Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-10 Thread Ivan Voras
Kris Kennaway wrote:

 What do you expect is wrong with the 6.x jdk running under compatibility?

I don't expect it, I'm talking from personal experience (confirmed by
occasional reports on mailing lists).

(What's wrong with it is that if it's not near 100% reliable, it's
unusable, much like ZFS :), and for purely selfish reasons - if it
crashes, I get called in the middle of the night to fix it).




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Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-10 Thread Kris Kennaway

Ivan Voras wrote:

Kris Kennaway wrote:


What do you expect is wrong with the 6.x jdk running under compatibility?


I don't expect it, I'm talking from personal experience (confirmed by
occasional reports on mailing lists).


Fine, so in your personal experience, what is the problem?  Just like 
with ZFS, bug reports that do not contain sufficient details are useless.


It's sort of tiresome to keep receiving these vague complaints wrapped 
up in insinuations from someone with sufficient development experience 
to do better.


Kris
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Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-10 Thread Ivan Voras
Kris Kennaway wrote:
 Ivan Voras wrote:
 Kris Kennaway wrote:

 What do you expect is wrong with the 6.x jdk running under
 compatibility?

 I don't expect it, I'm talking from personal experience (confirmed by
 occasional reports on mailing lists).
 
 Fine, so in your personal experience, what is the problem?  Just like
 with ZFS, bug reports that do not contain sufficient details are useless.
 
 It's sort of tiresome to keep receiving these vague complaints wrapped
 up in insinuations from someone with sufficient development experience
 to do better.

You're right, sorry about that. The thing is that I sometimes get
carried away and try to use new shiny things in production, where I
can't spend downtime debugging problems that, in theory, shouldn't
exist. That's why my reports are sometimes (though not always - I've
sent a lot of tracebacks and offered many kernel core dumps for ZFS) are
vague. I find that many of the problems I encountered are difficult to
reproduce in controlled environment.

Yes, ZFS was always tagged experimental, and strictly speaking I really
shouldn't use java on 7.0 at all since there are no Sun-blessed
binaries. Though I think that as an early adopter my reports at least
showed future users what *not* to do :)




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Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-09 Thread Ivan Voras
Matthias Apitz wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm used to use 'freemind' (and used 0.8.0 a lot in FreeBSD 6.2); since
 the update to 7.0-REL and freemind as 0.8.1 from ports it is unusable
 because it crashes randomly, sometimes it does not even comes up without
 any message, sometimes it crashes by its own while I'm working in some
 other part of the KDE 3.5.8 desktop; does someone face the same problem?
 thanks in advance for a tip;

FreeMind is a java application and since there's still no official Java
for FreeBSD 7, you're probably lucky it works at all :)



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Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-09 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, April 09, 2008 a las 02:48:18PM +0200, Ivan Voras escribió:

 Matthias Apitz wrote:
  Hello,
  
  I'm used to use 'freemind' (and used 0.8.0 a lot in FreeBSD 6.2); since
  the update to 7.0-REL and freemind as 0.8.1 from ports it is unusable
  because it crashes randomly, sometimes it does not even comes up without
  any message, sometimes it crashes by its own while I'm working in some
  other part of the KDE 3.5.8 desktop; does someone face the same problem?
  thanks in advance for a tip;
 
 FreeMind is a java application and since there's still no official Java
 for FreeBSD 7, you're probably lucky it works at all :)
 

but it worked fine with the Java engine I've had in FreeBSD 6.2R; will
test some others of the Java engines from the ports...

matthias
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Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-09 Thread Ivan Voras
Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Wednesday, April 09, 2008 a las 02:48:18PM +0200, Ivan Voras escribió:
 
 Matthias Apitz wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm used to use 'freemind' (and used 0.8.0 a lot in FreeBSD 6.2); since
 the update to 7.0-REL and freemind as 0.8.1 from ports it is unusable
 because it crashes randomly, sometimes it does not even comes up without
 any message, sometimes it crashes by its own while I'm working in some
 other part of the KDE 3.5.8 desktop; does someone face the same problem?
 thanks in advance for a tip;
 FreeMind is a java application and since there's still no official Java
 for FreeBSD 7, you're probably lucky it works at all :)

 
 but it worked fine with the Java engine I've had in FreeBSD 6.2R; will
 test some others of the Java engines from the ports...

Yes, it's expected that it will work with a supported version of the
operating system. Remember, you changed the entire operating system by
going from 6.2 to 7.0.

Try building native java and all its dependencies from ports.



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Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-09 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, April 09, 2008 a las 03:35:09PM +0200, Ivan Voras escribió:

 Yes, it's expected that it will work with a supported version of the
 operating system. Remember, you changed the entire operating system by
 going from 6.2 to 7.0.
 
 Try building native java and all its dependencies from ports.
 

ok, I will try to build /usr/ports/java/jdk15
thx for the tip

matthias
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Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-09 Thread Kris Kennaway

Ivan Voras wrote:

Matthias Apitz wrote:

Hello,

I'm used to use 'freemind' (and used 0.8.0 a lot in FreeBSD 6.2); since
the update to 7.0-REL and freemind as 0.8.1 from ports it is unusable
because it crashes randomly, sometimes it does not even comes up without
any message, sometimes it crashes by its own while I'm working in some
other part of the KDE 3.5.8 desktop; does someone face the same problem?
thanks in advance for a tip;


FreeMind is a java application and since there's still no official Java
for FreeBSD 7, you're probably lucky it works at all :)



What do you expect is wrong with the 6.x jdk running under compatibility?

Kris
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Re: 7.0R freemind 0.8.1 crashes randomly

2008-04-09 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, April 09, 2008 a las 05:12:05PM +0200, Kris Kennaway escribió:

 Ivan Voras wrote:
 Matthias Apitz wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm used to use 'freemind' (and used 0.8.0 a lot in FreeBSD 6.2); since
 the update to 7.0-REL and freemind as 0.8.1 from ports it is unusable
 because it crashes randomly, sometimes it does not even comes up without
 any message, sometimes it crashes by its own while I'm working in some
 other part of the KDE 3.5.8 desktop; does someone face the same problem?
 thanks in advance for a tip;
 
 FreeMind is a java application and since there's still no official Java
 for FreeBSD 7, you're probably lucky it works at all :)
 
 
 What do you expect is wrong with the 6.x jdk running under compatibility?
 
 Kris

I have 'make install'ed /usr/ports/java/jdk15 and adjusted the the
launcher script /usr/local/bin/freemind to its Java engine:
JAVA_VERSION=1.4+ /usr/local/jdk1.5.0/bin/java -cp ${CLASSPATH} 
freemind.main.FreeMind ${FILE}

works now without any crash so far;

matthias
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