Expanding a Vinum RAID-5 array

2003-07-12 Thread Joachim Dagerot
Is it possible to just 'plug-in' another disk to a vinum RAID-5 array
and let vinum start building a new index based on the new volume-size?

All this without any data-loss?

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Re: Expanding a Vinum RAID-5 array

2003-07-12 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Saturday, 12 July 2003 at  8:42:17 +0200, Joachim Dagerot wrote:
 Is it possible to just 'plug-in' another disk to a vinum RAID-5
 array and let vinum start building a new index based on the new
 volume-size?

No, sorry.  You can (forcibly) add another plex (I think), but it will
involve complete data loss (another way to say backup/restore data).

What you can do, if you have enough disk, is to create a second RAID-5
plex of the desired size and start it from the first.  After that you
can release the disks of the first plex.

Greg
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Re: Expanding a Vinum RAID-5 array

2003-07-12 Thread Joachim Dagerot
Hmm, this completely ruined just about all of my storage plans. :-)

Do anyone know other (read hardware) RAID-systems that are known to work
well with freeBSD and also allows me to increase the total diskspace
without dataloss?


On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 09:02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
  Is it possible to just 'plug-in' another disk to a vinum RAID-5
  array and let vinum start building a new index based on the new
  volume-size?
 
 No, sorry.  You can (forcibly) add another plex (I think), but it will
 involve complete data loss (another way to say backup/restore data).


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Re: Expanding a Vinum RAID-5 array

2003-07-12 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Sunday, 13 July 2003 at  0:07:04 +0200, Joachim Dagerot wrote:
 On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 09:02, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 Is it possible to just 'plug-in' another disk to a vinum RAID-5
 array and let vinum start building a new index based on the new
 volume-size?

 No, sorry.  You can (forcibly) add another plex (I think), but it will
 involve complete data loss (another way to say backup/restore data).

 Hmm, this completely ruined just about all of my storage plans. :-)

It's documented.

 Do anyone know other (read hardware) RAID-systems that are known to
 work well with freeBSD and also allows me to increase the total
 diskspace without dataloss?

I don't.

Greg
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Re: Expanding a Vinum RAID-5 array

2003-07-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 09:36:29AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
On Sunday, 13 July 2003 at  0:07:04 +0200, Joachim Dagerot wrote:

 Do anyone know other (read hardware) RAID-systems that are known to
 work well with freeBSD and also allows me to increase the total
 diskspace without dataloss?

I don't.

The problem isn't the RAID system, but the UFS file system which doesn't
allow expansion.  Vinum's ``concat'' mode allows one to add capacity, but
not to expand the size of existing file systems.

Are there any file systems that work with FreeBSD that allow expansion
after the fact?

Bill
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Re: Expanding a Vinum RAID-5 array

2003-07-12 Thread Tillman
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 06:29:25PM -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 09:36:29AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 July 2003 at  0:07:04 +0200, Joachim Dagerot wrote:
 
  Do anyone know other (read hardware) RAID-systems that are known to
  work well with freeBSD and also allows me to increase the total
  diskspace without dataloss?
 
 I don't.
 
 The problem isn't the RAID system, but the UFS file system which doesn't
 allow expansion.  Vinum's ``concat'' mode allows one to add capacity, but
 not to expand the size of existing file systems.
 
 Are there any file systems that work with FreeBSD that allow expansion
 after the fact?

Is there something about grows(8) that I'm missing? It's entirely
possible that I've missed the context or something, but I'm grown
UFS filesystems (on vinum concat's, actually) several times wih great
success.

-T


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Re: Expanding a Vinum RAID-5 array

2003-07-12 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Saturday, 12 July 2003 at 20:46:14 -0600, Tillman wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 06:29:25PM -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 09:36:29AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 July 2003 at  0:07:04 +0200, Joachim Dagerot wrote:
 
 Do anyone know other (read hardware) RAID-systems that are known to
 work well with freeBSD and also allows me to increase the total
 diskspace without dataloss?

 I don't.

 The problem isn't the RAID system, but the UFS file system which doesn't
 allow expansion.  Vinum's ``concat'' mode allows one to add capacity, but
 not to expand the size of existing file systems.

 Are there any file systems that work with FreeBSD that allow expansion
 after the fact?

 Is there something about grows(8) that I'm missing? It's entirely
 possible that I've missed the context or something, but I'm grown
 UFS filesystems (on vinum concat's, actually) several times wih great
 success.

You're not missing anything.  It looks as if Bill doesn't know about
growfs.

Greg
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Re: Expanding a Vinum RAID-5 array

2003-07-12 Thread Malcolm Kay
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:59, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 09:36:29AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 On Sunday, 13 July 2003 at  0:07:04 +0200, Joachim Dagerot wrote:

 

  Do anyone know other (read hardware) RAID-systems that are known to
  work well with freeBSD and also allows me to increase the total
  diskspace without dataloss?
 
 I don't.

 The problem isn't the RAID system, but the UFS file system which doesn't
 allow expansion.  Vinum's ``concat'' mode allows one to add capacity, but
 not to expand the size of existing file systems.

 Are there any file systems that work with FreeBSD that allow expansion
 after the fact?

growfs(8)

However RAID-5 is a different problem :-)

Malcolm Kay
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