Re: Skyip? question
On Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:10 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org articulated: What does the list think of XBill's buyout of Skype? Gary, if you want to get your fill of FUD on this issue, I would strongly recommended that you visit the Slashdot site. It has been filled with bull-shit on this subject for days now. Personally, it reminds me of a football coach's reply to a reporter a few years ago. There were three teams left in the playoffs and the coach's team was to play the winner. The reporter asked the coach how he planned to handle the situation. He replied, that he was going home, sit in his recliner with a beer and watch the games on TV. Once the outcome of the games had been decided and his opponent revealed, he would answer the reporter's question. Personally, I believe the buyout is a plus. Microsoft intends, at least from press releases released so far, to incorporate Skype into XBox and Outlook for starters. It will undoubtedly make the use of Skype far easier on Microsoft's operating system. I have yet to see the downside of the deal. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
What does the list think of XBill's buyout of Skype? i know there is probably a port for this for the BSD'S. ISn't it just a VOIP thing... maybe with some video glued on? /usr/ports/net/asterisk exists. Not used it, but compiling to try some time. It's been around years, eg presentation http://www.berklix.org/bim/talks/asterisk_overview_2007_01_17/ I recall maybe Skype can work on BSD via a linux emulator, but probably better discussed on eg multime...@freebsd.org Opinions on MS Skype better to c...@freebsd.org or offline friends :-) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:20:10PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: Hey Guys, What does the list think of XBill's buyout of Skype? i know there is probably a port for this for the BSD'S. ISn't it just a VOIP thing... maybe with some video glued on? I am sure MS will find a way to use it to coerce users to buy the rest of their system. What else is new. (How hard/easy woold be be to hack out a better one...or do GOOG and YHOO already have their own versions of skyip?) It has been done a few times. Some phone service companies also do essentially the same thing with a proprietary software. Lastly, a few years ago, somebody on this list said that skype was free like free beer. Pretty sure they had that saying when i was a kind back in the twelfth century, but still have no ides what it means, so would appreciate it from my fellow geeks who get that 'free-beer' swipe. I always thought, used that way, it meant that the sign may say 'Free Beer' but if you take it, you have sold your soul or some other body part unknowingly. They're going to get you some way. But, I never have heard any official definition. jerry thanx, gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Ju ST released: http://transfinite.thought.org/17da.html Where's that bloody .357?! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 07:18:52AM -0400, Jerry wrote: Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 07:18:52 -0400 From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net Subject: Re: Skyip? question To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) On Wed, 11 May 2011 17:20:10 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org articulated: What does the list think of XBill's buyout of Skype? Gary, if you want to get your fill of FUD on this issue, I would strongly recommended that you visit the Slashdot site. It has been filled with bull-shit on this subject for days now. Personally, it reminds me of a football coach's reply to a reporter a few years ago. There were three teams left in the playoffs and the coach's team was to play the winner. The reporter asked the coach how he planned to handle the situation. He replied, that he was going home, sit in his recliner with a beer and watch the games on TV. Once the outcome of the games had been decided and his opponent revealed, he would answer the reporter's question. Personally, I believe the buyout is a plus. Microsoft intends, at least from press releases released so far, to incorporate Skype into XBox and Outlook for starters. It will undoubtedly make the use of Skype far easier on Microsoft's operating system. I have yet to see the downside of the deal. -- Jerry ??? jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored or reported as Spam. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. then what i heard on public broadcasting ['marketplace'] is about right; that m$ will expand the skype network to fit its few striong points. just to 2-check, thanks. gary ps: =i= myself rarely use the phone, and now that xbill has bot skype, i'd use anything *but* -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: (How hard/easy woold be be to hack out a better one...or do GOOG and YHOO already have their own versions of skyip?) Check out Ekiga: /usr/ports/net/ekiga3 It is pretty good, as long as you can get your friends to use it too (or any other SIP- or H323-based softphone). BTW, it does video too, though I've never tried that since I don't have a webcam and I don't know the status of multimedia/webcamd on FreeBSD. Just give it a try, and you'll probably like it -- as long as you can fiddle around with selecting the right audio channels and setting mixer correctly. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
