Re: USB 3 / eSATA support
I think for now I am going to build FreeBSD VM on my windows box and dedicate it to running Bacula Director and Storage Daemon, I was able to get a 20MB sustained through put through the VMware USB emulation copying a file from an SFTP as I had no large files on the local system from my test FreeBSD 9 VM. Though now I don't know why I didn't think to just us dd from /dev/random to a file on the disk, will likely give that a try once my new VM is built. This will get me by performance to a workable speed until I can come up with a more permanent solution, and keep me from spending more money this month so I have a little bit left to add to my savings account. Just an update to this thread in case anyone runs into it, and thinks building a FreeBSD VM within VMware to run Bacula backups to a USB hard drive is a good idea. It turns out that it isn't, not sure if its a VMware FreeBSD guest issue, or a general VMware USB issue, but the heavy load on the USB drive has caused several crashes of the host system. Which of course in turn means a hard crash of the FreeBSD virtual machine, complete with corrupted file systems. It did give me some practice recovering lost Bacula database as I lost my whole PostgreSQL database due to corrupted files once. This might work for many small files, backups ran OK for my web server, but backups against the FreeNAS server with around 200G about 100G is an iTunes library, and around another 20G is photos. When hitting these bigger files with less overhead that allowed for more throughput to the USB device the crashes began to occur. Of course, I should note this setup was done with a FreeBSD9.0-Release virtual machine built from source, using clang, and all ports where possible also built with clang. And running open-vm-tools (these do fail to build with clang) as the VMware tools won't install on FreeBSD 9.0 I am sure VMware has not done any testing with this setup yet, nor do I know if they ever will. So the problem may not exist with other guest operating systems. Also of note, I was originally running under a windows 7 host PC, after the crashes, I switched to CentOS 6 on the host, with a windows Virtual machine to run the applications needing windows. The crashes still occur under CentOS, though a little less frequent than they did under windows. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB 3 / eSATA support
On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:49:11 -0500 Dean E. Weimer wrote: On 03.02.2012 21:36, RW wrote: Just in case you aren't aware, you don't necessarily need an eSATA card. You can get eSATA back-plates that plug into spare SATA connections on your motherboard. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org That the board has plenty of, how does that work with removing the drives? Does it require a reboot? AFAIK there's no difference between SATA and eSATA above the physical layer. It's just cabling and some minor voltage range changes (which are designed to work SATA to eSATA, or eSATA to eSATA). Hot-swapping is a SATA feature supported under AHCI. You probably need to switch this on in the BIOS. Some legacy OSs don't support it, so IDE is usually the default. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
USB 3 / eSATA support
I am working on setting up a Bacula backup to an external hard drive. The server I am running this on has an on-board USB 2 controller, however the external USB 3 SATA drive doc I am using is only being recognized as USB 1. It does correctly load as USB 2 or USB 3 if I move it to my windows machine which has both USB 2 and USB 3 ports. Before I spend money adding a USB 3 card to the server in order to get the external drive doc to load as USB 3, I was wondering if anyone had any good or bad things to say about FreeBSD's USB 3 support. Would I be a lot safer spending money on an eSATA card and a eSATA doc, knowing that this would give be better performance, but would prefer to not spend any more money than I have to. Or maybe someone would have an idea as to something I could tweek to get more than 1MB/s transfer speed from my existing setup, if I could get the full speed of USB2.0 this would run adequate for my needs. dmesg output for current devices information: ohci0: OHCI (generic) USB controller mem 0xfbf7f000-0xfbf7 irq 22 at device 2.0 on pci0 usbus0: OHCI (generic) USB controller on ohci0 ehci0: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller mem 0xfbf7ec00-0xfbf7ecff irq 23 at device 2.1 on pci0 usbus1: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller on ehci0 ohci1: OHCI (generic) USB controller mem 0xfbf7d000-0xfbf7dfff irq 20 at device 4.0 on pci0 usbus2: OHCI (generic) USB controller on ohci1 ehci1: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller mem 0xfbf7e800-0xfbf7e8ff irq 21 at device 4.1 on pci0 usbus3: EHCI (generic) USB 2.0 controller on ehci1 ugen0.3: vendor 0x174c at usbus0 umass0: vendor 0x174c product 0x5106, class 0/0, rev 2.10/0.01, addr 3 on usbus0 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x umass0:0:0:-1: Attached to scbus0 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 da0: WDC WD10 EARS-00Y5B1 80.0 Fixed Direct Access SCSI-0 device da0: 1.000MB/s transfers da0: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 121601C) Current machine is running a Biostar TPower N750 Motherboard, and the external drive doc is an INEO I-NA317U-Plus. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB 3 / eSATA support
On 2/3/2012 9:31 AM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: Would I be a lot safer spending money on an eSATA card and a eSATA doc, knowing that this would give be better performance, but would prefer to not spend any more money than I have to. I dont have much experience with usb3 devices, but the eSata cages I have used work very well on RELENG8 and 9. ---Mike -- --- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, m...@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB 3 / eSATA support
