Re: Running own servers
Joshua Tinnin gamera at pacbell.net wrote on Tue Dec 21 19:56:20 PST 2004 On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:24:17PM -0500, RL wrote: Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. How would I go about setting up my own DNS? Would I do it through the cable modem? Wouldn't I have to buy an IP block and be the authority for it? I'm a little lost. :) You will have problems doing this unless you have a static IP. I don't think any cable service offers that. You can run a DNS server on an internal network in your case. It's also possible to run a dynamic IP resolver service, like No-IP's (dns/noip), but that is far from perfect, unless you're just doing this for testing. For any real-world purpose, you really have to have a static IP and a fully-qualified hostname. I have read of people running their own servers for everyday use using something like No-IP, but if you're running a mail server, you will most likely have to deal with mail being rejected because of blacklisting (many ISPs block all major ISPs' dynamic blocks from sending to their mail servers to prevent spam), as well as reverse dns problems. While the reverse DNS thing is true, the mailservers can be set up to use a smarthost and still operate off a dynamic IP address. Mine do. -- JS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On 12/21/04 07:56 PM, Joshua Tinnin sat at the `puter and typed: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:24:17PM -0500, RL wrote: Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. How would I go about setting up my own DNS? Would I do it through the cable modem? Wouldn't I have to buy an IP block and be the authority for it? I'm a little lost. :) You will have problems doing this unless you have a static IP. I don't think any cable service offers that. You can run a DNS server on an internal network in your case. It's also possible to run a dynamic IP resolver service, like No-IP's (dns/noip), but that is far from perfect, unless you're just doing this for testing. For any real-world purpose, you really have to have a static IP and a fully-qualified hostname. I have read of people running their own servers for everyday use using something like No-IP, but if you're running a mail server, you will most likely have to deal with mail being rejected because of blacklisting (many ISPs block all major ISPs' dynamic blocks from sending to their mail servers to prevent spam), as well as reverse dns problems. It can work alright for a small website server setup for fun or testing, or something that won't require complicated network protocols. All true, but there are easy ways around all of this. I don't know about the other dynamic dns services, but ZoneEdit (http://www.zoneedit.com/) is free up to a very reasonable traffic level - never cost me a nickel until I wanted backup mail service, and I've even cranked the TTL down a little on my zone records. I can't remember offhand what a traffic unit cost, probably because I found it minimal at best. They also have a web based interface you can have your dhcp hooks call through lynx to automagically reset your IP on their end anytime you get renumbered. Since I've cranked my zone TTL down a bit, it's usually a matter of minutes until the records get out to the farthest reaches. Granted, if I were renumbered every week, I'd probably hit the threshold on free service more often. As for rejected email, I just have zoneedit act as the lowest priority MX for my domains and anytime something can't get sent to my system because I've been renumbered, zoneedit will spend up to 10 days trying to relay it in - which usually turns into a matter of a couple hours at most, since they find out where I am pretty quick. I've been using zoneedit for longer than I can remember - since my 4.3 install at least, with both cable/DHCP and DSL/PPP, and the only time I ever know I've been renumbered is when I check my logs. I don't get reports of email that I never received either. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ The clash of ideas is the sound of freedom. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On 12/21/04 11:12 PM, RL sat at the `puter and typed: SNIP What's the most popular option? Is it buying a business DSL or T1 service or is it to colocate it? All of them are pricey. :( That really depends on your desired level of service. If you're running servers for commercial purposes or even very ambitious personal purposes, you may be happy with a hosting company. They're getting a lot more reasonable than static IPs. Can't understand why because they usually *provide* a static IP, often dedicated to your account. Someone I work with uses openhosting.com, and says they're pretty good. He runs a mail server and web server on a virtual Linux system with its own IP. He also does mail forwarding for an NPO and has a few email accounts, mostly for friends. Since it's a virtual system, he essentially has root access and can install whatever software he wants in his own 'system'. I run a mail server with 4 family accounts, a webserver (currently just the Apache test page) and Tomcat out of my own back room in my apartment. I never did anything overly fancy, no commercial stuff, but at one point I did put up a few Apache Perl modules I