Re: ADAT does work, but often is interrupted by noise - Was: FreeBSD and snd_hdspe last-ditch attempt
Hi :) if you should be subscribed to jack devel, you might be interested in this thread. http://lists.jackaudio.org/private.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org/2013-January/010610.html [1] I don't expect hints, but it's worth to ask. Oops, I made a mistake, I only tested the inputs, not the outputs. Regards, Ralf [1] --- Forwarded message --- From: Ralf Mardorf To: Jack devel Subject: [Jack-Devel] Jack1 on FreeBSD Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:20:20 +0100 Hi :) I'm testing audio on FreeBSD. It can't compare to Linux, but it's anyway interesting. The card is a RME HDSPe AIO on FreeBSD used without TotalMix and without ALSA. The analog IOs are ok, but I get distortion and click noise or gaps when I use ADAT. When the source is zynaddsubfx with nperiods there aren't gaps, but there's distortion and there are clicks. It's only working in duplex mode and I can't drop the word length setting. I already switched nperiods from 2 to 3. It might be, that the driver is buggy, but perhaps I need unusual settings to use ADAT on FreeBSD. Does somebody know some (secret ;) settings I should test? jackd -r -doss -r48000 -p1024 -n3 -w16 -C/dev/dsp4.0 -P/dev/dsp4.0 is one of the settings I tested. I still didn't check if there are IRQ issues, which is very likely and if I can unbind devices on FreeBSD. jackd -r -doss -r48000 -p1024 -n3 -w16 -C/dev/dsp4.0 -P/dev/dsp4.0 jackd 0.121.3 Except for being limited to only 2 IOs with ADAT and not the very best latency, the card on Linux can be used for serious production. It's likely that it's a driver issue, but perhaps there is some magic that can be done by jack, resp. OSS settings to get it working on FreeBSD too. Any hints are welcome. Regards, Ralf ___ Jack-Devel mailing list jack-de...@lists.jackaudio.org http://lists.jackaudio.org/listinfo.cgi/jack-devel-jackaudio.org -- Technology doesn't necessarily make you smarter http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2013-January/000172.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ADAT does work, but often is interrupted by noise - Was: FreeBSD and snd_hdspe last-ditch attempt
Thank you Ian :) On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:25:59 +0100, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: 'cat /dev/sndstat' I already posted it ;). However, I set sysctl hw.snd.verbose=2, here it's again [1]. It's a cheap professional audio device, IOW it's not a consumer or semi-professional device, so cheap doesn't mean low quality. Professional and semi-professional devices usually don't support surround sound, but at least the professional devices provide special interfaces, such as AES/EBU and ADAT. The card I'm using comes with two analog IOs, AES/EBU, ADAT and it supports consumer's SPDIF. $ ls -l /dev/dsp* crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 205 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 204 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp1.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 203 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp2.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 202 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp3.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 201 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp4.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 200 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp5.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 199 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp6.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 198 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp7.0 have to assume you've already discussed your issues with its author, Ruslan Bukin b...@bsdpad.com Yes, Ruslan does or at least did follow the thread. I set jackd to use OSS with /dev/dsp4.0, I connected synaddsubfx $ zynaddsubfx ZynAddSubFX - Copyright (c) 2002-2009 Nasca Octavian Paul and others Compiled: Jan 20 2013 03:10:05 This program is free software (GNU GPL v.2 or later) and it comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. Try 'zynaddsubfx --help' for command-line options. Sound Buffer Size = 256 samples Internal latency = 5.3 ms ADsynth Oscil.Size =1024 samples Internal SampleRate = 48000 Jack Output SampleRate= 48000 ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory Now there sometimes is audio output and sometimes dangerous noise, that could damage the speakers. Jack is running without real-time, Frames/Period 1024, Periods/Buffer 2, Samplerae 48000, Word Length 16. Regards, Ralf [1] $ cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: HDSPe AIO [line] at io 0xfdff irq 18 kld snd_hdspe (1p:1v/1r:1v) default snddev flags=0x2e6AUTOVCHAN,SOFTPCMVOL,BUSY,MPSAFE,REGISTERED,VPC [pcm0:play:dsp0.