RE: RDEsktop/VNC questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Olaf Hoyer Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:20 AM To: Butterworth, Thaddaeus (Manpower Contract) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RDEsktop/VNC questions On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Butterworth, Thaddaeus (Manpower Contract) wrote: So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? snip I've used the rdesktop client for connecting to a Windows 2003 Server (/usr/ports/net/rdesktop). I wasn't that impressed but then again it could have been a PEBKAC situation. I could not get the screen resolution of the Windoze 2003 server to go anything beyond 640x480 and it looked horribly grainy. Other than that, it did actually connect and allowed me to do all that I needed to. I just couldn't handle the graphic element, which again may have been more a user issue than an issue with the program. Other than that, I have used the Windows RDC programs and they work ok. Thad I use rdesktop regularly to administer some of our Win2003 Servers, and it works well. Special trick is, that I need to hop first on a jumppad, where an extra NIC is attached to the dedicated management VLAN of the Win boxes, and then hop on them via X-forwarded rdesktop- works well, despite that jumppad is a small old crappy Pentium-II, which is also busy doing some other things... so: ssh -X jumppad rdesktop -g 1024x768 win-server That shall give you some window in 1024x768, normal is 800x600 in standard mode. when its smaller, I guess you havent configured the Graphics driver, or its set to standard VGA. Win (also for remote connections) sometimes looks after that settings... HTH Olaf -- Olaf Hoyer[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fuerchterliche Erlebniss geben zu raten, ob der, welcher sie erlebt, nicht etwas Fuerchterliches ist. (Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Boese) Thanks. I'll have to try that. Thad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RDEsktop/VNC questions
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Butterworth, Thaddaeus (Manpower Contract) wrote: So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? snip I've used the rdesktop client for connecting to a Windows 2003 Server (/usr/ports/net/rdesktop). I wasn't that impressed but then again it could have been a PEBKAC situation. I could not get the screen resolution of the Windoze 2003 server to go anything beyond 640x480 and it looked horribly grainy. Other than that, it did actually connect and allowed me to do all that I needed to. I just couldn't handle the graphic element, which again may have been more a user issue than an issue with the program. Other than that, I have used the Windows RDC programs and they work ok. Thad I use rdesktop regularly to administer some of our Win2003 Servers, and it works well. Special trick is, that I need to hop first on a jumppad, where an extra NIC is attached to the dedicated management VLAN of the Win boxes, and then hop on them via X-forwarded rdesktop- works well, despite that jumppad is a small old crappy Pentium-II, which is also busy doing some other things... so: ssh -X jumppad rdesktop -g 1024x768 win-server That shall give you some window in 1024x768, normal is 800x600 in standard mode. when its smaller, I guess you havent configured the Graphics driver, or its set to standard VGA. Win (also for remote connections) sometimes looks after that settings... HTH Olaf -- Olaf Hoyer[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fuerchterliche Erlebniss geben zu raten, ob der, welcher sie erlebt, nicht etwas Fuerchterliches ist. (Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Boese) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
On Nov 10, 2004, at 6:14 PM, Louis LeBlanc wrote: Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? I've used them both (RDP protocol client and various VNC clients on different platforms), and they're for two different things. RDP (the RDC client) is for connecting to Windows Terminal Services; you get a desktop login of your own in your own session. VNC takes remote control of a desktop running the server application. RDP is a hack to turn Windows into a multi user system, while VNC is single-user implementation. Which one should you start with? Depends on the platform and what you're trying to do. If you have a Windows Terminal Server, an RDP client is the way to go. If you don't...VNC is the way to go :-) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
On Nov 10, 2004, at 6:45 PM, Matthew T. Lager wrote: rdesktop (net/rdesktop) is flawless. Use it everday to manage my Windows 2000 Servers. Supports many many many different features. Highly recommened. I'd also add that the WTS is encrypted. I don't believe VNC does much to encrypt the connection, so it should be wrapped in SSH if possible or used over only a trusted network. At least that's my understanding of it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
On Nov 10, 2004, at 6:14 PM, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) Virtual Network Computing Regards, Gary Hayers IT Support Unix Administrator WENN.com World Entertainment News Network ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
On 11/10/04 06:14 PM, Louis LeBlanc sat at the `puter and typed: Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou Very cool feedback. Thank you all. I'll start looking into the terminal service (it didn't get installed with W2K, but I haven't checked out XP Pro yet) and use VNC in the meantime. I'll be using it to write Word docs mostly, and if it's efficient enough, I might just see how well Escape Velocity works (I know, probably not at all). Network security isn't an issue because it's all my personal network behind a firewall. Thanks again. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ There is an old time toast which is golden for its beauty. When you ascend the hill of prosperity may you not meet a friend. -- Mark Twain ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
On Thursday 11 November 2004 10:38 am, Louis LeBlanc wrote: On 11/10/04 06:14 PM, Louis LeBlanc sat at the `puter and typed: Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou Very cool feedback. Thank you all. I'll start looking into the terminal service (it didn't get installed with W2K, but I haven't checked out XP Pro yet) and use VNC in the meantime. I'll be using it to write Word docs mostly, and if it's efficient enough, I might just see how well Escape Velocity works (I know, probably not at all). Network security isn't an issue because it's all my personal network behind a firewall. Thanks again. Lou I'm entering this thread late; so please forgive me if I'm duplicating someone else's input. One of TightVNC's enhancements over VNC is the ability to access the server from a web browser. TightVNC listens on port 5800 + the display number. Therefore, if you would normally use a vncviewer to access the TightVNC server 192.168.0.1:1, you could also access the desktop using any gui internet browser at: http://192.168.0.1:5801/ (I have NOT tested this from browser on a pda or cell phone.) TightVNC is available for many operating systems including FreeBSD (it's in the ports), Windows and Linux. I don't think it's available for Mac OSX. Best of luck, Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