wrote and lots of family pics available only to those with a password. Eventually I'll get around to doing some real fun stuff with it, but until then, it's just that. Maybe someday I'll break down and go with a hosting company, but right now I'm perfectly happy with the setup I have. If you're going to be putting up commercial pages and driving traffic to it, trust me, you want someone else bargaining for that bandwidth. Your ISP will kick back *hard* if they see your bandwidth spike to that degree. As for the Colo, that's not really a one man band kind of option. My employer has colocation services all over the planet, and they pay quite a bit for it. They're getting a good deal, but that's because they pay for so many. One system, or even a switch and a few systems is going to cost a lot more. You might as well get FTTP from Verizon and go with a small addition to your house to host it. It may cost a little more than the colo in the short run, but in the long run, you still have the addition. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Nirvana? That's the place where the powers that be and their friends hang out. -- Zonker Harris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On 12/21/04 08:14 PM, Joshua Tinnin sat at the `puter and typed: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:59:51PM -0500, RL wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:56:15 -0800, Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:24:17PM -0500, RL wrote: Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. How would I go about setting up my own DNS? Would I do it through the cable modem? Wouldn't I have to buy an IP block and be the authority for it? I'm a little lost. :) You will have problems doing this unless you have a static IP. I don't think any cable service offers that. You can run a DNS server on an internal network in your case. It's also possible to run a dynamic IP resolver service, like No-IP's (dns/noip), but that is far from perfect, unless you're just doing this for testing. For any real-world purpose, you really have to have a static IP and a fully-qualified hostname. I have read of people running their own servers for everyday use using something like No-IP, but if you're running a mail server, you will most likely have to deal with mail being rejected because of blacklisting (many ISPs block all major ISPs' dynamic blocks from sending to their mail servers to prevent spam), as well as reverse dns problems. It can work alright for a small website server setup for fun or testing, or something that won't require complicated network protocols. I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( Well, that's news to me. I guess it was just a matter of time before cable providers started offering static IP. Even so, you're probably best off shopping around a bit, although you most likely won't find anything that's $40/mo., but who knows? One advantage of going with a smaller provider with a good reputation is that your IP won't be blacklisted (or there is much less likelihood of it). One problem with so many people running servers these days is that you don't know who to trust, so whole IP blocks of major ISPs end up being blacklisted, and not just the dynamic blocks, but this is more likely to happen if the ISP is careless about spam. If you're going to go through with it and spend the extra money, make sure to do some research and get a good IP with a reputable company. Comcast/ATT/MediaOne has been offering static IPs for a few years. They've just never advertised them very thoroughly - and with good reason, they're not the least bit competitive with the other options out there. I've always suspected that they just don't want to do it so they mask in a hassle surcharge. Even if your IP block is blacklisted, as MOST dynamic blocks are, decent ISPs often have their own relays. Even if it's not an open relay (which hopefully it isn't) you can set up sendmail or postfix to do the authentication and relay through your ISP. This works fine for me. As for other options, you're kinda stuck with the problems of reverse dns, except if your IP isn't released for a long time, but then you're sort of gambling. Anyway, it's kind of a drag, I remember a time not long ago when static IPs with shell accounts on dialup were cheap, but now that so many people have broadband, you really have to pony up a bit of extra cash to get your IP out of the swamp of IP blocks full of zombied machines. But you can always do some testing on your own to see what would work for you. That still assumes rDNS is critical. It's not for lots of things. Even commercial ventures often gloss over the rDNS side of DNS administration. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Deflector shields just came on, Captain. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On 21 December, 2004, at 23:12 (-0500) RL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the most popular option? Is it buying a business DSL or T1 service or is it to colocate it? All of them are pricey. :( Depending on where you are, you may have other options as well. I'm in the Philadelphia, PA, area. I have a somewhat non-standard DSL arrangement that works very well for me. Verizon supplies the wire and the DSL signal (as well as my local phone service), but I use someone else--a so-called Verizon partner ISP--as my ISP. My ISP handles all the billing, and they will give me up to 5 static IP addresses. (I currently use 2.) I provide my own forward DNS, SMTP and HTTP services. My ISP has no problem providing me with DNS PTR records for the assigned IPs; doing a dig -x on the address returned for my domain's MX address yields a PTR record that refers back to my domain. If, for some reason, I want to change the PTR record, I simply drop them an email; they usually take care of it within in hour or so. If I want another static IP address, the procedure and turnaround time are comparable. There *is* a small price for this extra functionality: I pay about $10-$15 more per month than if I were to go with a native Verizon DSL set up. I pay $44.95/month for 1.5Mbps/384Kbps ADSL. For native Verizon, a month-to-month plan is $34.95/mo, and a plan with a 1-year commitment is $29.95/month. But Verizon will not give me static IPs for that price; the extra monthly cost is worth it to me. I have had this arrangment for almost 5 years; 5 years ago, the monthly cost was higher and the bandwidth was lower. The cost and bandwidth have only improved over time. Shop around, if you can. There may be other providers of DSL service in your area who provide more enlightened service options. Regards, Brian Clapper, http://www.clapper.org/bmc/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 07:09:43AM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: ... As for rejected email, I just have zoneedit act as the lowest priority MX for my domains and anytime something can't get sent to my system because I've been renumbered, zoneedit will spend up to 10 days trying to relay it in - which usually turns into a matter of a couple hours at most, since they find out where I am pretty quick. I've been using zoneedit for longer than I can remember - since my 4.3 install at least, with both cable/DHCP and DSL/PPP, and the only time I ever know I've been renumbered is when I check my logs. I don't get reports of email that I never received either. Another option for e-mail, that I'm just investigating myself, is to use an ODMR (on-demand mail relay) service like MailKeep ( http://www.mailkeep.com ). I just set up a 30 day free trial account with them. I set up my domain on their site, identified them as my primary MX, and initiated an ODMR transfer with fetchmail. I have it set up to do 'direct SMTP', which means that if my mail server is up mail is delivered immediately. The benefit of a service like this is that you tell it what your mail server says in its banner, and if it doesn't see that text it won't deliver the mail (it stays queued on their server). That way it won't accidentally deliver your mail to someone else. The way that you tell it what your mail server IP is is by initiating an ODMR session with your username and password, which you have to do at least once a day, again as a verification measure so it's really sure it's delivering mail to the right party. That's easily cron-able. It is a pay service but it's much more reasonable than a static IP (at least in my area), and if you don't like taking the gamble that you're going to lose mail it may be worth it to you. -- Danny ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Dec 22, Brian Clapper launched this into the bitstream: On 21 December, 2004, at 23:12 (-0500) RL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the most popular option? Is it buying a business DSL or T1 service or is it to colocate it? All of them are pricey. :( Depending on where you are, you may have other options as well. I'm in the Philadelphia, PA, area. I have a somewhat non-standard DSL arrangement that works very well for me. Verizon supplies the wire and the DSL signal (as well as my local phone service), but I use someone else--a so-called Verizon partner ISP--as my ISP. My ISP handles all the billing, and they will give me up to 5 static IP addresses. (I currently use 2.) I provide my own forward DNS, SMTP and HTTP services. My ISP has no problem providing me with DNS PTR records for the assigned IPs; doing a dig -x on the address returned for my domain's MX address yields a PTR record that refers back to my domain. If, for some reason, I want to change the PTR record, I simply drop them an email; they usually take care of it within in hour or so. If I want another static IP address, the procedure and turnaround time are comparable. There *is* a small price for this extra functionality: I pay about $10-$15 more per month than if I were to go with a native Verizon DSL set up. I pay $44.95/month for 1.5Mbps/384Kbps ADSL. For native Verizon, a month-to-month plan is $34.95/mo, and a plan with a 1-year commitment is $29.95/month. But Verizon will not give me static IPs for that price; the extra monthly cost is worth it to me. I have had this arrangment for almost 5 years; 5 years ago, the monthly cost was higher and the bandwidth was lower. The cost and bandwidth have only improved over time. I had the same arrangement, but in the Westchester NY area. My local ISP wangled a deal to resell the Verizon SDSL offering and man but didn't they ever do one fine job. If...IF you're in or close to Westchester NY (New York City, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess, Orange, Sullivan, Ulster, and Long Island), as well as part of Connecticut (Greenwich), all of New Jersey, and eastern Massachusetts) *do* consider giving Cloud9 Internet a call. They rock(ed) back when I lived there. http://www.cloud9.net and/or (914) 696 4000. I just checked the site to be sure I gave the right number, I did...and that was from memory!! :-) Regards Greetings from The Netherlands, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven Wed Dec 22 21:43:00 CET 2004 9:43PM up 6 days, 2:33, 7 users, load averages: 1.16, 1.36, 1.40 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On 12/22/04 09:44 PM, Colin J. Raven sat at the `puter and typed: SNIP I had the same arrangement, but in the Westchester NY area. My local ISP wangled a deal to resell the Verizon SDSL offering and man but didn't they ever do one fine job. If...IF you're in or close to Westchester NY (New York City, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Dutchess, Orange, Sullivan, Ulster, and Long Island), as well as part of Connecticut (Greenwich), all of New Jersey, and eastern Massachusetts) *do* consider giving Cloud9 Internet a call. They rock(ed) back when I lived there. http://www.cloud9.net and/or (914) 696 4000. I just checked the site to be sure I gave the right number, I did...and that was from memory!! :-) Regards Greetings from The Netherlands, -Colin I just checked them out via email (I'm just a hop west of Boston). I gave them my phone #, address, and told they they could check out my eligibility. I got an almost immediate response, and they ensure me service availability should be no more than a day, with downtime no longer than that required for me to set up PPPoE, which shouldn't be long, considering I already have a working PPPoE config with Verizon. Maybe just a minor reconfig? As far as use, they don't care so long as the government doesn't say it's illegal. Cool. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Unnamed Law: If it happens, it must be possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Running own servers
Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. How would I go about setting up my own DNS? Would I do it through the cable modem? Wouldn't I have to buy an IP block and be the authority for it? I'm a little lost. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Running own servers
RL writes: Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. In which case the key question is How often do you get renumbered?. If it's once a week, it's probably not worth it. In my case, I've had the current IP for over a year. I could, hypothetically run a DNS server without any problem. You also need to see how your ISP really feels about servers that violate their Terms of Service. Some scan aggressively and will lock offenders down or terminate service; mine is If it's not a problem, it's not a problem. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:24:17PM -0500, RL wrote: Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. How would I go about setting up my own DNS? Would I do it through the cable modem? Wouldn't I have to buy an IP block and be the authority for it? I'm a little lost. :) You will have problems doing this unless you have a static IP. I don't think any cable service offers that. You can run a DNS server on an internal network in your case. It's also possible to run a dynamic IP resolver service, like No-IP's (dns/noip), but that is far from perfect, unless you're just doing this for testing. For any real-world purpose, you really have to have a static IP and a fully-qualified hostname. I have read of people running their own servers for everyday use using something like No-IP, but if you're running a mail server, you will most likely have to deal with mail being rejected because of blacklisting (many ISPs block all major ISPs' dynamic blocks from sending to their mail servers to prevent spam), as well as reverse dns problems. It can work alright for a small website server setup for fun or testing, or something that won't require complicated network protocols. - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:56:15 -0800, Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:24:17PM -0500, RL wrote: Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. How would I go about setting up my own DNS? Would I do it through the cable modem? Wouldn't I have to buy an IP block and be the authority for it? I'm a little lost. :) You will have problems doing this unless you have a static IP. I don't think any cable service offers that. You can run a DNS server on an internal network in your case. It's also possible to run a dynamic IP resolver service, like No-IP's (dns/noip), but that is far from perfect, unless you're just doing this for testing. For any real-world purpose, you really have to have a static IP and a fully-qualified hostname. I have read of people running their own servers for everyday use using something like No-IP, but if you're running a mail server, you will most likely have to deal with mail being rejected because of blacklisting (many ISPs block all major ISPs' dynamic blocks from sending to their mail servers to prevent spam), as well as reverse dns problems. It can work alright for a small website server setup for fun or