Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-23 Thread Sandy Rutherford
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:21:59 -0500, 
> Robert Huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

 > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:

 >> I have never used the UPS daemons so don't know how they work but
 >> I doubt they are made to work with multiples on the UPS.

 >  I've never done it, but I believe this is quite possible with
 > apcupsd.

Yes it is possible.  apcupsd follows a client-server model.  It works
great for me.  It is extremely configurable and reasonably well
documented.  There is also an active development group, so it is
getting tested out on new APC UPS's as they come out.

Sandy
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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-20 Thread Eric F Crist

On Nov 20, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Murray Taylor wrote:


Second the motion -- nut works well with the APC ups's


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Hello Kiffin,

Friday, November 18, 2005, 10:20:08 PM, you wrote:


I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to

protect them

against power outages.



These are two simple machines running at home so nothing fancy. Just
some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time

to clean up.


What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.



check this out, I use it and it works with many different UPS.

# cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nut
# cat pkg-descr
This is a developing project to monitor a large assortment of
UPS hardware.
Network communications are used so that multiple systems can  
monitor a

single physical UPS and shut down together if necessary without any
special "sharing hardware" on the UPS itself. CGI scripts are  
provided

to monitor UPS status via a WEB browser.

WWW: http://www.networkupstools.org/




I personally use APC UPS with apcupsd (in ports) which works very  
well with the USB cable supplied.


-
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks
http://www.secure-computing.net



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RE: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-20 Thread Murray Taylor
Second the motion -- nut works well with the APC ups's 

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> Hello Kiffin,
> 
> Friday, November 18, 2005, 10:20:08 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to 
> protect them
> > against power outages.
> 
> > These are two simple machines running at home so nothing fancy. Just
> > some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time 
> to clean up.
> 
> > What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.
> 
> 
> check this out, I use it and it works with many different UPS.
> 
> # cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nut
> # cat pkg-descr
> This is a developing project to monitor a large assortment of 
> UPS hardware.
> Network communications are used so that multiple systems can monitor a
> single physical UPS and shut down together if necessary without any
> special "sharing hardware" on the UPS itself. CGI scripts are provided
> to monitor UPS status via a WEB browser.
> 
> WWW: http://www.networkupstools.org/
> 
> - Doug Barton
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> 
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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-20 Thread Cezar Fistik
Hello Kiffin,

Friday, November 18, 2005, 10:20:08 PM, you wrote:

> I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to protect them
> against power outages.

> These are two simple machines running at home so nothing fancy. Just
> some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time to clean up.

> What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.


check this out, I use it and it works with many different UPS.

# cd /usr/ports/sysutils/nut
# cat pkg-descr
This is a developing project to monitor a large assortment of UPS hardware.
Network communications are used so that multiple systems can monitor a
single physical UPS and shut down together if necessary without any
special "sharing hardware" on the UPS itself. CGI scripts are provided
to monitor UPS status via a WEB browser.

WWW: http://www.networkupstools.org/

- Doug Barton
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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-19 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 19, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote:




On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Kiffin Gish wrote:


And which one do you recommend?

I have two mini-towers, one an old dell dimension 650R 200W and
another
clone anthlon-xp 300W.

Do I need two UPS or can I get one which can service these two
machines?


In your case I would get two so that each machine can be signaled to
separately and if it is a two way street reply separately.  I have
never used the UPS daemons so don't know how they work but I doubt
they are made to work with multiples on the UPS.


You can get multiple interfaces on the UPS that will talk to more
than one machine to tell it when to do a shutdown.   For some models,
there is a card, sort of like one that has some number of serial ports
depending on how many you want and are willing to pay for - it doesn't
add a lot.   This is true, anyway, for the APC UPS units we have.

jerry


Cool!  I learn something new every day.  I do expect such high end  
ones as the ones described here to cost a pretty penny?  The colocate  
facility where my rack is has a building wide industrial UPS system  
of a gazillion VA so I have not looked in to these since I bought a  
bunch of TrippLite 1100VA ones for my systems about 7 years ago...


Thanks!
Chad

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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
> 
> 
> On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Kiffin Gish wrote:
> 
> > And which one do you recommend?
> >
> > I have two mini-towers, one an old dell dimension 650R 200W and  
> > another
> > clone anthlon-xp 300W.
> >
> > Do I need two UPS or can I get one which can service these two  
> > machines?
> 
> In your case I would get two so that each machine can be signaled to  
> separately and if it is a two way street reply separately.  I have  
> never used the UPS daemons so don't know how they work but I doubt  
> they are made to work with multiples on the UPS.

You can get multiple interfaces on the UPS that will talk to more
than one machine to tell it when to do a shutdown.   For some models,
there is a card, sort of like one that has some number of serial ports
depending on how many you want and are willing to pay for - it doesn't 
add a lot.   This is true, anyway, for the APC UPS units we have.

jerry

> If you are not going to have the machine interact with the UPS then  
> you can get one to cover both machines
> 
> Chad
> >
> > Both run FreeBSD 5.4.
> >
> > Thanks a lot in advance.
> >
> > -- 
> > Kiffin Rex Gish
> > Gouda, The Netherlands
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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-19 Thread Dan O'Connor

And which one do you recommend?

