Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Vizion wrote: On Tuesday 29 November 2005 05:05, the author virgil huston contributed to Way OT, sorry.: Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . Just check some local libraries, many of them at least at one time had readers with printers already in place. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
On Monday 28 November 2005 22:05, the author Gary Kline contributed to the dialogue on- Way OT, sorry.: Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . Two thoughts: One is to print all the pages out and then scan them. You have to find a fiche reader with a printer and it will cost. Second, and I have no idea if this will work, putting the fiche on the scanner bed and enlarging/manipulating the image prior to scanning, kind of like scanning a 35mm slide. I guess this depends on how small the fiche text is. Virgil thanks for any insights, gary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Gary Kline wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:15:06PM -0800, Vizion wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 22:05, the author Gary Kline contributed to the dialogue on- Way OT, sorry.: Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . thanks for any insights, gary Its a long time since I have handled microfiche but my guess is you will need to mount your camera onto a microfiche reader or a microscope. The resolution of a microfiche image is really high - far higher than the camera you are using so I think you may need something to enlarge the image for you to photograph. my two pennorth david Microscope; that never cross my mind. I think my pal took stuff to the main library one night and tried capturing the data from the reader. Not very successful; I don't know the details. (We are around 1200 miles apart.) Any ballpark SWAG what power lens might work here? I only touched m'fiche one time ever, so have no idea. Money is an issue since there are 400+ pages. gary Have you given any thought to using an overhead projector? Possibly a slide projector? Depends on the fiche size I'd think, but you could then make an image on a wall/screen that could be photographed. Also, I remember using my fathers extension tubes on his old Cannon to copy slides and photograph postage stamps. It was amazing the clarity I got. A small stamp could fill a 35mm frame. DAve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Gary Kline writes: Microscope; that never cross my mind. I think my pal took stuff to the main library one night and tried capturing the data from the reader. Not very successful; I don't know the details. (We are around 1200 miles apart.) Any ballpark SWAG what power lens might work here? I only touched m'fiche one time ever, so have no idea. Money is an issue since there are 400+ pages. With due respect to the last sentence, doing it yourself may not be worth the hassle. Were I in your friends position, the first thing I would do would be to go to a university or major public library and have a talk with their archiving and conversion specialist. Whether or not it is technically or economically feasible, if there is a solution to this they probably know it and can give you pointers. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
On Tuesday 29 November 2005 05:05, the author virgil huston contributed to the dialogue on- Re: Way OT, sorry.: On Monday 28 November 2005 22:05, the author Gary Kline contributed to the dialogue on- Way OT, sorry.: Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . Two thoughts: One is to print all the pages out and then scan them. You have to find a fiche reader with a printer and it will cost. Second, and I have no idea if this will work, putting the fiche on the scanner bed and enlarging/manipulating the image prior to scanning, kind of like scanning a 35mm slide. I guess this depends on how small the fiche text is. That is unlikely to work because the fiche resolution is so high - and would require a scanner with an equivalently high resolution. A camera on a standard lab microscope is probably the best way to go if you want to digitize the result. david Virgil thanks for any insights, gary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Gary Kline wrote: This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. You need a scanner that can scan film negatives. We have an epson flatbed at work that does, but there are others. You need to set up the scanner the same as you would to scan a black and white film negative, then it should all work. The better the scanner, the better the resolution you'll have. Depending on the microfiche size (ours at work are fairly small), maybe even a dedicated (film) negative scanner would work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Gary Kline wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:15:06PM -0800, Vizion wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 22:05, the author Gary Kline contributed to the dialogue on- Way OT, sorry.: Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . thanks for any insights, gary Its a long time since I have handled microfiche but my guess is you will need to mount your camera onto a microfiche reader or a microscope. The resolution of a microfiche image is really high - far higher than the camera you are using so I think you may need something to enlarge the image for you to photograph. my two pennorth david Microscope; that never cross my mind. I think my pal took stuff to the main library one night and tried capturing the data from the reader. Not very successful; I don't know the details. (We are around 1200 miles apart.) Any ballpark SWAG what power lens might work here? I only touched m'fiche one time ever, so have no idea. Money is an issue since there are 400+ pages. gary Here's several ideas: My sister has used a microfiche viewer and a digital camera to reproduce genealogical records in the past. Doesn't turn out half bad. Many libraries have microfiche readers. Some have the ability to print, but that may cost you on a per page basis. The place I used to work for subcontracted to get microfiche scanned for our clients. You should look into how much that costs before ruling it out completely. Lastly, if the book has any historical or literary significance, you might try talking to a few of the larger libraries in your area. You /may/ be able to get them to do the scanning for you in exchange for allowing them to shelve a copy or two. Later, Micah ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 08:35:10AM -0800, Micah wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:15:06PM -0800, Vizion wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 22:05, the