Re: Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
hmm.. missed it as i never use defaults On Mon, 16 Apr 2012, Rob Farmer wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: Something about -your- installation is causing you to run out of inodes. This is a release engineering issue in 9.0, not just his installation. The defaults are screwed up. See bin/162659. -- Rob Farmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
Rob Farmer wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Robert Bonomi > wrote: >> >> Something about -your- installation is causing you to run out of inodes. >> > > This is a release engineering issue in 9.0, not just his installation. > The defaults are screwed up. See bin/162659. > Yes - I experienced this early on with first attempts at looking over 9.0 in a Virtualbox VM. I don't remember if it was 5 or 6GB size of the initial 'everything in one filesystem (/)' install which triggered it, but when I increased it to 8GB, and/or larger, the error the OP describes went away. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > Something about -your- installation is causing you to run out of inodes. > This is a release engineering issue in 9.0, not just his installation. The defaults are screwed up. See bin/162659. -- Rob Farmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
> From kes-...@yandex.ru Mon Apr 16 11:33:26 2012
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:32:44 +0300
> From: Eugen Konkov
> To: Robert Bonomi
> CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
>
> >>
> >> Does newfs always must create sufficient count of inodes?
>
> RB> This begs the question of 'what is a sufficient count of inodes?"
>
> RB> It is well-known that the required 'inode densidy' depends on the usage
> RB> of the filesystem.
>
> RB> Newfs uses defaults that are 'reasonable' for 'typical' use, and are
> RB> rarely insuficient.
>
> 'typical' use: install system and install ports
> fetch sources and buildworld
> this cause me insuficient inodes
Something about -your- installation is causing you to run out of inodes.
A 'normal' FFS newfs with all default values would have roughly twice the
number of inodes you show. And, assumig similar size files, would
let the disk fill to over 94% capacity before runnig out of inodes.
> >> Filesystem size used avail capacity iused ifree %iused mounted on
> >> /dev/ad0s1a 4.9G 2.1G 2.4G 47% 331k0 100% /mnt/disk1
>
> I know 'man' and can read that.
but apparently _didn't_, since it discusses the calculation for default
inode counts, and effective average file size.
Those figures do -not- match what you claim is the situation on your
machine.
It would be wise to determine _why_ your system is 'non-standard' in
that respect, before requesting a change in 'standard' behavior.
> I only ask to use different values for
> disks with size ~5G. this change will make life easier for newbies.
You need to figure out why YOU have only half the 'normaal' number of
inodes on -your- filesystem.
> I only question: 'Is this change will make life easier for others'?
> I do not ask, why I can not do something, or help me or else.
Quote: "or must I supply somme additional options when creating FS?' unquote.
That sure looks like a 'help me' request.
> RB> *IF*, however, you know you will be creating lots of 'tiny' files on a
> RB> particular filesystem, it is a GOOD IDEAT(tm) to use non-default settings.
>
> >> or I must
> >> supply some addition options when creating FS?
>
> RB> "Read the fine manpage" applies. along with 'know your useage'.
>
> >> #df -ih
> >> Filesystem size used avail capacity iused ifree %iused mounted on
> >> /dev/ad0s1a 4.9G 2.1G 2.4G 47% 331k0 100% /mnt/disk1
> >>
> RB> Yup. RTFM is -definitely- indicated.
