Gnome FreeBSD from putty

2007-09-23 Thread Timothy McGee
Hello Everyone,

Any way of running Gnome or Firefox from putty remotely?  What's the best
way to test for the displays setup, etc?  

I'd like to keep it really simple for rebooting radios  equipment that
require a web interface.  My first attempt simply so display not configured
and am really rusy on my unix.  FreeBSD  I'm very rusty.

Thanks,
Tim McGee

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Re: Gnome FreeBSD from putty

2007-09-23 Thread Mel
On Sunday 23 September 2007 15:35:00 Timothy McGee wrote:

 Any way of running Gnome or Firefox from putty remotely?  What's the best
 way to test for the displays setup, etc?

 I'd like to keep it really simple for rebooting radios  equipment that
 require a web interface.  My first attempt simply so display not configured
 and am really rusy on my unix.  FreeBSD  I'm very rusty.

If all you need is access to web interfaces on localhost of the remote 
machine, setup a portforward and access it with your local browser. Putty 
being a windows program, you probably won't get remote X to work anyway.

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Re: Gnome FreeBSD from putty

2007-09-23 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On 9/23/07, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 23 September 2007 15:35:00 Timothy McGee wrote:

  Any way of running Gnome or Firefox from putty remotely?  What's the best
  way to test for the displays setup, etc?
 
  I'd like to keep it really simple for rebooting radios  equipment that
  require a web interface.  My first attempt simply so display not configured
  and am really rusy on my unix.  FreeBSD  I'm very rusty.

 If all you need is access to web interfaces on localhost of the remote
 machine, setup a portforward and access it with your local browser. Putty
 being a windows program, you probably won't get remote X to work anyway.

Not true. Install Cygwin/X on your local machine
(http://x.cygwin.com/), configure PuTTY to forward X11 packets, login
to the server and run firefox. Depending on your exact configuration,
you may need to tinker with the settings a bit. Usually, however, it
works with no additional effort.

- Max
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Re: Gnome FreeBSD from putty

2007-09-23 Thread dgmm
On Sunday 23 September 2007, Maxim Khitrov wrote:
 Not true. Install Cygwin/X on your local machine
 (http://x.cygwin.com/), configure PuTTY to forward X11 packets, login
 to the server and run firefox. Depending on your exact configuration,
 you may need to tinker with the settings a bit. Usually, however, it
 works with no additional effort.

Agreed!

As a complete noob to running remote apps, I had it going in minutes from a 
WinXP laptop with putty/cygwin/X.  As you say, just tick/check the X11 
forwarding box in Putty.

Although the OP mentioned Gnome.  Not sure if you could run a whole desktop 
over it or even if that would be desirable.

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Re: Gnome FreeBSD from putty

2007-09-23 Thread Mel
On Sunday 23 September 2007 18:54:28 dgmm wrote:
 On Sunday 23 September 2007, Maxim Khitrov wrote:
  Not true. Install Cygwin/X on your local machine
  (http://x.cygwin.com/), configure PuTTY to forward X11 packets, login
  to the server and run firefox. Depending on your exact configuration,
  you may need to tinker with the settings a bit. Usually, however, it
  works with no additional effort.

 Agreed!

 As a complete noob to running remote apps, I had it going in minutes from a
 WinXP laptop with putty/cygwin/X.  As you say, just tick/check the X11
 forwarding box in Putty.

Sure that works. As you can also take a plane to visit the neighbors.

 Although the OP mentioned Gnome.  Not sure if you could run a whole desktop
 over it or even if that would be desirable.

If you're on a local network, it can be convenient to control the entire 
desktop in the few cases where programs can only be controlled via GUI, but 
for configuring a few web-enabled interfaces, it will take you 10 times 
longer then just forwarding the control port and using a local browser.

Aside from that, last time I tried (a few years back), at least the window 
manager needs to be installed locally for truly forwarded X11 connections, 
you can't be logged in under X as that user on the remote machine and by the 
time I had cygwin setup and working, I would've configured cups 3 times over 
on the remote machine, using a simple port forward.
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Re: Gnome FreeBSD from putty

2007-09-23 Thread Christian Baer
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:35:00 -0700 Timothy McGee wrote:

 Any way of running Gnome or Firefox from putty remotely?  What's the best
 way to test for the displays setup, etc?  

