Re: FreeBSD 8.2 Partition Sizing question

2011-09-15 Thread Thomas Mueller mueller6727
I can't really see the rationale for putting / and /usr on separate partitions.

Swap would go on a different partition because it does not use the same file 
system.

I like to put /home on a separate partition, and don't like the idea of 
/usr/home.

I also don't like to put /var and /tmp on separate partitions: problems with 
size and fitting the disk space.

Putting /home on a separate partition allows the whole system to be upgraded, 
even newfs and reinstall, without touching user data.

Tom

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Re: get rel 9.0 iso

2011-09-11 Thread Thomas Mueller mueller6727
I could build one kernel that would support the hardware on both computers, or 
one kernel for each computer.  This would be the USB-stick i386 install.  I 
would also have FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 on the new computer hard drive; would put the 
system source and ports tree on the hard-drive installation.  I might put /home 
together with root and /usr on the main (USB-stick installation) partition.  X 
Window manager would be IceWM.

FreeBSD itself can run comfortably in well under 256 MB RAM.  Resource hogs are 
the big applications: KDE, GNOME, bigger web browsers, multimedia, Adobe Flash 
Player, printers.  Servers, not needing all the fancy stuff, can be set up on 
old computers as long as they're in good condition.  By printers, I mean not 
only CUPS, but hplip which depends on cups.  On BETA1, hplip build failed in 
cups because of undefined variable, I believe.  Other failed port was fuse.

On the computer from 2001, FreeBSD 8.1 and 8.2 /var got over 800 MB; I became 
nervous as /var data grew during the freebsd-update from 8.1 to 8.2.

Most iso-downloadable (CD or DVD) Linux distributions now require 512 MB RAM or 
more; I believe PC-BSD requires at least 512 MB RAM.

Tom

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Re: get rel 9.0 iso

2011-09-10 Thread Thomas Mueller mueller6727
To build FreeBSD 9.0 on USB stick for the old computer, host computer would be 
new amd64, cross-compiling for i386.

I see default /var partition size for new FreeBSD installations was to be 4 GB, 
so I might be safer with 16 GB rather than 8 GB USB stick, even though there 
would be no need to install system source and ports tree on the USB stick.  But 
I had already decided that I was not going to have separate partitions for 
/tmp, /var and /usr, but would want a separate partition for /home, except 
possibly on a USB stick.

Now it looks like FreeBSD 9.0-to-be is pushing the idea of installing on GPT; 
even the memstick installation disk, where traditional MBR partitioning scheme 
would fit comfortably, uses GPT.

I could build one kernel that would support the hardware on both computers, or 
one kernel for each computer.

FreeBSD itself can run comfortably in well under 256 MB RAM.  Resource hogs are 
the big applications: KDE, GNOME, bigger web browsers, multimedia, Adobe Flash 
Player, printers.  Servers, not needing all the fancy stuff, can be set up on 
old computers as long as they're in good condition.

Tom

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Re: get rel 9.0 iso

2011-09-09 Thread Thomas Mueller mueller6727
I think dvd1.iso was  700 MB and would therefore fit on a CD? 

I just checked, it was  700 MB:

Index of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/

Up to higher level directory
NameSizeLast Modified
File:CHECKSUM.MD5   1 KB09/01/1100:00:00
File:CHECKSUM.SHA2561 KB09/01/1100:00:00
File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-bootonly.iso   142490 KB   08/31/11
18:45:00
File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-dvd1.iso   621926 KB   08/31/1118:43:00
File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-memstick.img   666990 KB   08/31/11
18:46:00

(end of quote)

My computer from July 2001 had CD-RW but no DVD.  This was one of the factors 
pushing me to buy parts for a new computer.

FreeBSD 8.2 slice on old computer is about 12 GB with 1.3 GB free; RAM is 256 
MB.

So a better way to upgrade to 9.0 might be to build on the new computer onto a 
16 GB USB stick, I wouldn't even need to keep the ports tree or system source 
on the USB stick.  I assume booting a USB stick with Plop would work on the 
2001 computer with FreeBSD as it did with NetBSD 4.0.1 and NetBSD-current.

Due to insufficient RAM and insufficient disk space for the bigger 
packages/ports, I feel like I'm at the end of the line with FreeBSD, NetBSD 
too, on the 2001 computer; would need to build on my new computer.

Tom

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Re: get rel 9.0 iso

2011-09-08 Thread Thomas Mueller mueller6727
 On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:43:47 -0400, Fbsd8 wrote:
  No rel 9.0 i386 disc1.iso anywhere. My pc can not boot from memstick.

Polytropon responded:
 
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/
 
 A FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-{i386|amd64}-bootonly.iso and
 FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-{i386|amd64}-dvd1.iso are available.
 
 Note that this is just a BETA, _not_ a RELEASE.
 
 If your system can boot at least from CD, the bootonly should
 be fine (if you can then continue installation via Internet);
 if you don't have a machine connected, the DVD #1 will be a
 good tool (as a DVD-capable drive should be assumed as common
 equipment today).

Is that pc that can't boot from memstick old?  I have an old PC, dating to July 
2001, that can't boot directly from USB, but can boot from USB with the help of 
Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager.

I think dvd1.iso was  700 MB and would therefore fit on a CD? 

My computer from July 2001 had CD-RW but no DVD.  This was one of the factors 
pushing me to buy parts for a new computer.

Tom

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