Re: [FreeBSD 7] Radeon Mobility M10/9600 + xorg 7.3 + ati/radeon driver causes complete system hang/freeze

2008-03-18 Thread Bob Johnson
On 3/17/08, Mark Ovens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Torgeir Hoffmann wrote:
[,,,]
  I have the following problems with my xorg 7.3 installation, even after I
  have pkg_delete -a, and reinstalled all with packages. The system was
  updated with freebsd-update from 6.3-release to 7.0-release.
 

 This sounds similar to the problem I have with 7.3 and a Radeon 8500LE
 card. Never had this problem with any previous version of Xorg (or XFree86).

 when the system hangs I can ssh(1) in from another box and find that
 Xorg process is sucking as much as 400% - yes four *hundred* percent -
 CPU ? It is holding a Giant Lock - State is *GIANT

 I can kill the Xorg process but on the affected box I just end up with a
 blank black screen so have to Ctrl-Alt_Del to reboot.

 The problem seems to come and go as I update installed ports. If I've
 got the problem then updating the ports gets rid of it (sometimes) and
 when the system is working a port upgrade starts it off again
 (sometimes). It seems to be one of the X ports being updated that is the
 cause but I don't know which - xorg-drivers seems a likely culprit.

 One thing I did do was to delete the port xf86-video-radeonhd which
 fixed the problem once. I don't know what installed it as a dependency
 but it hasn't been reinstalled - although the problem still comes and goes.

 I've had this on 6.3 and on 7.0 (completely clean build, not an upgrade
 from 6.3).

 As I said, this has only been a problem since u/g Xorg from 7.2-7.3 and
 it is becoming a PITA. I wonder if it's just that Radeon cards don't
 work too well with FreeBSD and/or Xorg?? Perhaps it's worth swapping to
 nVidia?


On two of my systems (out of four) I've had a lot of problems with Xorg 7.3.

My older system has run happily for a few years using the nvidia
proprietary driver to drive two monitors and an old mga card to drive
a third monitor. I was eventually forced to upgrade Xorg on it because
so many ports couldn't be installed or updated without it. Since
upgrading to X.org 7.3, the mga card is unusable and the nvidia card
configuration will no longer work with dual monitors. After spending a
week fighting it, I've given up on that system. It was an upgrade and
there is no telling how much cruft is left over from the older nvidia
driver.

At the time this happened, I was preparing to move to a new system
with an ATI card, so I turned my attention to the new system. I find
the radeonhd driver configuration to be extremely fragile if I try to
drive two monitors with it. Many configurations which should be
entirely legal (e.g. specifying PreferredMode) lock up the system to
the point that the only way to recover is to unplug the power.

If I only had those experiences, I would conclude that Xorg 7.3 is
total junk. But at home I have two systems that work fine with it. One
is even using the radeonhd driver with two monitors -- a configuration
similar to the one that gives me so much trouble with lockups.

Overall, I think the older Xorg was much more stable and usable. I'm
not at all sure the new features were worth the price.

- Bob
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[FreeBSD 7] Radeon Mobility M10/9600 + xorg 7.3 + ati/radeon driver causes complete system hang/freeze

2008-03-17 Thread Torgeir Hoffmann
On beforehand, I appologize for sending a rather incomplete mail regarding
this last week, I hope with this new information that I can find a clue on
how to debug or solve this problem.


I have the following problems with my xorg 7.3 installation, even after I
have pkg_delete -a, and reinstalled all with packages. The system was
updated with freebsd-update from 6.3-release to 7.0-release.

My problem has the following characteristics:

  * Whenever I start xorg with startx and the radeon/ati-driver, the
system will become unresponsive, and cold reboot is the only way to
escape the lock.

  * xorg will start fine using the 'vesa' driver.

  * On a system-freeze, there is no logging - at all. Nothing in
dmesg/messages or in Xorg.0.log.

  * I had no problems with xorg 7.2/7.3 on my 6.3-release system.

  * dmesg report:
 drm0
- Is it normal that it reports 256 MB, when I have a 64MB graphics card?


For you convenience, the config-/log-files can be found at:
  * dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m47427876

  * Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m13673d99

  * xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m52dab34b


any help will be greatly appreciated!

Best Regards,

//Torgeir


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Re: [FreeBSD 7] Radeon Mobility M10/9600 + xorg 7.3 + ati/radeon driver causes complete system hang/freeze

2008-03-17 Thread Mark Ovens

Torgeir Hoffmann wrote:

On beforehand, I appologize for sending a rather incomplete mail regarding
this last week, I hope with this new information that I can find a clue on
how to debug or solve this problem.


I have the following problems with my xorg 7.3 installation, even after I
have pkg_delete -a, and reinstalled all with packages. The system was
updated with freebsd-update from 6.3-release to 7.0-release.



This sounds similar to the problem I have with 7.3 and a Radeon 8500LE 
card. Never had this problem with any previous version of Xorg (or XFree86).


when the system hangs I can ssh(1) in from another box and find that 
Xorg process is sucking as much as 400% - yes four *hundred* percent - 
CPU ? It is holding a Giant Lock - State is *GIANT


I can kill the Xorg process but on the affected box I just end up with a 
blank black screen so have to Ctrl-Alt_Del to reboot.


The problem seems to come and go as I update installed ports. If I've 
got the problem then updating the ports gets rid of it (sometimes) and 
when the system is working a port upgrade starts it off again 
(sometimes). It seems to be one of the X ports being updated that is the 
cause but I don't know which - xorg-drivers seems a likely culprit.


One thing I did do was to delete the port xf86-video-radeonhd which 
fixed the problem once. I don't know what installed it as a dependency 
but it hasn't been reinstalled - although the problem still comes and goes.


I've had this on 6.3 and on 7.0 (completely clean build, not an upgrade 
from 6.3).


As I said, this has only been a problem since u/g Xorg from 7.2-7.3 and 
it is becoming a PITA. I wonder if it's just that Radeon cards don't 
work too well with FreeBSD and/or Xorg?? Perhaps it's worth swapping to 
nVidia?


Don't know whether any of that helps?

Regards,

Mark

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