Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-29 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

Jerry McAllister wrote:

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 06:13:21PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:


His was a classic case of what is often called the 'radical right syndrom'


I never have heard of this bevore.


Now, how does this fit in OS type questions.   I'd really have to think
hard to rationalize that.Sorry.


Nobody seems to know this at all anymore.


PS:

I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand 
the irony in here




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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-29 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:43:27AM -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
 
 An American's a person who isn't afraid to criticize
 the president but is always polite to traffic cops.

That's a very good point (barring edge cases like belligerent idiots who
aren't polite to traffic cops, either, but tend to end up on episodes of
Cops because of it).

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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Aryeh Friedman

 A typical TV set service is not really supported by FreeBSD
 neither... or FreeBSD is not supported by TV set service, or
 something!!


Talk about being a little literal I don't own a TV and watch
everything I care about thanks to the networks sites, bit torrent and
miro (hopefully will be officially added after the ports freeze is
over)
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

Joshua Isom wrote:


On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:



Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well.


no, he was a bad one. He finally lost


Flame war anyone?


Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.

The mother of all flame wars.

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Joshua Isom


On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Hi,

Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:



Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well.


no, he was a bad one. He finally lost


But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the 
eradication of the Jews.  There were numerous things he could have done 
to have Germany win the war(namely stepping down after it's start), but 
it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
fascism.



Flame war anyone?


Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.

The mother of all flame wars.


Classic retreat strategy.  Make the earth worthless.  Kind of doesn't 
work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown.



Erich



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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Sunnz
2007/11/27, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi,

 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 
  Does this include YouTube?
 
 this is an incorrect question as Flash is not really supported by FreeBSD.


A typical TV set service is not really supported by FreeBSD
neither... or FreeBSD is not supported by TV set service, or
something!!

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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

Joshua Isom wrote:


On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Joshua Isom wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:



Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well.


no, he was a bad one. He finally lost


But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the 


he only lost because of the Germans sabotaging him.

He was the last man standing saving the last bullet for himself.

it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
fascism.


He gave his life for the country.




Flame war anyone?


Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.

The mother of all flame wars.


Classic retreat strategy.  Make the earth worthless.  Kind of doesn't 
work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown.


Classic? How wasted his own resources like this before?

Erich

PS:

I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand 
the irony in here





Erich





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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Peo Nilsson

On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:

  it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
  fascism.

*No* humans *win* any kind of war.
They *all* loose...

...will they ever learn?.

Well, by erasing the history, no matter who tried
to write it, the chance decrease...


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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Bart Silverstrim



Peo Nilsson wrote:

On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:

it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
fascism.


*No* humans *win* any kind of war.
They *all* loose...


Loose?  Catch them then.
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Andy Greenwood

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
  

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To: Ted Mittelstaedt
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.
  

Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.



It doesen't matter.  What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also
very subjective.  However, Godwin's law works anyway.
  


According to wikipedia (I am aware this isn't a real source) Godwin's 
law is defined thusly.


As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison 
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.


The law isn't subjective at all. It specifically requires the comparison 
of one of the points or platforms to those of Nazis or Hitler himself. 
The comparison itself could be as oblique or subjective as you want, but 
the fact is that it must DIRECTLY involve Nazis or Hitler.


However, I don't agree that the proposed Beastie's Law is subjective 
either. It states that the person making the demands is using political 
incorrectness as one of their points as to why the change should be 
made. Whether or not everyone will agree on the political 
(in)correctness of the proposed change is irrelevant.

Ted
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.


Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are foreign born and using the correct term
is wrong.


Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it forward 
on the chat list, where it belongs?  It's getting very old.


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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 06:13:21PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Joshua Isom wrote:
 
 On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
 
 Joshua Isom wrote:
 On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
 
 Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well.
 
 no, he was a bad one. He finally lost
 
 But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the 
 
 he only lost because of the Germans sabotaging him.

Not hardly.   He lost because he was unable to see reality when
it conflicted with his pre-made conclusions and 'plan' - something
familiar in the USA at the moment.

 
 He was the last man standing saving the last bullet for himself.

No, he committed suicide because he couldn't face up to the loss.

 
 it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
 fascism.
 
 He gave his life for the country.

Not really.   In this he was a good facist -- he gave his country
for his on well being and when his country was insufficient, he
failed and bailed out.

