Re: OT: Linux EXT4 dump/restore equivalent?

2012-07-01 Thread perryh
Peter A. Giessel pgies...@mac.com wrote:

 What I have been completely unable to find is a linux boot disk
 that has a version of restore that supports ext4.

It's unclear to me how a version of restore that supports ext4
would differ from a version of restore that supports UFS.

AFAIK restore (unlike dump) is FS-agnostic:  it must understand the
format of the dumpfile, but it needs no knowledge of how the FS is
represented on disk because it uses ordinary system calls (open,
write, etc.) to access the FS.

What you _do_ need on that recovery disk -- along with a generic
restore -- are ext4-aware versions of the kernel, fsck, mkfs, mount,
and (arguably) dump.

 I am very hesitant to use a backup scheme that doesn't have a
 clear recovery path.

+1
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Re: OT: Linux EXT4 dump/restore equivalent?

2012-06-29 Thread Peter A. Giessel

 I haven't checked all the features, so I don't know if it includes restore 
 for ext4.

According to:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Detailed-packages-list

It does not contain any version of restore. 

There are a lot of Linux boot disks out there. I haven't found one yet that 
includes an ext4 compatible restore. Debian lets you roll your own, but you 
need to do that before a disaster. It doesn't include useful rescue CDs like 
FreeBSD does. 
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Re: OT: Linux EXT4 dump/restore equivalent?

2012-06-29 Thread Thomas Mueller
Peter A. Giessel pgies...@mac.com responded:

 According to:
 http://www.sysresccd.org/Detailed-packages-list

 It does not contain any version of restore.

 There are a lot of Linux boot disks out there. I haven't found one yet that 
 includes an ext4 compatible restore. Debian lets you roll your own, but you 
 need to do that before a disaster. It doesn't include useful rescue CDs like 
 FreeBSD does.

You could try
http://www.sysresccd.org/System-tools

Some recovery tools are listed, including FSArchiver and Partimage.

Maybe one of those listed recovery tools might fit your need?

Tom
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Re: OT: Linux EXT4 dump/restore equivalent?

2012-06-29 Thread Mark Felder
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:52:35 -0500, Peter A. Giessel pgies...@mac.com  
wrote:




There are a lot of Linux boot disks out there. I haven't found one yet  
that includes an ext4 compatible restore. Debian lets you roll your own,  
but you need to do that before a disaster. It doesn't include useful  
rescue CDs like FreeBSD does.


I've always had great success in the past with RIP Rescue live-cd. It was  
one of the early live-cds with ext4 support. I wonder if the guy who makes  
it was smart enough to add restore

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Re: OT: Linux EXT4 dump/restore equivalent?

2012-06-28 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:59:57 +0100, Vincent Hoffman wrote:
 We use dump to backup ext4 filesystems on linux (Centos6) at work
 
 From the linux dump changelog
 Changes between versions 0.4b41 and 0.4b42 (released June 18, 2009)
 ===
 18. Add (preliminary) ext4 support - thanks to libext2fs which does
 all the job for us. Thanks to Gertjan van Wingerde
 gwingerde [at] gmail for the patch.

Without even trying to start a flamewar, allow me to ask this
question: Do they _really_ use file systems over there at
Linux land without having an up-to-date dump/restore mechanism
for that file systems? I can hardly believe that...



 Without wishing to bash Linux (I wouldnt be in my job without it,) its
 man pages are really not very up to date, as the manpage for dump fails
 to mention this.

That's sadly normal. I found the attitude toward documentation in
Linux being different from what you would call standard in the rest
of UNIX world. Man pages are often out of date (if they ever exist),
and pieces of documentation is scattered across the the web, in user
pages, wikis, and discussion forums. The concept behind this seems
to be: Nobody reads man pages, so we don't write them.



 I havent used slackware in many years but it used to be my distro of
 choice until I moved to FreeBSD.

Was my first PC Linux, too. :-)



 On 28/06/2012 20:02, Chris Maness wrote:
  Is there an equivalent dump/restore ap for a Linux ext4 file system?
  I am running the latest Slackware, and I would like to make backups
  like I do for my FreeBSD box.

Have you tried the original tools provided by the OS? Do they perform
as intended? Maybe do some testing and see if they are sufficient for
dealing with ext4. That would be my first impression: Use what's there
and see if it works, as it _should_ work (given fundamental UNIX basics).

(Sorry, my Linux knowledge is a bit outdated as I don't use it anymore
on a regular basis.)


-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Re: OT: Linux EXT4 dump/restore equivalent?

2012-06-28 Thread Peter A. Giessel


On Jun 28, 2012, at 11:59, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk wrote:

 We use dump to backup ext4 filesystems on linux (Centos6) at work

You can find a version of dump for Linux that supports ext4.  What I have been 
completely unable to find is a linux boot disk that has a version of restore 
that supports ext4.  If anyone knows of one, I would be very interested.  I am 
very hesitant to use a backup scheme that doesn't have a clear recovery path.
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Re: OT: Linux EXT4 dump/restore equivalent?

2012-06-28 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 28/06/2012 21:39, Peter A. Giessel wrote:

 On Jun 28, 2012, at 11:59, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk wrote:

 We use dump to backup ext4 filesystems on linux (Centos6) at work
 You can find a version of dump for Linux that supports ext4.  What I have 
 been completely unable to find is a linux boot disk that has a version of 
 restore that supports ext4.  If anyone knows of one, I would be very 
 interested.  I am very hesitant to use a backup scheme that doesn't have a 
 clear recovery path.

Fair point. I've used the rescue mode on the centos boot CD before,
but its not too hard to build a custom centos livecd.
I made a pxe bootable version for use at work so we can ssh into it
without needing an IP KVM, but I'll try and make a new ISO for you if
you like.

Vince

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Re: OT: Linux EXT4 dump/restore equivalent?

2012-06-28 Thread Thomas Mueller
On Jun 28, 2012, at 11:59, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk wrote:

 We use dump to backup ext4 filesystems on linux (Centos6) at work

Peter A. Giessel pgies...@mac.com responded:

 You can find a version of dump for Linux that supports ext4.  What I have 
 been completely unable to find is a linux boot disk that has a version of 
 restore
that supports ext4.  If anyone knows of one, I would be very interested.  I am 
very hesitant to use a backup scheme that doesn't have a clear recovery path.

I've used the System Rescue CD (sysresccd.org), which you can burn to CD or 
write to USB stick.

I haven't checked all the features, so I don't know if it includes restore for 
ext4.

Latest release version is 2.8.0 

It ought to read/write ext4. I think it would read (BSD) ffs or ufs v1 but not 
v2.

Tom
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