I'm not too sure, what you are trying to do here. If you want to run a
program or an entire desktop on one computer and have the display on
another computer, that isn't all that difficult.

Look at this text:
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-X-Apps.html

Unlike the others in this thread, I recommend the use Xming as the Server.
Cygwin is not really being maintained anymore.

Regards,
Chris
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Re: Gnome FreeBSD

2007-08-23 Thread NetOpsCenter

Michael S wrote:


Good day all,

I decided to add GUI to my GUI-less FreeBSD machine. I
am  considering installing Gnome, which I haven't used
for long while and the last time was on Linux anyway.
The reason is that most of my favorite applications
use gtk libraries, like Firefox, GAIM (can't get used
to the new name),wxPython and others. In short I
wanted to avoid 2 huge sets of libraries (gtk and qt)
by not installing KDE.
I wanted to know how Gnome feels on FreeBSD, is it
polished enough? Are there crashes? Any caveats at
all?

Thanks in advance,
Michael
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You may want to look at XFCE which many of the FreeBSD people use as a 
GUI.  Lean and efective.


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Re: Gnome FreeBSD

2007-08-23 Thread Joel Hatton
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:11:39 -1000, NetOpsCenter wrote:
  

You may want to look at XFCE which many of the FreeBSD people use as a 
GUI.  Lean and efective.

I'm a big fan of Blackbox - it's not as 'pretty' as XFCE but is easy to
use and lean. All your graphical apps will still work fine in it, providing
you install their deps of course.

joel
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Re: Gnome FreeBSD

2007-08-22 Thread Ghirai
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:11:54 -0400 (EDT)
Michael S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you all for the suggestions. I am going to take
 into consideration everything everyone wrote.
 
 Michael
 
 --- P.U.Kruppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Michael S wrote:
  
   Good day all,
  
   I decided to add GUI to my GUI-less FreeBSD
  machine. I
   am  considering installing Gnome, which I haven't
  used
   for long while and the last time was on Linux
  anyway.
   The reason is that most of my favorite
  applications
   use gtk libraries, like Firefox, GAIM (can't get
  used
   to the new name),wxPython and others. In short I
   wanted to avoid 2 huge sets of libraries (gtk and
  qt)
   by not installing KDE.
   I wanted to know how Gnome feels on FreeBSD, is it
   polished enough? Are there crashes? Any caveats at
   all?
  There is a minimal gnome installation in
  /usr/ports/x11/gnome2-lite
  you can start with that and - if you like it - add
  all the the 
  other stuff. 
  One caveat:
  First install /usr/ports/x11/xorg (i.e. xorg-7.2)
  and check if 
  your monitor and graphics card are set up correctly.
  
  Greetings,
  
  Uli.
  

I'd suggest you also give xfce a try (http://xfce.org), it's also GTK based,
and lighter than gnome/kde, while still having plenty of features.

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Re: Gnome FreeBSD

2007-08-22 Thread Roger Olofsson

Michael S skrev:

Good day all,

I decided to add GUI to my GUI-less FreeBSD machine. I
am  considering installing Gnome, which I haven't used
for long while and the last time was on Linux anyway.
The reason is that most of my favorite applications
use gtk libraries, like Firefox, GAIM (can't get used
to the new name),wxPython and others. In short I
wanted to avoid 2 huge sets of libraries (gtk and qt)
by not installing KDE.
I wanted to know how Gnome feels on FreeBSD, is it
polished enough? Are there crashes? Any caveats at
all?

Thanks in advance,
Michael
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A while back on this list I read about fluxbox so I decided to try it 
out. I like it very much, it's very lightweight and very flexible. It's 
in the ports tree if you want to have a look.



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Re: Gnome FreeBSD I forgot

2007-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20/08/07, Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I forgot to say in my last massage. The good compromise between Gnome
 (KDE) full blown desktop and ***Box X window managers is
 Xfce. Xfce is only about 15Mb vs Gnome(KDE)~200Mb.

