Re: *BSD is considered the safest OS

2004-11-03 Thread Henrik W Lund
Jorn Argelo wrote:
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:12:54 -0500 (PET), Richard Cotrina wrote
Perhaps this is an old news, but it's interesting to post it to the list.
A recent study made by MI2G, an UK company focused in data risk
security, shows that *BSD and MacOS X were the less breached OS in a
sample of more that 200K computers permanently connected to the internet.

I personally don't feel that any OS is safer then the other. It's just what 
the administrator does. A Linux guru can't secure a Windows machine as good as 
a Windows guru can, and vica versa. 

One can say that a particular OS attracks more experienced administrators. 
Perhaps. But again it's the administrator which is the crucial fact of an OS 
being secure or not. It's rather easy to say that Windows is less secure then 
Linux or BSD because there are more viruses/exploits for Window. Well, I think 
that services like Sendmail and Apache can contain more exploits then Windows, 
to be honest. Of course, I can't prove anything, but that's just my personal 
feeling about it.

Cheers,
Jorn
Actually, I read somewhere that UNIX systems are more vulnerable to 
buffer overflows than Windows systems. Can't confirm the validity of 
this, though.

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Re: *BSD is considered the safest OS

2004-11-03 Thread terry tyson
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:45:38 +0100, Henrik W Lund
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 Actually, I read somewhere that UNIX systems are more vulnerable to
 buffer overflows than Windows systems. Can't confirm the validity of
 this, though.
 

Buffer overflows are already being addressed.
http://www.openbsd.org/papers/auug04/
http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=573
http://news.com.com/2100-1002-996584.html
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*BSD is considered the safest OS

2004-11-02 Thread Richard Cotrina
Perhaps this is an old news, but it's interesting to post it to the list.

A recent study made by MI2G, an UK company focused in data risk
security, shows that *BSD and MacOS X were the less breached OS in a
sample of more that 200K computers permanently connected to the internet.

http://mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/press/021104.php


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Re: *BSD is considered the safest OS

2004-11-02 Thread Benjamin Walkenhorst
Richard Cotrina wrote:
Perhaps this is an old news, but it's interesting to post it to the list.
A recent study made by MI2G, an UK company focused in data risk
security, shows that *BSD and MacOS X were the less breached OS in a
sample of more that 200K computers permanently connected to the internet.
http://mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/press/021104.php
 

heise.de questioned the credibility of the study. On the other hand they 
did a security survey
around december 2003/january 2004, and IIRC, their results were *pretty* 
similar to what this
study shows.
I do believe, the heise-study also mentioned that BSD-systems were not 
only rarely attacked because
of being so rare, but that the rate of successful attacks against 
BSD-based system was lower than
with, say Linux and Windows.

speculation
I for one do believe that Linux gets aways so badly not because Linux 
inherently insecure or bad,
but because many Linux-machines do not - that's my impression at least - 
receive the degree of
administrative attention they would need. BSD - in my impression - 
attracts more experienced
users/administrators than Linux, having become rather mainstream.
If you looked at the attacked Linux systems in more detail, I also 
assume you'd find the same to
be true for Red Hat/Suse vs. Debian systems.
I do believe that the same goes for windows - since it's so easy to 
handle, superficially, it will
tend to be operated by less experienced admins in general. Just remember 
that all the NT-worms
only got so successful because there uncounted unpatched systems out 
there...
/speculation

Kind regards,
Benjamin
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Re: *BSD is considered the safest OS

2004-11-02 Thread Jorn Argelo
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:12:54 -0500 (PET), Richard Cotrina wrote
 Perhaps this is an old news, but it's interesting to post it to the list.
 
 A recent study made by MI2G, an UK company focused in data risk
 security, shows that *BSD and MacOS X were the less breached OS in a
 sample of more that 200K computers permanently connected to the internet.

I personally don't feel that any OS is safer then the other. It's just what 
the administrator does. A Linux guru can't secure a Windows machine as good as 
a Windows guru can, and vica versa. 

One can say that a particular OS attracks more experienced administrators. 
Perhaps. But again it's the administrator which is the crucial fact of an OS 
being secure or not. It's rather easy to say that Windows is less secure then 
Linux or BSD because there are more viruses/exploits for Window. Well, I think 
that services like Sendmail and Apache can contain more exploits then Windows, 
to be honest. Of course, I can't prove anything, but that's just my personal 
feeling about it.

Cheers,

Jorn
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Re: *BSD is considered the safest OS

2004-11-02 Thread Nikolas Britton
Richard Cotrina wrote:
Perhaps this is an old news, but it's interesting to post it to the list.
A recent study made by MI2G, an UK company focused in data risk
security, shows that *BSD and MacOS X were the less breached OS in a
sample of more that 200K computers permanently connected to the internet.
http://mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/press/021104.php
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Someone write-up a slashdot story and submit it... It's always fun to 
prod are linux comrades. :-)

http://slashdot.org/submit.pl
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Re: *BSD is considered the safest OS

2004-11-02 Thread K. Greenwood

--- Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Richard Cotrina wrote:
 
 Perhaps this is an old news, but it's interesting
 to post it to the list.
 
 A recent study made by MI2G, an UK company focused
 in data risk
 security, shows that *BSD and MacOS X were the less
 breached OS in a
 sample of more that 200K computers permanently
 connected to the internet.
 

http://mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/press/021104.php
 

 Someone write-up a slashdot story and submit it...
 It's always fun to 
 prod are linux comrades. :-)
 
 http://slashdot.org/submit.pl
 

Hm.  I've always been curious to know how long it took
for a message to be accepted, and the background check
undergone.  Clearly not long, nor extensive,
considering the following.

http://slashdot.org/articles/04/02/21/142239.shtml



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Re: *BSD is considered the safest OS

2004-11-02 Thread Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.
Nikolas Britton wrote:
Richard Cotrina wrote:
Perhaps this is an old news, but it's interesting to post it to the 
list.

A recent study made by MI2G, an UK company focused in data risk
security, shows that *BSD and MacOS X were the less breached OS in a
sample of more that 200K computers permanently connected to the 
internet.

http://mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//mi2g.net/cgi/mi2g/press/021104.php 


Someone write-up a slashdot story and submit it... It's always fun to 
prod are linux comrades. :-)

http://slashdot.org/submit.pl

Done 
if !defined ${tact}
  echo [snip]  The study also reveals that Linux has become the most 
breached 24/7 online computing environment
  .endif

However, looks like someone more objective than I am beat me to it :-(
Kevin Kinsey
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