Re: PAE causing system crashes

2006-01-18 Thread Michael Barnett

Nopers.  No nfs... nothing at all fancy with the drives except the raid.

-m

On Jan 18, 2006, at 7:03 AM, Ted Wisniewski wrote:

You weren't by chance also using NFS?   I was, all my other 5.x  
systems did
not use NFS and are stable.  I saw this same behavior and wound up  
going back

to 4.11 to keep the system stable.

Ted

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 03:17 pm, Michael Barnett wrote:

To ammend this slightly..  When running the PAE kernel, they will
stay online indefinitely under little to no load.  It is only when i
want them to actually work will they freak out and reboot.

-m

On Jan 17, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Michael Barnett wrote:

I have 3 dell machines with 2x xeon procs, 8G of ram, and a half
terabyte raid 5.  I attempted to run the AMD64 distribution on
these boxes which was fine for everything except mysql, (which is
all these boxes are going to do) so I reinstalled 5.4 i386.

uname -a  looks like (hostname obscured):

FreeBSD myhost.mydomain.com 5.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p9
#2: Mon Jan 16 23:27:12 PST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/
obj/usr/src/sys/SMP-PAE  i386


My problem is, if i don't enable PAE in the kernel, i can only
address half the ram in the boxes, but... the machines are stable.

If i do enable PAE, i can address all the memory, but they randomly
reboot without dumping any errors or logging.

To enable PAE, i am building and booting off the following kernel
config:

snip
include PAE

ident   SMP-PAE

options SMP
options KVA_PAGES=512
/snip

I added the KVA_PAGES options hoping to stabilize the machine
(doesn't seem to have made any difference.)  The only other tuning
i am doing at the moment is in loader.conf:

snip
kern.maxdsiz=2147483648# Set the max data size
/snip

When i boot without PAE I use the generic SMP kernel, and the
machine is stable.

I know that there are a number of other kernel tunables i could be
tweaking, but I am not really sure where to start as the machine
dies silently.  I was hoping that someone who has run a stable PAE
kernel with 8G of ram + could point me in the right direction.

Thanks,

-Michael
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PAE causing system crashes

2006-01-17 Thread Michael Barnett
I have 3 dell machines with 2x xeon procs, 8G of ram, and a half  
terabyte raid 5.  I attempted to run the AMD64 distribution on these  
boxes which was fine for everything except mysql, (which is all these  
boxes are going to do) so I reinstalled 5.4 i386.


uname -a  looks like (hostname obscured):

FreeBSD myhost.mydomain.com 5.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p9 #2:  
Mon Jan 16 23:27:12 PST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/ 
usr/src/sys/SMP-PAE  i386



My problem is, if i don't enable PAE in the kernel, i can only  
address half the ram in the boxes, but... the machines are stable.


If i do enable PAE, i can address all the memory, but they randomly  
reboot without dumping any errors or logging.


To enable PAE, i am building and booting off the following kernel  
config:


snip
include PAE

ident   SMP-PAE

options SMP
options KVA_PAGES=512
/snip

I added the KVA_PAGES options hoping to stabilize the machine  
(doesn't seem to have made any difference.)  The only other tuning i  
am doing at the moment is in loader.conf:


snip
kern.maxdsiz=2147483648# Set the max data size
/snip

When i boot without PAE I use the generic SMP kernel, and the machine  
is stable.


I know that there are a number of other kernel tunables i could be  
tweaking, but I am not really sure where to start as the machine dies  
silently.  I was hoping that someone who has run a stable PAE kernel  
with 8G of ram + could point me in the right direction.


Thanks,

-Michael
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Re: PAE causing system crashes

2006-01-17 Thread Michael Barnett
To ammend this slightly..  When running the PAE kernel, they will  
stay online indefinitely under little to no load.  It is only when i  
want them to actually work will they freak out and reboot.


-m

On Jan 17, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Michael Barnett wrote:

I have 3 dell machines with 2x xeon procs, 8G of ram, and a half  
terabyte raid 5.  I attempted to run the AMD64 distribution on  
these boxes which was fine for everything except mysql, (which is  
all these boxes are going to do) so I reinstalled 5.4 i386.


uname -a  looks like (hostname obscured):

FreeBSD myhost.mydomain.com 5.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p9  
#2: Mon Jan 16 23:27:12 PST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/ 
obj/usr/src/sys/SMP-PAE  i386



My problem is, if i don't enable PAE in the kernel, i can only  
address half the ram in the boxes, but... the machines are stable.


If i do enable PAE, i can address all the memory, but they randomly  
reboot without dumping any errors or logging.


To enable PAE, i am building and booting off the following kernel  
config:


snip
include PAE

ident   SMP-PAE

options SMP
options KVA_PAGES=512
/snip

I added the KVA_PAGES options hoping to stabilize the machine  
(doesn't seem to have made any difference.)  The only other tuning  
i am doing at the moment is in loader.conf:


snip
kern.maxdsiz=2147483648# Set the max data size
/snip

When i boot without PAE I use the generic SMP kernel, and the  
machine is stable.


I know that there are a number of other kernel tunables i could be  
tweaking, but I am not really sure where to start as the machine  
dies silently.  I was hoping that someone who has run a stable PAE  
kernel with 8G of ram + could point me in the right direction.


Thanks,

-Michael
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kernel memory tunables

2006-01-17 Thread Michael Barnett
I am trying to figure out which system tunables determine memory  
resource usage by the amount of available physical memory in the box  
so i can hard code sane values on a system with a lot of memory.


Thanks,

-Michael


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Re: PAE causing system crashes

2006-01-17 Thread Michael Barnett
It ran fine when we were only throwing a few dozen qps at it... when  
we tried to throw about 350qps its way, it was much much slower...  
slower than our existing server with significantly fewer resources  
available.


I never could figure out what the issue was... tried recompiling with  
different options, allocating more and less memory to mysql (really  
to innodb as all our tables are innodb), and a number of system  
tweaks to no avail.


Are you running it on an opteron, or on a xeon?  I have heard things  
go much smoother on AMD hardware.


Anyways.. the damage is done.  We are back on i386 and I just need to  
make it go!Right now i am just running with the stable non-PAE  
kernel that limits access to 4G of memory while i work this out.


-m

On Jan 17, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote:


On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 01:47:30PM -0600, Michael Barnett wrote:

I have 3 dell machines with 2x xeon procs, 8G of ram, and a half
terabyte raid 5.  I attempted to run the AMD64 distribution on these
boxes which was fine for everything except mysql, (which is all these
boxes are going to do) so I reinstalled 5.4 i386.


AFAIK mysql runs fine on amd64, so what was your problem with it?

Kris


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