 ~ ls -ls /usr/local/bin/evilwm
28 -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  28088 May 29 04:36 /usr/local/bin/evilwm

Very fast, very responsive, and the desktop (being
essentially what you put into ~/.xinitrc) is extremely
configurable, although, to be fair, if you leave it running
for a couple of weeks it might eat up 6 or 7 seconds
of CPU time.

I suppose a post-script would be that it could not possibly
be called a compromise and likely won't be called good
by very many.

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Re: Gnome FreeBSD

2007-08-20 Thread Michael S
Thank you all for the suggestions. I am going to take
into consideration everything everyone wrote.

Michael

--- P.U.Kruppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Michael S wrote:
 
  Good day all,
 
  I decided to add GUI to my GUI-less FreeBSD
 machine. I
  am  considering installing Gnome, which I haven't
 used
  for long while and the last time was on Linux
 anyway.
  The reason is that most of my favorite
 applications
  use gtk libraries, like Firefox, GAIM (can't get
 used
  to the new name),wxPython and others. In short I
  wanted to avoid 2 huge sets of libraries (gtk and
 qt)
  by not installing KDE.
  I wanted to know how Gnome feels on FreeBSD, is it
  polished enough? Are there crashes? Any caveats at
  all?
 There is a minimal gnome installation in
   /usr/ports/x11/gnome2-lite
 you can start with that and - if you like it - add
 all the the 
 other stuff. 
 One caveat:
 First install /usr/ports/x11/xorg (i.e. xorg-7.2)
 and check if 
 your monitor and graphics card are set up correctly.
 
 Greetings,
 
 Uli.
 
 
  Thanks in advance,
  Michael
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Gnome FreeBSD

2007-08-19 Thread Michael S
Good day all,

I decided to add GUI to my GUI-less FreeBSD machine. I
am  considering installing Gnome, which I haven't used
for long while and the last time was on Linux anyway.
The reason is that most of my favorite applications
use gtk libraries, like Firefox, GAIM (can't get used
to the new name),wxPython and others. In short I
wanted to avoid 2 huge sets of libraries (gtk and qt)
by not installing KDE.
I wanted to know how Gnome feels on FreeBSD, is it
polished enough? Are there crashes? Any caveats at
all?

Thanks in advance,
Michael
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Re: Gnome FreeBSD

2007-08-19 Thread Predrag Punosevac

Michael S wrote:

Good day all,

I decided to add GUI to my GUI-less FreeBSD machine. I
am  considering installing Gnome, which I haven't used
for long while and the last time was on Linux anyway.
The reason is that most of my favorite applications
use gtk libraries, like Firefox, GAIM (can't get used
to the new name),wxPython and others. In short I
wanted to avoid 2 huge sets of libraries (gtk and qt)
by not installing KDE.
I wanted to know how Gnome feels on FreeBSD, is it
polished enough? Are there crashes? Any caveats at
all?

Thanks in advance,
Michael
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I run Gnome 2.18 full version compiled from ports + fifth toe + gnome 
office +etc in another words everything.
Computer is home made Intel Core 2 Duo E 4300 2x512 Kb RAM dual channel 
memory DDR2 667. The machine is our main home computer used by my wife 
and my mother in law (people with some Windows experience and no real 
knowledge to speak of). They find it easier to use than Windows machines 
they have at work.


So far stability of Gnome is extraordinary. I have not observed any 
applications hanging except usual problems with licking of sound card.
With little bit of configuration rc.conf, devfs.conf and fstab which I 
am more than happy to provide to you everything works out of box. All 
multimedia, printing, scanning, cameras, webcam, xchat, vnc works 
flawlessly with exception of sound recording (Skype) due to the fact 
that I am using OSS compiled from ports for my audio card and I am 
reading documentation how to set up mixer and recorder.

I might also get another audio card because VoIP is very important to me.

Computer fells faster then working on KDE (Original installation was 
PC-BSD) Also it feels significantly faster then my Ubuntu desktop at the 
University. I have to admit though that my machine at home has slightly 
better hardware.