His was a classic case of what is often called the 'radical right syndrom'
in psychology studies.   It is a slight misnomer because there can
be a similar pathology that features the political left, but it is not
nearly as common.  Deviants leaning in that direction tend to manifest
it differently.   

Anyway, the basic synopsis is that he was encourated to perceive himself
as a total loser during his formative years, primarily by an abusive
father figure who also demanded that he be strong.   He became, for a while, 
a mama's boy.  But he was unable to contain the two conflicting perceptions 
 - that of being an unsucessful loser and that he must be strong and
successful - acquiring a severe case of something called cognative dissonance.
Most people learn to blunt the extreme edges of these conflicts as they
mature, but some cannot and must act out in some way.   Adolf's way was
anti-social in extreme.   He did the classic thing for someone experiencing
severe cognative disonance and found convenient places to offload his
conflict - Jews and others who were popularly seen as misfits and often
blamed for social problems - and, since this does not really relieve the
problem, continued to escalate this attempt to offload his internal conflict.
He was able to invent an image for himself which he used to recruit and
hold followers who were also looking for ways to explain their failures
and/or for relief from their bad condidtions, but he never really believed
that image of himself and also had to escalate it continuously to support
it so as not to fall back in to that unacceptable loser state.

When it was finally no longer possible to support that image, he chose
death, pretending it was the bold way, when actually it was just yet
another way of avoiding the perceived reality that he had carried with
him all his life.

This syndrom, based on cognative disonance, is fairly common and is present 
in many of the terrorist types - especially the leaders, but not necessarily 
the followers whom they dupe in to believing their acts are ways of salvation 
from abuse rather than escapes from unacceptable internal conclicts.   It is 
also apparent in some political leaders, including some currently prominent
on the world stage, in varying intensities.

Now, how does this fit in OS type questions.   I'd really have to think
hard to rationalize that.Sorry.

jerry

 
 
 Flame war anyone?
 
 Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign.
 
 The mother of all flame wars.
 
 Classic retreat strategy.  Make the earth worthless.  Kind of doesn't 
 work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown.
 
 Classic? How wasted his own resources like this before?
 
 Erich
 
 PS:
 
 I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand 
 the irony in here
 
 
 Erich
 
 
 
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Bart Silverstrim



Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.


Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are foreign born and using the correct term
is wrong.


Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it 
forward on the chat list, where it belongs?  It's getting very old.


How about a law describing the time it takes for someone to start 
complaining that thread XYZ needs to be moved elsewhere where it truly 
belongs, thus both voicing their dislike of the thread and still 
prolonging and contributing to the noise at the same time?


:-)

-Bart
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:38:55AM +0100, Peo Nilsson wrote:

 
 On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
 
   it was the fascism that lost the war.  He discarded his country for his 
   fascism.
 
 *No* humans *win* any kind of war.
 They *all* loose...

So obviously true that only those who experience it, see it.

 
 ...will they ever learn?.
 
 Well, by erasing the history, no matter who tried
 to write it, the chance decrease...

Hmmm.   I have come to think that our writing our history condemns
us to repeat it rather than the other way around.With oral history
it is possible to creatively adjust it in each generation.  With written
history, it is only creatively adjusted (no history is written truthfully)
when it is first written down which is the time it is least understood
or at least, least seen in perspective.

Then, since it is written, we seem condemned to believing it rather
than making it useful to our needs.

jerry

 
 
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Kevin Kinsey

Bart Silverstrim wrote:



Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Tuesday, November 27, 2007 01:19:50 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.


Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are foreign born and using the correct term
is wrong.


Could we please dump this crap from the questions list and carry it 
forward on the chat list, where it belongs?  It's getting very old.


How about a law describing the time it takes for someone to start 
complaining that thread XYZ needs to be moved elsewhere where it truly 
belongs, thus both voicing their dislike of the thread and still 
prolonging and contributing to the noise at the same time?




10h42m in the present thread's case; if 
($threadXYZ['title']==who wrote this), then

it's 47h29m, or approximately two days, which
seems to be a more reasonable estimate based on
my experience with the lists, and not taking into
account whether or not the OP is a known troll,
in which case it's 2 to 3 times faster, at least.

:-D

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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread Chuck Robey

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.

Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.


It doesen't matter.  What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also
very subjective.  However, Godwin's law works anyway.



