Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
On 24/04/2007, at 3:35 PM, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: If we don't, BSD is gradually going to be usable only by software developers. *cough* OSX *cough* :) Marcus ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
On 4/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/04/07, Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri said: On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/04/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. References: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood I'm sorry but rich media is a fact in the web, and you can't ignore it. Flash is used with Yahoo! maps, and so with alot of useful apps like stocks prices ..etc. Instead of ignoring it, we should see it ported to FreeBSD. I agree. As much as I personally dislike flash, I have business clients who would be willing to switch from Micro$oft to FreeBSD. The main stumbling block is the lack of stable flash support. Where I have deployed test versions of FreeBSD with either OO or KDE with Firefox, they were generally happy except for flash. This is one of the things we need to overcome if we're ever going to be seriously considered as a desktop os. Most clients expect the browser to at least work as well as Micro$oft, however misguided that is. Being taken seriously is over-rated. Being taken seriously as a desktop OS would be an excellent joke was the reality of it not so horrifying. Televisions are much better at providing the sort of cacaphonic nonsense that flash users have come to expect. I am pleased clicking a link and coming across the dreadful, Must have MorkothMedia Flush Player 45.6 or newer installed to use this site. Honestly, I was expecting something jumbly but likely full of information. The download plugin box tells me that I have just saved the time of listening to some irritating music while it dawns on me that I have hit a dead end. The primary use of flash, as I have seen it in such places as you-tube and yahoo, is as a content slash copyright management* frontend. That they, the shadowy and sinister They in this case being that loveable and fuzzy company named after dried mud, even tried porting flash to linux was probably widely regarded as a mistake, at least internally. Porting it to even smaller-market operating systems, as far as the desktop is concerned, sounds like a losing proposition to me. Especially ones with users Quote: What should the BSDs do? As I've said several times in the last five years, that depends on what the projects want. But if we want to be seen as a viable alternative for use by non-developers, my big issue is that we need to understand the end user perspective. We can't just say of any feature If there's nobody there to support it, axe it. As long as there are people who want that feature, we need to support it. If we don't, BSD is gradually going to be usable only by software developers. Greg Lehey, 2004 http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200402/dadvocate.html Quote: FreeBSD developer Scott Long told ZDNet UK on Thursday that the operating system, descended from the Unix derivative BSD, is quickly approaching feature parity with Linux. Lots of work is going on to make FreeBSD more friendly on the desktop, Long said. Within the year, we expect to have, or be near, parity with Linux. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
On 19/04/07, Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri said: On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/04/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. References: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood I'm sorry but rich media is a fact in the web, and you can't ignore it. Flash is used with Yahoo! maps, and so with alot of useful apps like stocks prices ..etc. Instead of ignoring it, we should see it ported to FreeBSD. I agree. As much as I personally dislike flash, I have business clients who would be willing to switch from Micro$oft to FreeBSD. The main stumbling block is the lack of stable flash support. Where I have deployed test versions of FreeBSD with either OO or KDE with Firefox, they were generally happy except for flash. This is one of the things we need to overcome if we're ever going to be seriously considered as a desktop os. Most clients expect the browser to at least work as well as Micro$oft, however misguided that is. Being taken seriously is over-rated. Being taken seriously as a desktop OS would be an excellent joke was the reality of it not so horrifying. Televisions are much better at providing the sort of cacaphonic nonsense that flash users have come to expect. I am pleased clicking a link and coming across the dreadful, Must have MorkothMedia Flush Player 45.6 or newer installed to use this site. Honestly, I was expecting something jumbly but likely full of information. The download plugin box tells me that I have just saved the time of listening to some irritating music while it dawns on me that I have hit a dead end. The primary use of flash, as I have seen it in such places as you-tube and yahoo, is as a content slash copyright management* frontend. That they, the shadowy and sinister They in this case being that loveable and fuzzy company named after dried mud, even tried porting flash to linux was probably widely regarded as a mistake, at least internally. Porting it to even smaller-market operating systems, as far as the desktop is concerned, sounds like a losing proposition to me. Especially ones with users as crabby as [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Just you wait and see. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri said: On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/04/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. References: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood I'm sorry but rich media is a fact in the web, and you can't ignore it. Flash is used with Yahoo! maps, and so with alot of useful apps like stocks prices ..etc. Instead of ignoring it, we should see it ported to FreeBSD. I agree. As much as I personally dislike flash, I have business clients who would be willing to switch from Micro$oft to FreeBSD. The main stumbling block is the lack of stable flash support. Where I have deployed test versions of FreeBSD with either OO or KDE with Firefox, they were generally happy except for flash. This is one of the things we need to overcome if we're ever going to be seriously considered as a desktop os. Most clients expect the browser to at least work as well as Micro$oft, however misguided that is. Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - Port Maintainer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/announce.html --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 06:59 +0300, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/04/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. References: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood I'm sorry but rich media is a fact in the web, and you can't ignore it. Flash is used with Yahoo! maps, and so with alot of useful apps like stocks prices ..etc. Google Maps works just fine without flash - why would you want to constrain your viewport to some poxy applet control? If I want to watch a video, I want to use mplayer, not Firefox, Instead of ignoring it, we should see it ported to FreeBSD. I write web applications for a living, and quite happily ignore the steaming pile of excrement that is rich media applets - the number of 3rd party browser addons whose sole purpose is to disable flash reassures me that I'm not alone in this view signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
Tom Evans wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 06:59 +0300, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/04/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. References: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood I'm sorry but rich media is a fact in the web, and you can't ignore it. Flash is used with Yahoo! maps, and so with alot of useful apps like stocks prices ..etc. Google Maps works just fine without flash - why would you want to constrain your viewport to some poxy applet control? If I want to watch a video, I want to use mplayer, not Firefox, Instead of ignoring it, we should see it ported to FreeBSD. I write web applications for a living, and quite happily ignore the steaming pile of excrement that is rich media applets - the number of 3rd party browser addons whose sole purpose is to disable flash reassures me that I'm not alone in this view What FreeBSD needs is a program to display a map just like Google, MapQuest, Yahoo, etc. Except, here is the kicker, make the map correct. I used an online map for the first time in two years last week, it was wrong. I stopped and picked up a new RM Atlas on my way home. I am afraid I must agree with Mr. Evans, rich media is a comedy. Back in 1998 everyone was screaming it's the content dummy!. That is still true today, and still gleefully ignored by most. Just so long as it is pretty, uses [web|i|e]-insert new buzz here, or wins a Weby, the content is meaningless, and no one seems to care. Sorry, I'll go sit in the corner again. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
On 17/04/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. References: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. And this is the problem! Were it not your opinion, but something likely to happen, it would be so good... bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/04/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. References: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood I'm sorry but rich media is a fact in the web, and you can't ignore it. Flash is used with Yahoo! maps, and so with alot of useful apps like stocks prices ..etc. Instead of ignoring it, we should see it ported to FreeBSD. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: On 4/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/04/07, Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. I hope they kill each other and take the whole retch-media enhanced web experience with them flaming into the pit of hell from which they came. But that's just my opinion. References: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=boiling_blood I'm sorry but rich media is a fact in the web, and you can't ignore it. Flash is used with Yahoo! maps, and so with alot of useful apps like stocks prices ..etc. Instead of ignoring it, we should see it ported to FreeBSD. Flash is a decent media, but it just gets abused like any other form of web-based media. Same goes for Javascript, Java, and even HTML. Flash is just easier to abuse than Java and Javascript because of the tools and delivery of content (audio and video, etc). -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MS, Adobe competition heats up, Will Adobe wake and port Flash to BSD?
Microsoft's answer to Adobe Systems' Flash Player has an official name--Silverlight--and a coveted target audience: media and entertainment companies bringing video to the Web. On Monday at the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) Show in Las Vegas, Microsoft launched Silverlight, a Web browser plug-in for playing media files and displaying interactive Web applications. Silverlight, which has been under development for at least two years, is a player that can display Web applications on both Windows and the Mac in Internet Explorer, Firefox or Safari. The download of the player will be less than 2 megabytes. Like Flash, it has accompanying development tools for both designers and software developers. http://news.com.com/Microsoft+sheds+light+on+Flash+rival/2100-1012_3-6176022.html --- I wonder why Adobe didn't make Native Flash Player for FreeBSD and BSD as well up to now? since we know MS doesn't port such app to Unix in general. Porting Flash to more OSes will sure will make adobe beats MS when it comes to web media. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