testing, or something that won't require complicated network protocols. - jt I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 22:59 -0500, RL wrote: I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( Without your ISPs assistance, you wouldn't be able to run reverse DNS anyway. Forward DNS on dynamic IP's is tricky as you have to re-register/change your name servers IP address with your domain name provider every time you get a new address. DynDNS for SMPT is doable, but forget DNS. -Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:04:55 -0500, RL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:02:35 -0600, Frank Knobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 22:59 -0500, RL wrote: I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( Without your ISPs assistance, you wouldn't be able to run reverse DNS anyway. Forward DNS on dynamic IP's is tricky as you have to re-register/change your name servers IP address with your domain name provider every time you get a new address. DynDNS for SMPT is doable, but forget DNS. -Frank So I guess my only option *if* I wanted to do this was to buy a business class DSL service that offers a static IP? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
RL wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:04:55 -0500, RL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:02:35 -0600, Frank Knobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 22:59 -0500, RL wrote: I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( Without your ISPs assistance, you wouldn't be able to run reverse DNS anyway. Forward DNS on dynamic IP's is tricky as you have to re-register/change your name servers IP address with your domain name provider every time you get a new address. DynDNS for SMPT is doable, but forget DNS. -Frank So I guess my only option *if* I wanted to do this was to buy a business class DSL service that offers a static IP? Correct - then again *IF* the DSL provider will allow you to be authoritive (and that's not really gonna happen) They will howver, do the reverse for you at that point. -- Best regards, Chris There are two kinds of adhesive tape: That which won't stay on and that which won't come off. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 23:04 -0500, RL wrote: So I guess my only option *if* I wanted to do this was to buy a business class DSL service that offers a static IP? Or find someone with public name servers that is willing to pull zones from your name server. Your domains then reference those 3rd party name servers, but not your own. But since those 3rd party name servers pull zones from your box, you are still in control of your zones as far as configuration of zone information is concerned. Regards, Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:10:02 -0600, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RL wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:04:55 -0500, RL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:02:35 -0600, Frank Knobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 22:59 -0500, RL wrote: I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( Without your ISPs assistance, you wouldn't be able to run reverse DNS anyway. Forward DNS on dynamic IP's is tricky as you have to re-register/change your name servers IP address with your domain name provider every time you get a new address. DynDNS for SMPT is doable, but forget DNS. -Frank So I guess my only option *if* I wanted to do this was to buy a business class DSL service that offers a static IP? Correct - then again *IF* the DSL provider will allow you to be authoritive (and that's not really gonna happen) They will howver, do the reverse for you at that point. -- Best regards, Chris There are two kinds of adhesive tape: That which won't stay on and that which won't come off. What's the most popular option? Is it buying a business DSL or T1 service or is it to colocate it? All of them are pricey. :( ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:59:51PM -0500, RL wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:56:15 -0800, Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:24:17PM -0500, RL wrote: Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. How would I go about setting up my own DNS? Would I do it through the cable modem? Wouldn't I have to buy an IP block and be the authority for it? I'm a little lost. :) You will have problems doing this unless you have a static IP. I don't think any cable service offers that. You can run a DNS server on an internal network in your case. It's also possible to run a dynamic IP resolver service, like No-IP's (dns/noip), but that is far from perfect, unless you're just doing this for testing. For any real-world purpose, you really have to have a static IP and a fully-qualified hostname. I have read of people running their own servers for everyday use using something like No-IP, but if you're running a mail server, you will most likely have to deal with mail being rejected because of blacklisting (many ISPs block all major ISPs' dynamic blocks from sending to their mail servers to prevent spam), as well as reverse dns problems. It can work alright for a small website server setup for fun or testing, or something that won't require complicated network