Re: FreeBSD from Scratch

2006-08-04 Thread RW
On Friday 04 August 2006 15:59, Jona Joachim wrote:
> Rich Mayo wrote:
> > Is anyone on the list familiar with the "Linux from Scratch" project?
> > More to the point, is anybody aware if there is anything like a "FreeBSD
> > from Scratch" project??
>
> You may find this interesting:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/fbsd-from-scratch/index
>.html

Although, it's nothing like "Linux from Scratch". IIRC it's a way of updating 
into alternate system partitions to avoid leaving old files behind after an 
update.
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RE: FreeBSD from Scratch

2006-08-04 Thread fbsd
The install guide at www.a1poweruser.com  may be what you are
looking for.

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Is anyone on the list familiar with the "Linux from Scratch"
project?
More to the point, is anybody aware if there is anything like a
"FreeBSD
from Scratch" project??



Rich Mayo
SRI International
732-389-1003


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Re: FreeBSD from Scratch

2006-08-04 Thread Jona Joachim
Rich Mayo wrote:
> Is anyone on the list familiar with the "Linux from Scratch" project?
> More to the point, is anybody aware if there is anything like a "FreeBSD
> from Scratch" project??

You may find this interesting:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/fbsd-from-scratch/index.html

Jona
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Re: FreeBSD from Scratch

2006-08-04 Thread Matthew Seaman
Rich Mayo wrote:
> Is anyone on the list familiar with the "Linux from Scratch" project?
> More to the point, is anybody aware if there is anything like a "FreeBSD
> from Scratch" project??

As I understand it, Linux from Scratch is all about building a Linux box
without using the packaging etc. provided by any of the various Linux
distributions.  The challenge is to take all of the source code from
all of the various development groups and integrate it into a working
system yourself.

The concept doesn't really map onto FreeBSD.  The OS -- kernel, system
libraries, standard applications -- is developed as a unified thing.
There aren't really any alternate distributions in the same sense as
there are for Linux, although projects like Freesbie, pfsense and
DesktopBSD are heading in that sort of direction.

Once you've downloaded the system sources, done a make buildworld etc.,
installed everything and rebooted[*], that's it: done.  You've got a
working FreeBSD system.  Which kind of takes away the point of the 'from
Scratch' idea.  It's too easy...

Third party software installed from ports is literally compiling from
source code as Linux from Scratch advocates -- OK, software installed
from ports does get registered in the pkg system, and it can be bundled
up into a pkg tarball and copied to another machine to be installed
there (which is  exactly what the packages are on the FreeBSD FTP sites).
But that's just an aid to keeping things properly maintained.

Either every FreeBSD box is 'FreeBSD from Scratch' or none of them are. 

Cheers,

Matthew

[*] Actually, it's a little more involved than that, and of course you
should follow the detailed instructions in the handbook.  But that's
the general gist.

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Re: FreeBSD from Scratch

2006-08-04 Thread Bob Johnson

On 8/4/06, Rich Mayo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is anyone on the list familiar with the "Linux from Scratch" project?
More to the point, is anybody aware if there is anything like a "FreeBSD
from Scratch" project??


It depends on which aspect of "Linux from Scratch" is of interest to you.

Building from source code is the standard way to update FreeBSD.  By
editing appropriate configuration files you can produce a fairly
customized installation:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html
describes the basics.

You also have the option of doing a minimal install in the first
place, and then adding additional pieces as you wish.

Another approach to a customized FreeBSD is the nanobsd project, which
has tools to let you build a stripped-down FreeBSD that is small
enough to run from a floppy disk (although these days a usb flash
drive is probably a more common target):

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/nanobsd.html

There are preconfigured nanobsd builds to make firewalls, routers, and
other common tools.

- Bob
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FreeBSD from Scratch

2006-08-04 Thread Rich Mayo
Is anyone on the list familiar with the "Linux from Scratch" project?
More to the point, is anybody aware if there is anything like a "FreeBSD
from Scratch" project??



Rich Mayo
SRI International
732-389-1003



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