Man, this leaves me confused as to how to respond.  The notion of 
changing anything for the mere mention of political correctness is 
abhorrent, but OTOH, I do hate anything smelling of Naziism.  And, 
finally, although I don't want to see changes in our web page done for 
PC, I really, really dislike the way our web pages are set up now, it's 
just so much harder to get thengs, so much more unpleasant, but I don't 
think I know enough about human-design to be able to give you a 
reasonable explanation of why I dislike our web page setup.


I just do.  Might that be a data point for you?  I betcha a lot of 
others feel just exactly as I do.



Ted
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-27 Thread icantthinkofone

Andy Greenwood wrote:

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:20 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat
Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law


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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
   

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.
  

Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.



It doesen't matter.  What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also
very subjective.  However, Godwin's law works anyway.
  


According to wikipedia (I am aware this isn't a real source) Godwin's 
law is defined thusly.


As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison 
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.


The law isn't subjective at all. It specifically requires the 
comparison of one of the points or platforms to those of Nazis or 
Hitler himself. The comparison itself could be as oblique or 
subjective as you want, but the fact is that it must DIRECTLY involve 
Nazis or Hitler.


However, I don't agree that the proposed Beastie's Law is subjective 
either. It states that the person making the demands is using 
political incorrectness as one of their points as to why the change 
should be made. Whether or not everyone will agree on the political 
(in)correctness of the proposed change is irrelevant.

Ted
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In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.

  Anyone making such a demand automatically loses.

Ted 
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 Beastie's Law:

   Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
 using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
 wrong.

Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are foreign born and using the correct term
is wrong.


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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Beastie's Law:

  Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
wrong.


Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
for example immigrants are foreign born and using the correct term
is wrong.


both terms are offensive here.

I am a foreign talent.

This brings up a new question: what is with the local talent.

Erich
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RE: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:20 PM
 To: Ted Mittelstaedt
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat
 Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law
 
 
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 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
  Beastie's Law:
 
Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
  using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
  wrong.
 
 Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.

It doesen't matter.  What constitutes a Nazi comparison is also
very subjective.  However, Godwin's law works anyway.

Ted
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RE: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:39 PM
 To: Aryeh M. Friedman
 Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; FreeBSD chat
 Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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  Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
  Beastie's Law:
 
Any demand of a modification of FreeBSD or it's website
  using political incorrectness as the justification is automatically
  wrong.
  
  Political Incorrectness is very subjective though.   In some circles
  for example immigrants are foreign born and using the correct term
  is wrong.
 
 both terms are offensive here.
 
 I am a foreign talent.
 

Really?  Cool!  Which planet are you from?

 This brings up a new question: what is with the local talent.
 

The Earthlings started going downhill about 60 years ago when they
dreamed up this device called a TV Set.  But there are signs that
they figured out what they did and are abandoning them - we are
seeing the IQ of the herd rising again and
there is a direct correspondence to average TV watching hours.

Ted
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 The Earthlings started going downhill about 60 years ago when they
 dreamed up this device called a TV Set.  But there are signs that
 they figured out what they did and are abandoning them - we are
 seeing the IQ of the herd rising again and
 there is a direct correspondence to average TV watching hours.


Does this include YouTube?


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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


both terms are offensive here.

I am a foreign talent.



Really?  Cool!  Which planet are you from?


third rock from the sun.



This brings up a new question: what is with the local talent.



The Earthlings started going downhill about 60 years ago when they


and the remaining IQ was killed by hand phones.

Man, market penetration is here above 110%

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:


Does this include YouTube?


this is an incorrect question as Flash is not really supported by FreeBSD.

Erich
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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Joshua Isom


On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:


Hi,

Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:

Does this include YouTube?
this is an incorrect question as Flash is not really supported by 
FreeBSD.


Erich


Nonsense, it's FreeBSD is not really supported by Flash.  Those 
damned Gnu people don't wish to advocate true open source support but 
only to get their favorite hodgepodge supported by those who have 
access to the code.  Reminds me of fascists a bit.


Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well.

Flame war anyone?


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Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law

2007-11-26 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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 Nonsense, it's FreeBSD is not really supported by Flash.  Those
 damned Gnu people don't wish to advocate true open source support
 but only to get their favorite hodgepodge supported by those who
 have access to the code.  Reminds me of fascists a bit.

Comrad Stallman == Comrad Stalin ?

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