Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 09:36:36AM -0500, Bob Johnson wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > >>Only my personal experience. In addition to not being > >>comfortable with > >>the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my > >>Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and > >>thus The Devil. > >> > >> > > > > > >Man, you must have a hell of a lot of fun with these people. What > >do they do when you start citing biblical verses that blow the > >crap out of their preconceptions? > > > >Ted > > > > I learned years ago that it is a waste of time. They just say it > doesn't apply because . > > And I thought the Ouija-board mouse pad was one of the funniest things > I've ever seen. http://www.greystoneinn.net/d/20010104.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
Only my personal experience. In addition to not being comfortable with the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and thus The Devil. Man, you must have a hell of a lot of fun with these people. What do they do when you start citing biblical verses that blow the crap out of their preconceptions? Ted I learned years ago that it is a waste of time. They just say it doesn't apply because . And I thought the Ouija-board mouse pad was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. - Bob As an aside to this, I for one know plenty of good, decent, "religious" people who are quite content to live their lives according to their own beliefs without insisting on forcing those beliefs on others. Of course, if you ask them, they'll talk about it with you, but they will not insist that you live your life a certain way simply because they are present. Just because your own experience includes interaction with a few overbearing religious people, please do not be so quick to judge what is, for the most part, a peace-loving community. Unfortunately it's usually the loud, overbearing, fire and brimstone kind of people who get all the religious publicity and misrepresent what most of the religious community stands for. - Jordan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Only my personal experience. In addition to not being comfortable with the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and thus The Devil. Man, you must have a hell of a lot of fun with these people. What do they do when you start citing biblical verses that blow the crap out of their preconceptions? Ted I learned years ago that it is a waste of time. They just say it doesn't apply because . And I thought the Ouija-board mouse pad was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
I love the, so called "evil" beastie but it's not like the idea of a new logo will make the FreeBSD OS any different! Here's a good view: Get over it... build a bridge... go write some software or do something else *useful* that makes a real difference. If you guy's, love beastie so much, get him printed on your forehead next to a love heart and stop wasting FreeBSD.org's bandwidth and my time reading this poo! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html -- Cheers, Mick E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.deathnet.id.au ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
Bob Johnson writes: > I work in an office largely populated by born-again Christians, and some > of them very definitely object to the BSD logo. Even after I explained > the "daemon" thing, they still didn't think BSD should use "The Devil" > as its logo. It doesn't help that some people use "devil" and "daemon" interchangeably. Daemons were originally morally neutral entities; the Devil (or devils in generally) have been mostly evil creatures throughout history. Of course, Judeo-Christian tradition turned daemons into fundamentally evil creatures (instead of just metaphysical helpers), too. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Johnson > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:45 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Cc: Jacob S > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such > asNetBSD!!! > > > It IS because of "Bible thumpers". If it weren't for them, we > wouldn't > be having this discussion. > > > Only my personal experience. In addition to not being > comfortable with > the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my > Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and > thus The Devil. > > Man, you must have a hell of a lot of fun with these people. What do they do when you start citing biblical verses that blow the crap out of their preconceptions? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
On Thursday 10 February 2005 06:00 pm, Mark A. Garcia wrote: > > > I'd like to hear a story of a system administrator who has chosen not > to use FreeBSD explicitly because of the logo. That would be way > more entertaining. Everyone could learn more about human nature. > > -.mag If you're trying to limit the argument to a specific cause-and-effect relationship between the logo and choice of OS, you're missing a larger picture composed of several issues. There are many facets of this issue that affect current FreeBSD users. For example, I chose FreeBSD; but getting approval from my employer was an uphill battle. Other issues include logo printability (and quality thereof), and license issues. Best regards, Andrew Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
