Re: Learning UNIX internals
On May 7, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Yes, it will be. You'll need something more basic to start with. While the books you asked about in your initial post will be okay, my suggestion would be [Tanenbaum, Modern Operating Systems, ISBN 0130313580], which provides more of a theoretical background for OS concepts. I'd second this recommendation. Tanenbaum's a good author... -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning UNIX internals
Charles Swiger wrote: On May 7, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Yes, it will be. You'll need something more basic to start with. While the books you asked about in your initial post will be okay, my suggestion would be [Tanenbaum, Modern Operating Systems, ISBN 0130313580], which provides more of a theoretical background for OS concepts. I'd second this recommendation. Tanenbaum's a good author... I'm currently using this book in my OS class this semester. I have no knowledge on unix internals, but this book gives an excellent overview on OS concepts. After we had finished the chapter 2 on threads and process, I used this site to learn about synchornization http://www.llnl.gov/computing/tutorials/workshops/workshop/pthreads/MAIN.html#Overview. Not to mention after finishing each chapter, we used Nachos(http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/tom/nachos/) to build on the ideas Tanenbaum's talked about. Once I'm done with this book, I think I'll be ready to look at the book by Marshall Kirk McKusick. I'm in undergrad in my 2nd year in the computer science curriculm, so I was fortunate to have a great professor to help me along the way. Regards, Alden ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning UNIX internals
On Saturday, 7 May 2005 at 21:13:33 +0300, Sergey S. Ropchan wrote: On 5/7/05, Jon Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I was thinking of getting one of these two books. I want to learn more about how UNIX and in particular, FreeBSD work. Has anyone read either of these books? UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers by Uresh Vahalia I have read this book. I guess it's a good choise not only for you but for others too. A lot of useful information about different *nix systems implementations with good explanations (mutexe, threads, process, scheduler .. etc). Yes, agreed. I think that the McKusick book would be better, though. Design of the UNIX Operating System (Prentice Hall Software Series) by Maurice J. Bach This book more difficult (in educational purposes) then book above, you can read it after Unix Internals ... by Uresh Vahalia. This is my personal opinion. My advice is forget it. It's very old and refers to System V.2. If you want a System V book, the Magic Garden by Goodheart and Cox is a better choice. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Learning UNIX internals
Hi: I was thinking of getting one of these two books. I want to learn more about how UNIX and in particular, FreeBSD work. Has anyone read either of these books? UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers by Uresh Vahalia http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131019082/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/104-6904022-3119131?v=glances=booksn=3863 Design of the UNIX Operating System (Prentice Hall Software Series) by Maurice J. Bach http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0132017997/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/104-6904022-3119131?%5Fencoding=UTF8customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDaten=3863 -- Kind regards, Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning UNIX internals
On 5/7/05, Jon Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I was thinking of getting one of these two books. I want to learn more about how UNIX and in particular, FreeBSD work. Has anyone read either of these books? UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers by Uresh Vahalia http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131019082/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/104-6904022-3119131?v=glances=booksn=3863 Design of the UNIX Operating System (Prentice Hall Software Series) by Maurice J. Bach http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0132017997/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/104-6904022-3119131?%5Fencoding=UTF8customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDaten=3863 -- Kind regards, Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are interested in Unix and FreeBSD this is a good choice: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0201702452/reviews/026-9762435-1924466 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning UNIX internals
On 5/7/05, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are interested in Unix and FreeBSD this is a good choice: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0201702452/reviews/026-9762435-1924466 Thank you Chris: The problem is I don't know what semaphores, mutex locks or therading is. So this book is probably beyond my level. -- Kind regards, Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning UNIX internals
On 5/7/05, Jon Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/7/05, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are interested in Unix and FreeBSD this is a good choice: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0201702452/reviews/026-9762435-1924466 Thank you Chris: The problem is I don't know what semaphores, mutex locks or therading is. So this book is probably beyond my level. -- Kind regards, Jonathan The book actually explains it all quite well. I don't think it presumes too much prior knowledge to be honest. Plus it really goes into a nice amount of detail of why each bit was designed a certain way and why. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning UNIX internals
Jon Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/7/05, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are interested in Unix and FreeBSD this is a good choice: [McKusick/Neville-Neil,The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System, ISBN 0201702452] Thank you Chris: The problem is I don't know what semaphores, mutex locks or therading is. So this book is probably beyond my level. Yes, it will be. You'll need something more basic to start with. While the books you asked about in your initial post will be okay, my suggestion would be [Tanenbaum, Modern Operating Systems, ISBN 0130313580], which provides more of a theoretical background for OS concepts. It depends a little on your own ends, but I think that it is useful to understand what (for example) the idea of a mutex is, separately from how Unix implements one. Good luck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Learning UNIX internals
On 5/7/05, Jon Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I was thinking of getting one of these two books. I want to learn more about how UNIX and in particular, FreeBSD work. Has anyone read either of these books? UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers by Uresh Vahalia I have read this book. I guess it's a good choise not only for you but for others too. A lot of useful information about different *nix systems implementations with good explanations (mutexe, threads, process, scheduler .. etc). http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131019082/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/104-6904022-3119131?v=glances=booksn=3863 Design of the UNIX Operating System (Prentice Hall Software Series) by Maurice J. Bach This book more difficult (in educational purposes) then book above, you can read it after Unix Internals ... by Uresh Vahalia. This is my personal opinion. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0132017997/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/104-6904022-3119131?%5Fencoding=UTF8customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDaten=3863 -- Kind regards, Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are interested in Unix and FreeBSD this is a good choice: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0201702452/reviews/026-9762435-1924466 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Sergey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Learning UNIX internals
On Saturday 07 May 2005 17:30, Jon Drews wrote: On 5/7/05, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are interested in Unix and FreeBSD this is a good choice: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0201702452/r eviews/026-9762435-1924466 Thank you Chris: The problem is I don't know what semaphores, mutex locks or therading is. So this book is probably beyond my level. If you put words like monitor thread mutex semaphore into google you will find a lot of introductory comp-sci lecture notes on this subject. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