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00201000, flags 0x2100, 0x0006 interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:131072/4096/32|bs:65536/2048/32] channel flags=0x2100BUSY,HAS_VCHAN {userland} - feeder_mixer(0x00200010) - feeder_format(0x00200010 - 0x00201000) - {hardware} pcm0:play:dsp0.p0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x0018, flags 0x1000, 0x interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x1000VIRTUAL {userland} - feeder_root(0x) - {hardware} [pcm0:record:dsp0.r0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00201000, flags 0x2100, 0x0007 interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 131072, sfree 65536 [b:131072/4096/32|bs:65536/2048/32] channel flags=0x2100BUSY,HAS_VCHAN {hardware} - feeder_root(0x00201000) - feeder_format(0x00201000 - 0x00200010) - feeder_mixer(0x00200010) - {userland} pcm0:record:dsp0.r0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vr0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x0018, flags 0x1000, 0x interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 0, sfree 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x1000VIRTUAL {hardware} - feeder_root(0x) - {userland} pcm1: HDSPe AIO [phone] at io 0xfdff irq 18 kld snd_hdspe (1p:1v/0r:0v) snddev flags=0x2e7SIMPLEX,AUTOVCHAN,SOFTPCMVOL,BUSY,MPSAFE,REGISTERED,VPC [pcm1:play:dsp1.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00201000, flags 0x2100, 0x0006 interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:131072/4096/32|bs:65536/2048/32] channel flags=0x2100BUSY,HAS_VCHAN {userland} - feeder_mixer(0x00200010) - feeder_format(0x00200010 - 0x00201000) - {hardware} pcm1:play:dsp1.p0[pcm1:virtual:dsp1.vp0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x0018, flags 0x1000, 0x interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x1000VIRTUAL {userland} - feeder_root(0x) - {hardware} pcm2: HDSPe AIO [aes] at io 0xfdff irq 18 kld snd_hdspe (1p:1v/1r:1v) snddev flags=0x2e6AUTOVCHAN,SOFTPCMVOL,BUSY,MPSAFE,REGISTERED,VPC [pcm2:play:dsp2.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00201000, flags 0x2100, 0x0006 interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:131072/4096/32|bs:65536/2048/32] channel flags=0x2100BUSY,HAS_VCHAN {userland} - feeder_mixer(0x00200010) - feeder_format(0x00200010 - 0x00201000) - {hardware} pcm2:play:dsp2.p0[pcm2:virtual:dsp2.vp0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x0018, flags 0x1000, 0x interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x1000VIRTUAL {userland} -
Re: ADAT does work, but often is interrupted by noise - Was: FreeBSD and snd_hdspe last-ditch attempt
please include also the output of 1. sysctl hw.snd 2. sysctl dev.pcm On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:47:09AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Thank you Ian :) On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:25:59 +0100, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: 'cat /dev/sndstat' I already posted it ;). However, I set sysctl hw.snd.verbose=2, here it's again [1]. It's a cheap professional audio device, IOW it's not a consumer or semi-professional device, so cheap doesn't mean low quality. Professional and semi-professional devices usually don't support surround sound, but at least the professional devices provide special interfaces, such as AES/EBU and ADAT. The card I'm using comes with two analog IOs, AES/EBU, ADAT and it supports consumer's SPDIF. $ ls -l /dev/dsp* crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 205 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 204 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp1.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 203 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp2.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 202 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp3.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 201 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp4.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 200 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp5.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 199 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp6.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel0, 198 Jan 23 09:41 /dev/dsp7.0 have to assume you've already discussed your issues with its author, Ruslan Bukin b...@bsdpad.com Yes, Ruslan does or at least did follow the thread. I set jackd to use OSS with /dev/dsp4.0, I connected synaddsubfx $ zynaddsubfx ZynAddSubFX - Copyright (c) 2002-2009 Nasca Octavian Paul and others Compiled: Jan 20 2013 03:10:05 This program is free software (GNU GPL v.2 or later) and it comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. Try 'zynaddsubfx --help' for command-line options. Sound Buffer Size = 256 samples Internal latency =5.3 ms ADsynth Oscil.Size = 1024 samples Internal SampleRate = 48000 Jack Output SampleRate= 48000 ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory Now there sometimes is audio output and sometimes dangerous noise, that could damage the speakers. Jack is running without real-time, Frames/Period 1024, Periods/Buffer 2, Samplerae 48000, Word Length 16. Regards, Ralf [1] $ cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: HDSPe AIO [line] at io 0xfdff irq 18 kld snd_hdspe (1p:1v/1r:1v) default snddev flags=0x2e6AUTOVCHAN,SOFTPCMVOL,BUSY,MPSAFE,REGISTERED,VPC [pcm0:play:dsp0.