Re: Lousy network performance ...

2005-12-13 Thread N. Raghavendra
At 2005-12-13T10:15:48+01:00, Kiffin Gish wrote:

 My service-provider claims that his network is just fine (of
 course!) and that the problem is because of all the 'so-called junk'
 I have configured on my home network on my side of the connection.

You could use Iperf (http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iperf/), if your
ISP agrees to install an Iperf server at his end of the connection.
When we had a similar problem here, the ISP refused to do so.  Since
the ISP believed only readings from MS Windows/Linux (and not *BSD),
we put a machine running Linux at our end, and by downloading large
files with wget(1) from high bandwidth servers like `kernel.org',
convinced them that we were not getting what we should have been.

Raghavendra.

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Re: Lousy network performance ...

2005-12-13 Thread Bob Lee
Quoting Kiffin Gish [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I am having problems with a slow Internet DSL-connection, especially while
 surfing around the web.

Try starting with bing and choose some points you can test from both
in and out of your local network. Bing should be in the ports
collection.

Bob
 
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RE: Lousy network performance ...

2005-12-13 Thread Gayn Winters
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 Subject: Lousy network performance ...
 
 
 I am having problems with a slow Internet DSL-connection, 
 especially while
 surfing around the web.
 
 My service-provider claims that his network is just fine (of 
 course!) and
 that the problem is because of all the 'so-called junk' I 
 have configured on
 my home network on my side of the connection.
 
 On my side of the adsl-modem/router I have a router which is connected
 directly to two Windows XP desktops, via a switch to two 
 FreeBSD machines
 (webserver and fileserver) and via a wireless link my combo 
 FreeBSD/Windows
 XP laptop. I have Samba running for file exchange bweteen the 
 Windows and
 FreeBSD boxes and I have port 80 opened on the 
 adsl-moden/router to allow
 access to a couple of web sites I am running.
 
 Is there some kind of way to prove my ISP is wrong by doing a 
 trace? What
 tools are available? How can I demonstrate that the 
 bottleneck is not my
 home network but the DSL-connection?

Unplug your router, plug in a PC to the adsl-modem.  Set the PC to your
router's external IP address, DNS, and gateway.  Test the speed. (If
your ISP won't provide a speed test, Google for DSL speed test and pick
an appropriate one.)  If you got your ISP to visit you, this is what
they would do.  They won't (and shouldn't) believe anything else.  Your
web sites will be down for less than 5 minutes.

-gayn

Bristol Systems Inc.
714/532-6776
www.bristolsystems.com 


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Re: Lousy network performance ...

2005-12-13 Thread Chris
Gayn Winters wrote:
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Subject: Lousy network performance ...


I am having problems with a slow Internet DSL-connection, 
especially while
surfing around the web.

My service-provider claims that his network is just fine (of 
course!) and
that the problem is because of all the 'so-called junk' I 
have configured on
my home network on my side of the connection.

On my side of the adsl-modem/router I have a router which is connected
directly to two Windows XP desktops, via a switch to two 
FreeBSD machines
(webserver and fileserver) and via a wireless link my combo 
FreeBSD/Windows
XP laptop. I have Samba running for file exchange bweteen the 
Windows and
FreeBSD boxes and I have port 80 opened on the 
adsl-moden/router to allow
access to a couple of web sites I am running.

Is there some kind of way to prove my ISP is wrong by doing a 
trace? What
tools are available? How can I demonstrate that the 
bottleneck is not my
home network but the DSL-connection?
 
 
 Unplug your router, plug in a PC to the adsl-modem.  Set the PC to your
 router's external IP address, DNS, and gateway.  Test the speed. (If
 your ISP won't provide a speed test, Google for DSL speed test and pick
 an appropriate one.)  If you got your ISP to visit you, this is what
 they would do.  They won't (and shouldn't) believe anything else.  Your
 web sites will be down for less than 5 minutes.
 
 -gayn

In addition to the above - keep in mind that most DSL/ADSL is for the
most part, 1.4 meg download and 128k up.

What does that mean? Well - consider the fact while you run a few
webservers, users browsing to those sites are only abable to access it
by my above example, 128k.

Now, imagine several users from the world accessing those same sites. Do
you see where the issues are?

Your provider may very well be telling you the truth. You may be
saturating your pipe without even knowing it.

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Best regards,
Chris

It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money.
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RE: Lousy network performance ...

2005-12-13 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt

Turn on SNMP on your router plugged into the adsl modem and use a
tool like mrtg to graph the circuit utilization.

Also, access your adsl modem's error counters and find out what your
signal to noise ratio is, what your received decibel level is, if your
taking
errors, and such.  Some of the consumer modems do not have these
counters accessible and can only be queried via the DSLAM operator.

Your service provider is right to push the problem back to you because
it almost certainly is not their network.  If it was their network you
would
notice a definite change at different time of days - if they are
overloaded
then at 4:00am you should get lightning speed.  If your DSL sucks at
that time then it's your problem, not their network.

Unfortunately for you, however, your service provider didn't explain
to you what you need to do to properly troubleshoot this.  It could
possibly be that you ASSUMED the problem was their network and
pissed them off when you called in.  I would suggest you call them
again, politely, and ask, not demand, that they check signal levels
and error counters on your phone line.  If they can't do this then have
them refer you to the telco that can.

One other piece of advice for you, if your goal is to prove the ISP
is wrong then you ought to just find another ISP.  Your goal should
be to find out the cause of the slowness, not in assessing blame.
If your using a consumer ISP it is likely the first level tech support
people probably cannot help you since their main job is helping
people fix their misguided PC desktops, and they usually aren't
even allowed to touch the back end equipment. But they can in
fact hurt you badly by simply not passing you to the upper-level
tech people who could help you.  So, be nice to them.

Ted

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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:16 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Lousy network performance ...


I am having problems with a slow Internet DSL-connection,
especially while
surfing around the web.

My service-provider claims that his network is just fine (of
course!) and
that the problem is because of all the 'so-called junk' I have
configured on
my home network on my side of the connection.

On my side of the adsl-modem/router I have a router which is connected
directly to two Windows XP desktops, via a switch to two
FreeBSD machines
(webserver and fileserver) and via a wireless link my combo
FreeBSD/Windows
XP laptop. I have Samba running for file exchange bweteen the
Windows and
FreeBSD boxes and I have port 80 opened on the
adsl-moden/router to allow
access to a couple of web sites I am running.

Is there some kind of way to prove my ISP is wrong by doing a
trace? What
tools are available? How can I demonstrate that the bottleneck is not my
home network but the DSL-connection?

Thanks a lot in advance.

--
Kiffin Rex Gish
Gouda, The Netherlands

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