Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64
I use an ACER notebook 5050 with 2 partitions (one i386, and other amd64) the amd64 is faster, the software is very stable, and everything works... I do not use the sleep mode, the freebsd kernel keeps the processor halted when not in use, so the battery lasts longer, and the boot (total boot is less than 30 seconds...) to have the gnome 2.22 up and ready... with all I need in my working day (office, emai, multimedia, games, software develop, voip, phone calls... and internet)is This weekend I will format the i386 partition and install amd64 over it .. I am very satisfied with the amd64 of FreeBSD, indeed is now working in all 6 notebooks if the family (brothers, sons, daughters...) The only "slow" thing we have was the evolution (in gnome) now it is as faster as other applications in the computer Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64
Sébastien Morand wrote: Hi, ... So before reinstalling everything, I'd like to know : Is it a reasonable choice (in terme of performance, reliability, and compatibility terms) to install i386 over amd64 arch? For a desktop i386 is still the better choice and unless you have more than 3G of RAM there are no downsides, but many advantages. E.g. acpi sleep states are only implemented for i386. I'm running amd64 on my notebook and the price is high. No suspend to ram or to disk (even though I have s4bios support), and not even cpu stepping (at least not the clock speed stepping only idle calls and they make /no/ difference at all). All these things would work if I ran i386, but I want to be there when they start working on amd64. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 15:06:24 Ivan Voras wrote: > Sébastien Morand wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm new in FreeBSD, I'm used to GNU/Linux from many years but I'm trying > > to migrate to FreeBSD. > > My hardware is AMD64 / 1GB RAM / envy24ht network car / nVidia 7300GS GC > > / USB Scanner / HP 660 Printer > > This looks like a desktop computer, with multimedia capabilities. It's > very likely you won't be able to use some or all of the non-essential > components. > > > So nothing to worry about except the AMD64. I read that FreeBSD i386 > > installation is faster on AMD64 than amd64. > > This is not very likely, or at least as valid as in any other comparison > between a 32-bit and a 64-bit operating systems. > > > I installed amd64 and was quite > > disappointed by the performance issue, particularly because the nv driver > > is not good, and I got a lot of slowdown when some operations are made > > within X server. > > Yes, nVidia doesn't have good FreeBSD drivers, and I think they don't > have any drivers for 64-bit FreeBSD. You're probably using the default As you should know, they have a published wishlist of certain kernel requirements that "we" have yet to implement. > X.Org drivers, which have only basic functionality. I found that with a gforce (SLI) card in my amd64 box I have to disable any and all HW acceleration. The xorg drivers have more functionality but it needs to be disabled for xorg to work at all without freezing (with anything multithreaded -- this last observation is mine). People send one complaint after another but no one seems to be able to connect the dots let alone look at the real problems. And no, I don't care enough about my spare (testing) box to fix it but the problems are real. > > > So before reinstalling everything, I'd like to know : > > Is it a reasonable choice (in terme of performance, reliability, and > > compatibility terms) to install i386 over amd64 arch? > > Will I be able to install nvidia drivers and every i386 tools? (I got > > "only working under i386" several times when installing port) > > Are there other issues I should be aware of using such an installation? > > While there are people using FreeBSD for a graphical desktop, and some > of them are even using the 64-bit version, they are few and far between, > and most of them are satisfied with the bare essentials. For X.Org > issues you might try the freebsd-x11@ mailing list. For issues with > specific ports, try stable@ or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be ready for a lot of > manual configuration (as compared to Linux). It's considered TIER-1. It doesn't come close. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64
On 4/1/08, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sébastien Morand wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm new in FreeBSD, I'm used to GNU/Linux from many years but I'm trying > to > > migrate to FreeBSD. > > My hardware is AMD64 / 1GB RAM / envy24ht network car / nVidia 7300GS GC / > > USB Scanner / HP 660 Printer > > This looks like a desktop computer, with multimedia capabilities. It's > very likely you won't be able to use some or all of the non-essential > components. I rarely run into that, but the Envy24ht does seem to be a candidate for that problem. And I think it's a sound card, not network. USB scanners are another potential problem, but if your scanner has a SANE driver, it ought to work. See http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html [...] > While there are people using FreeBSD for a graphical desktop, and some > of them are even using the 64-bit version, they are few and far between, > and most of them are satisfied with the bare essentials. For X.Org > issues you might try the freebsd-x11@ mailing list. For issues with > specific ports, try stable@ or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be ready for a lot of > manual configuration (as compared to Linux). There seem to be lots of people using FreeBSD with a graphical desktop. I do, and it works fine. If you are big into watching Flash videos or playing Flash games on assorted web sites, you may have problems, as Flash 7 is the latest version that works well and many websites want Flash 9, which still has stability issues. YouTube works with Flash 7, FWIW. There may be some Linux programs you are accustomed to that either don't run right on FreeBSD, or are not in the ports system so you have to manually install them. Installing FreeBSD i386 on an amd64 machine also works fine - and in some respects it is better than running amd64 on an amd64 machine. At present, there are some programs you are likely to want to use that work on FreeBSD i386 but not FreeBSD amd64. And some have said that amd64 uses more memory (maybe bigger word size means bigger structures?) -- if so, that's a good reason to install FreeBSD i386 if you only have 1 g of memory. I've had trouble with the latest nVidia proprietary driver, but I was upgrading an old system and haven't yet tried to see what happens with a fresh install of the nVidia driver. The open source "nv" driver works, but has very limited feature support (doesn't support multiple monitors, for instance). I've also had problems with the ATI "radeonhd" driver on one system, but not on another with a very similar video card (the problems appear when I use multi-headed displays). In other words, the only way to be sure what will happen with your particular video card is to try it. Good luck. A test installation of FreeBSD should go quickly enough that it is not a big deal. If you use KDE, install it from packages (precompiled) rather than compiling the port and you will save heaps of time. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD installation on AMD64
Sébastien Morand wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new in FreeBSD, I'm used to GNU/Linux from many years but I'm trying to > migrate to FreeBSD. > My hardware is AMD64 / 1GB RAM / envy24ht network car / nVidia 7300GS GC / > USB Scanner / HP 660 Printer This looks like a desktop computer, with multimedia capabilities. It's very likely you won't be able to use some or all of the non-essential components. > So nothing to worry about except the AMD64. I read that FreeBSD i386 > installation is faster on AMD64 than amd64. This is not very likely, or at least as valid as in any other comparison between a 32-bit and a 64-bit operating systems. > I installed amd64 and was quite > disappointed by the performance issue, particularly because the nv driver is > not good, and I got a lot of slowdown when some operations are made within X > server. Yes, nVidia doesn't have good FreeBSD drivers, and I think they don't have any drivers for 64-bit FreeBSD. You're probably using the default X.Org drivers, which have only basic functionality. > So before reinstalling everything, I'd like to know : > Is it a reasonable choice (in terme of performance, reliability, and > compatibility terms) to install i386 over amd64 arch? > Will I be able to install nvidia drivers and every i386 tools? (I got "only > working under i386" several times when installing port) > Are there other issues I should be aware of using such an installation? While there are people using FreeBSD for a graphical desktop, and some of them are even using the 64-bit version, they are few and far between, and most of them are satisfied with the bare essentials. For X.Org issues you might try the freebsd-x11@ mailing list. For issues with specific ports, try stable@ or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be ready for a lot of manual configuration (as compared to Linux). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
FreeBSD installation on AMD64
Hi, I'm new in FreeBSD, I'm used to GNU/Linux from many years but I'm trying to migrate to FreeBSD. My hardware is AMD64 / 1GB RAM / envy24ht network car / nVidia 7300GS GC / USB Scanner / HP 660 Printer So nothing to worry about except the AMD64. I read that FreeBSD i386 installation is faster on AMD64 than amd64. I installed amd64 and was quite disappointed by the performance issue, particularly because the nv driver is not good, and I got a lot of slowdown when some operations are made within X server. So before reinstalling everything, I'd like to know : Is it a reasonable choice (in terme of performance, reliability, and compatibility terms) to install i386 over amd64 arch? Will I be able to install nvidia drivers and every i386 tools? (I got "only working under i386" several times when installing port) Are there other issues I should be aware of using such an installation? thanks by advance for any help Sébastien ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
