Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Maybe it's just me but the idea of a bunch of English speakers sitting around and debating whether or not to permit foreign languages on the mailing list is a bit like a bunch of men sitting around and debating whether or not to legalize abortion. It's an issue that so obviously does not affect the discussors that it's incredible any of them would believe it possibly affects them in any way whatsoever. Ted Why is that? Because we have put down the effort of learning the de facto standard language on the internet, we no longer may have an opinion about the ones that haven't? Or did you just assume that everyone who speaks english is from an english-speaking country? I'm swedish. I (naturally) prefer to speak swedish. But, I speak 2 other languages without problems and can make myself understood in a few more. Still, I would never dream of posting to a mailinglist in any other language then english, unless otherwise requested. There are plenty of mailinglists and supportforums available in almost every language you can imagine. There is no need to increase the noise on @questions with posts that perhaps 1 or 2 percent of the subscribers can understand. -- R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
-Original Message- From: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:55 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Subject: Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomoooc ;() Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Maybe it's just me but the idea of a bunch of English speakers sitting around and debating whether or not to permit foreign languages on the mailing list is a bit like a bunch of men sitting around and debating whether or not to legalize abortion. It's an issue that so obviously does not affect the discussors that it's incredible any of them would believe it possibly affects them in any way whatsoever. Ted Why is that? Because if the only language you know is English, you really don't deserve to weigh in with you opinion on the issue. Just as in abortion, since if your a man you could never possibly have one, you don't deserve to weigh in with an opinion, either. Because we have put down the effort of learning the de facto standard language on the internet, we no longer may have an opinion about the ones that haven't? Or did you just assume that everyone who speaks english is from an english-speaking country? I'm swedish. I (naturally) prefer to speak swedish. But, I speak 2 other languages without problems Then, you deserve to air your opinions on whether to speak English, Swedish, and whatever other language you know on the mailing list, which you have done so in response to the post. In short, since you know other languages than English, your opinion that we should use English and nothing else on the mailing list carries far, far more weight than that of the other english-only bozos that have posted to this thread. just as if science ever figues out how to allow a man to get pregnant and carry a baby to term, then men would then have authority to speak on the topic of abortion. and can make myself understood in a few more. Still, I would never dream of posting to a mailinglist in any other language then english, unless otherwise requested. There are plenty of mailinglists and supportforums available in almost every language you can imagine. There is no need to increase the noise on @questions with posts that perhaps 1 or 2 percent of the subscribers can understand. And if everyone that said that also stated that they knew other languages, I think the discussion would have some merit. Unfortunately most of the posts have been attempts to justify why we should only use English on the list. No one else in support of the English-only position has stated that they knew multiple languages and CHOSE English INSTEAD of their native tongue. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
Even better than the opinion of multilinguists would be that of those who don't know English, but came seeking help anyway. Unfortunatley, it might be a bit tricky to get such opinions -LenZ- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
That would probbaly be colored by whether the help they got worked for them or not. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Leonard Zettel Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:12 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomoooc ;() Even better than the opinion of multilinguists would be that of those who don't know English, but came seeking help anyway. Unfortunatley, it might be a bit tricky to get such opinions -LenZ- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: 1/19/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 05:53 am, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: (snip) I think you need to look up the word xenophobe http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobe There is nothing in having an english-language-only list that fits the definition. Them dam furriners oughta get zivilized learn Anglish! -LenZ- (snip) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
