Re: FBSD on MacBook Pro w/ Core 2 Duo? (was Re: Which OS for notebook)

2010-10-12 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 12/10/2010 12:39:59, Jud wrote:
  My reading on the
 FreeBSD website appears to indicate that the correct 64-bit version for
 the Core 2 Duo would be ia-64

Wrong.

amd64

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Re: FBSD on MacBook Pro w/ Core 2 Duo? (was Re: Which OS for notebook)

2010-10-12 Thread Nathan Vidican
ia64 is for Intel Itanium - NOT Core 2 Duo. The core 2 duo extends it's 64
bit instructions from the Intel EMT64 extensions. You can read up on this
topic further at Wikipedia if you'd like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMT64#Intel_64

To summarize though - AMD64 is the platform you're looking for. Since AMD
was first to come to market with an i386 compatible instruction set
supporting 64bit addressing, you'll find a lot of systems reference 'amd64'
as the platform.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Jud judm...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:20 -0500, Brandon Gooch
 jamesbrandongo...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Arvid Warnecke
  arvid.warne...@gmail.com wrote:
   I have been thinking about FreeBSD on the Macbook Pro dual booting (I
   need Mac OSX for photography software), but I am not sure if the
   hardware will be supported that well.
 
  Here's an excellent place to start your research:
 
  http://wiki.freebsd.org/AppleMacbook

 I'd posted a question about this to this list a couple of weeks ago, but
 without a descriptive title.  Apologies for that, and hoping a more
 descriptive title plus a more detailed message on my part elicits more
 specific answers.

 I've got a 13 MacBook Pro, version 5,5 specifically, with an Intel Core
 2 Duo CPU and 4GB RAM (and a 256GB SSD, though I'm reasonably sure
 that's not problematic).  I'm dual booting Mac OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.4
 and Win 7 64-bit using rEFIt.

 I want to install FreeBSD as a 3rd OS alongside OS X and Win.  Here are
 a couple of questions that arose during my research:

 - I'd like to run a 64-bit version of FreeBSD.  My reading on the
 FreeBSD website appears to indicate that the correct 64-bit version for
 the Core 2 Duo would be ia-64, and IIRC the website references indicated
 problems running X.Org on that platform.  Additionally, problems are
 mentioned with various (unnamed) other ports.  I do want to use FreeBSD
 as a desktop.  Is the info about problems with X.Org and other ports on
 ia-64 current and correct, ruling out its use as a desktop on the
 MacBook Pro for now?  Am I correct in thinking from what I've read that
 the amd-64 version of FreeBSD would not work with the Core 2 Duo?  Does
 this leave 32-bit FreeBSD as the only version I could reasonably install
 to use as a desktop on this machine?

 - If I follow the plain install instructions on the wiki page linked in
 the quoted message above (after first making space for FreeBSD using the
 Mac OS X disk utility), will rEFIt Just Work, i.e., recognize FreeBSD
 and include it as an option in its boot menu?  Or is there something
 else I've got to do?

 Thanks in advance for any help you can offer on these questions.
 Comments on other 'gotcha' items I may have missed are also welcome.

 Jud
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Re: FBSD on MacBook Pro w/ Core 2 Duo? (was Re: Which OS for notebook)

2010-10-12 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 07:39:59AM -0400, Jud wrote:
  Here's an excellent place to start your research:
  
  http://wiki.freebsd.org/AppleMacbook

 I've got a 13 MacBook Pro, version 5,5 specifically, with an Intel Core
 2 Duo CPU and 4GB RAM (and a 256GB SSD, though I'm reasonably sure
 that's not problematic).  I'm dual booting Mac OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.4
 and Win 7 64-bit using rEFIt.
 
 I want to install FreeBSD as a 3rd OS alongside OS X and Win.  Here are
 a couple of questions that arose during my research:
 
 - I'd like to run a 64-bit version of FreeBSD.  My reading on the
 FreeBSD website appears to indicate that the correct 64-bit version for
 the Core 2 Duo would be ia-64

No. You should use the amd64 version. This works without problems on my Core2
systems. 

The IA-64 version is only for the Itanium
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium] processors, which never became really
popular and are mostly found in HP servers.

 - If I follow the plain install instructions on the wiki page linked in
 the quoted message above (after first making space for FreeBSD using the
 Mac OS X disk utility), will rEFIt Just Work, i.e., recognize FreeBSD
 and include it as an option in its boot menu?  Or is there something
 else I've got to do?

Have a look at
[http://blogs.freebsdish.org/rpaulo/2008/08/31/freebsd-ia32-efi-boot-loader/].
Maybe that will work for you? As of 8.1-RELEASE, I don't see the source for
this EFI boot in the ia32 boot loader (which amd64 also uses). 

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