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00201000, flags 0x2100, 0x0006 interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:131072/4096/32|bs:65536/2048/32] channel flags=0x2100BUSY,HAS_VCHAN {userland} - feeder_mixer(0x00200010) - feeder_format(0x00200010 - 0x00201000) - {hardware} pcm0:play:dsp0.p0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x0018, flags 0x1000, 0x interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x1000VIRTUAL {userland} - feeder_root(0x) - {hardware} [pcm0:record:dsp0.r0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00201000, flags 0x2100, 0x0007 interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 131072, sfree 65536 [b:131072/4096/32|bs:65536/2048/32] channel flags=0x2100BUSY,HAS_VCHAN {hardware} - feeder_root(0x00201000) - feeder_format(0x00201000 - 0x00200010) - feeder_mixer(0x00200010) - {userland} pcm0:record:dsp0.r0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vr0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x0018, flags 0x1000, 0x interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 0, sfree 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x1000VIRTUAL {hardware} - feeder_root(0x) - {userland} pcm1: HDSPe AIO [phone] at io 0xfdff irq 18 kld snd_hdspe (1p:1v/0r:0v) snddev flags=0x2e7SIMPLEX,AUTOVCHAN,SOFTPCMVOL,BUSY,MPSAFE,REGISTERED,VPC [pcm1:play:dsp1.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00201000, flags 0x2100, 0x0006 interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:131072/4096/32|bs:65536/2048/32] channel flags=0x2100BUSY,HAS_VCHAN {userland} - feeder_mixer(0x00200010) - feeder_format(0x00200010 - 0x00201000) - {hardware} pcm1:play:dsp1.p0[pcm1:virtual:dsp1.vp0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x0018, flags 0x1000, 0x interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x1000VIRTUAL {userland} - feeder_root(0x) - {hardware} pcm2: HDSPe AIO [aes] at io 0xfdff irq 18 kld snd_hdspe (1p:1v/1r:1v) snddev flags=0x2e6AUTOVCHAN,SOFTPCMVOL,BUSY,MPSAFE,REGISTERED,VPC [pcm2:play:dsp2.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00201000, flags 0x2100, 0x0006 interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:131072/4096/32|bs:65536/2048/32] channel flags=0x2100BUSY,HAS_VCHAN {userland} - feeder_mixer(0x00200010) -
Re: ADAT does work, but often is interrupted by noise - Was: FreeBSD and snd_hdspe last-ditch attempt
Hi Ruslan :) here's the output of sysctl hw.snd and sysctl dev.pcm. $ sysctl hw.snd hw.snd.vpc_reset: 0 hw.snd.vpc_0db: 45 hw.snd.vpc_autoreset: 1 hw.snd.latency_profile: 1 hw.snd.latency: 5 hw.snd.report_soft_matrix: 1 hw.snd.report_soft_formats: 1 hw.snd.compat_linux_mmap: 0 hw.snd.feeder_eq_exact_rate: 0 hw.snd.feeder_eq_presets: PEQ:16000,0.2500,62,0.2500:-9,9,1.0:44100,48000,88200,96000,176400,192000 hw.snd.feeder_rate_quality: 1 hw.snd.feeder_rate_round: 25 hw.snd.feeder_rate_max: 2016000 hw.snd.feeder_rate_min: 1 hw.snd.feeder_rate_polyphase_max: 183040 hw.snd.feeder_rate_presets: 100:8:0.85 100:36:0.92 100:164:0.97 hw.snd.vpc_mixer_bypass: 1 hw.snd.verbose: 2 hw.snd.maxautovchans: 16 hw.snd.default_unit: 0 hw.snd.version: 2009061500/amd64 hw.snd.default_auto: 1 $ sysctl dev.pcm dev.pcm.0.%desc: HDSPe AIO [line] dev.pcm.0.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.0.%parent: hdspe0 dev.pcm.0.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.0.play.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.0.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.0.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.0.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.0.rec.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.0.buffersize: 0 dev.pcm.0.bitperfect: 0 dev.pcm.1.%desc: HDSPe AIO [phone] dev.pcm.1.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.1.%parent: hdspe0 dev.pcm.1.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.1.play.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.1.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.1.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.1.buffersize: 0 dev.pcm.1.bitperfect: 0 dev.pcm.2.%desc: HDSPe AIO [aes] dev.pcm.2.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.2.%parent: hdspe0 dev.pcm.2.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.2.play.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.2.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.2.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.2.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.2.rec.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.2.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.2.rec.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.2.buffersize: 0 dev.pcm.2.bitperfect: 0 dev.pcm.3.%desc: HDSPe AIO [s/pdif] dev.pcm.3.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.3.%parent: hdspe0 dev.pcm.3.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.3.play.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.3.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.3.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.3.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.3.rec.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.3.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.3.rec.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.3.buffersize: 0 dev.pcm.3.bitperfect: 0 dev.pcm.4.%desc: HDSPe AIO [adat] dev.pcm.4.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.4.%parent: hdspe0 dev.pcm.4.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.4.play.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.4.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.4.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.4.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.4.rec.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.4.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.4.rec.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.4.buffersize: 0 dev.pcm.4.bitperfect: 0 dev.pcm.5.