Re: Good Terminal for X?

2010-08-08 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 06:41:11PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 04:12:47PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
  On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 11:26:10AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
   
   Try x11/rxvt-unicode. It doesn't require Gnome nor KDE libraries, and it 
   does
   handle unicode well. It's a lot lighter than xterm. And it has 
   transparancy or
   backgrounds if you like that.
  
  It's not a lot lighter - I made a table recently to investigate.
  See
  
  http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#bug_rxvt
 
 Thanks for the research.  I had no idea rxvt-unicode had gotten so big.

The base size has certainly increased well beyond the original rxvt.
The total size seems to be from the transparency support.

One thing that surprised me in collecting the data was noting the
terminals which are mostly implemented as libraries.  Their main
programs can be quite small.

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Re: Good Terminal for X?

2010-08-07 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 04:12:47PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 11:26:10AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
  
  Try x11/rxvt-unicode. It doesn't require Gnome nor KDE libraries, and it 
  does
  handle unicode well. It's a lot lighter than xterm. And it has transparancy 
  or
  backgrounds if you like that.
 
 It's not a lot lighter - I made a table recently to investigate.
 See
 
   http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#bug_rxvt

Thanks for the research.  I had no idea rxvt-unicode had gotten so big.

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Re: Good Terminal for X?

2010-08-06 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 03:12:11AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote:
 
 I use Icewm, so don't want to install all that kde/gnome 
 libs/dependencies and such to get konsole or gnome-console (but both are 
 nice)
 
 xterm does display some things correctly (like sysinstall type command 
 line GUIs).

Try x11/rxvt-unicode. It doesn't require Gnome nor KDE libraries, and it does
handle unicode well. It's a lot lighter than xterm. And it has transparancy or
backgrounds if you like that.
 
Roland
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Re: Good Terminal for X?

2010-08-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, August 06, 2010 a las 11:26:10AM +0200, Roland Smith escribió:

 On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 03:12:11AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote:
  
  I use Icewm, so don't want to install all that kde/gnome 
  libs/dependencies and such to get konsole or gnome-console (but both are 
  nice)
  
  xterm does display some things correctly (like sysinstall type command 
  line GUIs).
 
 Try x11/rxvt-unicode. It doesn't require Gnome nor KDE libraries, and it does
 handle unicode well. It's a lot lighter than xterm. And it has transparancy or
 backgrounds if you like that.
  
 Roland

I've installed it. Is there any nice icon for this tool for the KDE
desktop? Thanks in advance

matthias
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Re: Good Terminal for X?

2010-08-06 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Roland Smith on Friday, 06 August 2010:
 On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 03:12:11AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote:
  
  I use Icewm, so don't want to install all that kde/gnome 
  libs/dependencies and such to get konsole or gnome-console (but both are 
  nice)
  
  xterm does display some things correctly (like sysinstall type command 
  line GUIs).
 
 Try x11/rxvt-unicode. It doesn't require Gnome nor KDE libraries, and it does
 handle unicode well. It's a lot lighter than xterm. And it has transparancy or
 backgrounds if you like that.
  
 Roland
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On the subject of unicode, can anyone recommend a good terminal font that
includes all (or most) unicode characters?


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Re: Good Terminal for X?

2010-08-06 Thread Anonymous
Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com writes:

 Quoth Roland Smith on Friday, 06 August 2010:
 On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 03:12:11AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote:
  
  I use Icewm, so don't want to install all that kde/gnome 
  libs/dependencies and such to get konsole or gnome-console (but both are 
  nice)
  
  xterm does display some things correctly (like sysinstall type command 
  line GUIs).
 
 Try x11/rxvt-unicode. It doesn't require Gnome nor KDE libraries, and it does
 handle unicode well. It's a lot lighter than xterm. And it has transparancy 
 or
 backgrounds if you like that.

 On the subject of unicode, can anyone recommend a good terminal font that
 includes all (or most) unicode characters?

If I'm not mistaken unicode coverage can be achieved by combining several
fonts using fontconfig[1]. The good start would be to combine DejaVu Sans Mono
with some CJK font of your choice.

[1] This is where xterm sucks, it can only use normal + double-width font.
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Re: Good Terminal for X?

2010-08-06 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 11:26:10AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 03:12:11AM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote:
  
  I use Icewm, so don't want to install all that kde/gnome 
  libs/dependencies and such to get konsole or gnome-console (but both are 
  nice)
  
  xterm does display some things correctly (like sysinstall type command 
  line GUIs).
 
 Try x11/rxvt-unicode. It doesn't require Gnome nor KDE libraries, and it does
 handle unicode well. It's a lot lighter than xterm. And it has transparancy or
 backgrounds if you like that.

It's not a lot lighter - I made a table recently to investigate.
See

http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html#bug_rxvt

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