I have two mini-towers, one an old dell dimension 650R 200W and 
another

clone anthlon-xp 300W.

Do I need two UPS or can I get one which can service these two 
machines?


Both run FreeBSD 5.4.


The way these daemons work is that after a certain time-out while on 
battery power (usually set to 5-10 minutes), the computer sends a 
shut-down command to the UPS and then turns itself off. After 30 seconds 
or so, the UPS then shuts down. Upon AC power coming back, the UPS 
automatically turns on and the computer reboots (you need to have the 
computer automatically boot on restoration of power, a BIOS setting).


If you want to put multiple machines on a single UPS, it's nice to 
inform the other machine(s) before the controlling computer shuts down 
and kills the UPS...


I'd look at apcupsd (although I haven't used it)...from the ports 
description:


   "It can monitor and log the current power and battery status, 
perform
   automatic shutdown, and can run in network mode in order to 
power

   down other hosts on a LAN"

That may be just what you want...

~Dan


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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-19 Thread Robert Huff

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:

>  I have never used the UPS daemons so don't know how they work but
>  I doubt they are made to work with multiples on the UPS.

I've never done it, but I believe this is quite possible with
apcupsd.


Robert Huff


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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-19 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Kiffin Gish wrote:


And which one do you recommend?

I have two mini-towers, one an old dell dimension 650R 200W and  
another

clone anthlon-xp 300W.

Do I need two UPS or can I get one which can service these two  
machines?


In your case I would get two so that each machine can be signaled to  
separately and if it is a two way street reply separately.  I have  
never used the UPS daemons so don't know how they work but I doubt  
they are made to work with multiples on the UPS.


If you are not going to have the machine interact with the UPS then  
you can get one to cover both machines


Chad


Both run FreeBSD 5.4.

Thanks a lot in advance.

--
Kiffin Rex Gish
Gouda, The Netherlands






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From: Dan O'Connor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 21:41
To: Kiffin Gish; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: UPS advice, please ...



I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to protect
them
against power outages.

These are two simple machines running at home so nothing

fancy. Just

some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time

to clean

up.

What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.



I use upsmon, from the ports collection. Nothing fancy, and it works
only with APC Smart-UPS...but it works great, and the shutdown
time-delay is configurable. The Smart-UPS connects to your
computer via
a serial port.

~Dan





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RE: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-19 Thread Kiffin Gish
And which one do you recommend?

I have two mini-towers, one an old dell dimension 650R 200W and another
clone anthlon-xp 300W.

Do I need two UPS or can I get one which can service these two machines?

Both run FreeBSD 5.4.

Thanks a lot in advance.

-- 
Kiffin Rex Gish
Gouda, The Netherlands

 



> -Original Message-
> From: Dan O'Connor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 21:41
> To: Kiffin Gish; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: UPS advice, please ...
> 
> 
> >I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to protect
> >them
> > against power outages.
> >
> > These are two simple machines running at home so nothing 
> fancy. Just 
> > some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time 
> to clean 
> > up.
> >
> > What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.
> 
> 
> I use upsmon, from the ports collection. Nothing fancy, and it works 
> only with APC Smart-UPS...but it works great, and the shutdown 
> time-delay is configurable. The Smart-UPS connects to your 
> computer via 
> a serial port.
> 
> ~Dan
> 
> 
> 

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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
> 

I meant to put the URL in the last message even though it is a bit obvious:

 http://www.apcc.com/

It will even talk to you in Dutch if you prefer.  

jerry


> I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to protect them
> against power outages.
> 
> These are two simple machines running at home so nothing fancy. Just
> some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time to clean up.
> 
> What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.
> 
> -- 
> Kiffin Gish
> Gouda, The Netherlands
> 
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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
> 
> I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to protect them
> against power outages.
> 
> These are two simple machines running at home so nothing fancy. Just
> some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time to clean up.
> 
> What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.

The APC company web page has, amongst a lot of typical self congradulation,
a sort of UPS calculator that will tell you what model of its product it
recommends.   If you don't want to buy APC, you can take the specs from
the model it comes up with and shop it around.   We mostly use APC here
and they seem to work.

jerry

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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-18 Thread Dan O'Connor
I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to protect 
them

against power outages.

These are two simple machines running at home so nothing fancy. Just
some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time to clean 
up.


What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.



I use upsmon, from the ports collection. Nothing fancy, and it works 
only with APC Smart-UPS...but it works great, and the shutdown 
time-delay is configurable. The Smart-UPS connects to your computer via 
a serial port.


~Dan



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Re: UPS advice, please ...

2005-11-18 Thread Eric Schuele

Kiffin Gish wrote:

I have a couple web servers running FreeBSD 5.x and need to protect them
against power outages.

These are two simple machines running at home so nothing fancy. Just
some way to do a power down neatly so the shutdown has time to clean up.

What do I need and where can I look for more detailed information.



Search the ports tree for *upsd
  /sysutils/apcupsd
  /sysutils/upsd
come to mind.

give them a try.

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Regards,
Eric
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