Re: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

2004-01-13 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 01:34:25PM +0200, Vahric MUHTARYAN typed:
 Hi Everybody , 
 
   I heared in list and some sites that some times after makeworld
 system can't boot .  I wonder What FreeBSD Admins make to solve this problem
 . Does possbile to prevent this problem ?! Any way ?! 

What exactly have you done to makeworld and what do you mean by system
can't boot (error messages) ?

 
 Vahric 
 
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RE: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

2004-01-13 Thread Vahric MUHTARYAN
Hi , 

I did not make something now and I don't have a problem with makeworld. But
I red something in FreeBSD from scratch and I saw that some problem can
occur and after makeworld process OS is not openinig  

Vahric  

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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 01:34:25PM +0200, Vahric MUHTARYAN typed:
 Hi Everybody , 
 
   I heared in list and some sites that some times after makeworld
 system can't boot .  I wonder What FreeBSD Admins make to solve this
problem
 . Does possbile to prevent this problem ?! Any way ?! 

What exactly have you done to makeworld and what do you mean by system
can't boot (error messages) ?

 
 Vahric 
 
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Re: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

2004-01-13 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Tuesday 13 January 2004 07:02 am, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote:
 Hi ,

 I did not make something now and I don't have a problem with makeworld. But
 I red something in FreeBSD from scratch and I saw that some problem can
 occur and after makeworld process OS is not openinig 

 Vahric

This is not going to sound very helpful; but if you're trying to be 
proactive...read the documentation thoroughly and follow the steps 
carefully.  Don't cut corners or make mistakes.

Unless you can predict the error, it's hard to predict the solution.

Best regards,

Andrew Gould

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RE: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

2004-01-13 Thread Vahric MUHTARYAN
Did you ever have any problem about makeworld process ?! 
I afraid of one day will come and I can't boot my FreeBSD  

Vahric 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew L. Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:31 PM
To: Vahric MUHTARYAN; 'Ruben de Groot'
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Subject: Re: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

On Tuesday 13 January 2004 07:02 am, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote:
 Hi ,

 I did not make something now and I don't have a problem with makeworld.
But
 I red something in FreeBSD from scratch and I saw that some problem can
 occur and after makeworld process OS is not openinig 

 Vahric

This is not going to sound very helpful; but if you're trying to be 
proactive...read the documentation thoroughly and follow the steps 
carefully.  Don't cut corners or make mistakes.

Unless you can predict the error, it's hard to predict the solution.

Best regards,

Andrew Gould

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Re: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

2004-01-13 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Tuesday 13 January 2004 09:31 am, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote:
 Did you ever have any problem about makeworld process ?!
 I afraid of one day will come and I can't boot my FreeBSD

 Vahric

For me, the trickiest part was understanding and executing 'mergemaster -i' 
after 'make world'.  Once I got a feel for it, updating my system has been a 
breeze.

Best of luck,

Andrew Gould

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RE: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

2004-01-13 Thread Scott Mitchell
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 Did you ever have any problem about makeworld process ?!
 I afraid of one day will come and I can't boot my FreeBSD
 
 Vahric

This is why the recommended update process is (in part):

# make buildworld
# make buildkernel
# make installkernel

Followed by a reboot into single-user mode before doing the installworld.
If the new kernel doesn't boot, you've still got the previous one in
/kernel.old, so you can just boot from that one and carry on without having
trashed any part of your system.

If installworld somehow manages to make your system unbootable, you have a
few options:
- boot single-user and try to fix things with the tools in /stand (or
/rescue on 5.x)
- boot CD #2 and try to fix things with the tools in the live filesystem
- restore from backups (you do have backups, right?)

Personally, I've made plenty of unbootable kernels, and a few worlds that
behaved strangely in places, but never an unusable system (fingers crossed
:-)

Scott

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Re: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

2004-01-13 Thread Kent Stewart
On Tuesday 13 January 2004 07:31 am, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote:
 Did you ever have any problem about makeworld process ?!
 I afraid of one day will come and I can't boot my FreeBSD

Go back and read the archive on problems updating from 5.1 to 5.2. The statfs 
problem would render your system unbootable if you did an installworld before 
you booted to an updated and installed kernel.

Kent


 Vahric

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 Subject: Re: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

 On Tuesday 13 January 2004 07:02 am, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote:
  Hi ,
 
  I did not make something now and I don't have a problem with makeworld.

 But

  I red something in FreeBSD from scratch and I saw that some problem can
  occur and after makeworld process OS is not openinig 
 
  Vahric

 This is not going to sound very helpful; but if you're trying to be
 proactive...read the documentation thoroughly and follow the steps
 carefully.  Don't cut corners or make mistakes.

 Unless you can predict the error, it's hard to predict the solution.

 Best regards,

 Andrew Gould

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RE: Whan can I do if OS does not boot after makeworld

2004-01-13 Thread Micheas Herman
On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 07:55, Scott Mitchell wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Did you ever have any problem about makeworld process ?!
  I afraid of one day will come and I can't boot my FreeBSD
  
  Vahric
 
 This is why the recommended update process is (in part):
 
 # make buildworld
 # make buildkernel
 # make installkernel
 
 Followed by a reboot into single-user mode before doing the installworld.

This is the place that I have been bitten.  In 5.x (I don't know
about 4.x off the top of my head) you have to type shutdown -r
now and NOT shutdown now The later keeps using your old
kernel which is what you are trying not to do. It was an new
system in a huge mess so I just reinstalled instead of trying to
fix the problems.


Micheas

 If the new kernel doesn't boot, you've still got the previous one in
 /kernel.old, so you can just boot from that one and carry on without having
 trashed any part of your system.
 
 If installworld somehow manages to make your system unbootable, you have a
 few options:
 - boot single-user and try to fix things with the tools in /stand (or
 /rescue on 5.x)
 - boot CD #2 and try to fix things with the tools in the live filesystem
 - restore from backups (you do have backups, right?)
 
 Personally, I've made plenty of unbootable kernels, and a few worlds that
 behaved strangely in places, but never an unusable system (fingers crossed
 :-)
 
   Scott
 
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