On 03.02.2012 09:45, Mike Tancsa wrote: On 2/3/2012 9:31 AM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: Would I be a lot safer spending money on an eSATA card and a eSATA doc, knowing that this would give be better performance, but would prefer to not spend any more money than I have to. I dont have much experience with usb3 devices, but the eSata cages I have used work very well on RELENG8 and 9. ---Mike It's Looking like eSATA is going to be my pick, to be on the safe side, I could spend the $50 on a USB 3 card, and have it not work, or spend $50 on an eSATA card and another $40 for the drive doc, and cable. If the USB card doesn't work for me then I either have to deal with additional shipping and restocking fees, or just keep the card and eat the expense. Unfortunately I live in a small town where this hardware isn't available locally, so online is my only choice. Does anyone have any experience using the SYBA Cards on FreeBSD? SYBA SD-SATA2-2E2I PCI SATA II: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003 I know this isn't anything enterprise class, but this is my home system after all, and there's a point where its cheaper to just buy all my iTunes music and Movies over again than throw hardware at a backup solution. I think I have already passed that, but there are several gigs of photos that can't be replaced, and I am trying to get something a little more portable to be taken to work unlike my current method of rsync with two machines at the house. I am using bacula instead of rsync for this, simply because my employer recently purchased a controlling interest in a small electrical engineering design firm to make sure it had priority access to get some components designed as we migrate our dieing mechanical lines into electronic. I am tasked with implementing a next to zero cost backup solution for them, and as they are Linux based on all there servers, I decided to implement a local bacula server at my house to to learn the product before setting it up for them. I am hoping to maybe sneak in some FreeBSD replacements to their Ubuntu file servers if I can (maybe FreeNAS, depending on how my tests go with installing and backing up through bacula client on it). I have already replaced their consumer firewalls with pfSense boxes running on Alix boards, which has turned out to be a huge stability and performance gain for them. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB 3 / eSATA support
On 2/3/2012 1:56 PM, Dean E. Weimer wrote: Does anyone have any experience using the SYBA Cards on FreeBSD? SYBA SD-SATA2-2E2I PCI SATA II: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003 I dont, but I have used the cards from Addonics http://www.addonics.com/products/adsa3gpx1-2em.php Cards based on the Sil3132 work fine using the ahci driver in conjunction with the siis driver. The cables they sell are of good quality too. They also ship to me in Canada and have been painless to deal with. For more density, I make use of http://www.addonics.com/products/adsa3gpx8-4e.php ---Mike -- --- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, m...@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB 3 / eSATA support
I have an two-disk external box with both USB and eSATA interface. Go with eSATA, which is better supported as a disk. I use mine as a ZFS mirror. I have a SiI3124 SATA controller which isn't recognized by the generic kernel, but works fine once I put a suitable hint in loader.conf: # for external SATA siis_load=YES I also have three USB disks configured as a ZFS RAID which I use for backups. It works OK, but I wouldn't want to depend on it from day to day. R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB 3 / eSATA support
On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:56:05 -0500 Dean E. Weimer wrote: It's Looking like eSATA is going to be my pick, to be on the safe side, I could spend the $50 on a USB 3 card, and have it not work, or spend $50 on an eSATA card and another $40 for the drive doc, and cable. Just in case you aren't aware, you don't necessarily need an eSATA card. You can get eSATA back-plates that plug into spare SATA connections on your motherboard. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USB 3 / eSATA support
On 03.02.2012 21:36, RW wrote: On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:56:05 -0500 Dean E. Weimer wrote: It's Looking like eSATA is going to be my pick, to be on the safe side, I could spend the $50 on a USB 3 card, and have it not work, or spend $50 on an eSATA card and another $40 for the drive doc, and cable. Just in case you aren't aware, you don't necessarily need an eSATA card. You can get eSATA back-plates that plug into spare SATA connections on your motherboard. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org That the board has plenty of, how does that work with removing the drives? Does it require a reboot? I think for now I am going to build FreeBSD VM on my windows box and dedicate it to running Bacula Director and Storage Daemon, I was able to get a 20MB sustained through put through the VMware USB emulation copying a file from an SFTP as I had no large files on the local system from my test FreeBSD 9 VM. Though now I don't know why I didn't think to just us dd from /dev/random to a file on the disk, will likely give that a try once my new VM is built. This will get me by performance to a workable speed until I can come up with a more permanent solution, and keep me from spending more money this month so I have a little bit left to add to my savings account. I am also looking around, and I have enough spare components to build another machine and just run it with the case open and do a shutdown and swap hard drives, but I might go broke paying my electric bill if I keep adding new PCs for everything. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