Maybe it's just me but the idea of a bunch of English speakers sitting around and debating whether or not to permit foreign languages on the mailing list is a bit like a bunch of men sitting around and debating whether or not to legalize abortion. It's an issue that so obviously does not affect the discussors that it's incredible any of them would believe it possibly affects them in any way whatsoever. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Leonard Zettel Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:18 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Subject: Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomoooc ;() On Wednesday 18 January 2006 05:53 am, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: (snip) I think you need to look up the word xenophobe http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobe There is nothing in having an english-language-only list that fits the definition. Them dam furriners oughta get zivilized learn Anglish! -LenZ- (snip) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 1/16/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 11:28 am, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Maybe it's just me but the idea of a bunch of English speakers sitting around and debating whether or not to permit foreign languages on the mailing list is a bit like a bunch of men sitting around and debating whether or not to legalize abortion. It's an issue that so obviously does not affect the discussors that it's incredible any of them would believe it possibly affects them in any way whatsoever. Ted Wekk op n smehl da Kaffe, dood! Effn ah kaint reed et, how dew ah no et aint L kadeh plennen to rep muh guhrl? bee jes lahk duh bestads ta yoose Politch! -LenZ- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Leonard Zettel Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:18 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Subject: Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomoooc ;() On Wednesday 18 January 2006 05:53 am, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: (snip) I think you need to look up the word xenophobe http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobe There is nothing in having an english-language-only list that fits the definition. Them dam furriners oughta get zivilized learn Anglish! -LenZ- (snip) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 1/16/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
Wekk op n smehl da Kaffe, dood! Effn ah kaint reed et, how dew ah no et aint L kadeh plennen to rep muh guhrl? bee jes lahk duh bestads ta yoose Politch! -LenZ- C'est du Klingon ?? -- ivan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
Hello, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wekk op n smehl da Kaffe, dood! Effn ah kaint reed et, how dew ah no et aint L kadeh plennen to rep muh guhrl? bee jes lahk duh bestads ta yoose Politch! -LenZ- C'est du Klingon ?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) Martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:25 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wekk op n smehl da Kaffe, dood! Effn ah kaint reed et, how dew ah no et aint L kadeh plennen to rep muh guhrl? bee jes lahk duh bestads ta yoose Politch! -LenZ- C'est du Klingon ?? Not Klingon; Mercan, my native tongue. Maybe the spelling could use a little work though:-) -LenZ- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 1/16/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? I don't really mind someone posting a question in another language as long as they realize that most of us will not be able to respond to it. Often enough, I think, there are others out there who can handle that language and they can respond. Hopefully they will not turn it is to a long running exchange on list in some other language. Now, if someone posts a question in something besides English and then begins to rant and flame people for not responding, then it is not acceptable. But, just starting a question here in another language is not so onerous. jerry Agreed. It's not that I don't see Greg's point, I just don't feel that a small percentage of foreign-language messages bring any harm to anyone. I think we'd be much better off if the proponents of such linguistical segregation devoted their time to eradicating real spam. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 1/15/06, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] Cze¶æ vocativus, Nie wiem w czym tkwi problem, ale spróbuj zapytaæ na polskim forum systemów BSD: http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Why? So other people who speak Polish cannot search the archives to discover that there is a Polish language BSD support forum that they can go to? Are you really so elitist that you believe people who speak other languages are not entitled to information? Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At I've been subscribed to this list for nine years, and for most of that time it was explicitly NOT an English-only list. It was stated policy, whenever anyone raised the issue, that postings in any language were welcome, with the caveat that you are far more likely to get help if you post in English. I don't understand why, for the past two years or so, there has been a campaign to convert this to an English-only list. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? What purpose would it serve? Would it do anything other than reduce communication among the BSD community? This is, after all, the email support address that is published with FreeBSD. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 1/15/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't really mind someone posting a question in another language as long as they realize that most of us will not be able to respond to it. Often enough, I think, there are others out there who can handle that language and they can respond. Hopefully they will not turn it is to a long running exchange on list in some other language. Why do you care if they do? That's the part I don't understand. Now, if someone posts a question in something besides English and then begins to rant and flame people for not responding, then it is not acceptable. But, just starting a question here in another language is not so onerous. On the contrary, I think the policy should be that if you are going to flame someone on this list, you MUST do it in a language other than English. That makes it easier to ignore. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 17 Jan 2006 at 10:09, Bob Johnson wrote: On 1/15/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, if someone posts a question in something besides English and then begins to rant and flame people for not responding, then it is not acceptable. But, just starting a question here in another language is not so onerous. On the contrary, I think the policy should be that if you are going to flame someone on this list, you MUST do it in a language other than English. That makes it easier to ignore. Perhaps it could be required that flames be in Klingon. I doubt that there are too man Klingons on the list who would be offended by having their language be the official language of flames. Besides, it seems an appropriate language for flames by its nature, and the limited number of native speakers would certainly limit the number of flame messages. Now, as for enforcement -- Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pooomooocyyyy ;(
TO JEST ANGIELSKA LISTA MAILOWA. POSZUKAJ POLSKIEJ This is english mailing list, not Polish. please run FreeBSD install CD and enter rescue mode, and type /sbin/dmesg|grep ad this behaviour is very strange, i have never problems with disks on FreeBSD. NEXT TIME PLEASE don't write in Polish here. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pooomooocyyyy ;(
On 1/17/06, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TO JEST ANGIELSKA LISTA MAILOWA. POSZUKAJ POLSKIEJ This is english mailing list, not Polish. Historically, this has not been an English-only list. Questions in any language have been welcome on this list for the nine years that I have subscribed. Why people suddenly believe this has become an English-only list is a mystery to me. Perhaps one of you xenophobes can explain it to me? Why does it bother you so much to see someone post in a language you cannot read? Why can't you just ignore it, just as you ignore other questions that you aren't able to answer? - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pooomooocyyyy ;(
On 1/17/06, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TO JEST ANGIELSKA LISTA MAILOWA. POSZUKAJ POLSKIEJ This is english mailing list, not Polish. Historically, this has not been an English-only list. Questions in any language have been welcome on this list for the nine years that I have subscribed. Why people suddenly believe this has become an English-only list is a mystery to me. Perhaps one of you xenophobes can explain it to me? Why does it bother you so much to see someone post in a language you cannot read? Why can't you just ignore it, just as you ignore other questions that you aren't able to answer? That's pretty much what I do. I even try to guess what some of them are saying if I am not too worn out, but usually am not very successful. I don't understand some of the recent agitation for an English-only statement.It might be OK to include a reminder in the charter something about most of the readers are English speaking so questions posted in another language might not get as much response as those posted in English, but I would guess that most of the non-English posters already realize that. My only hope is that if someone posts in another language doesn't get a satisfactory response, they don't then start flaming about being too English oriented or some such. It has happened a little a couple of times, but not much. jerry - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Tuesday, 