Re: 4.6-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE...
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:00:50AM +, Crispy Beef wrote: There have been major changes in processes such as threads. You also have to boot the 5.3 update in single user mode to have a kernel that accepts the new arrangement and then install the userland. Before 5.1 or 5.2 it didn't matter much but there was an fs change that you update in single user mode or boot the fix disc to finish the botched update. You also have the problem that probably none of your ports from 4.x will work at 6.0. This could take quite a bit of time to upgrade. One advantage is that I didn't really bother with the ports on that server, I rolled my own apps as I wasn't totally up with the ports system at the time, just seemed easier until I go the hang of it, so I probably would go for a fresh install of ports and get the latest versions of software installed that way. You'll need to delete them all by hand somehow, of course. Otherwise you'll have conflicts between your old and new stuff. The server is used for web hosting so I only really need to save out a few config files for virtual hosts etc. and the email directories. It's sounding as though it might be easier just to have an hour or two of downtime late one night and do a fresh install... Yes, this will be easiest (or use sysinstall's 'upgrade' mode). Unless you have a serial console, doing the src upgrade will be hard and prone to dramatic failure. Kris pgpI4xaDsqnS4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 4.6-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE...
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:08:11PM -0500, fbsd_user wrote: There is a new and faster file system which is introduced in release-5.4. Performance benefits weren't a goal of UFS2. If your disk hardware is fast enough (i.e. not crappy ATA hardware) you might see a small performance boost, as I did in my tests. The cause of this isn't well-understood, i.e. it seems to be a side-effect of something else. The cost is that UFS2 performs more disk I/O than UFS1, which means that if your disk hardware is already saturated (see: aforementioned crappy ATA hardware), it may actually be slower. Kris pgpVr9w6lN5nN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 4.6-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE...
There have been major changes in processes such as threads. You also have to boot the 5.3 update in single user mode to have a kernel that accepts the new arrangement and then install the userland. Before 5.1 or 5.2 it didn't matter much but there was an fs change that you update in single user mode or boot the fix disc to finish the botched update. You also have the problem that probably none of your ports from 4.x will work at 6.0. This could take quite a bit of time to upgrade. One advantage is that I didn't really bother with the ports on that server, I rolled my own apps as I wasn't totally up with the ports system at the time, just seemed easier until I go the hang of it, so I probably would go for a fresh install of ports and get the latest versions of software installed that way. The server is used for web hosting so I only really need to save out a few config files for virtual hosts etc. and the email directories. It's sounding as though it might be easier just to have an hour or two of downtime late one night and do a fresh install... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.6-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE...
fbsd_user wrote: There is a new and faster file system which is introduced in release-5.4. I highly recommend that you install 6.0 from scratch and build your old server services anew to a development box you have personal access to. Then remove the hard drive and ship it to you remote site and swap with your production drive. That way you get the new file system in production and have quick fall back if things don't work. There is a lot of maintenance benefits to be had from a new clean built from scratch server. Yeah, from what I've read now and the time involved it seems as though it's going to be easier to just get 6.0 installed from scratch, plus I guess there's not going to be the possibility of old files from the previous install messing up the upgrade. New install it is. Might see if the data centre has a spare box I could mirror on for a day or so. Cheers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.6-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE...
Crispy Beef wrote: Hi, I have a production server running 4.6-RELEASE and I would like to bring it upto date and get 6.0-RELEASE on there. I have a rough idea of what needs to be done to accomplish this from reading various docs but it would be nice to see how smoothly it has gone for any others. From what I can tell I first need to upgrade to a minimum of 5.3-RELEASE and then onto 6.0, so I guess doing a cvsup to the 5.3-RELEASE and then doing buildworld et all? Then from there to same to get to 6.0? My main concern is the filesystem, it's been updated since 4.x? Will this mess things up? The machine is remote so I really need to make sure this works without making it inaccessible. I have a box here to trial run the process on so I get the steps correct first time, but thought I'd ask here too. :-) I'd suggest going to 4.10/11 first, then do a very careful migration to 5.X (have you read the Migration Guide written by Bruce Mah??). 5--6 is easy. There are potential pitfalls to 4-5, IIRC. As for the filesystems, since you'll be doing an inplace upgrade, it won't be an issue. FreeBSD 5/6 still Just Works with ufs instead of ufs2 --- you'll just miss whatever benefits you might receive from the newer filesystem. If you want ufs2, you'll have to reformat your disk(s), so why not just backup/reinstall in that case? But then again, since it's remote, it'd be kinda tough to reinstall unless you've another box and serial console capability. So, nothing else to do. Easy decision, then? Heh ... ;-) HTH, Kevin Kinsey -- We all know that no one understands anything that isn't funny. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4.6-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE...
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 09:30 am, Crispy Beef wrote: Hi, I have a production server running 4.6-RELEASE and I would like to bring it upto date and get 6.0-RELEASE on there. I have a rough idea of what needs to be done to accomplish this from reading various docs but it would be nice to see how smoothly it has gone for any others. There have been major changes in processes such as threads. You also have to boot the 5.3 update in single user mode to have a kernel that accepts the new arrangement and then install the userland. Before 5.1 or 5.2 it didn't matter much but there was an fs change that you update in single user mode or boot the fix disc to finish the botched update. You also have the problem that probably none of your ports from 4.x will work at 6.0. This could take quite a bit of time to upgrade. I don't think you can do src upgrade remote unless you have a serial console setup. I also think you are better off building new HDs and install them in the remote machine. Kent From what I can tell I first need to upgrade to a minimum of 5.3-RELEASE and then onto 6.0, so I guess doing a cvsup to the 5.3-RELEASE and then doing buildworld et all? Then from there to same to get to 6.0? My main concern is the filesystem, it's been updated since 4.x? Will this mess things up? The machine is remote so I really need to make sure this works without making it inaccessible. I have a box here to trial run the process on so I get the steps correct first time, but thought I'd ask here too. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA Nunca te acostarás sin saber una cosa más http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 4.6-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE...
There is a new and faster file system which is introduced in release-5.4. I highly recommend that you install 6.0 from scratch and build your old server services anew to a development box you have personal access to. Then remove the hard drive and ship it to you remote site and swap with your production drive. That way you get the new file system in production and have quick fall back if things don't work. There is a lot of maintenance benefits to be had from a new clean built from scratch server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Crispy Beef Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:30 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 4.6-RELEASE to 6.0-RELEASE... Hi, I have a production server running 4.6-RELEASE and I would like to bring it upto date and get 6.0-RELEASE on there. I have a rough idea of what needs to be done to accomplish this from reading various docs but it would be nice to see how smoothly it has gone for any others. From what I can tell I first need to upgrade to a minimum of 5.3-RELEASE and then onto 6.0, so I guess doing a cvsup to the 5.3-RELEASE and then doing buildworld et all? Then from there to same to get to 6.0? My main concern is the filesystem, it's been updated since 4.x? Will this mess things up? The machine is remote so I really need to make sure this works without making it inaccessible. I have a box here to trial run the process on so I get the steps correct first time, but thought I'd ask here too. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