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> N oaa{c-cedilia}aeieaei,
> Eugen mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru
>
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Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
>> >> Does newfs always must create sufficient count of inodes? RB> This begs the question of 'what is a sufficient count of inodes?" RB> It is well-known that the required 'inode densidy' depends on the usage RB> of the filesystem. RB> Newfs uses defaults that are 'reasonable' for 'typical' use, and are RB> rarely insuficient. 'typical' use: install system and install ports fetch sources and buildworld this cause me insuficient inodes >> Filesystem size used avail capacity iused ifree %iused mounted on >> /dev/ad0s1a 4.9G 2.1G 2.4G 47% 331k0 100% /mnt/disk1 I know 'man' and can read that. I only ask to use different values for disks with size ~5G. this change will make life easier for newbies. I only question: 'Is this change will make life easier for others'? I do not ask, why I can not do something, or help me or else. RB> *IF*, however, you know you will be creating lots of 'tiny' files on a RB> particular filesystem, it is a GOOD IDEAT(tm) to use non-default settings. >> or I must >> supply some addition options when creating FS? RB> "Read the fine manpage" applies. along with 'know your useage'. >> #df -ih >> Filesystem size used avail capacity iused ifree %iused mounted on >> /dev/ad0s1a 4.9G 2.1G 2.4G 47% 331k0 100% /mnt/disk1 >> RB> Yup. RTFM is -definitely- indicated. >> -- С уважением, Eugen mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:07:30 +0300 > From: Eugen Konkov > Subject: Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes > > > > > GL> On 4/16/12 10:01 AM, Eugen Konkov wrote: > >> > >> Does newfs always must create sufficient count of inodes? or I > >> must supply some addition options when creating FS? > >> > >> #df -ih Filesystem size used avail capacity iused ifree %iused > >> mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 4.9G 2.1G 2.4G 47% 331k0 100% > >> /mnt/disk1 > >> > >> > > GL> Hello Eugen, > > GL> Yes, please check the -i option of newfs: > GL> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=newfs > > GL> Hope that helps, > GL> Greg > > unhappy defaults for disks about ~5G capacity > because of this default create only 350k inodes > installig system and extract ports eats about 95% of inodes =( > > but about 50% disk space are free yet You may want to look at what kind of a filesystem you are using. With a 'standard' Berkeley 'FFS' I get 540+k inodes on a 4 gig partiton, with a standard 'newfs'. I get a virtually identical 'density' on a 7+gig partition (941k inodes). You show roughly -half- that inode density, which implies different filesystem characteristics, or a newfs-equvalent with non-default parameters. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
Здравствуйте, Greg. Вы писали 16 апреля 2012 г., 18:39:14: GL> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- GL> Hash: SHA1 GL> On 4/16/12 11:07 AM, Eugen Konkov wrote: >> Здравствуйте, Greg. >> >> Вы писали 16 апреля 2012 г., 17:28:59: >> >> GL> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- GL> Hash: SHA1 >> >> GL> On 4/16/12 10:01 AM, Eugen Konkov wrote: Does newfs always must create sufficient count of inodes? or I must supply some addition options when creating FS? #df -ih Filesystem size used avail capacity iused ifree %iused mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 4.9G 2.1G 2.4G 47% 331k 0 100% /mnt/disk1 >> >> GL> Hello Eugen, >> >> GL> Yes, please check the -i option of newfs: GL> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=newfs >> >> GL> Hope that helps, GL> Greg >> >> unhappy defaults for disks about ~5G capacity because of this >> default create only 350k inodes installig system and extract ports >> eats about 95% of inodes =( >> >> but about 50% disk space are free yet >> >> GL> Yes, please try increasing the number of inodes when you create the GL> filesystem. The -i option is used to do that if you are not happy GL> with the default picked by newfs. I use newfs -U -i 1024 /dev/ad0s1a I think I got enogh inodes But maybe post the PR: use -i 1024 as default for disks ~5G when doing newfs? -- С уважением, Eugen mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re[2]: newfs create to little inodes
Здравствуйте, Greg. Вы писали 16 апреля 2012 г., 17:28:59: GL> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- GL> Hash: SHA1 GL> On 4/16/12 10:01 AM, Eugen Konkov wrote: >> >> Does newfs always must create sufficient count of inodes? or I >> must supply some addition options when creating FS? >> >> #df -ih Filesystem size used avail capacity iused ifree %iused >> mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 4.9G 2.1G 2.4G 47% 331k0 100% >> /mnt/disk1 >> >> GL> Hello Eugen, GL> Yes, please check the -i option of newfs: GL> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=newfs GL> Hope that helps, GL> Greg unhappy defaults for disks about ~5G capacity because of this default create only 350k inodes installig system and extract ports eats about 95% of inodes =( but about 50% disk space are free yet -- С уважением, Eugen mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