protocols. I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( Well, that's news to me. I guess it was just a matter of time before cable providers started offering static IP. Even so, you're probably best off shopping around a bit, although you most likely won't find anything that's $40/mo., but who knows? One advantage of going with a smaller provider with a good reputation is that your IP won't be blacklisted (or there is much less likelihood of it). One problem with so many people running servers these days is that you don't know who to trust, so whole IP blocks of major ISPs end up being blacklisted, and not just the dynamic blocks, but this is more likely to happen if the ISP is careless about spam. If you're going to go through with it and spend the extra money, make sure to do some research and get a good IP with a reputable company. As for other options, you're kinda stuck with the problems of reverse dns, except if your IP isn't released for a long time, but then you're sort of gambling. Anyway, it's kind of a drag, I remember a time not long ago when static IPs with shell accounts on dialup were cheap, but now that so many people have broadband, you really have to pony up a bit of extra cash to get your IP out of the swamp of IP blocks full of zombied machines. But you can always do some testing on your own to see what would work for you. - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:06:06 -0500, RL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I guess my only option *if* I wanted to do this was to buy a business class DSL service that offers a static IP? You still won't be able to do reverse dns with that (unless your ISP delegates the IP (block) to you (the only I know of that offers this is demon.co.uk)). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
Frank Knobbe wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 23:04 -0500, RL wrote: So I guess my only option *if* I wanted to do this was to buy a business class DSL service that offers a static IP? Or find someone with public name servers that is willing to pull zones from your name server. Your domains then reference those 3rd party name servers, but not your own. But since those 3rd party name servers pull zones from your box, you are still in control of your zones as far as configuration of zone information is concerned. Regards, Frank I can't see how that will work. If an IP block say belongs to Verizon, THEY are authoritive. You just can't steal stuff and have it resolve both ways. I dunno - maybe my understanding of DNS is wrong - but it just can't and dont work that way if you want a responce from some domain 1/2 way around the world. -- Best regards, Chris It's tough to get reallocated when you're the one who's redundant. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 22:16 -0600, Chris wrote: Or find someone with public name servers that is willing to pull zones from your name server. Your domains then reference those 3rd party name servers, but not your own. But since those 3rd party name servers pull zones from your box, you are still in control of your zones as far as configuration of zone information is concerned. I can't see how that will work. If an IP block say belongs to Verizon, THEY are authoritive. You just can't steal stuff and have it resolve both ways. For reverse DNS, that is correct. You still won't be able to do reverse DNS. However, forward DNS works just fine. I have a friend for example that administrates his own zone files for the two domains he owns. My primary name server pulls that info from his box, and my secondaries will pull it from my primary. His domains all reference my name servers. That way the domains use stable name servers, but he is still able to make changes (i.e. new CNAME and A records) without my involvement. Again, this is only for forward resolution. Reverse resolution has always to be delegated by the IP block owner to a stable name server within that block. I'm not aware of any ISP who would delegate reverse resolution to an address outside of their control. Cheers, Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
Joshua Tinnin wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:59:51PM -0500, RL wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:56:15 -0800, Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:24:17PM -0500, RL wrote: Hi. I currently have a cable modem, but I want to (if it's not too pricey) run my own servers including DNS server. My cable provider currently doesn't offer static IPs so I have a dynamic. How would I go about setting up my own DNS? Would I do it through the cable modem? Wouldn't I have to buy an IP block and be the authority for it? I'm a little lost. :) You will have problems doing this unless you have a static IP. I don't think any cable service offers that. You can run a DNS server on an internal network in your case. It's also possible to run a dynamic IP resolver service, like No-IP's (dns/noip), but that is far from perfect, unless you're just doing this for testing. For any real-world purpose, you really have to have a static IP and a fully-qualified hostname. I have read of people running their own servers for everyday use using something like No-IP, but if you're running a mail server, you will most likely have to deal with mail being