17 January 2006 at 13:38:39 -0500, Bob Johnson wrote: On 1/17/06, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TO JEST ANGIELSKA LISTA MAILOWA. POSZUKAJ POLSKIEJ This is english mailing list, not Polish. Historically, this has not been an English-only list. Questions in any language have been welcome on this list for the nine years that I have subscribed. Why people suddenly believe this has become an English-only list is a mystery to me. Perhaps one of you xenophobes can explain it to me? Simple: you misunderstand. Over the eleven years I've been on this list, I've seen a handful of foreign-language messages. Everyone has prompted a please write in English response. Why does it bother you so much to see someone post in a language you cannot read? Why can't you just ignore it, just as you ignore other questions that you aren't able to answer? It's a question of signal to noise ratio. It also doesn't help the sender as much as sending it to the correct list. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpftdewsiAvX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On 1/17/06, Jerry Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: man Klingons No manual entry for Klingons they hate it when you try that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Tuesday, 17 January 2006 at 13:38:39 -0500, Bob Johnson wrote: On 1/17/06, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TO JEST ANGIELSKA LISTA MAILOWA. POSZUKAJ POLSKIEJ This is english mailing list, not Polish. Historically, this has not been an English-only list. Questions in any language have been welcome on this list for the nine years that I have subscribed. Why people suddenly believe this has become an English-only list is a mystery to me. Perhaps one of you xenophobes can explain it to me? I think you need to look up the word xenophobe http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobe There is nothing in having an english-language-only list that fits the definition. Why does it bother you so much to see someone post in a language you cannot read? Why can't you just ignore it, just as you ignore other questions that you aren't able to answer? --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pooomooocyyyy ;(
On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] Cze¶æ vocativus, Nie wiem w czym tkwi problem, ale spróbuj zapytaæ na polskim forum systemów BSD: http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpL5s7xBcJWv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pooomooocyyyy ;(
Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] Cze¶æ vocativus, Nie wiem w czym tkwi problem, ale spróbuj zapytaæ na polskim forum systemów BSD: http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? ciao... don Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. -- Don Hinton don.hinton at vanderbilt.edu615.480.5667 ISIS, Vanderbilt University pgpfYs0E87FoW.pgp Description: PGP signature
English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] Cze¶æ vocativus, Nie wiem w czym tkwi problem, ale spróbuj zapytaæ na polskim forum systemów BSD: http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpvru2bFcInQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: English only, please (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()
On Sunday, 15 January 2006 at 16:49:27 -0600, Don Hinton wrote: Hi Greg: On Sunday 15 January 2006 16:28, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Saturday, 14 January 2006 at 20:02:02 +0100, Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ As I said a couple of days ago, this is an English language list. In a case like this, it would be appropriate to *not* copy the list on the reply, despite the policy to the contrary. Where exactly does it say that this is an english only list? I suppose you have a point. It's implicit; it should be spelt out. At http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html you have a choice of Mailing Lists or Non-English Mailing Lists. -questions is under the former link; the Polish mailing lists are under the latter. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ there's a reference to an inability to speak English. But we should really do something about writing a charter that makes it clear. Anybody feel like having a go? I don't really mind someone posting a question in another language as long as they realize that most of us will not be able to respond to it. Often enough, I think, there are others out there who can handle that language and they can respond. Hopefully they will not turn it is to a long running exchange on list in some other language. Now, if someone posts a question in something besides English and then begins to rant and flame people for not responding, then it is not acceptable. But, just starting a question here in another language is not so onerous. jerry Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --SA70dWWv8Z+SnoUH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDytSKIubykFB6QiMRAuglAJ0TCv8myrrOtPQzb2ryP7mQKjFB1wCghtw/ qV3CukL8rFshuVl2JJ1yW5g= =67AN -END PGP SIGNATURE- --SA70dWWv8Z+SnoUH-- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pooomooocyyyy ;(
