Re: Which Sata-controller card?
Sebastian Holmqvist wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:44:12 +0100, Sebastian Holmqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:38:35 +0100, Stephan Fiebrandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastian Holmqvist wrote: Had some bad experience with my previous one: Promise SATA150 TX2Plus, so I would like some tips. Two harddrives will be attached for now, maybe more later. Alot of data transfer. I have an 5.3-can running. 3ware SATA controller cards. These are true RAID controller cards instead of the tons of ata controllers with bios extentions witch are nothing else than a softwareraid. 3ware cont. also preserve your CPU from high load as you would have with usual ATA cont. Myself, i am using 3ware now with FreeBSD since years.. only can report good experience. I also had defekt controllers from the old 6000series replaced with new 7500 series without loosing any data. Greetings, Stephan Fiebrandt ALright. Well, won't be using raid. Forgot to mention that. So feel free to suggest cheaper cards without raid :) -- Sebastian Holmqvist Webprogrammer / HL2 modder http://cae.hl2files.com Nobody? If you just need to expand your Mainboard with a SATA Controller, all you need is a poor card with a Silicon chip on it (Sil 3112 etc). I've seen cards starting at 10$. Almost all low-cost cards have this chip series, meanwhile on 5.3 it should work now without any problems. The WRITE_DMA issues should be solved and commited to 5.3. Have also a look at the 5.3 hardware list: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/hardware-i386.html#DISK. Best regards, Stephan Fiebrandt ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sata-controller card?
At 9:33 AM +0100 11/22/04, Stephan Fiebrandt wrote: If you just need to expand your Mainboard with a SATA Controller, all you need is a poor card with a Silicon chip on it (Sil 3112 etc). I've seen cards starting at 10$. Almost all low-cost cards have this chip series, meanwhile on 5.3 it should work now without any problems. The WRITE_DMA issues should be solved and commited to 5.3. Unless something happened in the past week or so, you can still have WRITE_DMA problems with the SiL 3112 if you connect a fake SATA drive to it, such as some of the Western Digital drives. These are really ATA drives with a little conversion-chip on them to implement SATA. These drives seem to work okay on more expensive SATA controllers, but I had a *lot* of headaches with one connected to a SiL-3112 controller. I suspect that the same people who are willing to live with a $10 disk controller are also going to be tempted to buy the less-expensive fake-SATA hard drives... Have also a look at the 5.3 hardware list: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/hardware-i386.html#DISK. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sata-controller card?
Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 9:33 AM +0100 11/22/04, Stephan Fiebrandt wrote: If you just need to expand your Mainboard with a SATA Controller, all you need is a poor card with a Silicon chip on it (Sil 3112 etc). I've seen cards starting at 10$. Almost all low-cost cards have this chip series, meanwhile on 5.3 it should work now without any problems. The WRITE_DMA issues should be solved and commited to 5.3. Unless something happened in the past week or so, you can still have WRITE_DMA problems with the SiL 3112 if you connect a fake SATA drive to it, such as some of the Western Digital drives. These are really ATA drives with a little conversion-chip on them to implement SATA. These drives seem to work okay on more expensive SATA controllers, but I had a *lot* of headaches with one connected to a SiL-3112 controller. I suspect that the same people who are willing to live with a $10 disk controller are also going to be tempted to buy the less-expensive fake-SATA hard drives... Have also a look at the 5.3 hardware list: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/hardware-i386.html#DISK. I've had in my test a Sil Image running on RELENG_5 cvs from last week with a Maxtor 160 SATA (sorry, don't have the model no handy atm) and it worked fine without any WRITE_DMA issues, cuz i was curious after a longer thread in freebsd-current mailinglist about WRITE_DMA problems. I also have to point out, that 5.3-R and RELENG_5 cvs are different :) maybe something got commit into it last week, to be honest, i did not follow up the changes (shame, yes i know..). Maybe my SATA disk is just not a fake-SATA. I agree that these fake-SATA and cheap Sil 3112 controller might not work proper together. But this looks like an hardware incompatibility issues than a driver malfunction. At my main mashine, i have an onboard Intel 6300ESB Controller, and had no WRITE_DMA's with any SATA disks yet. Greetings, Stephan Fiebrandt ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sata-controller card?