Bob Johnson wrote: I work in an office largely populated by born-again Christians, and some of them very definitely object to the BSD logo. Even after I explained the "daemon" thing, they still didn't think BSD should use "The Devil" as its logo. It IS because of "Bible thumpers". If it weren't for them, we wouldn't be having this discussion. So is it, "Bible thumpers" equals, born-again Christians? Or could one say that just "Bible thumpers" in general, or maybe "Koran thumpers", or even "Torah thumpers"? Only my personal experience. In addition to not being comfortable with the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and thus The Devil. I'd like to hear a story of a system administrator who has chosen not to use FreeBSD explicitly because of the logo. That would be way more entertaining. Everyone could learn more about human nature. -.mag ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:31:30 -0600 > From: Jacob S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!! [...] Maybe 'beastie' will turn away some potential users, and maybe it's not "politically correct", and maybe it's not the optimal "business image". But please stop saying this is all because of some "wacko Bible thumpers" that don't like daemons. All of the Christians I know are smart enough to recognize the difference between a "demon" and a Disk And Executive MONitor[1]. I work in an office largely populated by born-again Christians, and some of them very definitely object to the BSD logo. Even after I explained the "daemon" thing, they still didn't think BSD should use "The Devil" as its logo. It IS because of "Bible thumpers". If it weren't for them, we wouldn't be having this discussion. [...] And a very poor example, IMHO. Can you give any proof that it's a valid example to say that Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" in Unix-like operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof on this list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. Only my personal experience. In addition to not being comfortable with the BSD logo, a couple of the programmers here didn't like my Ouija-board mouse pad, because they associated it with the occult, and thus The Devil. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
At 5:27 PM -0500 2/10/05, Louis LeBlanc wrote: On 02/10/05 03:31 PM, Jacob S sat at the `puter and typed: And a very poor example, IMHO. Can you give any proof that it's a valid example to say that Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" in Unix-like operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof on this list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. It comes up on this very list all the time. Always reciting the christian objection to "devils" and whatnot. Google is your friend. No. The people I meet in real life are my friends. Google is a search engine, and capable of finding some web page somewhere for any and every extremist position. You can also find web pages by people who are upset by every company logo which happens to have an eye somewhere in it. That doesn't mean "my friends" have the same objections. I am saying that among the people I actually meet in real life (whether friends or not), not one person has objected to the daemon image based on their religious convictions. Not one. But quite a few have thought that the icon seemed a little silly. It is only among the experienced Unix users who think it's a great, amusing icon. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
Jacob S writes: > And a very poor example, IMHO. I look forward to seeing yours. > Can you give any proof that it's a valid example to say that > Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" in Unix-like > operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof on this > list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 > computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. I don't know what they think of the word daemon, and that was not the topic of the discussion. I was talking about logos. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
On 02/10/05 03:31 PM, Jacob S sat at the `puter and typed: > > And a very poor example, IMHO. Can you give any proof that it's a valid > example to say that Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" > in Unix-like operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof > on this list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 > computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. It comes up on this very list all the time. Always reciting the christian objection to "devils" and whatnot. Google is your friend. L -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 I got this powdered water -- now I don't know what to add. -- Steven Wright ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please don't change Beastie to another logo such asNetBSD!!!
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:32 +0100 Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Louis LeBlanc writes: > > > Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). > > Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only > > considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who > > haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this > > country and need someone or something else to pick on. > > They are potential customers. One of them is even President. Oh, please! Could we stop using stereotypes and putting down this or that "group" of people? When discussing politics and religion with friends, I usually consider myself a little to the "right" of the President, yet I'm still using FreeBSD. Maybe 'beastie' will turn away some potential users, and maybe it's not "politically correct", and maybe it's not the optimal "business image". But please stop saying this is all because of some "wacko Bible thumpers" that don't like daemons. All of the Christians I know are smart enough to recognize the difference between a "demon" and a Disk And Executive MONitor[1]. [1] http://www.web-friend.com/help/lingo/jargon.html#D > > I'm afraid I don't care for it. > > It's just an example. And a very poor example, IMHO. Can you give any proof that it's a valid example to say that Christians object to the use of the acronym "daemon" in Unix-like operating systems? I have not been able to find any proof on this list, the 19 Linux e-mail lists I am on, or the 2 or 3 computer/programming forums I occasionally visit. Note: This e-mail is not intended to argue either in favor of or against the "Beastie" mascot/logo, nor should it be construed in such a way. Jacob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
