Usability Of NOCLEAN

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Schultz
Hi,

I'm just curious about the usability of NOCLEAN.  If I've just updated 
world and things are fine with the installation, is it considered safe 
to use NOCLEAN?  A couple updates to libc came in this morning just 
after I installed a fresh world and I'm wondering what others do in 
cases like this.

Thanks,
Pete...
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Re: ACPI causing trouble for X in 5.2

2004-01-17 Thread Peter Schultz
David Cramblett wrote:
Robert Watson wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, David Cramblett wrote:

I have problem with X on 5.2-RC2. Sometimes the whole
system hangs when I start X by startx or 'setpmac mls/equal startx'
(with MAC policies loaded). In about 30% of attempts it hangs on
XFree startup messages and hard reset is required.
The problem occurs a little bit too often for some unrelated
accident and it doesn't occur at all on 5.1-RELEASE (the same
hardware and configuration).
Does anyone have similar problem ?

Yes, see my post from earlier today called "Can't shutdown, logout, or
restart cleanly."  I have not run 5.1-RELEASE before, so I can't say
if it didn't happen there, but it definitely happens with
5.2-CURRENT.  I'm at my wit's end trying to find out why!
Per a post I received on bsdforums.com, try booting up with ACPI turned
off.  This can be done in 5.1 and later by choosing option 2 in the >boot
menu (Boot FreeBSD with ACPI disabled).  Once I did this, it worked >like
a champ.  I'm not sure why earlier versions may not have been affected
by this or if it only affects certain hardware.

Let me know if this worked for you.
I have the same problem on two builds of 5.2, one is a Sony Vaio 
PCG-F360 Laptop (PII 400MHz) and the other is a newer P4 system with 
Asus mother board.  Both worked fine with 5.1 and both broke with 5.2. 
I was able to work around this problem by booting up with ACPI disabled. 
Is there a known issue with ACPI that is being worked on for 5.2 or
did someone already submit a bug report?  Thanks, David


I was seeing this on my Dell Latitude notebook from a couple of years ago
(C600).  I found that the problem "went away" when I switched off either
ACPI or device apic, so it looks like it's basically an interrupt problem
of some sort.  I'm running with the r128 kernel module for DRI, and John
Baldwin suggested that it might be part of the problem.  I've also been
experiencing continuing ATA problems, so it may well be that a combination
of ACPI and apic changes has resulted in improper handling/routing/... of
interrupts on the box.
You might want to check and see if there are any BIOS upgrades available
for your system -- as ACPI support evolves, older systems with more
questionable ACPI sometimes work less well.  A number of vendors have
released BIOS updates to address this.
Seems kinda strange that it would work fine in 5.1 and then break in 
5.2, if it were hardware/bios related.  Keep in mind, one of my systems 
is less than a year old P4 system (you seem to just be referencing my 
older laptop), so were not just talking about old pre-ACPI hardware/bios 
either.  I may be wrong, but it seems something has changed for ACPI 
between 5.1 and 5.2, either in the FreeBSD implementation or in the 
specification that would require a BIOS update on my newer hardware and 
make the older hardware need it disabled.

In November John Baldwin changed how interrupts are handled and this 
shook up ACPI support for a lot of people.  I've created the following 
in an effort to help people sort through the difficulties:
http://bis.midco.net/pmes/acpi.html

Pete...
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