Re: MX freebsd
Glenn Dawson wrote: At 04:53 PM 11/25/2005, Beecher Rintoul wrote: On Friday 25 November 2005 03:43 pm, Francisco Reyes wrote: dick hoogendijk writes: Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. dig nagual.st mx ;;; QUESTION SECTION: ;nagual.st. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 10 mx1.mailhop.org. nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 20 mx2.mailhop.org. bc 86400/3600 24 Should only take a day based on the results above. The command to see your XM settings is dig url mx Did you update the serial number when you changed the MX record? Servers downline will not see the changes otherwise. Actually, the serial number is only used by the slave servers for a particular zone to decide whether or not a zone transfer is needed. I don't think that's entirely true. The serial number is also used by named internally to determine whether to reload your zones, and hence, to make the actual change in memory. AFAIK if you don't update the serial number the change won't take effect. To confirm this I just ran `rndc reload` and then checked /var/log/messages on my closest available OBSD name server. Reloaded named.conf but NOT my zone files. Then I changed the serial on one of my primary zone files and ran `rndc reload` again. This time syslog records that both named.conf and that zone have been reloaded. Of course, the serial number change ALSO signals to slaves that they need to update their copies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MX freebsd
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:58:22 -0800 Greg Maruszeczka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn Dawson wrote: Actually, the serial number is only used by the slave servers for a particular zone to decide whether or not a zone transfer is needed. I don't think that's entirely true. The serial number is also used by named internally to determine whether to reload your zones, and hence, to make the actual change in memory. AFAIK if you don't update the serial number the change won't take effect. Of course, the serial number change ALSO signals to slaves that they need to update their copies. Just to let you all know it all worked out OK. And, yes, sure I did update the serial numbers in the zonefiles. I always do that after (how minor) a change.. Thanks everyone for thinking along. -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 6.0 +++ The Power to Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MX freebsd
At 09:58 AM 11/26/2005, Greg Maruszeczka wrote: Glenn Dawson wrote: At 04:53 PM 11/25/2005, Beecher Rintoul wrote: On Friday 25 November 2005 03:43 pm, Francisco Reyes wrote: dick hoogendijk writes: Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. dig nagual.st mx ;;; QUESTION SECTION: ;nagual.st. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 10 mx1.mailhop.org. nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 20 mx2.mailhop.org. bc 86400/3600 24 Should only take a day based on the results above. The command to see your XM settings is dig url mx Did you update the serial number when you changed the MX record? Servers downline will not see the changes otherwise. Actually, the serial number is only used by the slave servers for a particular zone to decide whether or not a zone transfer is needed. I don't think that's entirely true. The serial number is also used by named internally to determine whether to reload your zones, and hence, to make the actual change in memory. AFAIK if you don't update the serial number the change won't take effect. To confirm this I just ran `rndc reload` and then checked /var/log/messages on my closest available OBSD name server. Reloaded named.conf but NOT my zone files. Then I changed the serial on one of my primary zone files and ran `rndc reload` again. This time syslog records that both named.conf and that zone have been reloaded. Did you actually make a change to one of the zone files? or did you just look at logs? If you make a change to one of the zone files without changing the serial number, and then do rndc reload, the changes will be reflected in queries sent to that named process. To quote the fourth edition of DNS and BIND page 432: When you reload the primary, it loads the updated zone file regardless of whether you've changed the serial number. -Glenn Of course, the serial number change ALSO signals to slaves that they need to update their copies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MX freebsd
Glenn Dawson wrote: At 09:58 AM 11/26/2005, Greg Maruszeczka wrote: Glenn Dawson wrote: At 04:53 PM 11/25/2005, Beecher Rintoul wrote: On Friday 25 November 2005 03:43 pm, Francisco Reyes wrote: dick hoogendijk writes: Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. dig nagual.st mx ;;; QUESTION SECTION: ;nagual.st. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 10 mx1.mailhop.org. nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 20 mx2.mailhop.org. bc 86400/3600 24 Should only take a day based on the results above. The command to see your XM settings is dig url mx Did you update the serial number when you changed the MX record? Servers downline will not see the changes otherwise. Actually, the serial number is only used by the slave servers for a particular zone to decide whether or not a zone transfer is needed. I don't think that's entirely true. The serial number is also used by named internally to determine whether to reload your zones, and hence, to make the actual change in memory. AFAIK if you don't update the serial number the change won't take effect. To confirm this I just ran `rndc reload` and then checked /var/log/messages on my closest available OBSD name server. Reloaded named.conf but NOT my zone files. Then I changed the serial on one of my primary zone files and ran `rndc reload` again. This time syslog records that both named.conf and that zone have been reloaded. Did you actually make a change to one of the zone files? or did you just look at logs? If you make a change to one of the zone files without changing the serial number, and then do rndc reload, the changes will be reflected in queries sent to that named process. To quote the fourth edition of DNS and BIND page 432: When you reload the primary, it loads the updated zone file regardless of whether you've changed the serial number. I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification and reference. G ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MX freebsd
