Re: HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
Date:Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:49:15 +0100 From:arden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >im confused do you want to mount a udf cd in a drive or want to make a udf iso >? Neither. I want to write a UDF filesystem on a hard drive at the end of a USB so that I can backup files on one system into an archive file ( tar, dump, cpio, whatever) and store them away on another system. Date:Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:45:00 +0100 From:Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Using dvd+rw-tools for burning backups on single-layer (4GB) disks works >fine. You don't really need UDF for that. These archives can get rather large. Compressed, even, they are running about 35-45 GBytes. This is too big for FAT32, and ISO9660 (I think). Neither ext2fs, ufs, ntfs or hfs+ has a solid implementation on much other than its native platform. And I don't know where they will end up. So, a filesystem that is supported by many systems is needed. UDF was designed for that, and seems to work. I just need to be able to write the format from my main server, and I wanted to use FreeBSD for that, as its USB auto- magic seems to be better than most other unixen. Date:Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:45:00 +0100 From:Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I couldn't find a newfs_udf on 6.0, although there is a userspace >implementation called UDFclient: http://www.13thmonkey.org/udfclient/ > >As I understand it, UDF is an extension of ISO9660. An explanation of >UDF can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/wenguangwang/myhome/udf.html > >Dvd+rw-tools uses ISO9660, not UDF. > >Using dvd+rw-tools for burning backups on single-layer (4GB) disks works >fine. You don't really need UDF for that. Date:Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:48:24 +0100 From:Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >thats what i used. RS> As I understand it, UDF is an extension of ISO9660. An explanation of >no it is not an extension. RS> UDF can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/wenguangwang/myhome/udf.html RS> RS> Dvd+rw-tools uses ISO9660, not UDF. >dvd+rw-tools do't use any filesystem! they just write to device. Date:Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:14:56 +0100 From:Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WP> no it is not an extension. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format > >"It [UDF] is an implementation of the ISO/IEC 13346 standard (also known as >ECMA-167), and an extension of ISO 9660." > >And (somewhat paraphrased): > >"A variable-length 'packet-written' CD-R(W) can be closed to a ISO9660 >format by writing just by writing a table of contents on the CD." WP> dvd+rw-tools do't use any filesystem! they just write to device. >I beg to differ. Growisofs is a front-end for mkisofs, combined with a >DVD recording program. See the growisofs manual page. Date:Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:42:38 +0100 From:Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RS> "It [UDF] is an implementation of the ISO/IEC 13346 standard (also known as RS> ECMA-167), and an extension of ISO 9660." >not true. RS> "A variable-length 'packet-written' CD-R(W) can be closed to a ISO9660 RS> format by writing just by writing a table of contents on the CD." >you can just add ISO9660 filesystem metadata, getting two >different filesystems of which both's metadata puts to the same place so >data is shared, getting more portable disc. and getting faster access to >files as UDF isn't as efficient. > >but UDF is NOT an ISO9660 extension. UDF can live without ISO9660 >filesystem at all. > > >if you used UDF programs in windoze, they all have option to add ISO9660 >filesystem (just generate metadata) and fixate - after whole disc is >filled with data. Well, ISC/IEC 13346 is an extension of ISO 9660 in that is does more. It even has some of the same data structures and nomenclature. It's even reasonable to use the same program to master RO versions of 13346. And UDF is a subset of ISO/IEC 13346. But UDF is a subset with meaning above and beyond ISO/IEC 13346. It's designed to be used as a real filesystem. see: http://www.osta.org/technology/di.htm At any rate, mkisofs will not suffice, as it makes a static filesystem. I need to create a filesystem in the UNIX sense, an empty one that I can then write in. And moreover, from the mkisofs man page: -udf Include UDF support in the generated filesystem image. UDF sup- port is currently in alpha status and for this reason, it is not possible to create UDF only images. UDF data structures are currently coupled to the Joliet structures, so there are many pitfalls with the current implementation. There is no UID/GID support, there is no POSIX permission support, there is no sup- port for symlinks. Note that UDF wastes the space from sector ~20 to sector 256 at the beginning of the disk in addition to the spcae needed for real UDF data structures. In summary, FreeBSD doesn't seem to have a mechanism to create an empt
Re: HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
See the wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format "It [UDF] is an implementation of the ISO/IEC 13346 standard (also known as ECMA-167), and an extension of ISO 9660." not true. And (somewhat paraphrased): "A variable-length 'packet-written' CD-R(W) can be closed to a ISO9660 format by writing just by writing a table of contents on the CD." you can just add ISO9660 filesystem metadata, getting two different filesystems of which both's metadata puts to the same place so data is shared, getting more portable disc. and getting faster access to files as UDF isn't as efficient. but UDF is NOT an ISO9660 extension. UDF can live without ISO9660 filesystem at all. if you used UDF programs in windoze, they all have option to add ISO9660 filesystem (just generate metadata) and fixate - after whole disc is filled with data. im confused do you want to mount a udf cd in a drive or want to make a udf iso ? mount -t udf /device /mount point mounting, mkisofs -dvd-video works fine ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:14:56 +0100 Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 