%desc: HDSPe AIO [adat] dev.pcm.5.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.5.%parent: hdspe0 dev.pcm.5.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.5.play.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.5.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.5.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.5.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.5.rec.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.5.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.5.rec.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.5.buffersize: 0 dev.pcm.5.bitperfect: 0 dev.pcm.6.%desc: HDSPe AIO [adat] dev.pcm.6.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.6.%parent: hdspe0 dev.pcm.6.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.6.play.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.6.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.6.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.6.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.6.rec.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.6.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.6.rec.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.6.buffersize: 0 dev.pcm.6.bitperfect: 0 dev.pcm.7.%desc: HDSPe AIO [adat] dev.pcm.7.%driver: pcm dev.pcm.7.%parent: hdspe0 dev.pcm.7.play.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.7.play.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.7.play.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.7.play.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.7.rec.vchans: 1 dev.pcm.7.rec.vchanmode: fixed dev.pcm.7.rec.vchanrate: 48000 dev.pcm.7.rec.vchanformat: s16le:2.0 dev.pcm.7.buffersize: 0 dev.pcm.7.bitperfect: 0 Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD and snd_hdspe last-ditch attempt
Hi :) I can use Opera to play YouTube by the analog IOs of the HDSPe AIO sound card. I can use Jack with OSS and play a WAV by Audacity and by Audacious and I also can hear ZynAddSubFX. All of them only use the 2 analog IOs. If I test VLC with OSS and /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp* (* is for 0 to 7), it doesn't work. I don't know how to use Gnome Music Player Client. It's asking for an ominous host, it's seemingly not the name of the machine. cat file /dev/dsp is mentioned in the handbook, but it doesn't work. ALSA completely isn't available. Is there nobody able to help? Are there no correct instructions what to do? Is anybody else using snd_hdspe besides the coder and me? Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD and snd_hdspe last-ditch attempt
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Cc: FreeBSD quest freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Hi :) Hi Ralf, I've been following this saga for a while, with interest but no specific knowledge of your gear nor how you intend to use it. All I can comment on is the way you're going about reporting and debugging your issues. I'm not sure repeating these in questions@ will be much use if you can't get answers in multimedia@, but I'll leave that alone for now. I know you're new to FreeBSD from Linux and can't know what advice might be useful and what may be wild goose chases, harder to tell in questions@ I can use Opera to play YouTube by the analog IOs of the HDSPe AIO sound card. I can use Jack with OSS and play a WAV by Audacity and by Audacious and I also can hear ZynAddSubFX. All of them only use the 2 analog IOs. If I test VLC with OSS and /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp* (* is for 0 to 7), it doesn't work. What you're not telling people, now at least, is some of the basics from sound(4), ie which hints and sysctls you have set, for example how many channels and vchans you have enabled, which /dev/dsp* actually exist now (showing with 'ls -l /dev/dsp*' rather than telling), and how thoroughly you've taken the advice in sound(4) re setup and debugging, like setting sysctl hw.snd.verbose to 4 and reporting 'cat /dev/sndstat' results - this will be voluminous I'm sure, but will be needed by whoever is going to look at this. I suggest gathering all the necessary information in one place and submitting a PR, if you can't get direct help on lists. I don't know how to use Gnome Music Player Client. It's asking for an ominous host, it's seemingly not the name of the machine. cat file /dev/dsp is mentioned in the handbook, but it doesn't work. ALSA completely isn't available. Is there nobody able to help? Are there no correct instructions what to do? Is anybody else using snd_hdspe besides the coder and me? I assume you've read what little there is in snd_hdspe(4) and the great deal that there is in sound(4) and are now well familiar with it, though your messages don't particularly indicate such familiarity. I realise that you're an audio professional, but being a new card with few if any other users you may have to do a fair bit of digging, like inspecting /sys/dev/sound/pci/hdspe* and playing around with hw.snd tunables. This is a new driver, first appearing in FreeBSD 10 :) according to snd_hdspe(4). I don't know when it was merged to 9 or what level of testing it's had in the field, but I have to assume you've already discussed your issues with its author, Ruslan Bukin b...@bsdpad.com ? Sorry I can't offer anything more concrete, and good luck. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org