Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, sean connolly wrote: Automatic reporting would end up being a mess given that panics can be caused by hardware problems. Having an autoreport check if memtest was run before it reports, or having it only run with -CURRENTmight be useful. Hi Sean, Dan, et al: I'm not sure I agree with this view. For releases, it's true that many reported panics are a result of bad hardware. However, on active development branches, especially -CURRENT, that's not the case. An automated scheme to track bug reports and find common themes could be incredibly valuable in the development environment. And, to be honest, even if a fair number of reports are due to hardware failures, these often have common themes themselves, so it would be quite educational to be able to reason about panics on a large scale. Not to mention using it to identify potentially flakey hardware that users could then be warned about :-). Collecting crash reports is widespread in industry for both operating systems and applications for these reasons. Certainly, the crashinfo summary gathered on recent FreeBSD versions is an excellent starting point for building such a system. If we were to move ahead with it, we'd need to pay very close attention to scrubbing potentially sensitive information from panic reports, however. Robert Sean From: jhell jh...@dataix.net To: Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com Cc: FreeBSD Hackers freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 8:06:50 AM Subject: Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:09, dan.naumov@ wrote: Hello I noticed the following on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ideas.html#p-autoreport Has there been any progress/work done on the automated kernel crash reporting system? The current ways of enabling and gathering the information required by developers for investigating panics and similar issues are unintuitive and user-hostile to say the least and anything to automate the process would be a very welcome addition. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Hi Dan, I am assuming that the output of crashinfo_enable=YES is not what you are talking about is it ? are you aware of it ? The info contained in the crashinfo.txt.N is pretty informative for developers, maybe your talking about another way of submitting it ? Regards, -- jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system
On Thursday 04 March 2010 8:50:56 am sean connolly wrote: Hi Dan, Automatic reporting would end up being a mess given that panics can be caused by hardware problems. Having an autoreport check if memtest was run before it reports, or having it only run with -CURRENTmight be useful. That's not quite true. Many hardware failure-type panics look the same (a machine check exception panic, an NMI due to a hardware error (this has a unique panic message), or panics in pmap_remove*() on x86 cover the vast majority of them). My previous employer actually did track panics using a script like crashinfo, and I was able to categorize known panics by looking for signatures in stack backtraces or other panic messages. From: jhell jh...@dataix.net To: Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com Cc: FreeBSD Hackers freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org; freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 8:06:50 AM Subject: Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:09, dan.naumov@ wrote: Hello I noticed the following on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ideas.html#p-autoreport Has there been any progress/work done on the automated kernel crash reporting system? The current ways of enabling and gathering the information required by developers for investigating panics and similar issues are unintuitive and user-hostile to say the least and anything to automate the process would be a very welcome addition. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Hi Dan, I am assuming that the output of crashinfo_enable=YES is not what you are talking about is it ? are you aware of it ? The info contained in the crashinfo.txt.N is pretty informative for developers, maybe your talking about another way of submitting it ? Regards, -- jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- John Baldwin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Robert Watson rwat...@freebsd.org wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, sean connolly wrote: Automatic reporting would end up being a mess given that panics can be caused by hardware problems. Having an autoreport check if memtest was run before it reports, or having it only run with -CURRENTmight be useful. I too, disagree with this. Surely most attention would be given to the most often recurring problems across varied hardware. If a new -RELEASE is tagged and suddenly there is an influx of very similar automated crash reports across a wide selection of hardware, some conclusions can be reached. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Automated kernel crash reporting system
Hello I noticed the following on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ideas.html#p-autoreport Has there been any progress/work done on the automated kernel crash reporting system? The current ways of enabling and gathering the information required by developers for investigating panics and similar issues are unintuitive and user-hostile to say the least and anything to automate the process would be a very welcome addition. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:09, dan.naumov@ wrote: Hello I noticed the following on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ideas.html#p-autoreport Has there been any progress/work done on the automated kernel crash reporting system? The current ways of enabling and gathering the information required by developers for investigating panics and similar issues are unintuitive and user-hostile to say the least and anything to automate the process would be a very welcome addition. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Hi Dan, I am assuming that the output of crashinfo_enable=YES is not what you are talking about is it ? are you aware of it ? The info contained in the crashinfo.txt.N is pretty informative for developers, maybe your talking about another way of submitting it ? Regards, -- jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:06:50 -0500 jhell jh...@dataix.net wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:09, dan.naumov@ wrote: Hello I noticed the following on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ideas.html#p-autoreport Has there been any progress/work done on the automated kernel crash reporting system? The current ways of enabling and gathering the information required by developers for investigating panics and similar issues are unintuitive and user-hostile to say the least and anything to automate the process would be a very welcome addition. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Hi Dan, I am assuming that the output of crashinfo_enable=YES is not what you are talking about is it ? are you aware of it ? The info contained in the crashinfo.txt.N is pretty informative for developers, maybe your talking about another way of submitting it ? This feature is mentioned as a mechanism which could be used as part of the automatic reporting functionality. So it's not quite the same thing. --- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system
Hi Dan, Automatic reporting would end up being a mess given that panics can be caused by hardware problems. Having an autoreport check if memtest was run before it reports, or having it only run with -CURRENTmight be useful. Sean From: jhell jh...@dataix.net To: Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com Cc: FreeBSD Hackers freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 8:06:50 AM Subject: Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:09, dan.naumov@ wrote: Hello I noticed the following on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ideas.html#p-autoreport Has there been any progress/work done on the automated kernel crash reporting system? The current ways of enabling and gathering the information required by developers for investigating panics and similar issues are unintuitive and user-hostile to say the least and anything to automate the process would be a very welcome addition. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Hi Dan, I am assuming that the output of crashinfo_enable=YES is not what you are talking about is it ? are you aware of it ? The info contained in the crashinfo.txt.N is pretty informative for developers, maybe your talking about another way of submitting it ? Regards, -- jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 05:50:56AM -0800, sean connolly thus spake: Hi Dan, Automatic reporting would end up being a mess given that panics can be caused by hardware problems. Having an autoreport check if memtest was run before it reports, or having it only run with -CURRENTmight be useful. Sean I only slightly disagree, in that in a production environment it may be useful to have the information regardless of the branch to report to an internal company e-mail address. But, maybe there is a routine for -CURRENT to go to @freebsd, in addition to an internal address. Just some thoughts... -j From: jhell jh...@dataix.net To: Dan Naumov dan.nau...@gmail.com Cc: FreeBSD Hackers freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 8:06:50 AM Subject: Re: Automated kernel crash reporting system On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:09, dan.naumov@ wrote: Hello I noticed the following on the FreeBSD website: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/ideas.html#p-autoreport Has there been any progress/work done on the automated kernel crash reporting system? The current ways of enabling and gathering the information required by developers for investigating panics and similar issues are unintuitive and user-hostile to say the least and anything to automate the process would be a very welcome addition. - Sincerely, Dan Naumov Hi Dan, I am assuming that the output of crashinfo_enable=YES is not what you are talking about is it ? are you aware of it ? The info contained in the crashinfo.txt.N is pretty informative for developers, maybe your talking about another way of submitting it ? Regards, -- jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
