Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
Joe S wrote: Thanks Dan. That answered my question. I'm really happy to replace Solaris with FreeBSD. All I have to do is import my zfs pool and then upgrade it...2 commands! That reminds me to ask, can you do it? Importing pools from solaris to freebsd or vice versa. -- Best regards, Bogdan Culibrk [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://default.co.yu/~bc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
From http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html Experimental support for Sun's ZFS filesystem. I'm not putting this on a production server yet ... - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Joe S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, februari 27, 2008 11:49 PM Aan: 'Dan Nelson' CC: 'freebsd-questions' Onderwerp: Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 Thanks Dan. That answered my question. I'm really happy to replace Solaris with FreeBSD. All I have to do is import my zfs pool and then upgrade it...2 commands! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the last episode (Feb 27), Joe said: I'm currently running Solaris 10 Update 4 on x86 hardware at home. I'm excited that ZFS is coming in FreeBSD 7.0. I've found that I don't really like Solaris that much (no ports!). I find it so different from other OS's and I don't want to learn another OS just to have a decent fileserver. So I'm looking forward to migrating to FreeBSD 7.0 from Solaris 10 Update 4. Since ZFS was ported from Solaris, at version of Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris Nevada is FreeBSD 7.0 support similar to? In other words, will a lose some features, fixes, and enhancements in ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 or will I gain? Going from S10U4 (zfs pool version 4) to FreeBSD 7 (v6) you will actually gain gzip compression support. Opensolaris is up to v10. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
In the last episode (Feb 28), Bogdan 'Culibrk said: Joe S wrote: Thanks Dan. That answered my question. I'm really happy to replace Solaris with FreeBSD. All I have to do is import my zfs pool and then upgrade it...2 commands! That reminds me to ask, can you do it? Importing pools from solaris to freebsd or vice versa. You should be able to, as long as you create the pool on the system with the lowest zfs version and remember to never run zpool upgrade on the newer system :) -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
ZFS is but one of many things Sun has given the world over the years, need I mention NFS,? ZFS is fairly new all around, and Apple is now attempting to use it in OSX-Leopard. zfs will work best on Sun/Sparc/Solaris right now, but whose to say now that they(Sun Microsystems) have pretty well relesed 'da source, it will only get better depending on Developer input from the xBSDS, and Linux distro's... -but ya ZFS is the file system defacto(128-bit wide capable FS, and therefore infinite) that will replace all other FS's -ya all others!!! just like nfs,..., zfs will be the one all OS's should incorporate except of course M$, cause they're balless, godless Addholes, who hate being outdone and outgunned as usual. it is different, but just remeber, Sun/Solaris is historically based on BSD/Unix -the real UNIX of course so you're not far from the truth. make install RealBSD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:37:49 -0800 Subject: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 I'm currently running Solaris 10 Update 4 on x86 hardware at home. I'm excited that ZFS is coming in FreeBSD 7.0. I've found that I don't really like Solaris that much (no ports!). I find it so different from other OS's and I don't want to learn another OS just to have a decent fileserver. So I'm looking forward to migrating to FreeBSD 7.0 from Solaris 10 Update 4. Since ZFS was ported from Solaris, at version of Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris Nevada is FreeBSD 7.0 support similar to? In other words, will a lose some features, fixes, and enhancements in ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 or will I gain? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
In the last episode (Feb 27), Joe said: I'm currently running Solaris 10 Update 4 on x86 hardware at home. I'm excited that ZFS is coming in FreeBSD 7.0. I've found that I don't really like Solaris that much (no ports!). I find it so different from other OS's and I don't want to learn another OS just to have a decent fileserver. So I'm looking forward to migrating to FreeBSD 7.0 from Solaris 10 Update 4. Since ZFS was ported from Solaris, at version of Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris Nevada is FreeBSD 7.0 support similar to? In other words, will a lose some features, fixes, and enhancements in ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 or will I gain? Going from S10U4 (zfs pool version 4) to FreeBSD 7 (v6) you will actually gain gzip compression support. Opensolaris is up to v10. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
will replace all other FS's -ya all others!!! how sure you are? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
unless something else comes along thats better ? -then I guess I'm not sure. Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:13:47 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 will replace all other FS's -ya all others!!! how sure you are? _ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
huh? On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Rick Nekus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ZFS is but one of many things Sun has given the world over the years, need I mention NFS,? ZFS is fairly new all around, and Apple is now attempting to use it in OSX-Leopard. zfs will work best on Sun/Sparc/Solaris right now, but whose to say now that they(Sun Microsystems) have pretty well relesed 'da source, it will only get better depending on Developer input from the xBSDS, and Linux distro's... -but ya ZFS is the file system defacto(128-bit wide capable FS, and therefore infinite) that will replace all other FS's -ya all others!!! just like nfs,..., zfs will be the one all OS's should incorporate except of course M$, cause they're balless, godless Addholes, who hate being outdone and outgunned as usual. it is different, but just remeber, Sun/Solaris is historically based on BSD/Unix -the real UNIX of course so you're not far from the truth. make install RealBSD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:37:49 -0800 Subject: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 I'm currently running Solaris 10 Update 4 on x86 hardware at home. I'm excited that ZFS is coming in FreeBSD 7.0. I've found that I don't really like Solaris that much (no ports!). I find it so different from other OS's and I don't want to learn another OS just to have a decent fileserver. So I'm looking forward to migrating to FreeBSD 7.0 from Solaris 10 Update 4. Since ZFS was ported from Solaris, at version of Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris Nevada is FreeBSD 7.0 support similar to? In other words, will a lose some features, fixes, and enhancements in ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 or will I gain? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