dick hoogendijk writes: Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. dig nagual.st mx ;;; QUESTION SECTION: ;nagual.st. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 10 mx1.mailhop.org. nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 20 mx2.mailhop.org. bc 86400/3600 24 Should only take a day based on the results above. The command to see your XM settings is dig url mx ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MX freebsd
On Friday 25 November 2005 03:43 pm, Francisco Reyes wrote: dick hoogendijk writes: Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. dig nagual.st mx ;;; QUESTION SECTION: ;nagual.st. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 10 mx1.mailhop.org. nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 20 mx2.mailhop.org. bc 86400/3600 24 Should only take a day based on the results above. The command to see your XM settings is dig url mx Did you update the serial number when you changed the MX record? Servers downline will not see the changes otherwise. Beech --- Beech Rintoul - System Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | NorthWind Communications \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ --- pgpVj8HCfBY2O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MX freebsd
At 04:53 PM 11/25/2005, Beecher Rintoul wrote: On Friday 25 November 2005 03:43 pm, Francisco Reyes wrote: dick hoogendijk writes: Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. dig nagual.st mx ;;; QUESTION SECTION: ;nagual.st. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 10 mx1.mailhop.org. nagual.st. 86400 IN MX 20 mx2.mailhop.org. bc 86400/3600 24 Should only take a day based on the results above. The command to see your XM settings is dig url mx Did you update the serial number when you changed the MX record? Servers downline will not see the changes otherwise. Actually, the serial number is only used by the slave servers for a particular zone to decide whether or not a zone transfer is needed. -Glenn Beech --- Beech Rintoul - System Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | NorthWind Communications \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MX freebsd
Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. Mail arrives (luckely) because those servers are still operational, but...(?) When are the dns servers for the freebsd mailservers updated? Here's what I have, a near full output. Are all your name servers running on dynamic DNS? Could the lookups be coming from a stale DNS cache? What are the results that you are looking for? What are the results that are incorrect? Have you done a dig against all your nameservers to ensure they are all accurate? Are you running an MX cluster? Are your secondary DNS servers reflecting the same records as the primar(ies)? ie: # dig @myprimary.dns.server mx mydomain.com # dig @mysecondary.dns.server mx mydomain.com # dig @mythird.dns.server mx mydomain.com # ..3..4...and 5 At minimum, we need to know the original (old) IP, and the proper (new) IP of your MX records: pearl# dig mx nagual.st ; DiG 8.3 mx nagual.st ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 53494 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 11 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; nagual.st, type = MX, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: nagual.st. 1D IN MX10 mx1.mailhop.org. nagual.st. 1D IN MX20 mx2.mailhop.org. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: nagual.st. 1D IN NSns2.mydyndns.org. nagual.st. 1D IN NSns3.mydyndns.org. nagual.st. 1D IN NSns4.mydyndns.org. nagual.st. 1D IN NSns5.mydyndns.org. nagual.st. 1D IN NSns1.nagual.st. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: mx1.mailhop.org.1H IN A 63.208.196.176 mx1.mailhop.org.1H IN A 63.208.196.175 mx2.mailhop.org.1H IN A 204.13.250.92 mx2.mailhop.org.1H IN A 204.13.249.91 mx2.mailhop.org.1H IN A 204.13.249.92 mx2.mailhop.org.1H IN A 204.13.250.91 ns2.mydyndns.org. 21h2m56s IN A 204.13.249.82 ns3.mydyndns.org. 10h26m41s IN A 63.209.15.211 ns4.mydyndns.org. 10h26m41s IN A 213.155.150.206 ns5.mydyndns.org. 9h14m46s IN A 63.208.196.93 ns1.nagual.st. 1D IN A 82.74.2.186 -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 6.0 ++ The Power to Serve + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MX freebsd
Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. Mail arrives (luckely) because those servers are still operational, but...(?) When are the dns servers for the freebsd mailservers updated? -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 6.0 ++ The Power to Serve + Nai tiruvantel ar vayuvantel i Valar tielyanna nu vilja ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MX freebsd
dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. Mail arrives (luckely) because those servers are still operational, but...(?) When are the dns servers for the freebsd mailservers updated? Depends on how your DNS was set up. _Your_ DNS records include information about how long it is OK to cache DNS records. I've seen these timeouts occasionally set as high as a week, although even larger values are certainly possible. Check in your DNS zone to see what they are set to. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MX freebsd
Bill Moran wrote: dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea how long it takes until the MX freebsd mailservers know that my mail relay has changed? It's three days ago now that I changed my MX records and still mail for nagual.st is routed to my old mx mailservers. Mail arrives (luckely) because those servers are still operational, but...(?) When are the dns servers for the freebsd mailservers updated? Depends on how your DNS was set up. _Your_ DNS records include information about how long it is OK to cache DNS records. And don't forget to update the Serial on your DNS source file otherwise nothing will notice the change. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
