen

2011/6/19 Jerry je...@seibercom.net

 On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100
 Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk articulated:

  I think we have to wait for somebody to write a Skype clone and
  hopefully MS taking over Skype will provide the impetus (MS will drop
  the linux port as soon as they can).

 Yes, more FUD. No one, including the OP has ever produced a single
 shred of proof that Microsoft would discontinue support for operating
 systems other than its own. While it certainly has every legal right to
 do so, it would be counter productive to seriously entertain that
 notion. While they would most likely would not produce any binaries
 specific to FreeBSD, but then again, no one else ever did either,
 supplying binaries for Linux would certainly be advantageous. The frame
 work is all ready in place and there does not appear to be any movement
 or reason to disassemble it

 A simple check on the business model of Skype in
 Microsoft's software arsenal would lead one to the conclusion that
 continuing Skype support/development on non-Windows operating systems
 was advantageous. No one has come forth with a suitable thesis to
 dispute those facts although the usual sky is falling from the usual
 naysayers is still prevalent.

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Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD?

2011-06-19 Thread Jurgen Debo
Hello Jerry

2011/6/19 Jerry je...@seibercom.net

 On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:50:44 +0200
 Jurgen Debo articulated:

  The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too.
  The Skype protocol is a closed protocol.  SIP is an open standard.

 Open or closed makes no relative difference to me or the majority of
 users as has been demonstrated numerous time with various software
 titles. The bottom line is does it work and what is the learning curve
 of the product. It has been demonstrated numerous times that the
 majority of end users do not want to invest large amounts of time
 trying to get an application configured and up and running. With the
 exception of the hobbyist, that is virtually always true.


Open source software is not related to the comfort to configure or install
software.
It depends how the software is written.


  And about Microsoft ?  Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft
  turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security,
  privacy or whatever.  They can't make a secured OS, their servers
  are nothing compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as
  their messenger took ICQ from the market.  And the last one
  did piss me off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with
  academic people with ICQ.  But Messenger killed this all.

 I am not sure about this ICQ rant. I never was much for IMs anyway. My
 favorite was Trillian though.


Trillian is not a messenger service.  It is software to run different
accounts
on messenger services.  Same can be done with opensource Jitsi.
As Trillion does not support SIP.


 I have not used it in several years
 though. I am still not sure about your rant regarding messenger vs
 ICQ. ICQ is certainly still in use; I just checked.


It is, but most users did quit. Because the common user is lazy and does use
the Microsoft Messenger.  In this messenger there is no search function etc.



 I have been in various environment and I been exposed to both Linux and
 Microsoft servers. I cannot say with any certainty that BSD servers
 were employed however. In any case, I have never personally experienced
 any appreciable difference. That, of course, is my own personal
 observation. The quality of the server is usually, at least in my own
 experience, directly related to the personnel who are responsible for
 its configuration and maintenance.


If You want to be hacked in no time, trust me, do run Microsoft servers.
And if You are not hacked, it is, You did have luck or You are not running
important websites.



  My opinion, when I can get away from Microsoft, I do it.
  This company is a complete failure, and I don't belief they will
  persist to even exist in a decade due to their policies.

 Please define failure. When you control virtually 90% of the PC
 market, I fail to see how you can call that a failure. They released
 Kinect in advance of *.nix forcing others to play catch-up. To control
 any theater of operations you must get ahead of the curve.


The PC market is NOT the server market.  When people do buy a PC they got
Microsoft software for free.  As related to the security of the OS, you need
to
study the articles on the internet.  I have no time to explain the
difference between
Unix and Microsoft OS. You can read this on the internet.


 While hobbyists love anything not Microsoft, in the medical profession,
 legal profession, etcetera, Microsoft rules. There are highly
 specialized software written for their operating system that simply
 does not exist anywhere else. When it comes to Office Suites, there is
 nothing even remotely close to what Office 10 offers, no matter what
 flavor you prefer. OO tried for over ten years and never even produced
 an Office-97 clone that was anywhere as fully functional as the
 prototype. I have seen grown men and women reduced to tears trying to
 get OO to accomplish what MS Office could easily do. Again, this is not
 a criticism but a simple statement of fact. Before anyone can seriously
 make an attempt to dethrone Microsoft, they have to produce an Office
 Suite that is as fully functional as and compatible with existing MS
 Office products. That is just not going to happen in the foreseeable
 future.


To run programs, it is just fun.  But if You would trace all outgoing
connections
from Your workstations to the internet, if You have no concerns about
security, privacy
and so on, then I can understand Your vision.



 I think this tidbit is rather interesting:

 The German Foreign Office first started using Linux as a server
 platform in 2001 before making Linux and open source software their
 default desktop choice in 2005. Most observers thought the move a
 success. However, the government will now transition back to Windows
 XP, to be followed by Windows 7, also dropping OpenOffice and
 Thunderbird in favor of MS Office and Outlook.


And Russia did recommend recently their citizens to switch to Linux.
Btw from decades, the best hackers were Russians.

If you want Your