vocativus wrote: Witam! [...] Moja obecna konfiguracja: Pł. główna: 939NF4G - SATA2 Procesor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ venice socket 939 Karta graficzna - zintegrowana z płytą główną - GeForce 6100 - pamięć 128MB Karta sieciowa - zintegrowana z płytą główną - Realtek PHY RTL8201CL Karta dźwiękowa - Realtek ALC850 7.1channel AC'97 audio codec RAM - 768MB (128 zarezerwowane dla karty graficznej więc dostępne jest 640MB RAM) Wersja BIOS-u - P1.30 I wziąłem wyczyszczony dysk (bez jakichkolwiek partycji) podłączony jako jedyny dysk, po wybraniu opcji default boot, wybraniu opcji standard, naciśnięciu ok w oknie gdzie pisze coś o fdisk-u, wybraniu dysku - w moim przypadku ad0 wyświetla sie komunikat: Warning: A geometry of 77545/16/63 for ad0 is incorrect. Using a more likely geometry. If this geometry is incorrect or you are unsure as to whether or not it's correct, please consult the Hardware Guide in the Documentation submenu or use the (G)eometry command to change it now Remember: you need to enter whatever your BIOS thinks the geometry is! For IDE it's what yoy were told in the BIOS setup. For SCSI, it's the translation mode your controller is using. Do NOT use a physical geometry I nic dałem na ok, rozplanowałem partycje dałem na instaluj i pojawił mi się komunikat o błędzie, że nie można zapisać danych na dysk i na tym koniec. Cześć vocativus, Nie wiem w czym tkwi problem, ale spróbuj zapytać na polskim forum systemów BSD: http://www.bsdguru.org/dyskusja/ Jeśli chciałbyś uzyskać pomoc na freebsd-questions (lub innych listach na freebsd.org) najlepiej pisać w języku angielskim. Pozdrawiam, Karol P.S. FreeBSD to nie jest Linux :) -- Karol Kwiatkowski freebsd at orchid dot homeunix dot org GPGKey: http://www.orchid.homeunix.org/carlos/gpg/0x06E09309.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Pooomooocyyyy ;(
On Thursday, 12 January 2006 at 10:20:03 +0300, Igor Robul wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:57:04AM +0100, Sasa Stupar wrote: Please write in english if you want any help. There are enought Polish users of FreeBSD who can give more helpful answer than you. If you cant give meaningful answer, why asnwer at all? I think the point is that this is an English language forum. While I have sympathy for people who don't speak English well, I don't think that justifies spamming people with text they can't understand. I also have sympathies for people who speak only English, and they're a much larger group. Isn't there a Polish mailing list? Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpfc7PVYHH2D.pgp Description: PGP signature
Pooomooocyyyy ;(
Witam! Mam duży problem z FreeBSD. Mianowicie... ściągłem sobie system ze strony www.freebsd.org wypaliłem na 2 płytach CD i zainstalowałem. Wszystko dobrze chodziło... do czasu aż zmieniłem komputer tzn. dysk twardy, RAM i nagrywarke mam ze starego. Moja stara konfiguracja: Płyta gł. ASrock k7s8x, 384MB RAM, GeForce 2 MX 400, Dyski twarde: Western Digital 40 GB (ATA 133), i Samsung 60GB (ATA 133). Procesor: Duron 1400 Karta sieciowa - SIS 10/100 zintegrowana z płytą główną Karta dźwiękowa - AC 97 - system jej nie wykrywał poprawnie Na powyższym sprzęcie system pracował bezbłędnie, z wyjątkiem wspomnianej karty dźwiękowej. Moja obecna konfiguracja: Pł. główna: 939NF4G - SATA2 Procesor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ venice socket 939 Karta graficzna - zintegrowana z płytą główną - GeForce 6100 - pamięć 128MB Karta sieciowa - zintegrowana z płytą główną - Realtek PHY RTL8201CL Karta dźwiękowa - Realtek ALC850 7.1channel AC'97 audio codec RAM - 768MB (128 zarezerwowane dla karty graficznej więc dostępne jest 640MB RAM) Wersja BIOS-u - P1.30 I wziąłem wyczyszczony dysk (bez jakichkolwiek partycji) podłączony jako jedyny dysk, po wybraniu opcji default boot, wybraniu opcji standard, naciśnięciu ok w oknie gdzie pisze coś o fdisk-u, wybraniu dysku - w moim przypadku ad0 wyświetla sie komunikat: Warning: A geometry of 77545/16/63 for ad0 is incorrect. Using a more likely geometry. If this geometry is incorrect or you are unsure as to whether or not it's correct, please consult the Hardware Guide in the Documentation submenu or use the (G)eometry command to change it now Remember: you need to enter whatever your BIOS thinks the geometry is! For IDE it's what yoy were told in the BIOS setup. For SCSI, it's the translation mode your controller is using. Do NOT use a physical geometry I nic dałem na ok, rozplanowałem partycje dałem na instaluj i pojawił mi się komunikat o błędzie, że nie można zapisać danych na dysk i na tym koniec. Próbowałem zainstalować FreeBSD w wersji 5.4 (i386), 6.0 (i386), 6.0 (AMD 64) i ciągle się pojawia ten komunikat. Jeśli to Was pocieszy, to linux SuSE nie wykrył mi wogóle żadnego sprzętu, za wyjątkiem drukarki. Czy ja mam na tyle nietypową konfiguracje, że żaden linux nie jest w stanie prawidłowo