Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
On Saturday 05 April 2003 01:48 pm, Jason Burgess wrote: please don't top post > -Original Message- > From: kitsune [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD > On Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:23:18 +0200 > Clemens Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello! > > I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run FreeBSD > on > > a Pentium Computer? > > There is no information on your website / documentation for Version > > 5.0 > > should be something like 4Mb, iirc that's outdated information for older releases. see the FAQ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/install.html I think that information that all will run in 4MB is out of date now too. I'd be surprised if 5.0 could boot in 4MB in a useful form, even after a custom kernel was built. > I've never had any luck below 8MB. > > Jason Burgess The only documentation on this that I see is in the FAQ. The FAQ only refers to 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x anyway. I'm not sure what the doc project has in mind for 5.x documentation. I received another email that said he was not able to install 5.0 in less than 20 MB, so there's a data point. Anyone want to take this up with [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems this is a FAQ, but would be well to place the minimum memory requirements in the install instructions since no one reads the FAQ it seems. Tim ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Incorrect quotation On Saturday, 5 April 2003 at 14:33:37 -0600, Alfonso Romero wrote: > On Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:23 AM, Clemens Jaeger wrote: >> >> I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run FreeBSD on >> a Pentium Computer? >> There is no information on your website / documentation for Version 5.0 > > well, but if you try to use GNOME... with 32MB it took my Pentium > 133Mhz PC 30 minutes to load the environment! You certainly shouldn't be running memory-hungry suites like GNOME or KDE on systems with minimal memory. On Saturday, 5 April 2003 at 11:41:59 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > On Sunday 06 April 2003 12:06 pm, kitsune wrote: >> On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:59:23 -0500, Matthew Emmerton wrote: On Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:23:18 +0200 Clemens Jaeger wrote: > I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run > FreeBSD on a Pentium Computer? There is no information on your > website / documentation for Version 5.0 should be something like 4Mb, iirc >>> >>> *cough*. You haven't tried to install FreeBSD since the 2.2.x days >>> then :) >>> >>> My recommendation is no less than 16MB. I think this is a valid minimum. We're pretty sure that we can no longer install in 8 MB. It's possible that it would work in 12 MB, but where do you find systems with that amount of memory? >> What was it like back then? It was generally possible in 4 MB in those days. We've seen cases of really trimmed kernels booting in 2 MB. >> Yeah, 16 works nicely, which is the smallest amount of ram I've >> ever had in a machine I installed FreeBSD on. For some definition of "nicely". Don't expect a ball of flame. > I think numbers like this border on meaningless. They are basically > what you need to just run the system. Well, sure, but that has a meaning. There are a number of applications, notably in networking, which don't need much more than minimum memory. As I observed above, you're not going to run X with a bloatware desktop on it. Expect to use at least 64 MB for that. > If you want to use it for something real, then you need more. How > much more depnds on what you want to do. For example, to use > X-Windows, you need 50-64MB just for X. You can run X in 32 MB. You need *much* more memory for Microsoft-like programs such as newer "desktops" and OpenOffice. I did some research on this while writing the relevant chapters for the fourth edition of "The Complete FreeBSD", which should be out soon (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cfreebsd/index.html). I had intended to describe only KDE or GNOME. After seeing how much memory they used and how little advantage you get from it, I added the alternative of fvwm2. It's not as easy to configure, but it runs in about 5% of the memory footprint, and it gives you just about all the functionality. > If you want to do a buildworld, you need Y MBs. Building the world is relatively easy on the system. > You need Y MB to run an application. For some other definition of Y? > If you want to do all of the above at the same time, then you have > to assign values to Y and add what is appropriate together. I think > the smallest machine that I used and didn't see a lot of swapping > was 128 MB. Swapping drops your effective memory speed from 8ns to 8 > ms. Well, not quite. You get a page of instructions each time you swap. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
well, but if you try to use GNOME... with 32MB it took my Pentium 133Mhz PC 30 minutes to load the environment! Alfonso Romero - Original Message - From: "Clemens Jaeger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD > Hello! > > I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run FreeBSD on > a Pentium Computer? > There is no information on your website / documentation for Version 5.0 > > Regards > Clemens Jaeger > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
On Sunday 06 April 2003 12:06 pm, kitsune wrote: > On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:59:23 -0500 > > "Matthew Emmerton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:23:18 +0200 > > > > > > Clemens Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > > > > > I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run > > > > FreeBSD on a Pentium Computer? > > > > There is no information on your website / documentation for > > > > Version 5.0 > > > > > > should be something like 4Mb, iirc > > > > *cough*. You haven't tried to install FreeBSD since the 2.2.x days > > then :) > > > > My recommendation is no less than 16MB. > > > > -- > > Matt Emmerton > > What was it like back then? > > Yeah, 16 works nicely, which is the smallest amount of ram I've ever > had in a machine I installed FreeBSD on. > I think numbers like this border on meaningless. They are basically what you need to just run the system. If you want to use it for something real, then you need more. How much more depnds on what you want to do. For example, to use X-Windows, you need 50-64MB just for X. If you want to do a buildworld, you need Y MBs. You need Y MB to run an application. If you want to do all of the above at the same time, then you have to assign values to Y and add what is appropriate together. I think the smallest machine that I used and didn't see a lot of swapping was 128 MB. Swapping drops your effective memory speed from 8ns to 8 ms. That is hard to over come with any OS. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
I've never had any luck below 8MB. Jason Burgess -Original Message- From: kitsune [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD On Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:23:18 +0200 Clemens Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run FreeBSD on > a Pentium Computer? > There is no information on your website / documentation for Version 5.0 should be something like 4Mb, iirc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:59:23 -0500 "Matthew Emmerton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:23:18 +0200 > > Clemens Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run FreeBSD on > > > a Pentium Computer? > > > There is no information on your website / documentation for Version 5.0 > > > > should be something like 4Mb, iirc > > *cough*. You haven't tried to install FreeBSD since the 2.2.x days then :) > > My recommendation is no less than 16MB. > > -- > Matt Emmerton What was it like back then? Yeah, 16 works nicely, which is the smallest amount of ram I've ever had in a machine I installed FreeBSD on. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
> On Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:23:18 +0200 > Clemens Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run FreeBSD on > > a Pentium Computer? > > There is no information on your website / documentation for Version 5.0 > > should be something like 4Mb, iirc *cough*. You haven't tried to install FreeBSD since the 2.2.x days then :) My recommendation is no less than 16MB. -- Matt Emmerton ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
On Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:23:18 +0200 Clemens Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run FreeBSD on > a Pentium Computer? > There is no information on your website / documentation for Version 5.0 should be something like 4Mb, iirc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
How much RAM is needed for FreeBSD
Hello! I was looking for information : how much RAM is needed to run FreeBSD on a Pentium Computer? There is no information on your website / documentation for Version 5.0 Regards Clemens Jaeger ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
