RE: Thanks! and... the su command

2006-03-26 Thread Freek Nossin
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: zondag 26 maart 2006 8:54
 To: Saul Mena Avila
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Thanks! and... the su command
 
 In the last episode (Mar 26), Saul Mena Avila said:
  Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have
 trouble
  with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I
 try to
  login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's
 all.
  Is it wrong configured or installed?
 
 You need to be in the 'wheel' group to su to root.  It's not mentioned
 in the su manpage, but is in both the FAQ and handbook.
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/securing-
 freebsd.html
 
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   Dan Nelson
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Although it is described in the handbook, in my opinion an error message,
or more generally a feedback message, should give more useful feedback to
the user. Now the user must think of all the checks that can fail while - in
this case - authenticating, which is rather silly when you think of it,
because the su-command, just did exactly the same, and could have easily
printed a message that would describe the check on which it returned the
error.

- Freek Nossin

PS:
cc to freebsd-?



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Re: Thanks! and... the su command

2006-03-26 Thread User Elisej
On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 01:07:15PM +0200, Freek Nossin wrote:
  -Original Message-
  From: Dan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: zondag 26 maart 2006 8:54
  To: Saul Mena Avila
  Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: Re: Thanks! and... the su command
  
  In the last episode (Mar 26), Saul Mena Avila said:
   Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have
  trouble
   with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I
  try to
   login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's
  all.
   Is it wrong configured or installed?
  
  You need to be in the 'wheel' group to su to root.  It's not mentioned
  in the su manpage, but is in both the FAQ and handbook.
  
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/securing-
  freebsd.html
  
  --
  Dan Nelson
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Although it is described in the handbook, in my opinion an error message,
 or more generally a feedback message, should give more useful feedback to
 the user. Now the user must think of all the checks that can fail while - in
 this case - authenticating, which is rather silly when you think of it,
 because the su-command, just did exactly the same, and could have easily
 printed a message that would describe the check on which it returned the
 error.
 
 - Freek Nossin
 
 PS:
 cc to freebsd-?
 
 
 
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There is a way to su root anyway.
Should you read su(1) and pam.conf(5), you see that your ability to su root 
depends on the
/etc/pam.d/su
For the first time, you can delete this file, and you will be able to su 
anybody always. But this is not a good way for security reasons.
Then read pam.conf(5) and edit the /etc/pam.d/su in a way allowing you to su 
root. But only you.

Elisej Babenko
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Thanks! and... the su command

2006-03-25 Thread Saul Mena Avila
Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble
with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to
login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all.
Is it wrong configured or installed?

-saul
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Re: Thanks! and... the su command

2006-03-25 Thread P.U.Kruppa

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Saul Mena Avila wrote:


Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble
with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to
login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all.
Is it wrong configured or installed?
Per default only members of group wheel are allowed to su to 
root.


Regards,

Uli.






-saul
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Re: Thanks! and... the su command

2006-03-25 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Mar 26), Saul Mena Avila said:
 Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble
 with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to
 login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all.
 Is it wrong configured or installed?

You need to be in the 'wheel' group to su to root.  It's not mentioned
in the su manpage, but is in both the FAQ and handbook.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/admin.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/securing-freebsd.html

-- 
Dan Nelson
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Re: Thanks! and... the su command

2006-03-25 Thread David J Brooks
On Sunday 26 March 2006 00:45, Saul Mena Avila wrote:
 Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have
 trouble with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime
 I try to login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and
 that's all. Is it wrong configured or installed?

That's the same error I get when I've mistyped the root password.

David
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but He didn't have an established userbase.
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Re: Thanks! and... the su command

2006-03-25 Thread Duane Whitty

Saul Mena Avila wrote:

Hi!. Thanks for helping me with the USB flash memory. I've also have trouble
with the su command... since I installed the FreeBSD 5.4, everytime I try to
login as root with su, the shell answers me with Sorry... and that's all.
Is it wrong configured or installed?

-saul
  

Hi,

Check to see if you belong to the wheel group.
As root
#pw groupshow wheel

If your user name doesn't appear then do this
#pw groupmod wheel -m your_user_name_here

Next time you log in as that user you should
be able to su to root

--Duane Whitty
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