Thanks Dan. That answered my question. I'm really happy to replace Solaris with FreeBSD. All I have to do is import my zfs pool and then upgrade it...2 commands! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the last episode (Feb 27), Joe said: I'm currently running Solaris 10 Update 4 on x86 hardware at home. I'm excited that ZFS is coming in FreeBSD 7.0. I've found that I don't really like Solaris that much (no ports!). I find it so different from other OS's and I don't want to learn another OS just to have a decent fileserver. So I'm looking forward to migrating to FreeBSD 7.0 from Solaris 10 Update 4. Since ZFS was ported from Solaris, at version of Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris Nevada is FreeBSD 7.0 support similar to? In other words, will a lose some features, fixes, and enhancements in ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 or will I gain? Going from S10U4 (zfs pool version 4) to FreeBSD 7 (v6) you will actually gain gzip compression support. Opensolaris is up to v10. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
Huh ? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:49:40 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 Thanks Dan. That answered my question. I'm really happy to replace Solaris with FreeBSD. All I have to do is import my zfs pool and then upgrade it...2 commands!On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the last episode (Feb 27), Joe said: I'm currently running Solaris 10 Update 4 on x86 hardware at home. I'm excited that ZFS is coming in FreeBSD 7.0. I've found that I don't really like Solaris that much (no ports!). I find it so different from other OS's and I don't want to learn another OS just to have a decent fileserver. So I'm looking forward to migrating to FreeBSD 7.0 from Solaris 10 Update 4. Since ZFS was ported from Solaris, at version of Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris Nevada is FreeBSD 7.0 support similar to? In other words, will a lose some features, fixes, and enhancements in ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 or will I gain? Going from S10U4 (zfs pool version 4) to FreeBSD 7 (v6) you will actually gain gzip compression support. Opensolaris is up to v10. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
On Thursday 28 February 2008, Rick Nekus wrote: Huh ? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:49:40 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 Thanks Dan. That answered my question. I'm really happy to replace Solaris with FreeBSD. All I have to do is import my zfs pool and then upgrade it...2 commands!On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the last episode (Feb 27), Joe said: I'm currently running Solaris 10 Update 4 on x86 hardware at home. I'm excited that ZFS is coming in FreeBSD 7.0. I've found that I don't really like Solaris that much (no ports!). I find it so different from other OS's and I don't want to learn another OS just to have a decent fileserver. So I'm looking forward to migrating to FreeBSD 7.0 from Solaris 10 Update 4. Since ZFS was ported from Solaris, at version of Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris Nevada is FreeBSD 7.0 support similar to? In other words, will a lose some features, fixes, and enhancements in ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0 or will I gain? Going from S10U4 (zfs pool version 4) to FreeBSD 7 (v6) you will actually gain gzip compression support. Opensolaris is up to v10. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [offtopic] If you use the Hotmail interface, please don't, anymore :) It does horrible things to your e-mails. -- Mihai Donțu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: will replace all other FS's -ya all others!!! how sure you are? I would second this. Just as a fun test, setup a test machine with hotswap drives in a RAID 10 zfspool. Add a hot spare for good measure. While the system is running, pull one of the hot swap drives and watch ZFS eat up all of the memory trying to talk to the drive that is not longer there until you get a kernel panic. We had this on Solaris (x86 and 64-bit installs). I know pulling a drive isn't necessarily exactly the same as a drive dying, but it still shouldn't bring down the whole system. (Paid) Sun support had no answer. We also tested ZFS on a FreeBSD 7.0 beta, run bonnie++ with a test file size larger then RAM, this too will eat up all available memory and bring down the system. Obviously this could be a bonnie issue, but still due to the overwhelming complexity of ZFS, it makes me nervous putting anything in production that would use it. ZFS has a lot of good features in theory, but like a lot of Sun software (NFS, JAVA) tends to be a little over-engineered and bloated. I don't intend to start a flame-war or anything thing like that, but in my experience there are still too many potential problems to really rely on it in production. It could just be my inability to setup ZFS properly. I would just recommend extensive testing and attempts to simulate drive failures before putting it into production. If ZFS ever gets to what it aspires to be, and then got combined with FreeBSD, you would have IMHO the ultimate server OS, but right now, FreeBSD with gmirror is pretty darn good. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: will replace all other FS's -ya all others!!! how sure you are? I would second this. Just as a fun test, setup a test machine with hotswap drives in a RAID 10 zfspool. Add a hot spare for good ZFS looks for me like windows - it solves some problems (2/3 of them imaginary) creating more others. UFS was just too good :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
Am Donnerstag, den 28.02.2008, 07:52 +0100 schrieb Wojciech Puchar: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: will replace all other FS's -ya all others!!! how sure you are? I would second this. Just as a fun test, setup a test machine with hotswap drives in a RAID 10 zfspool. Add a hot spare for good ZFS looks for me like windows - it solves some problems (2/3 of them imaginary) creating more others. UFS was just too good :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZFS kicks ass but I whould stay with solaris for using it under production... bye Norman ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
