Strange port 80 access problem

2007-09-12 Thread Don O'Neil
I have a very strange access problem that just popped up this morning. For
whatever reason, my machine at home over my cable modem can no longer access
Apache on port 80... However other services are accessible elsewhere (Direct
Admin control panel, FTP, SMTP,etc...) BUT Apache is accessible to other
devices, not on my IP... It seems as though there is some sort of IP block
on me, but I can't seem to find anything in the logs to confirm this. I
don't have a 'deny from' in any .htaccess files... What could be going on?

I'm running apache 1.3.39, and FreeBSD 6.1.

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Re: Strange port 80 access problem

2007-09-12 Thread Beech Rintoul
On Wednesday 12 September 2007, Don O'Neil said:
 I have a very strange access problem that just popped up this
 morning. For whatever reason, my machine at home over my cable
 modem can no longer access Apache on port 80... However other
 services are accessible elsewhere (Direct Admin control panel, FTP,
 SMTP,etc...) BUT Apache is accessible to other devices, not on my
 IP... It seems as though there is some sort of IP block on me, but
 I can't seem to find anything in the logs to confirm this. I don't
 have a 'deny from' in any .htaccess files... What could be going
 on?

 I'm running apache 1.3.39, and FreeBSD 6.1.

It's very possible that your ISP is blocking port 80. It seems more 
and more of them are doing that with home subscribers. I know someone 
who has service with one of the large telcos and they not only block 
port 80, but mail and ftp as well. They told him if he wanted to run 
servers he would have to subscribe to business service at 5X the cost 
of residential.

If you can ping other ports on your home machine, that's most likely 
what's happening. Your logs wouldn't necessarily show anything 
because the requests are not reaching your server. After you verify 
(from outside) that you can't reach port 80, about your only other 
option is to use one of the free nameservers that will redirect your 
traffic to another port. You will also need to reconfigure apache to 
listen on that port instead of port 80. Finally, if you have a 
firewall on your box, make sure it's not getting blocked there.

Verify that apache is actually listening on 80 by doing:

sockstat | grep httpd

You should see lines like the following:

www  httpd  59775 3  tcp46  *:80  *:*

If you don't than that's your problem, but if you see the *:80, you 
need to contact your ISP, fix your firewall, or look into redirect.


Beech


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Re: Strange port 80 access problem

2007-09-12 Thread Reid Linnemann

Written by Beech Rintoul on 09/12/07 11:14
It's very possible that your ISP is blocking port 80. It seems more 
and more of them are doing that with home subscribers. I know someone 
who has service with one of the large telcos and they not only block 
port 80, but mail and ftp as well. They told him if he wanted to run 
servers he would have to subscribe to business service at 5X the cost 
of residential.




I've had a similar experience with COX Communications in the US midwest. 
They block http, https, alternate http ports like 8000 and 8080, smtp, 
and I think pop and imap/imaps. I'm sure part of the reason for this 
paranoid behavior is to protect their networks from saturation from bots 
and whatnot, but part of me thinks they just want to stick it to their 
customers whom they view as pesky annoyances rather than valuable 
consumers. I circumvent these hassles by boring ssh tunnels to the 
services I need access to on my home machines. This is a stopgap until I 
get time to fiddle with openvpn.


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Re: Strange port 80 access problem

2007-09-12 Thread Beech Rintoul
On Wednesday 12 September 2007, Reid Linnemann said:
 Written by Beech Rintoul on 09/12/07 11:14

  It's very possible that your ISP is blocking port 80. It seems
  more and more of them are doing that with home subscribers. I
  know someone who has service with one of the large telcos and
  they not only block port 80, but mail and ftp as well. They told
  him if he wanted to run servers he would have to subscribe to
  business service at 5X the cost of residential.

 I've had a similar experience with COX Communications in the US
 midwest. They block http, https, alternate http ports like 8000 and
 8080, smtp, and I think pop and imap/imaps. I'm sure part of the
 reason for this paranoid behavior is to protect their networks from
 saturation from bots and whatnot, but part of me thinks they just
 want to stick it to their customers whom they view as pesky
 annoyances rather than valuable consumers. I circumvent these
 hassles by boring ssh tunnels to the services I need access to on
 my home machines. This is a stopgap until I get time to fiddle with
 openvpn.

That's another option. I'm very lucky. Here in Anchorage, the cable 
provider (GCI), is totally OK with people running servers as long as 
you're not selling webspace or email services (Your home business is 
OK). They deal with abusers on an individual basis. They also do 
network scanning looking for bots and will put a user on security 
block until they fix it, but I've never known anyone who actually got 
blocked. I wish more ISP's had that attitude instead of trying to 
screw subscribers out of more money just to run their mail or 
website.



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Re: Strange port 80 access problem

2007-09-12 Thread Darren Spruell
On 9/12/07, Reid Linnemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Written by Beech Rintoul on 09/12/07 11:14
  It's very possible that your ISP is blocking port 80. It seems more
  and more of them are doing that with home subscribers. I know someone
  who has service with one of the large telcos and they not only block
  port 80, but mail and ftp as well. They told him if he wanted to run
  servers he would have to subscribe to business service at 5X the cost
  of residential.
 

 I've had a similar experience with COX Communications in the US midwest.
 They block http, https, alternate http ports like 8000 and 8080, smtp,
 and I think pop and imap/imaps. I'm sure part of the reason for this
 paranoid behavior is to protect their networks from saturation from bots
 and whatnot, but part of me thinks they just want to stick it to their
 customers whom they view as pesky annoyances rather than valuable
 consumers. I circumvent these hassles by boring ssh tunnels to the
 services I need access to on my home machines. This is a stopgap until I
 get time to fiddle with openvpn.

It might depend where  you are on their network, but there's some
inconsistencies with the blocking. Port 80 is blocked, but port 443 is
allowed. Port 25 is blocked, but 587 is allowed. 135, 137, 139, and
445 are blocked. 8080, 8081, and 1 get through to my network. Most
other ports are allowed by default.

Like it or hate it, it's a control designed to support their
subscriber AUP, which states pretty plainly that customers are
forbidden to host servers on the home user accounts
(http://www.cox.com/policy/  #6). Business lines have such
restrictions listed and allow hosting services by policy, and puts the
burden of security on the customer rather than attempting to enforce
by technical means.

DS
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