12:48:24AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:46:50PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >>>I see mount_udf(8), and I see many mentions of dvd+rw-tools, and > > >>>growisofs. > > >> > > >>tried to use mount_udf - no success. can't even mount dvd+rw that was > > >>treated with newfs_udf (which works) > > > > > >I couldn't find a newfs_udf on 6.0, although there is a userspace > > >implementation called UDFclient: http://www.13thmonkey.org/udfclient/ > > > > > thats what i used. > > > >As I understand it, UDF is an extension of ISO9660. An explanation of > > > > no it is not an extension. > > See the wikipedia entry: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format > > "It [UDF] is an implementation of the ISO/IEC 13346 standard (also known as > ECMA-167), and an extension of ISO 9660." > > And (somewhat paraphrased): > > "A variable-length 'packet-written' CD-R(W) can be closed to a ISO9660 > format by writing just by writing a table of contents on the CD." > > > >UDF can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/wenguangwang/myhome/udf.html > > > > > >Dvd+rw-tools uses ISO9660, not UDF. > > > > dvd+rw-tools do't use any filesystem! they just write to device. > > I beg to differ. Growisofs is a front-end for mkisofs, combined with a > DVD recording program. See the growisofs manual page. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith (http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/) Please send e-mail as plain text. > public key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt > im confused do you want to mount a udf cd in a drive or want to make a udf iso ? mount -t udf /device /mount point or mkisofs -dvd-video -udf -o test.iso /location Arden ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 12:48:24AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:46:50PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>I see mount_udf(8), and I see many mentions of dvd+rw-tools, and > >>>growisofs. > >> > >>tried to use mount_udf - no success. can't even mount dvd+rw that was > >>treated with newfs_udf (which works) > > > >I couldn't find a newfs_udf on 6.0, although there is a userspace > >implementation called UDFclient: http://www.13thmonkey.org/udfclient/ > > > thats what i used. > >As I understand it, UDF is an extension of ISO9660. An explanation of > > no it is not an extension. See the wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format "It [UDF] is an implementation of the ISO/IEC 13346 standard (also known as ECMA-167), and an extension of ISO 9660." And (somewhat paraphrased): "A variable-length 'packet-written' CD-R(W) can be closed to a ISO9660 format by writing just by writing a table of contents on the CD." > >UDF can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/wenguangwang/myhome/udf.html > > > >Dvd+rw-tools uses ISO9660, not UDF. > > dvd+rw-tools do't use any filesystem! they just write to device. I beg to differ. Growisofs is a front-end for mkisofs, combined with a DVD recording program. See the growisofs manual page. Roland -- R.F.Smith (http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/) Please send e-mail as plain text. public key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt pgpL2VTS5xNwb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:46:50PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I see mount_udf(8), and I see many mentions of dvd+rw-tools, and growisofs. tried to use mount_udf - no success. can't even mount dvd+rw that was treated with newfs_udf (which works) I couldn't find a newfs_udf on 6.0, although there is a userspace implementation called UDFclient: http://www.13thmonkey.org/udfclient/ thats what i used. As I understand it, UDF is an extension of ISO9660. An explanation of no it is not an extension. UDF can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/wenguangwang/myhome/udf.html Dvd+rw-tools uses ISO9660, not UDF. dvd+rw-tools do't use any filesystem! they just write to device. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:46:50PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I see mount_udf(8), and I see many mentions of dvd+rw-tools, and growisofs. > > tried to use mount_udf - no success. can't even mount dvd+rw that was > treated with newfs_udf (which works) I couldn't find a newfs_udf on 6.0, although there is a userspace implementation called UDFclient: http://www.13thmonkey.org/udfclient/ As I understand it, UDF is an extension of ISO9660. An explanation of UDF can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/wenguangwang/myhome/udf.html Dvd+rw-tools uses ISO9660, not UDF. Using dvd+rw-tools for burning backups on single-layer (4GB) disks works fine. You don't really need UDF for that. Roland -- R.F.Smith (http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/) Please send e-mail as plain text. public key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt pgpN0RX1msajA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:46:50 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I see mount_udf(8), and I see many mentions of dvd+rw-tools, and growisofs. >tried to use mount_udf - no success. can't even mount dvd+rw that was >treated with newfs_udf (which works) I don't see newfs_udf on my 5.3 system. Searching the manpages turns up only mount_udf. http://www.freebsd.org/search/ finds only relnotes and those are hitting on newfs and udf (apparently ignoring the _ in the newfs_udf, and making that two words). My Solaris 10 system has newfs_udf and mount_udf. I'll see if freebsd can mount the udf created by Solaris, and report back. Cheers! -sam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
I see mount_udf(8), and I see many mentions of dvd+rw-tools, and growisofs. tried to use mount_udf - no success. can't even mount dvd+rw that was treated with newfs_udf (which works) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
HOWTO write udf (on cd/dvd/hd wherever)
I see mount_udf(8), and I see many mentions of dvd+rw-tools, and growisofs. Bud I don't see any mention of a method of writing a UDF? Am I missing something? Ultimately, I want to write UDF to a hard drive at the end of a USB so that I can mount it elsewhere. Clues? pointers? slaps in the face for not looking in the right place first? Cheers! -sam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