rozpoznać mojego sprzętu??? Nie byłoby takiego problemu, gdyby nie to, że musze mieć linuxa, bo chodzę do liceum na profil matematyczno - fizyczno - informatyczny i linuxa musze mieć... Prędzej też go miałem zainstalowanego, ale głównie do zabawy, w celu poznania czegoś innego oprócz windowsa. I musze powiedzieć, że FreeBSD to, jak dotąd najlepszy linux, z jakim się spotkałem. Jego instalacja jest z leksza dziwna, ale z 23 - stronicową instrukcją instalacji nie ma najmniejszego problemu. FreeBSD zaskoczył mnie głównie prostotą i niemalże całkowitą automatyzacją instalacji programów, np. poprzez porty. To doskonałe rozwiązanie. I właśnie dlatego wybrałem FreeBSD - jest funkcjonalny, na tych dwóch płytach jest więcej oprogramowania niż w innych dystrybucjach. Jest łatwy w obsłude, chociaż musze przyznać, że początki były tragiczne... ale to chyba normalne. Grunt to sie przyzwyczaić :) Dlatego prosze Was o pomoc... kompletnie nie wiem co robić... pooomooocy ;( -- Jedyny taki CZAT! http://link.interia.pl/f18ee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--On 11. januar 2006 21:36 +0100 vocativus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Witam! Mam du¿y problem z FreeBSD. Mianowicie... ?ci¹g³em sobie system ze strony www.freebsd.org wypali³em na 2 p³ytach CD i zainstalowa³em. Wszystko dobrze chodzi³o... do czasu a¿ zmieni³em komputer tzn. dysk twardy, RAM i nagrywarke mam ze starego. Moja stara konfiguracja: P³yta g³. ASrock k7s8x, 384MB RAM, GeForce 2 MX 400, Dyski twarde: Western Digital 40 GB (ATA 133), i Samsung 60GB (ATA 133). Procesor: Duron 1400 Karta sieciowa - SIS 10/100 zintegrowana z p³yt¹ g³ówn¹ Karta d?wiêkowa - AC 97 - system jej nie wykrywa³ poprawnie Na powy¿szym sprzêcie system pracowa³ bezb³êdnie, z wyj¹tkiem wspomnianej karty d?wiêkowej. Moja obecna konfiguracja: P³. g³ówna: 939NF4G - SATA2 Procesor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ venice socket 939 Karta graficzna - zintegrowana z p³yt¹ g³ówn¹ - GeForce 6100 - pamiêæ 128MB Karta sieciowa - zintegrowana z p³yt¹ g³ówn¹ - Realtek PHY RTL8201CL Karta d?wiêkowa - Realtek ALC850 7.1channel AC'97 audio codec RAM - 768MB (128 zarezerwowane dla karty graficznej wiêc dostêpne jest 640MB RAM) Wersja BIOS-u - P1.30 I wzi¹³em wyczyszczony dysk (bez jakichkolwiek partycji) pod³¹czony jako jedyny dysk, po wybraniu opcji default boot, wybraniu opcji standard, naci?niêciu ok w oknie gdzie pisze co? o fdisk-u, wybraniu dysku - w moim przypadku ad0 wy?wietla sie komunikat: Warning: A geometry of 77545/16/63 for ad0 is incorrect. Using a more likely geometry. If this geometry is incorrect or you are unsure as to whether or not it's correct, please consult the Hardware Guide in the Documentation submenu or use the (G)eometry command to change it now Remember: you need to enter whatever your BIOS thinks the geometry is! For IDE it's what yoy were told in the BIOS setup. For SCSI, it's the translation mode your controller is using. Do NOT use a physical geometry I nic da³em na ok, rozplanowa³em partycje da³em na instaluj i pojawi³ mi siê komunikat o b³êdzie, ¿e nie mo¿na zapisaæ danych na dysk i na tym koniec. Próbowa³em zainstalowaæ FreeBSD w wersji 5.4 (i386), 6.0 (i386), 6.0 (AMD 64) i ci¹gle siê pojawia ten komunikat. Je?li to Was pocieszy, to linux SuSE nie wykry³ mi wogóle ¿adnego sprzêtu, za wyj¹tkiem drukarki. Czy ja mam na tyle nietypow¹ konfiguracje, ¿e ¿aden linux nie jest w stanie prawid³owo rozpoznaæ mojego sprzêtu??? Nie by³oby takiego problemu, gdyby nie to, ¿e musze mieæ linuxa, bo chodzê do liceum na profil matematyczno - fizyczno - informatyczny i linuxa musze mieæ... Prêdzej te¿ go mia³em zainstalowanego, ale g³ównie do zabawy, w celu poznania czego? innego oprócz windowsa. I musze powiedzieæ, ¿e FreeBSD to, jak dot¹d najlepszy linux, z jakim siê spotka³em. Jego instalacja jest z leksza dziwna, ale z 23 - stronicow¹ instrukcj¹ instalacji nie ma najmniejszego problemu. FreeBSD zaskoczy³ mnie g³ównie prostot¹ i niemal¿e ca³kowit¹ automatyzacj¹ instalacji programów, np. poprzez porty. To doskona³e rozwi¹zanie. I w³a?nie dlatego wybra³em FreeBSD - jest funkcjonalny, na tych dwóch p³ytach jest wiêcej oprogramowania ni¿ w innych dystrybucjach. Jest ³atwy w obs³ude, chocia¿ musze przyznaæ, ¿e pocz¹tki by³y tragiczne... ale to chyba normalne. Grunt to sie przyzwyczaiæ :) Dlatego prosze Was o pomoc... kompletnie nie wiem co robiæ... pooomooocy ;( -- Jedyny taki CZAT! http://link.interia.pl/f18ee Please write in english if you want any help. -- Sasa Stupar ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:57:04AM +0100, Sasa Stupar wrote: Please write in english if you want any help. There are enought Polish users of FreeBSD who can give more helpful answer than you. If you cant give meaningful answer, why asnwer at all? To original poster, unfortunately I cannot understand most of your message, but you can ignore warning about disk geometry, at least I see this message every time I install FreeBSD on current hardware. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