At 11:08 AM +0100 11/22/04, Questions wrote: Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 9:33 AM +0100 11/22/04, Stephan Fiebrandt wrote: If you just need to expand your Mainboard with a SATA Controller, all you need is a poor card with a Silicon chip on it (Sil 3112 etc). Unless something happened in the past week or so, you can still have WRITE_DMA problems with the SiL 3112 if you connect a fake SATA drive to it, such as some of the Western Digital drives. I've had in my test a Sil Image running on RELENG_5 cvs from last week with a Maxtor 160 SATA (sorry, don't have the model no handy atm) and it worked fine without any WRITE_DMA issues, cuz i was curious after a longer thread in freebsd-current mailinglist about WRITE_DMA problems. It would be interesting to know if that's a real-SATA drive. People who use a real SATA drive from Seagate have reported that they do not see any problems with the SiL 3112. So, it is easy to blame the hard drive. On the other hand, I moved my problematic hard drive from a SiL 3112 controller to a VIA 6420 SATA150 controller, and I have seen zero problems even though I am using the exact same hard drive. I also have to point out, that 5.3-R and RELENG_5 cvs are different :) maybe something got commit into it last week, to be honest, i did not follow up the changes (shame, yes i know..). Maybe my SATA disk is just not a fake-SATA. At least in my case, I had a lot of trouble completing a buildworld due to the problems I saw. If I cannot compile and install a snapshot of RELENG_5, then it doesn't much matter what has been fixed! I agree that these fake-SATA and cheap Sil 3112 controller might not work proper together. But this looks like an hardware incompatibility issues than a driver malfunction. I do not know where the real problem is, of course. But I am responding to the question that started this thread. If *I* were buying a SATA card right now, I would definitely avoid the SiL 3112. I really do not care if it is only $10. I suffered through at least 60 hours of headaches due to this SATA card combined with the fake-SATA disk. In my case it was particularly silly, because the motherboard I bought already had SATA on it, but apparently the store that built this for me did not realize that. Once I really noticed that the extra card was there, all I had to do was move the SATA cable from the cheap SATA card to the motherboard, and immediately I could do buildworlds with zero trouble. Before I moved that cable, about eight out of ten buildworld attempts failed, and two or three of those failed by panic-ing my machine. This cheap SATA controller really wasted a *lot* of my time, so there is no way I could recommend it to anyone else. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Sata-controller card?
At 11:08 AM +0100 11/22/04, Questions wrote: Garance A Drosihn wrote: Unless something happened in the past week or so, you can still have WRITE_DMA problems with the SiL 3112 if you connect a fake SATA drive to it, such as some of the Western Digital drives. ... These drives seem to work okay on more expensive SATA controllers, but I had a *lot* of headaches with one connected to a SiL-3112 controller. I suspect that the same people who are willing to live with a $10 disk controller are also going to be tempted to buy the less-expensive fake-SATA hard drives... I've had in my test a Sil Image running on RELENG_5 cvs from last week with a Maxtor 160 SATA (sorry, don't have the model no handy atm) and it worked fine without any WRITE_DMA issues, See also the recent thread on the FreeBSD-current mailing list, under the subject of: Re; List of fake vs. real SATA drives. One of the messages in that thread notes: Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 Maxtor DiamondMax10, MaXLineIII Fujitsu MHT20xxBH(2.5 inch) Any other drives (as far as I know, of course) are ATA drive with serial-parallel bridge. There are a lot of these fake-SATA drives, and the price on them is attractive compared to many of the real-SATA drives. There are some more details in that thread. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which Sata-controller card?
Had some bad experience with my previous one: Promise SATA150 TX2Plus, so I would like some tips. Two harddrives will be attached for now, maybe more later. Alot of data transfer. I have an 5.3-can running. -- Sebastian Holmqvist Webprogrammer / HL2 modder http://cae.hl2files.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