On another look, I do use OpenBox 3 with the help of  pypanel  and 
Rox-filler manager on one older machine. It feels faster than  any 
desktop I use at the University or at home so it is your choice. I 
really think that Gnome BSD team did grate job to bring FreeBSD to level
grand ma users. On another hand for pure productivity I have to say that 
good WM is still probably better choice.


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Re: Gnome FreeBSD

2007-08-19 Thread P.U.Kruppa

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Michael S wrote:


Good day all,

I decided to add GUI to my GUI-less FreeBSD machine. I
am  considering installing Gnome, which I haven't used
for long while and the last time was on Linux anyway.
The reason is that most of my favorite applications
use gtk libraries, like Firefox, GAIM (can't get used
to the new name),wxPython and others. In short I
wanted to avoid 2 huge sets of libraries (gtk and qt)
by not installing KDE.
I wanted to know how Gnome feels on FreeBSD, is it
polished enough? Are there crashes? Any caveats at
all?

There is a minimal gnome installation in
/usr/ports/x11/gnome2-lite
you can start with that and - if you like it - add all the the 
other stuff. 
One caveat:
First install /usr/ports/x11/xorg (i.e. xorg-7.2) and check if 
your monitor and graphics card are set up correctly.


Greetings,

Uli.



Thanks in advance,
Michael
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Re: Gnome FreeBSD I forgot

2007-08-19 Thread Predrag Punosevac

Predrag Punosevac wrote:

Michael S wrote:

Good day all,

I decided to add GUI to my GUI-less FreeBSD machine. I
am  considering installing Gnome, which I haven't used
for long while and the last time was on Linux anyway.
The reason is that most of my favorite applications
use gtk libraries, like Firefox, GAIM (can't get used
to the new name),wxPython and others. In short I
wanted to avoid 2 huge sets of libraries (gtk and qt)
by not installing KDE.
I wanted to know how Gnome feels on FreeBSD, is it
polished enough? Are there crashes? Any caveats at
all?

Thanks in advance,
Michael
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I run Gnome 2.18 full version compiled from ports + fifth toe + gnome 
office +etc in another words everything.
Computer is home made Intel Core 2 Duo E 4300 2x512 Kb RAM dual 
channel memory DDR2 667. The machine is our main home computer used by 
my wife and my mother in law (people with some Windows experience and 
no real knowledge to speak of). They find it easier to use than 
Windows machines they have at work.


So far stability of Gnome is extraordinary. I have not observed any 
applications hanging except usual problems with licking of sound card.
With little bit of configuration rc.conf, devfs.conf and fstab which I 
am more than happy to provide to you everything works out of box. All 
multimedia, printing, scanning, cameras, webcam, xchat, vnc works 
flawlessly with exception of sound recording (Skype) due to the fact 
that I am using OSS compiled from ports for my audio card and I am 
reading documentation how to set up mixer and recorder.

I might also get another audio card because VoIP is very important to me.

Computer fells faster then working on KDE (Original installation was 
PC-BSD) Also it feels significantly faster then my Ubuntu desktop at 
the University. I have to admit though that my machine at home has 
slightly better hardware.



On another look, I do use OpenBox 3 with the help of  pypanel  and 
Rox-filler manager on one older machine. It feels faster than  any 
desktop I use at the University or at home so it is your choice. I 
really think that Gnome BSD team did grate job to bring FreeBSD to level
grand ma users. On another hand for pure productivity I have to say 
that good WM is still probably better choice.


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Oh,
I forgot to say in my last massage. The good compromise between Gnome 
(KDE) full blown desktop and ***Box X window managers is
Xfce. Xfce is only about 15Mb vs Gnome(KDE)~200Mb.  I was first time 
exposed to it by using FreeSBIE. It is slightly less responsive on 
FreeSBIE than Fluxbox(700Kb) which one should expect but seems 
remarkably fast for a full Desktop running from the LIVE CD.  Real
eye candy and it  has   everything you need as a default installation. 
It is really very good.


I
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