author Gary Kline contributed to the dialogue on- Way OT, sorry.: Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . thanks for any insights, gary Its a long time since I have handled microfiche but my guess is you will need to mount your camera onto a microfiche reader or a microscope. The resolution of a microfiche image is really high - far higher than the camera you are using so I think you may need something to enlarge the image for you to photograph. my two pennorth david Microscope; that never cross my mind. I think my pal took stuff to the main library one night and tried capturing the data from the reader. Not very successful; I don't know the details. (We are around 1200 miles apart.) Any ballpark SWAG what power lens might work here? I only touched m'fiche one time ever, so have no idea. Money is an issue since there are 400+ pages. gary Here's several ideas: My sister has used a microfiche viewer and a digital camera to reproduce genealogical records in the past. Doesn't turn out half bad. Many libraries have microfiche readers. Some have the ability to print, but that may cost you on a per page basis. The place I used to work for subcontracted to get microfiche scanned for our clients. You should look into how much that costs before ruling it out completely. Lastly, if the book has any historical or literary significance, you might try talking to a few of the larger libraries in your area. You /may/ be able to get them to do the scanning for you in exchange for allowing them to shelve a copy or two. Thanks for everyone's input. I'll keep trying--or, more accurately, will keep encouraging my friend to keep checking into things. He is at a major university with a huge library complex and all the latest technology, c... . Cost is an issue--every which way you turn. The university has some kind of saving-old-books program, I think, but this book isn't on the list. There have been steep cuts in staff and programs in the past couple years, so the thinking may be: What's the deal with trying to revive a 1913 Ethics text where it's already on fiche?! There is history here with the author (who was blacklisted in 1920); with the anti-Progressive ideas among the superrich. The book itself is outstanding, IMHO as an admitted geek, but otherwise I believe. I'll keep on truckin'. Maybe in a year or two it'll be back ... after 80, 90 years. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Gary Kline writes: There have been steep cuts in staff and programs in the past couple years, so the thinking may be: What's the deal with trying to revive a 1913 Ethics text where it's already on fiche?! Here's a Hail Mary: talk to Google Books. The text is out of copyright, and thye might do it for the publicity. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Gary Kline writes: There have been steep cuts in staff and programs in the past couple years, so the thinking may be: What's the deal with trying to revive a 1913 Ethics text where it's already on fiche?! Here's a Hail Mary: talk to Google Books. The text is out of copyright, and thye might do it for the publicity. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Gary Kline wrote: Thanks for everyone's input. I'll keep trying--or, more accurately, will keep encouraging my friend to keep checking into things. He is at a major university with a huge library complex and all the latest technology, c... . Cost is an issue--every which way you turn. The university has some kind of saving-old-books program, I think, but this book isn't on the list. There have been steep cuts in staff and programs in the past couple years, so the thinking may be: What's the deal with trying to revive a 1913 Ethics text where it's already on fiche?! See if a local academic campus has a School of Library and Information Studies or an equivalent. If so, approach them (rather than the library proper) to see if an eager graduate school student can/will take on your conversion project for credit. They may have free access to the technology required and may provide free labor too, in exchange for your providing a real world work experience (a practicum or internship type effort is usually a requirement in these programs). -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Waaaaay OT, sorry.
Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . thanks for any insights, gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
On Monday 28 November 2005 22:05, the author Gary Kline contributed to the dialogue on- Way OT, sorry.: Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . thanks for any insights, gary Its a long time since I have handled microfiche but my guess is you will need to mount your camera onto a microfiche reader or a microscope. The resolution of a microfiche image is really high - far higher than the camera you are using so I think you may need something to enlarge the image for you to photograph. my two pennorth david -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Waaaaay OT, sorry.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:15:06PM -0800, Vizion wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 22:05, the author Gary Kline contributed to the dialogue on- Way OT, sorry.: Folks, This is one of my more obscure questions and involves scanning not paper but something they used to store books, magazines, and newspapers--before the computer age. It is called a microfiche (or fiche). A friend got a copy of a rare out-of-print, not-for-sale book on microfiche. We're looking for some means of scanning this film into a scanner with OCR. So far, he has tried a camera with 8G memory. No joy, the scanner sees garbage. Anybody out there ever have anything like this prob? The book is from 1913 so it is well in the public domain. I've already written Google; zero response. I want to get this book up on my site, fully HTML it so that everybody has the opportunity to ready it ... . thanks for any insights, gary Its a long time since I have handled microfiche but my guess is you will need to mount your camera onto a microfiche reader or a microscope. The resolution of a microfiche image is really high - far higher than the camera you are using so I think you may need something to enlarge the image for you to photograph. my two pennorth david Microscope; that never cross my mind. I think my pal took stuff to the main library one night and tried capturing the data from the reader. Not very successful; I don't know the details. (We are around 1200 miles apart.) Any ballpark SWAG what power lens might work here? I only touched m'fiche one time ever, so have no idea. Money is an issue since there are 400+ pages. gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