El dÃa Thursday, May 12, 2011 a las 08:22:42PM +0200, C. P. Ghost escribió: Check out Ekiga: /usr/ports/net/ekiga3 It is pretty good, as long as you can get your friends to use it too (or any other SIP- or H323-based softphone). BTW, it does video too, though I've never tried that since I don't have a webcam and I don't know the status of multimedia/webcamd on FreeBSD. ... multimedia/webcamd works fine in 8-stable and HEAD (I'm using HEAD); a list of supported webcams in FreeBSD and what you need or what should work rises up here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/WebcamCompat Concerning the discussion about Skype and M$, please move it off-list; thanks in advance matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 23:24:11 Polytropon wrote: And keep in mind the data in the background: WHO communi- cates? WHERE does he communicate from, with WHOM, WHEN? Tech- nology allows answering questions even about WHAT has been spoken. Relations between individuals and there interests can be concluded from such communication profiles. They are of high value for advertising and industry propaganda mechanisms. And a LOT of governments. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Thursday, May 12, 2011 a las 08:22:42PM +0200, C. P. Ghost escribió: Check out Ekiga: /usr/ports/net/ekiga3 It is pretty good, as long as you can get your friends to use it too (or any other SIP- or H323-based softphone). BTW, it does video too, though I've never tried that since I don't have a webcam and I don't know the status of multimedia/webcamd on FreeBSD. ... multimedia/webcamd works fine in 8-stable and HEAD (I'm using HEAD); a list of supported webcams in FreeBSD and what you need or what should work rises up here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/WebcamCompat Ah, great, thank you for the hint! Have you tried a webcam with Ekiga? Concerning the discussion about Skype and M$, please move it off-list; thanks in advance matthias Thanks -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
El día Friday, May 13, 2011 a las 12:19:38AM +0200, C. P. Ghost escribió: multimedia/webcamd works fine in 8-stable and HEAD (I'm using HEAD); a list of supported webcams in FreeBSD and what you need or what should work rises up here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/WebcamCompat Ah, great, thank you for the hint! Have you tried a webcam with Ekiga? Yes, in the past the Philips one SPC 900 NC; I think any will work when there is /dev/video0 created by pwc.ko or webcamd. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On 5/11/11 8:20 PM, Gary Kline wrote: (How hard/easy woold be be to hack out a better one...or do GOOG and YHOO already have their own versions of skyip?) Not all that trivial, really, but, frankly, rather beside the point. The value of communications networks is more than the technology, it's in whom you can communicate with using it. So even if you were to hack out something more elegant than Skype, the vast majority of the world wouldn't care in the slightest, as they want to talk to their friends, family, and business associates, and have no interest in talking to you and the 137 hacking buddies who built the better mousetrap. There's a reason the PSTN still does so well despite its 19th century, low-bandwidth, voice-only roots. Lastly, a few years ago, somebody on this list said that skype was free like free beer. Pretty sure they had that saying when i was a kind back in the twelfth century, but still have no ides what it means, so would appreciate it from my fellow geeks who get that 'free-beer' swipe. Free beer = you can use it without paying money, but the stuff behind the curtain is proprietary and you can't necessarily look, never mind play. Free speech = you can do as you wish with the bits behind the curtain (give or take various license terms that can start religious wars) I believe the term doesn't pre-date Linux; wasn't it first used when the unwashed masses started getting confused as to what it meant for Linux to be free? BTW, I believe this discussion belongs over in the discussion list, as it has nothing to do with FreeBSD, so I will sin no more after this. --Jon Radel j...@radel.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Skyip? question
On Wed, 11 May 2011 21:23:14 -0400, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: On 5/11/11 8:20 PM, Gary Kline wrote: (How hard/easy woold be be to hack out a better one...or do GOOG and YHOO already have their own versions of skyip?) Not all that trivial, really, but, frankly, rather beside the point. The value of communications networks is more than the technology, it's in whom you can communicate with using it. And keep in mind the data in the background: WHO communi- cates? WHERE does he communicate from, with WHOM, WHEN? Tech- nology allows answering questions even about WHAT has been spoken. Relations between individuals and there interests can be concluded from such communication profiles. They are of high value for advertising and industry propaganda mechanisms. So even if you were to hack out something more elegant than Skype, the vast majority of the world wouldn't care in the slightest, as they want to talk to their friends, family, and business associates, and have no interest in talking to you and the 137 hacking buddies who built the better mousetrap. I may say that there is already a high-quality alternative (among others), it's called Ekiga. It's not as widespread as Skype, I agree. And google also offers a similar tool, but as I've never used it, I can't recall the name. It's also not as well known as Skype which got a synonym for IP-based tele- phony utilizing a computer. With upcoming versions of Windows, I think MICROS~1 will integrate Skype technology into their system, while they make sure that this technology - due to the lack of inter- face program - can't be used on other systems (Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, but also Android). So I think they bought Skype, a company that _never_ made the big bucks in order to obtain their technology and their subscribers for their own land. They will surely do anything for further vendor lock-in - i. e. make sure nobody except them defines the terms of use of the former Skype infrastructures (in general, not in a technical sense). There's a reason the PSTN still does so well despite its 19th century, low-bandwidth, voice-only roots. Some people do not evolve the technology and service providers want them to. :-) BTW, I believe this discussion belongs over in the discussion list, as it has nothing to do with FreeBSD, so I will sin no more after this. I think it _will_ have impact to FreeBSD sooner or later in a form that Skype will be unusable at some point in time, or will be quite limited in what you can actually do with it. When MICROS~1 incorporates the Skype customer base... who knows, maybe you'll soon need a Hotmail account to call someone by phone, as soon as MICROS~1 got a real phone operator. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