Louis LeBlanc wrote: Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou In my experience, vnc is painfully slow. rdesktop on the other hand has always performed to my full satisfaction. On Unix machines (and IIRC OSX, as well) you can also use X11 (preferrably tunneled through ssh). Kind regards, Benjamin ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
On Thursday 11 November 2004 02:27 pm, Benjamin Walkenhorst wrote: Louis LeBlanc wrote: Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou In my experience, vnc is painfully slow. rdesktop on the other hand has always performed to my full satisfaction. On Unix machines (and IIRC OSX, as well) you can also use X11 (preferrably tunneled through ssh). Kind regards, Benjamin In addition to being secure, tunnelling apps through ssh allows you to minimize the number of ports you leave open in your firewall. (In fact, I think rsync works through ssh by default. You can also start a ssh connection from within kermit for a secure kermit connection.) Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RDEsktop/VNC questions
use /usr/ports/net/tsclient too if you're on rdp more than vnc GUI to rdesktop (still got some limitation than CLI) James H -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:15 AM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RDEsktop/VNC questions Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Pickle's Law: If Congress must do a painful thing, the thing must be done in an odd-number year. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RDEsktop/VNC questions
Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Pickle's Law: If Congress must do a painful thing, the thing must be done in an odd-number year. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:14, Louis LeBlanc wrote: Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou VNC is great - been using it since 2000 we use the windows version for M$ hosts and I can grab my FreeBSD workstation (XFree86/FBSD4.9) from my laptop and can grab the laptop and other hosts from the FBSD box just as easily the current versions are very light on bandwidth too (useful as I often hook machines in Sydney from our Melbourne office via our frame relay link. Used to clobber the link but now is mostly un-noticable) -- Murray Taylor Special Projects Engineer - Bytecraft Systems Entertainment P: +61 3 8710 2555 F: +61 3 8710 2599 D: +61 3 9238 4275 M: +61 417 319 256 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit us on the web http://www.bytecraftsystems.com http://www.bytecraftentertainment.com --- The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of it, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons and/or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please inform the sender and/or addressee immediately and delete the material. E-mails may not be secure, may contain computer viruses and may be corrupted in transmission. Please carefully check this e-mail (and any attachment) accordingly. No warranties are given and no liability is accepted for any loss or damage caused by such matters. --- This Email has been scanned for Viruses by MailMarshal. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RDEsktop/VNC questions
rdesktop (net/rdesktop) is flawless. Use it everday to manage my Windows 2000 Servers. Supports many many many different features. Highly recommened. Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Pickle's Law: If Congress must do a painful thing, the thing must be done in an odd-number year. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RDEsktop/VNC questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:15 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RDEsktop/VNC questions Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Pickle's Law: If Congress must do a painful thing, the thing must be done in an odd-number year. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've used the rdesktop client for connecting to a Windows 2003 Server (/usr/ports/net/rdesktop). I wasn't that impressed but then again it could have been a PEBKAC situation. I could not get the screen resolution of the Windoze 2003 server to go anything beyond 640x480 and it looked horribly grainy. Other than that, it did actually connect and allowed me to do all that I needed to. I just couldn't handle the graphic element, which again may have been more a user issue than an issue with the program. Other than that, I have used the Windows RDC programs and they work ok. Thad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RDEsktop/VNC questions
Hmm, I havn't used it with Windows 2003 server yet, good to know. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:15 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RDEsktop/VNC questions Quick question about interconnectivity. You OSX users may be familiar with a very slick little utility called RDC (Remote Desktop Connection). Some of you other *BSDers may also be familiar with one called VNC (Visual Network Connection ?) or RDP (?). The purpose of said utilities is to provide a sort of graphical shell similar to an X session from a remote machine in a window. There are several rdesktop and vnc clients in the ports, so rather than go through the flurry of install-tryout-uninstall/repeat, I figured I'd go to the place to ask questions. Here. So, who's using these clients, and how effective have you been finding them? Any gotchas? How cool is it? Do they just plain suck? And more to the point, which one(s) should I start with on the short list? All feedback is welcome - and appreciated. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Pickle's Law: If Congress must do a painful thing, the thing must be done in an odd-number year. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've used the rdesktop client for connecting to a Windows 2003 Server (/usr/ports/net/rdesktop). I wasn't that impressed but then again it could have been a PEBKAC situation. I could not get the screen resolution of the Windoze 2003 server to go anything beyond 640x480 and it looked horribly grainy. Other than that, it did actually connect and allowed me to do all that I needed to. I just couldn't handle the graphic element, which again may have been more a user issue than an issue with the program. Other than that, I have used the Windows RDC programs and they work ok. Thad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