rejected because of blacklisting (many ISPs block all major ISPs' dynamic blocks from sending to their mail servers to prevent spam), as well as reverse dns problems. It can work alright for a small website server setup for fun or testing, or something that won't require complicated network protocols. I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( Well, that's news to me. I guess it was just a matter of time before cable providers started offering static IP. Even so, you're probably best off shopping around a bit, although you most likely won't find anything that's $40/mo., but who knows? One advantage of going with a smaller provider with a good reputation is that your IP won't be blacklisted (or there is much less likelihood of it). One problem with so many people running servers these days is that you don't know who to trust, so whole IP blocks of major ISPs end up being blacklisted, and not just the dynamic blocks, but this is more likely to happen if the ISP is careless about spam. If you're going to go through with it and spend the extra money, make sure to do some research and get a good IP with a reputable company. As for other options, you're kinda stuck with the problems of reverse dns, except if your IP isn't released for a long time, but then you're sort of gambling. Anyway, it's kind of a drag, I remember a time not long ago when static IPs with shell accounts on dialup were cheap, but now that so many people have broadband, you really have to pony up a bit of extra cash to get your IP out of the swamp of IP blocks full of zombied machines. But you can always do some testing on your own to see what would work for you. - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just as an FYI, my provider (Cavtel) gives me DSL w/ a static IP, no PPPoE crap, AND they'll set a reverse DNS for you. Also, they don't really have much of an accepted use policy. I chatted with the phone tech (VERY knowledgeable, i was quite surprised to find) for about a half an hour when I called in to get my reverse DNS lookup setup. He was a linux user, and was considering switching to FBSD. At the end of our talk, he said to look for him in the FBSD mailing lists, since he'd probably be switching. So, if you're out there... HI! And thanks. Just my two cents... but options are definately out there. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 10:02:35PM -0600, Frank Knobbe wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 22:59 -0500, RL wrote: I just called my cable modem ISP (adelphia) and they said a static IP address is $130 per month!! Forget that! Now what are my other options? I do have a dynDNS address for my dynamic IP, but I can't run a DNS server and do reverse DNS with that. :( Without your ISPs assistance, you wouldn't be able to run reverse DNS anyway. Forward DNS on dynamic IP's is tricky as you have to re-register/change your name servers IP address with your domain name provider every time you get a new address. Yes, but many professional ISPs specialize in customers who want to run their own servers. A smaller ISP in my area will do rDNS for home and pro users, so if you're paying for a static IP, they assume you will need rDNS. However, their lower tiers don't have as much speed and would only be practical for small setups, but they start at around $60/mo. Many other small ISPs in my area will do this, but I live in a large metro area. But you can usually find something cheaper than $130, and with a company that will handle rDNS for you. DynDNS for SMPT is doable, but forget DNS. I guess it's doable, but it wouldn't really work well for my needs. - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running own servers
What's the most popular option? Is it buying a business DSL or T1 service or is it to colocate it? All of them are pricey. :( You can get high quality residential service with a static IP for a lot less than what your cable company would charge for that one fixed IP. For example, I get 1.5/768 service from Speakeasy for $90/mo, with 2 fixed IPs. That isn't a ton of upstream, but it is enough to let me do my own web server, mail server, and private music stream so I can listen to all my tunes at work. My web content draws over 40k pageviews a month... several gigs of data sent upstream to approx 10k unique users. It's not corporate scale but it's fine for a hobbyist. Speakeasy's policy explicitly allows you to run your own servers with the exception of IRC. They are a really, really good ISP. (Check dslreports.com for more reviews and recommendations) $90/mo (plus taxes) isn't chump change but I really enjoy running my own server so it is worth it to me. It is probably possible to co-lo for less, but this way I have complete control over everything. If I want to try something new, I just do it. Before Speakeasy, I used an ATT cable modem. It was a dynamic IP but they only changed it on me once every 6 months, so I got by for quite a while. See if you can figure out what your lease time is before you get a new ISP. It might be good enough to get your feet wet. Good luck and have fun! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [EMAIL PROTECTED] * KF6IYW * http://wrongcrowd.com I am Matt Staroscik and I approved this message. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
